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    • theinvisibleworm
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      These Kuma clones are a lot weaker than the prototype that Zoro faced (the prototype being the actual Shichibukai member).

      For one, there's no way that they have the original's devil fruit, and two, the original definitely would not have been blown back by Franky's attack.

      Is Hawkins a Scare Crow?

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        • Still no Garp ? Where is he ? I guess we'll see him at the end, when the SH will escape and Rayleigh will protect them from Garp.

        So still in denial are we?

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          I like Capone's ability. Oda does do a great job in making some great abilities. Having an armada living inside of him. On the other hand, we saw this first with Bobobo, though that was more jokingly. I like how silly yet serious the ability is, kind of like combining the saltiness of a fine piece of cheese with the contrasting sweetness of a grape. A delicious combination forged from two elements you wouldn't imagine going together.

          When Bo-bobo did it, it was mostly as a joke and they just got ran over a few seconds later anyway. Somehow, Capone's ability is a bit more serious.

          Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…

          For the first 18 volumes.

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            worm-he actualy TOOK it it was Luffy going Gear Second that pushed him over.

            elric-considering he said he will handle this himself and Sengoku nor Kizaru or his troops-asociates know anything about it-theres nothing denial level about it.

            So you think that Garp will let Rogers First Mate go after 20 years of loking for him cause there is anothr high ranked marine on the island who knows SQUAT about Rayleigh being there?

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              All I can say about this chapter is what Oda said….

              "KUMA EVERYWHERE?!"

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                Maybe Kuma can disassemble himself in multiple Kuma's? I wonder where the bible thing dissapears then…..

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                  worm-he actualy TOOK it it was Luffy going Gear Second that pushed him over.

                  No, that is still Franky in the panel Kuma is blown back. Luffy wasn't finished pumping up untill the panel after. Luffy still hasn't attacked the Kumabot/clone.

                  Originally Posted by Ivotas

                  What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                    So who's on grove 27, who's the person that made the blood squirt from that pirate's head on pg 10?

                    What? Failing is hard work, too.

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                      So who's on grove 27, who's the person that made the blood squirt from that pirate's head on pg 10?

                      Emm… that seems to be the power Hawkins has 😁

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                        Regarding Bebe's powers: I think everone is overcomplicating it. I'm pretty sure his Devil Fruit powers are just the ability to shrink and re-size things, and probably created a suit to store his crew members. That way he utilizes having a huge crew to back him up but with the stealth and surprise element of one person. Having his crew inside his castle like suit is just Oda taking a simple concept (shrink powers) and instilling his trademark wackiness within it.

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                          @Elric:

                          You're still at this? Talk about overcomplicating things. Just like your take on Kuma's bible.

                          @Besserwisser:

                          I said that I believe that it give more than one Kuma, it should only be one funny possible. But if I think abut how many dented Kumas body after Frankys attack the change is almost zero.

                          @Elric:

                          Seriously now come on! Personally I considered the "mystery" of the book solved the moment we found out he was shoving stuff into orbit with his paw powers. It's not that hard to figure it out:

                          You have brought up only old stuff, the same thing was said in the spoiler discussion and I believe this explanation.

                          @IdleLurker:

                          In all likelihood…. he probably just 'deflected' her off to where she said she wanted to go with his paw powers (and then 'deflected' himself to where Nami was immediately afterwards), and just made a note of it in his book.
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                          I kind of like it.🆒

                          Originally Posted by Elric

                          If there would have been even the slightest clue for that elemental stuff to be true we would be seeing it in signatures and versus threads everywhere already.

                          OK, then lets start in my signature. ![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")

                          Mihawk the “Hawk Eyes” and the invincible swordsman can cut elements.

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                            On the matter of Hawkins, it would appear that he's only got eight dolls left. And they'll deal with different damage. i.e one for internal and one for external. His question is one of whether he can take down/escape Kizaru while only taking eight hits.

                            Also, i was quite impressed that Franky could inflect damage ont eh pacifista that a weak Sanji or Zoro couldn't.

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                              @Gorlom:

                              No, that is still Franky in the panel Kuma is blown back. Luffy wasn't finished pumping up untill the panel after.

                              I agree. I am pretty sure in real-time the action of Franky was a little more surprising and quick, so Kuma attempted to take it since he had no time to dodge. And if Kuma's ability to 'teleport' is related to his Devil Fruit power, then it only makes more sense he these guys cannot dodge as efficiently; not to mention they cannot 'deflect' the attacks. If you remember correctly, Kuma deflects most of their attacks rather than simply dodging or taking the hits. @Gorlom:

                              Kumabot/clone

                              Call them what they are: the Kuma-Squad~~!

                              If you must, you may name them according to a simple numbering system. Kuma-Squad #1, Kuma-Squad #2, and so on….

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                                @Preston:

                                Regarding Bebe's powers: I think everone is overcomplicating it. I'm pretty sure his Devil Fruit powers are just the ability to shrink and re-size things, and probably created a suit to store his crew members. That way he utilizes having a huge crew to back him up but with the stealth and surprise element of one person. Having his crew inside his castle like suit is just Oda taking a simple concept (shrink powers) and instilling his trademark wackiness within it.

                                You are aware that it's not possible unless he's a stick figure right? Those rooms majestic halls that are visible through the openings are far too big to be a special suit on a normal person. there is also the fact that a door is opened in that scarf or whatever it is he has around his neck and that we can see his underlings inside his right eye.

                                Besides that shrink power seems to automatically affects anything within a certain radius from Bege.

                                Call them what they are: the Kuma-Squad~~!

                                them=plural=kuma squad
                                him=singular= ???

                                What should I call a single kuma bot/clone if not bot or clone?

                                Originally Posted by Ivotas

                                What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                  So you think that Garp will let Rogers First Mate go after 20 years of loking for him cause there is anothr high ranked marine on the island who knows SQUAT about Rayleigh being there?

                                  Actually I thought he would let him go because he wasn't looking for him in the first place.

                                  @Besserwisser:

                                  You have brought up only old stuff, the same thing was said in the spoiler discussion and I believe this explanation.

                                  Sorry, I just needed an excuse to post my stupid gif.

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                                    that chapter totally confused me

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                                      oi, what the title that catch so much space in the cover/mini arc says?

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                                        @sabret00the:

                                        On the matter of Hawkins, it would appear that he's only got eight dolls left. And they'll deal with different damage. i.e one for internal and one for external. His question is one of whether he can take down/escape Kizaru while only taking eight hits.

                                        Also, i was quite impressed that Franky could inflect damage ont eh pacifista that a weak Sanji or Zoro couldn't.

                                        so what your saying is ur surprised franky at full power could hurt kuma than a weak sanji n Zoro???

                                        also this kuma is a clone n i don't see him as n improvement without his bible n devil fruit powers

                                        dang is capogne a ship?

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                                          @sabret00the:

                                          On the matter of Hawkins, it would appear that he's only got eight dolls left.

                                          Yeah I had a friend help me translate that part since the Franky House scan was confusing. He means with only ten dolls it would be unwise to face an Admiral, in which case your theory makes more sense…...ugh. Translations.
                                          @sabret00the:

                                          Also, i was quite impressed that Franky could inflict damage on the pacifista that a weak Sanji or Zoro couldn't.

                                          Well, the real Kuma being the one with the Devil Fruit and all, it is not all that far fetched to assume he is the most advanced ~~ and the most powerful. Offensive and Defensive. So perhaps harder. Perhaps.@Gorlom:

                                          What should I call a single kuma bot/clone if not bot or clone?

                                          Kuma-Squad #1 of course!

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                                            This chapter was awseome.I especially liked Hawkin's ability.Capone's is very imaginative and I think Urouge has some sort of growth ability??Anyway Oda is obviously saving the best for last (Apoo)

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                                              I don't see why people are freaking out about peoples strength when franky blew him back. we saw his coup de vent a few times before.

                                              Once shown destroying that huge steel/iron arm ting at shipyard. First shot bent it bad, second it knocked it over and what not.

                                              Second time it was used it knocked out Zipper Mouth
                                              Now we see him shoot from decently close range direct hit in chest on Kuma (robot). He was blown back and hit the nearest tree. The tree didn't blow apart or anything, no damage as we can see. (Kizaru blew up an entire tree by accident it seems)

                                              And Kuma seems to be fine at the moment too. And what does Franky have like 4.5 liters or something of cola right. And coup de vent uses 1.5 from what i recall. So he used a 1/3 of his power and Kuma (robot) is fine. So it ain't showing he ain't super strong, neither is is showing he is super weak. Since he did send Kuma flying.

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                                                Seriously, why is Kizaru so tall? I hope the other Admiral isn't as huge as Kizaru and Aokiji.

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                                                  dang is Capone a ship?

                                                  This got me thinking, and I came to the conclusion that Capone is really a Castle that was "fed" the Daifu-Daifu no Mi. (Godfather Fruit). Yes….that must be it.

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                                                    This got me thinking, and I came to the conclusion that Capone is really a Castle that was "fed" the Daifu-Daifu no Mi. (Godfather Fruit). Yes….that must be it.

                                                    lol could be the other way round

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                                                      lol could be the other way round

                                                      Hehe. I was joking. But perhaps I should have posted it in the 'Dumb Theories' Thread

                                                      edit: Hinscher is right, along with what I mentioned on the previous page; we shouldn't be too baffled with what Franky did. I think Sanji needs to get shoe upgrades. Like harder shoes or something so he can kick things….....harder. I was going to say like a Jet Dial in the shoes, but that just wouldn't be Sanji would it...

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                                                        The Power from Hawkins is awesome. I believed that he was kind, but since he used random people as sacrifice he is devious. This attitude reminds me on Hannibal Lecter and I like him even more than before. 🆒

                                                        @Elric:

                                                        Sorry, I just needed an excuse to post my stupid gif.

                                                        It’s really a nice gif so connive over this topic. 😉

                                                        Originally Posted by Elric

                                                        If there would have been even the slightest clue for that elemental stuff to be true we would be seeing it in signatures and versus threads everywhere already.

                                                        OK, then lets start in my signature. ![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")

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                                                          Weird thing about Capone was he semed to have some sort of atmosphere around him where as soon as the cannonball exited it became Average size.My guess is that he has some sort of Castle/Fortress fruit and as soon as you enter the atmosphere you shrink to what size you'd be compared to a castle/fortress.

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                                                            Kuma-Squad #1 of course!

                                                            So one bot is a squad all by itself?

                                                            Is the original Kuma number 1 or how does that work? How do we number the rest? I didnt see any tattoos or serialnumbers on them…

                                                            Nah I'l stick to kuma bot/clone. Your way will only lead to confusion imo.

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                                                            What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                              I just want confirmation for those that are very observant.

                                                              http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/05/
                                                              Are there people in Capone's eye?

                                                              And thanks to this forum i understand Hawkin's fruit. I didn't understand until somebody here explained it.

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                                                              Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                                @Gorlom:

                                                                Your way will only lead to confusion imo.

                                                                I mean it more like in a movie. You know, you have the main villain, and then you have his Cronies. Sidekick #1, Sidekick #2, etc. They aren't important enough to have names, but they are Sidekicks….so since these guys are all part of the Kuma-Squad, they each have their own unofficial number that differentiates them (in order of appearance). If not........Chaos is order.
                                                                Damn you Joker!! Stole my ideas!!! @ultimateclima:

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                                                                  I don't know why, it is probably common assumption but Hawkins might not have a fruit. I'm actually hoping he doesn't, I'm going for it and saying all his power are some type of ancient magice from him home island or something. One non DF supernova please.

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                                                                    I just want confirmation for those that are very observant.

                                                                    http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/05/
                                                                    Are there people in Capone's eye?

                                                                    And thanks to this forum i understand Hawkin's fruit. I didn't understand until somebody here explained it.

                                                                    Seems like people are as the eye is speaking…...

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                                                                      One non DF supernova please.

                                                                      Drake is most likely the only supernova without a fruit…

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                                                                        I just want confirmation for those that are very observant.

                                                                        http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/05/
                                                                        Are there people in Capone's eye?

                                                                        And thanks to this forum i understand Hawkin's fruit. I didn't understand until somebody here explained it.

                                                                        lol thats what made me think that capone turned himself into a ship or somthing

                                                                        it reminds me of that eddy murphy movie where hes a container for true people inside

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                                                                        no Zoro is as well

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                                                                          • So, it is confirmed that Kizaru special troops are clones of Kuma ?

                                                                          • If the real Kuma is made of a special metal that even Zoro couldn't cut, clones are probably made of common iron so Nami should be able to fry him with one Thunderbold Tempo.

                                                                          No, if that were the case Coup de Vent would've put him down for good. CDV knocked over a huge steel crane in W7

                                                                          These kuma clones are probably made out of a material harder than steel too

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                                                                            About capones power, does he create all the soldiers inside him himself or is it just a real crew he assembled and who are just "living" inside him. Because if it's the first he can create an army of an unlimited amount.
                                                                            And also do you think that when someone punches capone his fist will shrink when it enters his "atmosphere", that would be very powerfull I think.

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                                                                              Think if someone Oz size had that power of Capone.

                                                                              He could house the whole One Piece world inside himself

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                                                                                I dig Hawkins ability alot! But people seem to be confused that random people suffer the effects. I think it's his crew. He even says something along the lines "Can't Take on an admiral with only a crew of 10". So he must have to prepare them first. If the preparation method doesn't require the "sacrifice's" cooperation and he could do it quickly (possibly with blood, like a certain person from Naruto coughcough) then he'd easily be a force to be reckoned with.

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                                                                                  I thought that it was the after efect of Kizaru´s atacks.

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                                                                                    I think crew is just a bad translation. The pirates that were affected were on totally different groves. I think he takes a sample from people to make voodoo dolls of them and today he only made 10.

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                                                                                        I think crew is just a bad translation. The pirates that were affected were on totally different groves. I think he takes a sample from people to make voodoo dolls of them and today he only made 10.

                                                                                        hmm I didn't notice that, makes sense to me. Well at least it's better than using your own crew. Pretty underhanded if you ask me. Could make for some very interesting situations later

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                                                                                          I seriously doubt it is his crew. Considering Hawkins is on Grove 24.

                                                                                          The first guy that dies is a pirate running on grove 27 to escape. The second is shown on the harbour. Plus Hawkins crew is shown dressing up kind of like monks/priest or something.

                                                                                          How he makes his voodoo dolls is a mystery though. Wether he just needs blood like in Naruto or if he needs to perform some ritual like Aizen

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                                                                                            I dig Hawkins ability alot! But people seem to be confused that random people suffer the effects. I think it's his crew. He even says something along the lines "Can't Take on an admiral with only a crew of 10". So he must have to prepare them first. If the preparation method doesn't require the "sacrifice's" cooperation and he could do it quickly (possibly with blood, like a certain person from Naruto coughcough) then he'd easily be a force to be reckoned with.

                                                                                            Gekko there are two things that suggests they are not hios crew.

                                                                                            1. they are at the 27th grove and the harbour respectivly while Hawkins is in grove 24
                                                                                            2. the guy at the harbour was a captain (or so I assume because of the hat.. so far I've only seen 1 of those hats per crew mostly on ppl that are obviously the captain) with his own jolly roger. and it seems the guy in groove 27 had a captain of his own with a different jolly roger on his hat.
                                                                                            3. they don't carry the cross that seems to be Hawkins symbol that is carried by those guys we know are his crewmembers.

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                                                                                            What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                                                              I thought that it was the after effect of Kizaru´s attacks.

                                                                                              No. Most likely he has to prepare the dolls by gathering something from other people. Perhaps he makes a habit of it. And he currently only has 10 left to use. (As he used two already). The guys who got ousted were on different groves.

                                                                                              edit: Looks like they already mentioned this.

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                                                                                              Drake is most likely the only supernova without a fruit…

                                                                                              Drake, Zoro, and Killer. Seemingly at least. Apoo could also be a non-fruit user.
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                                                                                              And also do you think that when someone punches Capone his fist will shrink when it enters his "atmosphere"

                                                                                              I was wondering about this myself. I mean it would make sense.

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                                                                                                By the way, what was Hawkins using to hold up the cards?
                                                                                                Straw?

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                                                                                                  that chapter totally confused me

                                                                                                  what confused you?

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                                                                                                    What makes people think that Urouge is hammer?

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                                                                                                      And also do you think that when someone punches capone his fist will shrink when it enters his "atmosphere", that would be very powerfull I think.

                                                                                                      Ohhh, I like the way you think. That certainly would make fighting Capone more interesting. Most attacks would be reduced to small pokes and scratches.

                                                                                                      To be honest, most upper tier fighters can destroy armies and armies of fodder. I'd like to see Capone's special abilities and how he deals with a strong individual who can easily dismantle his "fodder army."

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                                                                                                        What makes people think that Urouge is hammer?

                                                                                                        Think it's the monstrous growth effect…

                                                                                                        (What he really did was pull out his magic the gathering deck, took out one green and one colourless mana and tapped them for the spell.)

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                                                                                                        What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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