In 506 Rayliegh mentions that he was good friends with Hachi before he joined the "sunny pirate gang". At first i thought he was just being a forgetful old man who was actually refering to Arlong's crew but then i remembered Arlongs crew all have the same sun tatoo somewhere on them. Could it be that he was serious that that was the name of the crew Hachi joined? If so it's definetly Jinbei's old crew.
Jinbei's crew= the sunny pirate gang
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sounds like it. also if that was the name of the pirates then jimbei is probably not that bad of a guy.
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^You mean like the Heart Pirates or Buggy the Clown?
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Aahahahaha, very good point.
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What is with this thread? It's stated in the manga in chapter 506 that he was part of the Sunny Pirate Gang and Sanji confirms that it's Arlong's crew.
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Well if i'm right then Sanji wouldn't have known about the Sunny pirates and would've just assumed Arlong was Hachi's first and only captain.
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If Hachi was in Jimbei's crew then maybe, just maybe, we may have a friendly encounter with a Shichibukai
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What is with this thread? It's stated in the manga in chapter 506 that he was part of the Sunny Pirate Gang and Sanji confirms that it's Arlong's crew.
I take that as the classic case of the characters having not enough information to know the real deal. I mean, if you would ask Luffy about the smiley symbol then I'm sure he'd say that this is Bellamy's symbol and that everyone who follows it is a member of the Bellamy Pirates. But in the end it really is Doflamingo's symbol, while Bellamy's is that with the tongue and the lips.
And the same phenomenon is IMO the reason for Sanji's statement. He only saw the sun used by Arlong Pirates, so it's natural he thinks that this is the entire crews symbol. However Arlongs symbol is actually that what Nami had on her shoulder. The sun is probably to Arlong what the smiley is to Bellamy.
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Or Sanji could have assumed that he meant the Arlong pirates because that's the pirate crew Hachan was in?
Did Sanji hear when Yosaku told them about Arlong?
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Yosaku told Luffy and Sanji all about Jinbei and how he used to be the captain in the Arlong pirates.
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Easy:
All of Arlongs crew were in Jinbeis crew, all have the "Sunny" emblem, but Arlongs flag is the shark-skull…. this means a former crew of the fishmen has to have the sunny emblem as a symbol... which closes the circle to Jinbei.Where is the problem? Sanji's comment was a unaswered question.. "Arlong?" How can anybody interpret this as Alrongs symbol with all we know? o_O
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I stand corected.Good job.
But-hmm.I wonder in which Milenium we will see HIM.
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Jimbei's crew was disbanded after he became a shitchibukai. It was divided in 4 groups. One of these groups went to East Blue, becaming the Arlong Pirates.
"Now I'm living out here on the beach, but those seagulls are still out of reach."
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I though they only divided into two groups?
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@Eat:
Jimbei's crew was disbanded after he became a shitchibukai. It was divided in 4 groups. One of these groups went to East Blue, becaming the Arlong Pirates.
No it was not. that is just Fan speculation rumors.
The only thing we know is that Arlong split with Jinbei and went to east blue.Where did you get 4 groups from?
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Where did you get 4 groups from?
A group going to East, West, North and South Blue sounds nice.
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Yes. Generally you should post that it is a theory.
It could have worked in the "theories that doesn't deserve their own thread"
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I take that as the classic case of the characters having not enough information to know the real deal. I mean, if you would ask Luffy about the smiley symbol then I'm sure he'd say that this is Bellamy's symbol and that everyone who follows it is a member of the Bellamy Pirates. But in the end it really is Doflamingo's symbol, while Bellamy's is that with the tongue and the lips.
And the same phenomenon is IMO the reason for Sanji's statement. He only saw the sun used by Arlong Pirates, so it's natural he thinks that this is the entire crews symbol. However Arlongs symbol is actually that what Nami had on her shoulder. The sun is probably to Arlong what the smiley is to Bellamy.
I agree.
@Power:If Hachi was in Jimbei's crew then maybe, just maybe, we may have a friendly encounter with a Shichibukai
I certainly hope not. With the bad history between humans and Fishmen, I expect Jinbeh to lead some type of Fishmen/Mermaid Black Panthers Group, and with all the Discrimination against Fishmen and Mermaids I don't think Jinbeh will be trusting of Humans. I also think that Jinbeh's role in joining of the Seven Armed Sea's, has something to do with the World Governments treaty with Fishman Island.
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Wow, so Jimbei could be really old. If i'm not wrong Tom-san had the sun mark also.
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uh-I dont think so .
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No it was not. that is just Fan speculation rumors.
The only thing we know is that Arlong split with Jinbei and went to east blue.Where did you get 4 groups from?
Yosaku: In exchange for Jinbeh's participation in the Seven Armed Seas,"
he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue.It's implied.
And isn't Arlong's crew simply named the "Arlong Pirates"? Not to mention the symbol he uses is different, while we've seen plenty of Fishmen such as Tom have the sun tattoo
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Wow, so Jimbei could be really old. If i'm not wrong Tom-san had the sun mark also.
Well I really don't think the Seven Armed Seas Date back 200 year ago but, I was thinking more along the lines of Jinbeh's participation in the sevsn armed seas as a attempt to reinforce the treaty, instead of running into a losing battle by starting a war with the whole world, Maybe thats why Arlong and Jinbeh split up.
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Its not implied,you just see something more in a fan translation.
Moria has a crew,a pirate flag,a pirate ship
BB has a crew and he didnt say anything about loosing it.So there.
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Yosaku: In exchange for Jinbei's participation in the Seven Armed Seas,"
he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue.It's implied.
Really? I could have sworn he said they just split…
My bad.
Lobo. What Yosaku says concerning Jinbei has nothing to do with the other warlords. This isn't the rumor that a shichibukai must leave his crew. This is just Jinbei's particular case.
Yosaku isn't particularly uptodate so the information he has might or might not be true but right now we are just talking about the split between arlong and Jinbei. Don't drag Moria or BB into this.What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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We really don't know much about the Jimbei Pirates; it turns out that most of Oda's pirate group names take after their captain, with only a few other exceptions. Even the Straw Hats have been called the "Luffy Pirates" from time to time, and Roger's crew which was long thought to be the "Gold Pirates" was just Roger Pirates.
I never heard the Arlong Pirate Gang called "sunny" before, and Raleigh would know Jimbei if he's as legendary a Fishman as Johnny and Yosaku make him out to be. I'd say Melee's idea has a lot of merit, especially since we've seen the sun tattoo on other Fishman as well.
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I certainly hope not. With the bad history between humans and Fishmen, I expect Jinbeh to lead some type of Fishmen/Mermaid Black Panthers Group, and with all the Discrimination against Fishmen and Mermaids I don't think Jinbeh will be trusting of Humans. I also think that Jinbeh's role in joining of the Seven Armed Sea's, has something to do with the World Governments treaty with Fishman Island.
So wouldn't it make sense for him to like human beings who helped a fishman even though he was partly responsible(he's the one who picked up the map in Bellemeres pocket) for some harm that came to them? Him helping the SH(especially Nami&Luffy) for what they did for Hachi&Caimie is a lot more interesting than him being just another roadblock in Luffy's way.
Why do you want to see the typical "OH I hate people, all of them are the same", clique which makes him a hypocrite no better than humans who hate fishman purely because of Arlong's actions. With a name like the Sunny pirates he may be the complete opposite of Arlong and be trying to help relations with all people. Fishman abolitionists running an underwater railroad seems like it would count as piracy.
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The symbol definitely means something; Hachi went to lengths to cover it up while on Sabaody. It probably does symbolize the Sunny Pirates.
For the record, MT, there's a lot more pirates than you think not named after their Captain:
1. Kuroneko Pirates: Yes, his name was Kuro, but the pirate's name means "Black Cat Pirates"
2. Smiles Pirates: Doflamingo's crew/operations
3. Rolling Pirates: Laura's Crew
4. Rumbar Pirates: Yorki/Brooke's Crew
5. Some of the Supernovas: Apoo, Law, Capone and Urogue all have unique names for their pirate crews.
6. Tulip Pirates: Guys that Fullbody fought in the cover-story
Can't think of any others, but you get the idea.
Here's a big question, though: Does it say anywhere in the databooks the average lifespan of a Gyojin? I know Giants can live to about 300-400 years old, but it's never been said how old Gyojin can live in One Piece in the manga. Do the books shed some light on this?
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So wouldn't it make sense for him to like human beings who helped a fishman even though he was partly responsible(he's the one who picked up the map in Bellemeres pocket) for some harm that came to them? Him helping the SH(especially Nami&Luffy) for what they did for Hachi&Caimie is a lot more interesting than him being just another roadblock in Luffy's way.
Good point, If thats what you would like to see, you are free to hope to see it.:) IMO I don't think Jinbeh will look at Luffy and the SH crew as best buds just coz the SH helped out Hachi and Caimie. He may give Luffy his thanks, and just leave it at that, and in some twist end up as a roadblock. Heck he is one of the Seven Armed Seas, in shorts his Job is to be a road block for Pirates.
Why do you want to see the typical "OH I hate people, all of them are the same" clique which makes him a hypocrite no better than humans who hate fishman purely because of Arlong's actions. With a name like the Sunny pirates he may be the complete opposite of Arlong and be trying to help relations with all people. Fishman abolitionists running an underwater railroad seems like it would count as piracy
I never said Jinbeh hates all Humans, not being trusting of them, and hating them is too different things. Yes, your right he would like humans who help his kind out. Thats why I said he may lead some type of group like the Black Panthers, not like Arlongs Crew and I never said I want him to be like Arlong. Ive even said Jinbeh's participation in the seven armed seas was an attempt to reinforce the treaty between Fishmen island and the WG to put an end to the Fishmen hate. That does not sound like something Arlong would do, The Fish in my head I'm describing and Arlong don't sound like the same character.
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I actually rather like for Jinbeh to be a dirty bastard who reqruits kids for his troops since they are easier to manipulate. You know, like many street gangs screw around with the futures of kids. I'd like something like that. Could be a nice twist of how Hachi and his childhood friends went down that path.
Furthermore I'd like to refresh one of my guesses from years ago. The chance still exist that the entire crap Arlong did at East Blue was an order of Jinbeh. We know that the Shichibukai hide their true goals, so making it seem as if Arlong left the crew and do his own thing would fit in that pattern. If that's the case then the other Blue's might have their own "Arlongs" that "seperated" from Jinbeh. Just throwing that one in.^^
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So Jinibei hacchi was part of Jinbei's crew. cool.Jinibe pbly had divisions like Whitebeard and Arlong was a Division captain and when he split he took his Division with him.
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if you would ask Luffy about the smiley symbol then I'm sure he'd say that this is Bellamy's symbol
luffy will NOT remember something like that from so long ago and so obscure and small and not important he has a hard time enough with names so come on ,get real.
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I doubt that Hacchan was in the crew of Jimbei.
Choo and Kuromi were friends of Hacchan in the childhood and perhaps the Sunny Pirate Gang was composed by these three without Arlong.
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Arlong has the sun tattoo on his chest, so he must have been in the gang aswell.
Edit: On One Manga the trans say "Pirates of the Sun", not Sunny, which one is the right texts? or should I just wait for Stephen site to update.
Also Silvers says him and Hachi got along good until he joined the Sun/sunny Pirate crew or gang? So If Jinbeh is the leader of the Sunny or sun Pirates, then they could have fought Gold Rogers crew or been one of the Few Pirate crews who been around since those days.
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the right one is stephens one. trust me.
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Furthermore I'd like to refresh one of my guesses from years ago. The chance still exist that the entire crap Arlong did at East Blue was an order of Jinbeh. We know that the Shichibukai hide their true goals, so making it seem as if Arlong left the crew and do his own thing would fit in that pattern. If that's the case then the other Blue's might have their own "Arlongs" that "seperated" from Jinbeh. Just throwing that one in.^^
Frankly, I'd say it's probably more likely that Arlong saw Jinbei signing on as a Shichibukai, in essence agreeing to work for a government that hates and enslaves Fishmen, as selling out, and so broke off with a number of Jinbei's crewmen to go off and do his own thing, by let's say… enslaving an island of normal humans.
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Frankly, I'd say it's probably more likely that Arlong saw Jinbei signing on as a Shichibukai, in essence agreeing to work for a government that hates and enslaves Fishmen, as selling out, and so broke off with a number of Jinbei's crewmen to go off and do his own thing, by let's say… enslaving an island of normal humans.
Of course that's more likely. I just throw in an idea about possible secret plotting (which seems to be popular amongst the Shichibukai). Perhaps I'm just trying to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Jinbeh turns out to have had his fingers involved in everything.
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i doubt Tom was part of Jinbei's crew or the Sunny Pirates (if they're the same crew as Jinbei). Why? Because wasn't he the one who built Roger's ship? Why would he build a ship for another pirate crew rather than his own?
I think the sun mark is just a tribal mark for fishmen. Like different tribe has different markings…....but who knows just my speculations..
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@Salamander:
i doubt Tom was part of Jinbei's crew or the Sunny Pirates (if they're the same crew as Jinbei). Why? Because wasn't he the one who built Roger's ship? Why would he build a ship for another pirate crew rather than his own?
Erm, perhaps because he was a shipwright? He still kept building ships after Rogers death. And his speech about not having such a thing like blueprints for a pirate ship, but having the sailors determine what kind of ship the vehicle gets made to should actually pretty much show why his post Oro Jackson creations could have become pirate ships.
Also, if he was a member of Rogers crew then it would have been a much bigger crime then just having build the ship and yet he was only framed for the ship building and not for being a part of the criminal crew themselves.
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We'll most likely find out in the next chapter.
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@Salamander:
i doubt Tom was part of Jinbei's crew or the Sunny Pirates (if they're the same crew as Jinbei). Why? Because wasn't he the one who built Roger's ship? Why would he build a ship for another pirate crew rather than his own?
I Agree, it was stated that Silvers didn't get along with the Pirates of the Sun, so I don't think anyone form that crew, would have built a rival crew a ship. Besides Tom didn't have the same tatoo as Arlong Hachi and the others.
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you foosl! tom did not discriminate ANYBODY!! he came from fishman island so he knew the oppresion they faced so if the boss man from that place asked for a ship and could pay, then he would have doneit , easy, hands down.
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I see two possibilities, either Jinbei is the bastard many here are making him out to be who's vicious and cruel or he became a Shichibukai to protect his people. Latter is my favourite, because it would explain why he got rid of the faction which stood for the unconditional subjugation of mankind, Arlong's.
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Makes since.
Now all we need to know why Jimbei left after he became a Shichibukai….
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We'll most likely find out in the next chapter.
Kinda hard to say, at this point. There are so many things happening at once that Oda doesn't necessarily have to go in that route in the immediate chapter. I'd like to know more but it can wait. Haha.
