you know what taily, fuck right off. in order for me to answer you, i gotta copy shit out. learn to use a forum if you want to debate and what's worse is that the points you're trying to make are fucking weak.
Oh shut up and get over yourself. I make a post calmly voiceing my opinions and you pour shit on me, what did you expect?
@Mr.:
Was it ever stated that Aokiji was really the strongest admiral? I do remember something about him being the best fighter in the marines, but I'm not sure.
It was stated that he is the strongest in the Marine headquarters. Because Kizaru comes from there, it is stated that Aokiji is stronger than him.
-.- so Oda will let Sanji sit down as back up with the rest and just gives him some fodder opponents.
So we have to say that Oda has to create only 2 powerful opponents every arc not 3 like in every damn arc for now. (Expect Skypia)
If Kizaru is a lot weaker than the other 2 powerful opponents, it may be (Sorry for this, but for me, in Thriller Bark, I could see that Sanji isn’t equal to the top 2, anyhow Sanji is really strong).
Further I think Sanji would have a very big business and makes with this a critical damage to the marine. So he will be a really important Person, even in the end. I hope Oda make one amaze setting for Sanji, once they fight the big shots, especially when it is the Finale, also the last big fight.
We don't know that it went through him. We know that to the guy who shot him, who is likely not ever seen people this strong, it seemed like it did. He could be really fast. CP9 probably could have dodged bullets. There's probably paramecia fruits that could be immune to being shot too.
Well, he didn't dodge it. Look closely here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/15/
The back of his head is smoking. He may or may not be a logia, but we at least know he was hit and did not dodge the bullet.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
Yeah, we do know that much.
However, at this point in the story, it could be just about anything that caused that to happen. We have somebody can make a giant paw-shaped PAIN AGONY BALLOON with his SQUISHY MEATBALL PALMS, so.
Point taken. It makes more sense to me to think of Kuma's fruit as an air pocket (pad) fruit with which he can create giant air pressure bombs, absorb blows via cushioning, and shoot air pockets at people. Needless to say, it's a very bizarre power.
The thing is that several people ( I think you pointed it out, Gohn) have noticed him making a "Pika" sound effect, So a reflection or light based DF would be possible. Or, he could simply be using some admiral-level form of Soru or some type of rapid movement.
I really don't think the admirals were meant for Luffy (or any of the Strawhats, for that matter) to actually fight, though. I mean, Roger spent his entire career on the run from Garp. No one has said that Roger and Garp fought and Garp lost, only that Garp always failed to capture him, so there should be no reason for Luffy to do the same.
Also, remember when Garp was sliced by Morgan and didn't even wake up? This could be Kizaru doing the same: not reacting to a shot in the head.
@Fire Fist:
Well, he didn't dodge it. Look closely here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/15/
The back of his head is smoking. He may or may not be a logia, but we at least know he was hit and did not dodge the bullet.
could it be tekkai?
Well unless you ignore the fact that he wants to be a world renowned infamous pirate who's feared by the marines.
if ur talking about sanji chat to kuma then fair enough
but im talking about his number 1 goal wish is to find the all blue or watever
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if ur talking about sanji chat to kuma then fair enough
but im talking about his number 1 goal wish is to find the all blue or watever
I think we all acknowledge his dream to find all blue, however he's already been more than willing to put that second up until now. while it's his number one dream and all, in terms of proactive-ness, he's done more to work towards his secondary dream (of being a world renowned feared pirate), than he has to find All Blue. Though that's beside the point, the point is that
PS, is it just me or MangaHelpers not working?
Miracles doesn't have any arguments at all. Trolling around like that isn't really smart. Maybe that you like acting like that? …
Hinsher base his arguments on what Luffy said and did.
You have no idea what your talking about, none of you do.
Crap people, I am wondering if any of you are actually reading One Piece.
Thanks for proveing my point about you randomly flinging internet slang at people in order to look cool.
Haha you're so right, there are definitely rules to arguing on the internet and "don't say troll or you're trying to look cool" is definitely one of them, and "if you try to look cool then your argument is wrong" is another one, and saying "troll" is very cool and thousands of attractive women will sleep with you just for uttering the word.
God you guys, "monster trio" is a nickname, don't be so anal about it.
also:
@Fire Fist:
Well, he didn't dodge it. Look closely here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/15/
The back of his head is smoking. He may or may not be a logia, but we at least know he was hit and did not dodge the bullet.
Good point, I didn't notice that. Light doesn't make smoke when a bullet passes through it though, so a light logia seems unlikely.
1. About Robin being so strong. She is limited against physical stron opponents. Lokk at TB against Jigoro… Se has no chance even if Jigiro was a lot weaker than Zoro.
2. Cuz of Sanji's dream he can't be strong as Luffy and Zoro.
Look @ Raileigh. He is strong as hell and was second in the crew and I doubt that his dream has anything to do of being the strongest swordsmen or something else. Same goes for Ace or Ben.
I think we all acknowledge his dream to find all blue, however he's already been more than willing to put that second up until now. while it's his number one dream and all, in terms of proactive-ness, he's done more to work towards his secondary dream (of being a world renowned feared pirate), than he has to find All Blue. Though that's beside the point, the point is that
- There's nothing wrong with having more than one dream
- All because you want to cook doesn't mean you can't fight with gusto
- Some of this county's biggest yobs and hooligans works in and around Canary Wharf
PS, is it just me or MangaHelpers not working?
well mangahelpers has been on and off so who knows wats going on
yea i do see what you mean but really its just that i've not remembered up until kuma vs Zoro when sanjis ever said he would be the most feared so i just assumed he meant to just to get kumas attention on him and not sanji
but to his main dream of the all blue he has no reason to be a fighter to gain that dream but maybe hes kept himself up in strength to protect the women most dear to him on the ship
then after that becoming the most feared.
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kishido right bout robin
watching her fight Zoros zombie i realised now that longs gone the day where she was a huge threat to him. Seems like Zoro would easily out stength her when it came to her clutches. Plus she can't handle any of his flying sword techniques
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I don't think people should underestimate Sanji. He said he would be the man most feared by Marines "Black Leg Sanji", so I think he should defeat a few strong Marine opponents once in a while. While an Admiral might be pushing it at his current level, never say never.
well mangahelpers has been on and off so who knows wats going on
yea i do see what you mean but really its just that i've not remembered up until kuma vs Zoro when sanjis ever said he would be the most feared so i just assumed he meant to just to get kumas attention on him and not sanji
but to his main dream of the all blue he has no reason to be a fighter to gain that dream but maybe hes kept himself up in strength to protect the women most dear to him on the ship
then after that becoming the most feared.
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kishido right bout robin
watching her fight Zoros zombie i realised now that longs gone the day where she was a huge threat to him. Seems like Zoro would easily out stength her when it came to her clutches. Plus she can't handle any of his flying sword techniques
With Sanji's dream, you have to remember that, as part of his dream he had to aspire to be stronger than Zeff and be willing to conquer/explore the waters Zeff couldn't. In order to find All Blue, he had to be strong enough to open that route for himself. I believe that being a strong fighter is a fundamental part of finding a mythical ocean rumoured to be hidden somewhere in the New World where no normal civilians could access.
I think that's why he was able to stand up to Kuma and tell him the truth about his future and it's also why Zoro could trust the crew under Sanji's protection. We all know (or at least me and Zoro know) that Sanji will continue to grow as it's vital for his dream and ultimately his loss could greatly upset the balance of the team.
kishido right bout robin
watching her fight Zoros zombie i realised now that longs gone the day where she was a huge threat to him. Seems like Zoro would easily out stength her when it came to her clutches. Plus she can't handle any of his flying sword techniques
The question is though if Jigorouh managed to break her hold because he doesn't feel pain..
If her grappeling is intended to inflict pain and use their own strenght against themselves she can take on a lot stronger opponents. But zombies will have an unfair advantage over her.
The question is though if Jigorouh managed to break her hold because he doesn't feel pain..
If her grappeling is intended to inflict pain and use their own strenght against themselves she can take on a lot stronger opponents. But zombies will have an unfair advantage over her.
thing is Zoro is far stronger than her strength wise and ifm yea she tried cause him pain say break his arm or whatever wouldn't he break out before she could?
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@sab
i never thought of it from that aspect and i guess thats a fair point like how luffy trust Zoro to do his bit to protect the crew when hes not around
Sorry I just don't see this, Zoro's goal is to become the best swordsmen i.e to surpass Mihawk. That fact alone practically disproves this theory.
Whether or not the SH's fight another Admiral or Aokiji again is another matter entirely, but it's quite doubtful that the three Admirals are the "goals" of the Luffy and co.
3 Admirals=Goals to surpass
Wrong! 
@Yonkou#3:
3 Admirals=Goals to surpass
Wrong!
well if luffy wants to be the most free man on the sea then he must be stronger than all of these guys so they can't stop him
so it may not be luffys direct goal but he will do it either way
3 Admirals=I still don't understand the point of this thread.
Kizaru kicks stuff? idk idk idk idk. Seems to be a logia to me. He might just like kicking? Or perhaps he was stretching his legs. "Man, I really overdid it there" - He pulled a muscle?
Aoikiji is a logia therefore Zoro's enemy??? Eh!?!?? Can't anyone cut through a logia easily? Just doesn't do anything. Unless you mean….like....cut them, but have something happen. That would just be weird. And even still, all three could be logia's.
Akainu vs. Luffy? idk idk idk idk idk idk idk idk. Whatever. Weird thread.
I say it will be Akainu vs Smoker in the end. Absolute Justice vs Personal Justice. Smoker will fight in order to keep the Strawhats alive because he knows that he is the only one that can defeat the Bloodthirsty Blackbeard. Yo Ho Ho!!!!
Guess I wasn't clear with my original post. I didn't mean that the 3 Admirals will become their "true" goals. Just a stepping stone in their growth.
For example, Zoro when he fought Mr. 1, originally he didn't think about being able to cut steel, he just wanted to be the best swordsman, but in order to become a stronger swordsman he made it his goal to learn how to cut steel. So the situation with Aokiji, its true he has no goal of defeating the admiral, but in the future if he ends up in a fight against him, than in order to protect his friends and become a stronger swordsman he will make it his goal to be able to cut a logia user and harm them with a sword.
As for Sanji, Kizaru seems to use his legs as a weapon judging from the latest chapter AND he seems pretty reckless attacking without thinking or what not. So if he's like that when he meest the SH and ends up attacking lets say Nami or Robin, than Sanji would want to protect the girls and thus puts his kicking skills to the test.
And as for luffy and Akainu don't know since we haven't seen the 3rd Admiral…
@Salamander:
Guess I wasn't clear with my original post. I didn't mean that the 3 Admirals will become their "true" goals. Just a stepping stone in their growth.
For example, Zoro when he fought Mr. 1, originally he didn't think about being able to cut steel, he just wanted to be the best swordsman, but in order to become a stronger swordsman he made it his goal to learn how to cut steel. So the situation with Aokiji, its true he has no goal of defeating the admiral, but in the future if he ends up in a fight against him, than in order to protect his friends and become a stronger swordsman he will make it his goal to be able to cut a logia user and harm them with a sword.
As for Sanji, Kizaru seems to use his legs as a weapon judging from the latest chapter AND he seems pretty reckless attacking without thinking or what not. So if he's like that when he meest the SH and ends up attacking lets say Nami or Robin, than Sanji would want to protect the girls and thus puts his kicking skills to the test.
And as for luffy and Akainu don't know since we haven't seen the 3rd Admiral…
Why didn't he get that idea when up against Eneru? He just kinda swiped at him and Eneru phased into lightning then proceded to zap his ass till he passed out. Admirals are like stepping stones but its to test all the rookies survival skills, not just the top 3 SH's individual powers.
AoKiji had no real intention to bring them in and Kizaru is half-assing it right now, as well as acting a little goofy. Akainu wil be the one who will go on an all out hunt for who ever with no intention of asking questions, taking prisoners, or worrying about innocent people getting caught up in the crossfire or helping them with their problems. This will of course piss his targets off(probably X&SH pirates, maybe smoker like Zkaiser said) and they'll actually try to take him on instead of running for their lives.
I doubt the SH will ever get into a hostile battle with AoKiji (excluding a possible AoKiji testing their progress match) and if they did it wouldn't be Zoro taking him on.
3 Admirals=I still don't understand the point of this thread.
Kizaru kicks stuff? idk idk idk idk. Seems to be a logia to me. He might just like kicking? Or perhaps he was stretching his legs. "Man, I really overdid it there" - He pulled a muscle?
Aoikiji is a logia therefore Zoro's enemy??? Eh!?!?? Can't anyone cut through a logia easily? Just doesn't do anything. Unless you mean….like....cut them, but have something happen. That would just be weird. And even still, all three could be logia's.
Akainu vs. Luffy? idk idk idk idk idk idk idk idk. Whatever. Weird thread.
This post just made my brain explode. Either you're insane or a god.
On topic:
Garp spent his whole career chasing Roger and they never actually fought. I think the Admirals are there to show the power of the WG, but Luffy doesn't necessarily have to fight all or any of them. There's other ways to beat or surpass people.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@Fire Fist:
This post just made my brain explode. Either you're insane or a god.
I don't even know~!!!
_O
edit: I still think it is too early to say that Kizaru kicks to fight. I mean, I like soccer and have kicked people in the nuts before, but I still prefer killing people with guns…..............wait, what?
@Salamander:
dunno….but the spoilers for 508 says that i am not supposed to say anything about the spoilers outside the spoiler thread.
Yes, you are right, you aren't supposed to.
edit: Hey, they deleted his post and now it looks like I double posted =(
Well it is possible for zoro and sanji to get even more powerful and defeat admirals remember they are only human so there potential could be limitless.
And luffy is'nt out to fight anyone he only wants to be pirate king but he would have to be as powerful as an admirable if he wanted to pursue his dream.
Also if you think that sanji and zoro would never eat a devils fruit you should go back to the chapter with kuma and they were willing to give there life to save luffy so they would surely eat a devils fruit if needed.
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They are indeed awesome one thing i love about oda is his inventiveness just the shear amount of original characters is mind boogleing.
You have no idea what your talking about, none of you do.
Crap people, I am wondering if any of you are actually reading One Piece.
Funny, you sound like someone who thinks the world is wrong, while you're right…. what is that called again? Oh yea, a crazyperson. xD
Just listen to yourself yo. You said the exact same thing I said after I said it, but made it sound like it's about being the best.
"Being the best happens to be on the way to his goal."
"His goal happens to have being the best on the way"
Same thing but I guess there's diffrent takes.
But I still believe that because One Piece, instead of focusing on training montages and fighting each battle for a title, is different because there's none of that. They mysteriously get stronger and fight for survival. This let's us focus more on the adventure and the actual morals of the characters. Being king of the pirates makes you the best sure. But after what Luffy just said, you can't honestly say Luffy wants to be king to be the best. Please think about it before you respond again because I don't check on this forum as often as I want to.
The beautiful thing is, with the introduction of the supernova, the SHs don't have to beat every opponent now! For all we know one of these supernova has a history and a big fight with an admiral some time down the road.
While I see the logic, 3 SHs and 3 admirals, it doesn't mean that each of those guys are meant for Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji respectively.
I believe White Beard shall rip one of the admirals in half, then eat him, and then Coby will become the new admiral in a (relatively) short period of time.
