Shikamaru: Kakashi! THUNDERBOLT!
Kakashi: RAIKIRI! ::stabs both Hidan and Kakuzu threw the heart and sends them flying::
Hidan and Kakuzu: We're blasting off for the final time! ::they explode in a giant fireball::
Naruto Discussion!
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Hey elements been around before pokemon.
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I find it funny how after 300+ chapters of no mention, the elements are suddenly being decisive. It's like Kishimoto just ran out of ideas to finish the fights and found a convenient way. Oh well.
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Actually the elements were mentioned in the first 10 chapters. And the jounins and some of the genins have been using them the whole series.
yeah im here
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Wow, that was anti-climatic…
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Actually the elements were mentioned in the first 10 chapters. And the jounins and some of the genins have been using them the whole series.
I can't remember any "i'm fire, you're wind, you lose" moment. And i'm pretty sure that thing about each ninja having an element was never stated till Naruto find about his one.
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Never said each ninja had an element, it said each ninja had an affinity to one. Which means it is easier for them use one than the others. Like Asuma affinity was wind, but he used a fire jutsu against hidan to start things off.
This is the first time we actually see somebody train using element jutsu besides sasuke during that flashback.
And naw we never had a moment quite like this. It kind of remind me of the dialogue between Zabuzu and Kakashi. Zabs was all freaked out and asked Kakashi can he predict the future. Than Kakashi replied, Yeah I can and your future is death.
Since the beginning I thought each element had its strength and weakness.
I doubt the fight is over. I am pretty sure Hidan will die first. Kazu will be back up somehow.
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Looks like a kickass fight!!! YAY!!! But I wonder are they both dead now? And no more fights?? >_<
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Too bad he won't die just yet
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Kishi had better not kill off Kakuzu yet…he hasnt shown any of his abilities so far except the extendo-arms.
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and Lee loses his Jobber Throne in an instant
and lol at Rock < Lightning…..0.o
Kaz has Robot Punch, making him robot, making him conduct electricity
aha it all makes sense now
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Never said each ninja had an element, it said each ninja had an affinity to one. Which means it is easier for them use one than the others. Like Asuma affinity was wind, but he used a fire jutsu against hidan to start things off.
I'm sorry, but even I think this element stuff is bullshit. :< It's like he was looking for inspiratation and while rereading his old stuff, went 'Oh yeah, I can use that.'
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isn't this the 1st time Chidori (or whatever the other name is), was used as originally explained too, as a OHKO assasination technique
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Nah, i think it was explained during the Kakashi vs. Zabuza fight.
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yeah but it wasn't used as such since he was in plain sight the entire time
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I'm sorry, but even I think this element stuff is bullshit. :< It's like he was looking for inspiratation and while rereading his old stuff, went 'Oh yeah, I can use that.'
Yeah, liek someone said, it's pretty absurd how all of a sudden this stuff is relevant and matters during a battle.
HOW COME SASUKE'S CHIDORI DIDN'T KILL GAARA???? NOES
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ZOMG PLOTHOLE!!!!…...
lol at Kakashi Aim for the Horn!
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I'm not trying to be nitpicky here, but weren't Gaara's jutsus wind related? It's been awhile since I read Gaara's fights.
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Even with the retconned element issue, this manga is 10X cooler with Shikamaru + Kakashi shince they're capable. Manga needs to be renamed "Shikamaru: Shadow Warrior Chronicles".
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Yarr. Sasuke's element is weak against Naruto's. How convenient.
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Wait a second How the fuck is Earth strong against Water…...............
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Actually Sasuke is higher and lower than Naruto. Fire is better than wind. Wind is better than electricty. This doesnt make one person stronger than the next. It is just advantage in jutsus.
All the elements can be debatable in my opinion. It is just his view on the whole thing. Sarutobi vs the former hokage shows how earth can block water. I dont think it means it absolutely defeats it.
Gaara sand was actually penetrated by Sasuke's chidori during the chuunin exam. I dont think much changes. Obviously water would help tone down a fire jutsu. Earth can block water. I guess lighting can destroy earth easier. Some of these were pratical before this was even made canon. Some of them were not.
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Wait a second How the fuck is Earth strong against Water…...............
Erosion doesn't exist in Naruto.
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When I read the chapter, there was no mention of elements. Just Shikamaru being an extremely intelligent badass. The elemental cycle would also make more sense if it was Water>Fire>Wind>Earth>Lightning>Water. This was also the best Naruto chapter in ages.
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This chapter sounds as good as the Zabuza ark. The whole element thing is really corny though. That would explain though how Sasuke's chidori went through Gaara's absolute defense. Now Shikamaru's jutsu just needs to be explained.
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RAW is out and Spoiler is true
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Even without translation, this fight looks really great, and i think kakuzu is not dead: he seems too calm in the last panels.
On the other side we have Goku continuing is goddamn training with energy crap balls… please Kishimoto, give us back my fav character, Naruto, and stop this fillerish training.
I think Naruto will be even behind kakuzu and hidan in next popularity poll, if things don't change a bit!
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Naruto is an idiot. lol. Yamato told him all this and all he could think of was that his wind element will help Sasuke's element become stronger.
I smell a double jutsu to defeat Oro coming in the future.
Sasuke: My fire is not strong enough to burn him.
Naruto : Let me help. Fuujin no jutsu.
Oro: Im burning!!!!
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this script was so weridly funny that I have to post it
! page 1
! Hidan: Jesus Kakuzu! why the hell did you have to go and get captured too?
Hidan: Oi oi oi! I'm telling you this is bad dude! seriously!
Shika: Bad?
Shika: According to my calculations…
Shika: It was all over the moment I caught you guys.
! page 2
! Kakakshi: It went well!
Hidan: Bastard...
Shika: This time we caught you guys in the right order.
! page 3
! Hidan: I've remembered your face.
Hidan: Whatever you do I'm gonna ****ing kill you.
Shika: you... you're not that bright, are ya?
Hidan: Kakuzu! dodge!
! page 4
! shikamaru's calculation's fall apart!!
! 333: compatability
! Hidan: Alright!
! page 5
! Choji: ??
Ino: What happened?
Shika: When I attacked with the exploding tag...
Shika: With the smoke hiding him, he must have pushed his arm into the ground.
! page 6
! Kakuzu: You said it was all over but my ability was outside your calculation.
Kakuzu: if that's the case, get some distance and play your next hand.
Kakuzu: unlike that 'tard I'm with, I'm pretty sharp.
Kakazu: Even if you are planning every move, battles don't always go the way you planned them to.
Hidan: Kakuzu! Unlike that 'tard I'm with?! what the **** does that mean?!
Hidan: Ku
! page 7
Hidan: ****, my body is just moving...
Hidan: Kakuzu! do something!
Shika (now chouji!)
! page 8
nikudan hari sensha (rolling spiky meat tank)
! page 9
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! page 10
! Yamato: This level of power!
Naruto: A little more and I'll have it.
Naruto: with this I'll be able to catch up with Sasuke.
! page 11
! Yamato: Yeah, no doubt.
Yamato: However, be careful, Sasuke uses fire nature manipulation.
Naruto: So?
Yamato: I guess It's about time I explained the superiority of the five elements.
Naruto: Superir..what?
Yamato: yeah...well, simply put,
Yamato: The five elements, fire, water, earth, lightning, wind...
Yamato: They are connected in a chain of superiority you see.
Naruto: Yeah but, what does that mean?
Yamato: I'll explain with a diagram.
! page 12
! Yamato: The five elements are listed as such.
Yamato: so, for example, fire has a position that is superior to wind and inferior to water.
Yamato: If I put it even more simply
Yamato: Naruto, your futon jutsu will lose to Sasuke's katon jutsu. The only thing that beats katon jutsu is suiton.
Naruto: Why?
Yamato: If fire is blown by wind it burns more fiercely, but if you throw water on fire it goes out.
Yamato: So if Sasuke has a katon jutsu that is the same level as your futon jutsu and the two collide...it'll just be parried at you as one huge katon. page 13
Yamato: Anyway, look at what's near wind.
Yamato: It's true that Wind is inferior to fire but…it's superior to lightning.
Yamato: In other words, your new jutsu can defeat sasuke's raiton, the Chidori.
Yamato: Naruto, consider youself lucky that you didn't end up with "earth" as your element.
Naruto: I guess I have good compatability with Sasuke.
Yamato: Yeah, the only thing that can beat "lightning" is "wind"
Naruto: That's not what I mean...
! page 14
Naruto: to help "fire" and to be able to make it more powerful
Naruto: Only wind can do that.
Yamato: Yeah, I guess.
Chouji : what's going on?
Shika: It's just like Raido-senpai told us...
page 15
Shika: He has a way to harden his body
Shika: That must be his ability.
Kakuzu: Well spotted.
Kakuzu: you're right. physical attacks have no effect on me.
Hidan: Ok, it's about time we counter attacked. Kakuzu, give me a...
page 16-17
raikiri -burst!
Hidan: Ehhhhhh?
Kakuzu: Impossible! without me even noticing, you got behind... page 13
Yamato: Anyway, look at what's near wind.
Yamato: It's true that Wind is inferior to fire but…it's superior to lightning.
Yamato: In other words, your new jutsu can defeat sasuke's raiton, the Chidori.
Yamato: Naruto, consider youself lucky that you didn't end up with "earth" as your element.
Naruto: I guess I have good compatability with Sasuke.
Yamato: Yeah, the only thing that can beat "lightning" is "wind"
Naruto: That's not what I mean...
! page 14
Naruto: to help "fire" and to be able to make it more powerful
Naruto: Only wind can do that.
Yamato: Yeah, I guess.
Chouji : what's going on?
Shika: It's just like Raido-senpai told us...
page 15
Shika: He has a way to harden his body
Shika: That must be his ability.
Kakuzu: Well spotted.
Kakuzu: you're right. physical attacks have no effect on me.
Hidan: Ok, it's about time we counter attacked. Kakuzu, give me a...
page 16-17
raikiri -burst!
Hidan: Ehhhhhh?
Kakuzu: Impossible! without me even noticing, you got behind...
Kakashi: Your hardening jutsu…
Kakashi: When you just made that seal I noticed that you are "doton" user.
Kakuzu: you were able to see through my jutsu at that speed…
Kakuzu: and such a powerful raiton …ah, I see...
Kakuzu: You must be…
! Kakashi: Earth is weak against lightning...bad compatability.
Kakashi: Game over.
! next time: The big picture.
Kakashi: When you just made that seal I noticed that you are "doton" user.
Kakuzu: you were able to see through my jutsu at that speed…
Kakuzu: and such a powerful raiton ...ah, I see...
Kakuzu: You must be...
Kakashi: Earth is weak against lightning…bad compatability.
Kakashi: Game over.
! next time: The big picture. see what I mean
! Enemy Kakuzu uses Harden, Defense Increases
I summon you Kakashi
Kakashi uses Thunderbolt its SUPER EFFECT
Enemy Kakuzu Faints -
Indeed, it does feel quite Pokemon-ish. However, I did enjoy that dialougue between Hidan and Kakuzu.
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lol got to catch them all.
They need a naruto-pokeman parody now. And make triple use with the summoning jutsu.
Naruto is a blind friend. It is kind of sweet and sad at the same time. Naruto doesnt care if Sasuke is stronger than him, he just wants to help him. sniff
That last pic was a great pic.
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This is starting to seem like Pokemon, next we know he'll get Sasuke throwing Naruto to the battle front and saying "I choose you Naruto, Wind Rasengan attack"
And it seems Naruto still doesn't have a brain (I which Kyuubi would take over his body for good)
At least Shikamaru and Kakashi do make a good team which makes this chapter a little better
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Naruto has a brain. I think he shows his maturity in this chapter. He is not worried about defeating Sasuke. He is only concerned about helping him. He is staying focus on his mission.
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this chapter seemed so short.
so kazuku "seems" dead. if naruto is still naruto, then he's not. if he's dead after 1 attack, then it's definitely gone on the darkest side.
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> Naruto: I guess I have good compatability with Sasuke. Huh. Well that's…err... interesting...
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@Le:
Huh. Well that's…err... interesting...
The evidence is accumulating.
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Seems like there's some actual truth to this Naruto X Sasuke love affair. People are gonna have a field day with it. Here I go defending those two, and then Kishi adds something to kill my argument. LOL
On another note, has a main shonen character ever been gay? This could be something that's never been done before in shonen.
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hmm… not really, but deep down, Naruto is a shonen manga that wants to be shoujo.
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I'm stupid, I assumed that there wasn't a new chapter of Naruto last week, and therefore read last week's chapter, thinking it was this week's.
If Kakuzu weren't an Akatsuki member, I'd probably describe that spoiler as pwned. He could be alive or dead, as long as the fight ends up being coherent and interesting, I have very few complaints.
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I'll be pretty annoyed if Kakuzu dies, since he and Hidan have been two of the sole interesting things about the time skip, and he's ended up being my favorite Akatsuki member.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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After reading the whole chapter I get the felling the ending of Naruto will be Naruto and Sasuke holding hands and they'll say "finally we are together again", Sakura is left behind in the shadows with a disbelieve face
I know Naruto was a brain, but it seems now it's Naruto's turn for Sasuke this and Sasuke that (is Naruto replacing Sakura in this field ?)
What I really want is to see more Kyuubi action and know more about it (and eventually Kyuubi taking over Naruto's body)
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well after reading the latest chapter.. this is how i think Hidan will die… if he does that is...
*spiolers maybe
well.. Hidan is supposedly immortal... but if his curse is used on himself... i reckon he would die.. Shika has him binded and Kakazu juz got pwned
so all Shika hasta do is make Hidan cut himself drink his blood and perform the ritual..
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I know Naruto was a brain
Wow. never knew that.
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I always thought that Fire was stronger than Wind. I mean granted that a tornado would probably blow away a medium to big-sized fire (forest fire maybe), but in terms of this near-even strength Sasuke should have the advantage in this "element" game.
Also when the hell was lightning ever the superior to earth? Isn't earth considered an insulator? I'm pratically clueless in all fields of science so can someone clue me in.
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No you were right. Kishimoto's just trying to appear unique with the elements thing.
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Kishimoto should have probably said that even though earth is strong against lightning, a concentrated burst of lightning can penetrate through anything (ala Gash Bell).
That's one thing I never got in the Luffy/Eneru fight. Eneru could have easily burned Luffy's body to nothing by firing laser-type lightning bolts using his finger or something.
I guess that's shounen for you, just doing what you have to do to advance the story.
But for this chapter, the lightning vs. earth thing aside. The final shot with Kakashi piercing whatever his name is was pretty awesome. Best freakin artwork in awhile.
Comment on Naruto's intelligence…..... it has to be freakin zero. I mean for a ninja to not know why wind + fire equals bad and water + fire equals good is practically retarded!!!!!! Even Gon, Luffy, and Goku are smarter than this blond dud!!!
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That's one thing I never got in the Luffy/Eneru fight. Eneru could have easily burned Luffy's body to nothing by firing laser-type lightning bolts using his finger or something.
It's Devil Fruit "magic" so it's permittable; we know nothing about how Luffy's body structure was changed after eating his fruit. When he used Gear 3, we found out; he's got hollow bones.
That are connected to his lungs. Apparently. >.>;
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However, this...Kishimoto's applying a whole new ruleset to Naruto while pretending it was always there. It's retroactive bullcrack, and reminds me too much of Pokemon. Not that Pokemon sucks, but, Naruto is supposed to be better.
Comment on Naruto's intelligence…..... it has to be freakin zero. I mean for a ninja to not know why wind + fire equals bad and water + fire equals good is practically retarded!!!!!! Even Gon, Luffy, and Goku are smarter than this blond dud!!!
Goku is pretty dang smart; if he got into the academic game he'd probably be an above average if not excellent student. Not a scholar like Gohan but he'd do really well; people think he's thick because, quite simply, he's uncultured.
Luffy is the genuine deal, though; dumb as a rock. But he's a good fighter, so he doesn't need intelligence.
Naruto is supposed to be smarter than either of them since he's getting schooling, but empirical evidence cites him as far dumber than we would have thought.
So,
Goku > Naruto > Luffy
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we should find someone to read through the manga again to check this elemental crap
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Luffy is the genuine deal, though; dumb as a rock. But he's a good fighter, so he doesn't need intelligence.
I don't know about that, I mean if he was truly that stupid then he wouldn't have been able to defeat true geniuses like Kuro and Crocodile. In the fight against Crocodile he figured out that liquids was Crocodile's weakness.
I highly doubt that Naruto would have been able to figure that out. He probably would have just used Kage Bunshin and Ransengan over and over.
Luffy might be completely stupid in the worldly and social sense but dang at least he would be able to figure out the complexities of battle. I mean for a ninja, Naruto completely fails. Not even knowing why water trumps fire….....
IMO, Goku > Luffy >>>>>> Naruto.
I mean comparing Luffy to Naruto. Luffy who's able to come up with pratically new uses for his power in every battle, and two new battle modes in a few weeks. Naruto, who after 3 years of traveling with a super-prodigy like Jiraiya is practically the same idiot who knows less than your basic genin and is still using the same two attacks over and over and is only now coming up with a single new attack which will undoubtly get spammed to death.
