i don't see what's the point of arguing who's gonna be the next crewmember. in the end it's gonna be whoever luffy likes the most , and err… i dunno if anyone can ever predict what luffy wants. :D
Chapter 368 "Umi-Ressha Battle Game" Discussion
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I can tell you right now that he wants meat.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@May 31 2005, 03:28 PM
I can tell you right now that he wants meat.
[snapback]60011[/snapback]how true, how true
ooshi78
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Ivotas, chill. He wasn't ignoring you. He just doesn't agree with you.
Neither do I, but that's another thing.
And the whole ''Franky has to make sure the ship makes it, thus joins'' is still a point I find rather silly. I also really wouldn't like it if it went like that. Technically, to me at least, he'd already have fulfilled his dream. And besides, joining only to make sure the ship's okay is just a sucky motive.
Don't get me wrong, though, these last few chapters have made me love Franky. I didn't nearly like him as much before…. Now that I've seem him interact with the other characters, and with not so much focus put on him alone, I've grown to appreciate him more and more.
I'm not one for placing bets, but if Franky were to join I definitely wouldn't complain.
Then again, I wouldn't if Pauly joined, either.
Though I'm guessing it'll just end up with neither joining. Or someone totally unexpected instead.
Like Spandam.
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And the whole ''Franky has to make sure the ship makes it, thus joins'' is still a point I find rather silly. I also really wouldn't like it if it went like that. Technically, to me at least, he'd already have fulfilled his dream. And besides, joining only to make sure the ship's okay is just a sucky motive."=========
what more higher goal would a shipwright dream of? i just dont get what ur saying of a sucky motive, its a great motive, when he creates a ship its not even sure to survive all things that they might encounter in the grandline, remember that his dream is to make a dream ship that is capable of defeating all difficult seas ahead., i think thats what every damn shipwright ever dream to make… -
(Update: Mr. 394 is awake and completed his Death Note. But I think he's gone for work?)
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For me all signs point to Franky. I've been thinking over a couple of things and here is what I have theorized.
1.Because the government now knows that Franky has the blueprints, he won't really be able to stay at Water 7, hiding in safety.
2. Whatever he spent the 200 million on, it's what the Frankies wanted all the time, so he could technically give it to them before leaving. (presuming its not going to end up as the Strawhats new ship.)
3. He has a dream of a grand ship. If he built it, wouldn't he want to be with it the whole time, constantly improving it? Aren't all the Strawhats dreamers?
But hey, isn't theorizing what's going to happen next one of the reasons why we all like One Piece? Like guessing if Wanze is going to use food attacks or hand-to-hand fighting?
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^lol that sounds weird, it sounds like he is gonna commit suicide lol
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Originally posted by Onigumo@Jun 1 2005, 07:58 AM
**For me all signs point to Franky. I've been thinking over a couple of things and here is what I have theorized.1.Because the government now knows that Franky has the blueprints, he won't really be able to stay at Water 7, hiding in safety.
2. Whatever he spent the 200 million on, it's what the Frankies wanted all the time, so he could technically give it to them before leaving. (presuming its not going to end up as the Strawhats new ship.)
3. He has a dream of a grand ship. If he built it, wouldn't he want to be with it the whole time, constantly improving it? Aren't all the Strawhats dreamers?
But hey, isn't theorizing what's going to happen next one of the reasons why we all like One Piece? Like guessing if Wanze is going to use food attacks or hand-to-hand fighting?
[snapback]60058[/snapback]**Onigumo, i totally agree w/ u, oda's story is just really unpredictable and thats what makes it really good, discussing things like this is fun because we all love one piece :)
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Yeah, I can see Spandam joining. "Four 'o clock ? … It's BONDAGE TIME !!" :lol:
I'm still on the fence so much as I like Franky. I mean, it's not like I HATE him but he's way too Bon Clay-ish for me still to really like him. I know people are like 'lol Bon Clay I love the gay way !' but I'm not a big fan of characters that are TOO overly flamboyant. Seriously, not even Wanze makes me shake my head in disbelief as much as Franky did with me at first (Wanze I don't mind because he's SO over the top that he couldn't possibly be a mainstay, but Franky just kind of nags at me). I liked Franky a lot more after he got his backstory, personally.
I just feel Paulie would fit in a lot better and heck, he's already got a few aces in his hand too insofar as joining goes (and you can't try to tell me that they aren't there because they are). :P But either way at this point I'm almost beyond caring, just hoping kinda mildly that it's Paulie that comes along for the long haul. The thing I'm more adamant about right now is Nami - she totally should've gotten to commandeer a ship on the crazy Aqua Laguna ! ODA YOU MISSED IT !! :lol: I am REALLY curious to know what dials got stacked on her Clima-Tact though. Can you imagine the pain if she could still use the Tornado Tempo + Impact Dial combo ? :lol: (Though Usopp did upgrade it so who's to say he didn't reset the settings ? :P)
(BSotW: WANZE !! XD nah nah. Actually nothing really stood out for me so I guess I'll just go with Franky takin' in the shots like nothing)
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_Originally posted by Onigumo+May 31 2005, 04:58 PM–>QUOTE(Onigumo @ May 31 2005, 04:58 PM)1.Because the government now knows that Franky has the blueprints, he won't really be able to stay at Water 7, hiding in safety.
… and the Franky Family + Paulie-on-his-own + Lulu and Tilestone all agreed to go against the Marines, which would make THEM outlaws too...
Originally posted by Onigumo@
2. Whatever he spent the 200 million on, it's what the Frankies wanted all the time, so he could technically give it to them before leaving. (presuming its not going to end up as the Strawhats new ship.)My guess it's prolly that new ship (since my he-bought-a-new-Puffing Tom idea blew out of the water like steam :lol: ), but if the Frankies want it too, you think he'd send it off with them instead and let them be protected as outlaws by the world's best ship ? :E
3. He has a dream of a grand ship. If he built it, wouldn't he want to be with it the whole time, constantly improving it? Aren't all the Strawhats dreamers?_
I think since he wants to build the 'best ship in the world' that kind of implies it doesn't need improvements :lol:
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im prob in the minority of people who want kaku to join. but it doesn't matter who joins i can see some funny times for all of them in the future.
if kaku joins:
hey usop.
kaku: no im kakuhey kaku fix the ship
usop: im usopif paulie joins:
paulie: PUT SOME CLOTHES ON YOU DEVILISH WOMEN!!
sanji: NO!
fight ensuesif franky joins:
Luffy: franky! i want some cola!
franky: stop drinking my fuel!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I don't see what's bad about the "maintenance" argument. No doubt the new ship is going to be all zany, so why not have someone that knows it best work on it? Yeah, a Franky-made ship would be solid, but nothing's invincible in the OP world.
she totally should've gotten to commandeer a ship on the crazy Aqua Laguna ! ODA YOU MISSED IT !!
Thanks for reminding me. It sucks that instead of "doin' the navigator thang," she's just getting a fight.
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I am REALLY curious to know what dials got stacked on her Clima-Tact though. Can you imagine the pain if she could still use the Tornado Tempo + Impact Dial combo ? (Though Usopp did upgrade it so who's to say he didn't reset the settings ? )
You just know it's going to be chaos at first. XD If not, I'll be disappointed. And of course, when Nami finally does see Usopp again, she'll hit him over the head with it and go off on how much trouble it gave her.
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It really disappointed me 'cause I wanted to see Nami kick ass in what she's meant to kick ass in. But, then again, Our Faith Be In Ye Oda. :lol:
Though if Nami's ultimate challenge situation (SHOULD BE) is the Aqua Laguna, it makes me wonder about Robin's. What's she gonna do, blast through Double Jeopardy ? :lol:
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Mm….I say sit on her ass like Nami in Arlong Park. :P
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But that's not putting her skills to work ! I think you missed the point :lol:
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I know, but I think she deserves to be able to. Besides, what could be a challenge for her? She has a "win or lose" style of fighting, and it's not like her powers do much else. Well, maybe she can help build a ship or something.
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I was shooting for the intellectual skill rather than her physical skill. You and I both know as well as anyone else that the girls in the crew aren't exactly physical powerhouses (Robin IS, though not in the sense of say Zoro) - IMO their strengths lie in their mental abilities more than anything else, and it's those I'd like to see challenged more often.
I mean, yeah, I won't challenge that Robin is powerful, but I don't typically see her as a fighter if you get what I'm aiming at…
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doesn't look like there's gonna be a spoiler till the afternoon (japan time).
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Originally posted by Carly@May 31 2005, 08:13 PM
**I was shooting for the intellectual skill rather than her physical skill. You and I both know as well as anyone else that the girls in the crew aren't exactly physical powerhouses (Robin IS, though not in the sense of say Zoro) - IMO their strengths lie in their mental abilities more than anything else, and it's those I'd like to see challenged more often.I mean, yeah, I won't challenge that Robin is powerful, but I don't typically see her as a fighter if you get what I'm aiming at…
[snapback]60156[/snapback]**Robin rarely fights, but her battle experience is enormous. Her mastery of the Hana Hana fruit is complete, but I see your point. She prefers not to fight unless absolutely necessary.
I'm sorry if this had been mentioned before, but does anyone think that Zoro + 50 FF will engage with T-Bone with 50 soldiers?
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more like lulu and 50 frankies imo.
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I'd forgotten about Lulu there, heh. He WOULD be a pretty good match for T-Bone, wouldn't he ?
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Originally posted by Mog@Jun 1 2005, 12:36 AM
Ivotas, chill. He wasn't ignoring you. He just doesn't agree with you.No need to tell me to chill. I already made clear that I didn´t mean it offensive but that it is a disappointment. And yes it was ignoring, because if he would have truly read what I´ve said then he would by no way wrote that kind of an response. Having different opinions is one thing but writing something as a response that is totally out of place after what´s been said before is ignoring IMO. And that´s rather disappointing because I start to ask myself what the hell am I wasting my time to write stuff if nobody cares. :(
And the whole ''Franky has to make sure the ship makes it, thus joins'' is still a point I find rather silly. I also really wouldn't like it if it went like that. Technically, to me at least, he'd already have fulfilled his dream. And besides, joining only to make sure the ship's okay is just a sucky motive.
Well no matter in what discussions I´ve taken part so far I could always accept that people have different opinions and that neither one is wrong until Oda proves it, but this above statement from you is the first thing I´m 100% sure is dead wrong. No matter who joins Franky, Paulie, Kaku or Spandam he will join as a carpenter. And as a carpenter his job will be to keep that darn ship intact. That´s actually what got us the whole Water 7 arc in the first place. The Strawhats are looking for someone to repair their ship. Why else should a carpenter join pirates if not to repair their ship? I seriously don´t understand how that can be a sucky motive. To me it´s like saying that it is a sucky motive to become a pirate in order to find One Piece. :blink:
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Originally posted by ooshi78@Jun 1 2005, 05:40 AM
**doesn't look like there's gonna be a spoiler till the afternoon (japan time).ooshi78
[snapback]60177[/snapback]**i beleieve it's already night in japan so where are the spoilers?
oh yeah it's night where you're at to :D
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@May 31 2005, 06:17 PM
**> I am REALLY curious to know what dials got stacked on her Clima-Tact though. Can you imagine the pain if she could still use the Tornado Tempo + Impact Dial combo ? (Though Usopp did upgrade it so who's to say he didn't reset the settings ? )You just know it's going to be chaos at first. XD If not, I'll be disappointed. And of course, when Nami finally does see Usopp again, she'll hit him over the head with it and go off on how much trouble it gave her.
[snapback]60094[/snapback]**im sure usop put in some more party tricks :D
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Originally posted by Carly@May 31 2005, 10:13 PM
**I was shooting for the intellectual skill rather than her physical skill. You and I both know as well as anyone else that the girls in the crew aren't exactly physical powerhouses (Robin IS, though not in the sense of say Zoro) - IMO their strengths lie in their mental abilities more than anything else, and it's those I'd like to see challenged more often.I mean, yeah, I won't challenge that Robin is powerful, but I don't typically see her as a fighter if you get what I'm aiming at…
[snapback]60156[/snapback]**Oh yeah, Robin has a big, fat brain. But I dunno if she can run smoothly here; she's been down all arc. Maybe she needs to realize that she can be saved? That worked for Luffy.
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Originally posted by Majek+Jun 1 2005, 04:27 PM–>QUOTE(Majek @ Jun 1 2005, 04:27 PM)
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Originally posted by ron_8@Jun 1 2005, 10:41 AM
nah its just 5:40pm in japan
[snapback]60273[/snapback]oh yeah you're absolutely right. i don't know why i keep thinking that Japan in GMT+12 time zone :wacko: when it's only GMT+9
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Well no matter in what discussions I´ve taken part so far I could always accept that people have different opinions and that neither one is wrong until Oda proves it, but this above statement from you is the first thing I´m 100% sure is dead wrong. No matter who joins Franky, Paulie, Kaku or Spandam he will join as a carpenter. And as a carpenter his job will be to keep that darn ship intact. That´s actually what got us the whole Water 7 arc in the first place. The Strawhats are looking for someone to repair their ship. Why else should a carpenter join pirates if not to repair their ship? I seriously don´t understand how that can be a sucky motive. To me it´s like saying that it is a sucky motive to become a pirate in order to find One Piece.
Uh… That's not at all what I was talking about.
If Franky were to only join to keep an eye on the ship, well... He might as well just say: ''I don't actually wanna leave Water 7 or anything, but I really don't want you to mess up my ship so I guess I'll just come with you or something to keep an eye on it, since I'm wanted by the government anyway.''
That is not why someone should join the crew, the way I see it. The Strawhats are friends, not people who just so happen to work together to achieve a dream.
Yes, it could work out. Yes, they could become friends with Franky. But even then, if Franky's dream were to be ''keeping an eye on the ship'' I'll take it as pretty half-assed. It's like he has nothing to work towards.
If he wants to join the crew because he has yet to build his dream ship (Which I actually think is pretty likely), or because there's ''something'' he really wants to achieve with his dream ship, I'd be perfectly fine with it. However, no such ''something'' has actually been mentioned or anything.
Sure, you could say that ''something'' is the whole ''ship that can survive all dangers of the seas'' thingie, but honestly… If Franky were to build his dream-ship, but then isn't sure whether it can make it, he either did a pretty crappy job, or he has really little faith in his ship to begin with.
If you're talking about him fixing up the ship every time it gets damaged, to make sure it eventually did survive all dangers of the seas, well… I wouldn't even call it a dream-ship, actually. He could pull that off with any old ship.
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Personally I'm not so sure that Franky is going to join. I don't like him as much as Paulie. And yes I know that everyone has been rooting for either or, but I would like to see Paulie go with them. He's got a cool power with the ropes, and I think Franky has too much baggage. Franky's ties to Water7 are great and it would be hard for him to sever them. He needs to stay at Water7 to figure everything out.
However Paulie wants to get even with the government for trying to kill Iceburg,a nd he doesn't have extra crap to deal with. But I'm not quite sure and if Paulie joins for the soul purpose to get even then that goes along the lines of your point Mog. Joining JUST for revenge isn't a dream and does not merit worthiness to join the Straw Hats.
Basically, what I'd like to see happen is Paulie join the crew. But as it stands now Oda has got two canidates for that position. And I think he did that for the soul purpose to make everyone question who it's going to be.
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@ Mog:
Now I see what you meant. I completely took it a different way as you´ve noticed already.
Well there´s no point on arguing with you here since I myself think that if Franky joins it must be a little bit worked out. That´s what I meant with my views, there were just rough ideas, but nothing definite.
Only thing I disagree with you is the "if he would have to keep an eye on it he did a crappy job" statement. I´m sorry but even if he builds the best ship out there I´m sure it will be vulnerable to lets say an enemies attack for instance. I mean we still have six shichibukai (their possible followers), three supreme admirals, the entire marine, Whitebeard and Blackbeard coming at us. Are you sure that the Strawhats new ship will get out of that without any harm? I don´t think so, no matter what he builds, it will get damaged again and it will need maintanance (unless of course the new ship is Pluton itself but I doubt that).
I mean I´m sure the Oro Jackson itself needed mainenance and so far that seems to be THE ship in One Piece.
However another fought for thought I just thought of is that building the dream ship could mean that it won´t be completed in one process. Maybe and just maybe it means building a veeeeerryyy good basic ship which he plans to upgrade with the best equipment that he find on the Grand Line and at the end of the journey it is his dream ship because of being intact and finally completed. How do you like that idea? I myself like it very much!:D
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I like that thought Ivotas. It would allow the ship to grow in stature and power as the series moved along. (Maybe even add some dial power to the ship.) But I don't think it will be a basic ship. After what the Strawhats did, I think Iceburg might provide a very high quality ship that Franky could improve upon.
It also seems that Franky is starting to hit it off pretty well with Sanji and Sogeking. Once the fighting is over, I'm sure the rest of the crew will like him as well. Then Luffy will decide to make Franky part of his crew, and refuse to take no for an answer.
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Originally posted by Onigumo@Jun 1 2005, 07:42 PM
I like that thought Ivotas. It would allow the ship to grow in stature and power as the series moved along. (Maybe even add some dial power to the ship.) But I don't think it will be a basic ship. After what the Strawhats did, I think Iceburg might provide a very high quality ship that Franky could improve upon.I just said basic ship because a perfect ship doesn´t need to be improved, right?
It also seems that Franky is starting to hit it off pretty well with Sanji and Sogeking. Once the fighting is over, I'm sure the rest of the crew will like him as well. Then Luffy will decide to make Franky part of his crew, and refuse to take no for an answer.
[snapback]60541[/snapback]What you just said raised a new thought for me. Except for the short time where everyone at Water 7 thougth that the Strawhats shot Iceburg, Paulie and the Strawhats actually all interacted quite well together. However we´ve never even hear Luffy asking Pauley one time to become his new carpenter. I mean Paulie has been mixed with them for quite some time and Luffy never showed any interest in him.
On the other hand Luffy never found out about Franky´s qualities. The only time they´ve met they´ve been enemies and Luffy didn´t even know that Franky is a shipwright (and a quite good one) back then.
If we go by how Luffy recruted Zoro, Nami, Sanji and Chopper where he annoyed the hell out of them to join his crew and we compare that to Paulie I think the chances are slim that Luffy wants him.
Oh yeah and before anyone wants to disagree by using the arguments "But Luffy asked Iceburg to be his carpenter too…" or "But Luffy didn´t annoy the hell out of Usopp or Robin to join him" then let me answer that straight away:
Luffy´s asking Iceburg to be his carpenter can be taken as the same when he asked Crocus or Kureha to be his ships doctor. We all knew that this would never happen.
And as far as Usopp and Robin are concerned, he was never searching for them in the first place, he just found them. But he searched a strong fighter, navigator, cook and doctor so he found Zoro, Nami, Sanji and Chopper. And now he´s looking for a carpenter. And I think he didn´t found him yet because just as I said above he doesn´t know that Franky is a carpenter and that he´s cool cyborg with a fridge in his belly. After all we have to follow Luffy logic. :D -
Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 1 2005, 02:01 PM
But he searched a strong fighter, navigator, cook and doctor so he found Zoro, Nami, Sanji and Chopper. And now he´s looking for a carpenter. And I think he didn´t found him yet because just as I said above he doesn´t know that Franky is a carpenter and that he´s cool cyborg with a fridge in his belly. After all we have to follow Luffy logic. :D
[snapback]60551[/snapback]If I remember right, Luffy inviting Chopper to be a part of the crew had nothing to do with Chopper being a doctor, in fact Luffy didn't even know that Chopper was a doctor until after he had become one of the crew.
I think Oda's being very careful to keep the question of who will be the next crew member up in the air by giving us lots of reasons to love both Franky and Pauly. However, for all we know the next crew member could be Lucci or Spandam. If you had of asked me who the next crew member was going to be after Arabasta I would have said Vivi for sure, but we got Robin instead.
While it is true that Luffy has his own "logic" for selecting crewmates, Oda and not Luffy will decide who the next strawhat is.
Specualtion is fun and gives us something to talk about, but at the end of the day it's still anyone's best guess. -
Spandam's not a shipright, though. :P (yes, I know you weren't serious) I wouldn't have thought it was too out there to think Lucci would somehow join, except that it would be a little too much like Robin joining…all of a sudden this mysterious person who was the villain joining for unknown reasons, you know?(and he's a bastard) Also, already got a zoan user. The only devil fruit ability that they don't have on the ship is logia. I wonder if they'll get one before the end.
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Originally posted by Lorax@Jun 1 2005, 09:01 PM
While it is true that Luffy has his own "logic" for selecting crewmates, Oda and not Luffy will decide who the next strawhat is.
Specualtion is fun and gives us something to talk about, but at the end of the day it's still anyone's best guess.
[snapback]60609[/snapback]But Oda already knows that and actually like in entire One Piece you can actually understand his handwriting in foreshadowing. And though you´re right, that Luffy didn´t know Chopper was a doctor he wanted him as new crewmember coincedentally in the time he was looking for a doctor. And why did he want him, because he´s a "mutant".
And right now he wants a carpenter and he has yet to learn about the "fridge guy´s" quality. Actually it could be that he ask´s Franky to join him without actually knowing that he´s a carpenter.One thing is for sure so far, he didn´t ask Paulie one time to join him and he´s the # 1 carpenter of dock 1, right? Of course this is not enough evidence but somehow it should at least get people thinking.
Edit: As far the Robin/villain joining is concerned, the first time we saw Robin she already had a strange status in BW since he offered the Strawhats an Eternal Pose. Then she saves Luffy´s life after his first fight with Crocodile and dares to show less respect to Mr. 0 sometimes then any other agent. And in the end she finally double crosses him. So from the beginning on she actually never was the definite villain. She actually got more people puzzling what the heck her true intention is. She´s a total exception in entire One Piece, hence why we still didn´t see her origin story. I´m sure it contains so much information that it would spoil a lot at this point of One Piece. That´s why is still kept a secret.
And because of all that you can´t compare her with any other villain so far. Lucci won´t join, he´s a supreme bastard as was Crocodile. And he didn´t join either. :P
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With the Franky Family on board though, there's a chance his past could be explained.
And I agree with Ivotas, like I have been. If Franky's dream is for his ship to travel the world, why wouldn't he see it through? Then it'd basically be like him wanting to see the world, which should get rid of the half-assedness some of you feel it would have. And who better to keep it going than the one who knows it best?
But that's still assuming that Franky will make the new ship.
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Ivotas he asked Iceburg to join and after that he didn't have time to think about that anymore.
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Originally posted by Majek@Jun 1 2005, 09:25 PM
Ivotas he asked Iceburg to join and after that he didn't have time to think about that anymore.
[snapback]60638[/snapback]Not sure what you mean. Didn´t he think about asking Iceburg anymore or didn´t he think about searching for a carpenter anymore?
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 1 2005, 10:28 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 1 2005, 10:28 PM)
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Originally posted by Majek@Jun 1 2005, 09:33 PM
searching for a carpenter.
[snapback]60650[/snapback]Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. :D
Well I don´t think that it proves anything. If you go by the Drum arc Kureha was the last one he asked to join him as a doctor. Then he started recruting Chopper because Luffy thougth he was cool. With Chopper Luffy was very determined to get him as his new nakama. Then came the interferance with Wapol but even with this serious situation Luffy didn´t lose his focus on Chopper. Actually he found him so cooool that he lost sight of Wapol.
Now in Water 7 we have a even more serious matter with what happened to Usopp, Robin and with CP9. However if Luffy would have met a character he wants so bad as his new nakama he would already be annoying the hell out of him. And he doesn´t do that with Paulie.
And as I said before, Franky has been an enemy so far. He didn´t get a chance to start finding him cool. If you look back at Drum, Chopper was food for Luffy first only later after he new a little more about him he wanted him in his crew so badly. -
Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 1 2005, 01:38 PM
I mean I´m sure the Oro Jackson itself needed mainenance and so far that seems to be THE ship in One Piece.
[snapback]60504[/snapback]Probably so, but it seems that Tom simply built the Jackson and then left it in the capable hands of Roger's shipwright. The charges against him were always that he built a ship for the Pirate King, not that he was a member of the crew.
Tom trusted his ship enough that he didn't have to go along with it to make sure that it was in good enough condition; if Franky has learned anything from Tom, he should have faith in his own creation enough to let someone else take care of it.
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Ivotas, the other arcs with Sanji, Zoro, Nami and Chopper, was just small ones. Oda wanted us to know which one is going, but now he wants to confuse us. If Luffy asked Paulie then it would be too obvious that he will to join, and then we wouldnt have these Paulie v. Franky debates… I think Oda wants to suprise us like he did with CP9... Though with Paulie.. B) when everyone thinks Franky is the one, Paulie will go instead.. or something like that.
I hope my post isnt too messy.. :D
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Very good point, Ubiq. Though Tom didn't really seem to have a dream, whereas Franky really wants a ship to make it.
I agree there, Solid. Oda didn't have him ask Pauly probably for suspense. But it's not like he's completely fooling anyone, everyone knows they're both good candidates, s it's not like he could be setting up a total shock.
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Originally posted by Ubiq+Jun 1 2005, 09:47 PM–>QUOTE(Ubiq @ Jun 1 2005, 09:47 PM)
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 1 2005, 10:40 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 1 2005, 10:40 PM)
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_Originally posted by Solid+Jun 1 2005, 09:56 PM–>QUOTE(Solid @ Jun 1 2005, 09:56 PM)Ivotas, the other arcs with Sanji, Zoro, Nami and Chopper, was just small ones. Oda wanted us to know which one is going, but now he wants to confuse us. If Luffy asked Paulie then it would be too obvious that he will to join, and then we wouldnt have these Paulie v. Franky debates... I think Oda wants to suprise us like he did with CP9... Though with Paulie.. B) when everyone thinks Franky is the one, Paulie will go instead.. or something like that.
I hope my post isnt too messy.. :D
[snapback]60684[/snapback]No matter how long or short an arc is. If you are familiar with literature and arts you´ll know that the artists always have their own "handwriting" (with that I mean style of doing things) that you can recognize if you pay attention.
And though it is Oda´s style to surprize people it is his "handwriting" to show us the obvious. The obvious handwriting elements are actually the solid (no pun intended ;) ) base or should I say the frame in which you built up all the surprising and creating stuff that nobody of us can predict.
He wants to keep us puzzling how the arc finishes while it should be obvious who´ll join. Just try to remember what your first impression were through the other arc where a new member joined. It was always clear who will join but it was always a question on what will come next in this arc and how the hell will they beat the villains. At least that´s how I experienced the other arcs.And right now Oda´s handwriting still hasn´t changed. We should actually all be focusing on the whole CP9, Umi-Resha, Rocket Man, Usopp and Robin leaving situation while it should already be clear who´s going to be the carpenter. ;)
@Jun 1 2005, 10:04 PM
of course it doesn't prove anything. but you can't take other arcs as proof that something will go as it did there. this is Oda afterall.
and this arc is very different form others so because Luffy isn't annoyung the hell out of Paulie that doesn't mean he can't be the next nakama or … . things are too complicated now and anything can happen.
[snapback]60692[/snapback]_Just see what I wrote above about an artists "handwriting". don´t want to sound like an arogant asshole but this is a scientific fact.
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 1 2005, 10:58 PM
**If Franky would be the same as Tom then he could build the ship and leave it in Paulie´s hands for instance. No doubts there. But I think that as Buccaneer said IF it would be his ship then he would definitely be the better person for keeping it ok.But personally in the last hours my idea of building the dream ship is a long process grew so much on me that I think this actually could be it. I mean maybe Franky is like "I want it to have cannons form [insert island name], and it needs sails from [insert island name]…" etc. There´s much more stuff I can´t think right now. If that is what it needs to build his dream ship, then he certainly needs to go travel around the world. If he waits at Water 7 he will maybe never get all his dream material (upgrades) to start working on his dream.
[snapback]60688[/snapback]**to me franky just doesn't seem like a guy who'd repair one of his own ships. :)
and isn't water 7 THE shipyard ? the best shipwrights and so on . so one could expect it have the best material you'd need to build a ship , don't you agree ?
Just see what I wrote above about an artists "handwriting". don´t want to sound like an arogant asshole but this is a scientific fact.
but there are also exceptions. ;)
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Now in Water 7 we have a even more serious matter with what happened to Usopp, Robin and with CP9. However if Luffy would have met a character he wants so bad as his new nakama he would already be annoying the hell out of him. And he doesn´t do that with Paulie.
The new crew could fall into the category of Usopp and Robin. Luffy didn't go crazy to get them, but they're still importnt crews.