@igetowned
I would not be surprised if some of the characters on the right half get defeated(by some other character) before they meet up with the SH's.
@igetowned
I would not be surprised if some of the characters on the right half get defeated(by some other character) before they meet up with the SH's.
Sanji seems like a better match for laffite than brooke… hes a tap dancer after all.. but who knows it could be Sanji vs Burgess
@Kidany:
That's the thing though, because of what his previous reputation was I doubt anyone forced him to become Vegapunk's experiment.
I personally see Kuma willingly letting himself be subjected to it as a form of "repentance" for his past. I mean something had to have happened back then since the Kuma we see now is calm, collected while still maintaining his pirate's honor. Besides, a pirate becomes a Shichibukai on their own by choice, it isn't something that's forced upon anyone.
Or he could have been captured and sent to Impel down to be the first in Vegapunk's experiments or severely injured in a battle, then found and fixed up by Marines.
I don't get the first sentence? How does being an evil bastard make it less likely he was forced? Wouldn't a violent baddie like Arlong or Kidd be the type of person you'd have to force to do anything?
I get your idea and it works as a 3rd option, just not the reasons. The calm&collected stuff would come from the Pacifista program as it name implies it was a method to calm him down, would it not? You're saying he wanted anger management via becoming a cyborg? I personally think if Kuma gets hurt badly in a fight whats keeping him in check will go awry and he'll become a psycho again.
Or he could have been captured and sent to Impel down to be the first in Vegapunk's experiments or severely injured in a battle, then found and fixed up by Marines.
If that were even possible, they'd do that to someone like Ace who's got ahold of a strong logia Devil Fruit and extremely strong. So I'm saying it's doubtful that what you're implying about experiments are true. If that were even possible they wouldn't even need Shichibukai.
I don't get the first sentence? How does being an evil bastard make it less likely he was forced? Wouldn't a violent baddie like Arlong or Kidd be the type of person you'd have to force to do anything?
Because if Kuma was known as being so ruthless that he was being refferred to as "Tyrant," it's doubtful that Kuma is one to suddenly be the only Shichibukai that's considered "loyal" among them. I'm saying somewhere down the line during his life before being a Shichibukai, something happened which made Kuma change so drastically that he's willing to let himself become Vegapunk's experiment as a form of repentance for what he's done in the past.
I get your idea and it works as a 3rd option, just not the reasons. The calm&collected stuff would come from the Pacifista program as it name implies it was a method to calm him down, would it not? You're saying he wanted anger management via becoming a cyborg? I personally think if Kuma gets hurt badly in a fight whats keeping him in check will go awry and he'll become a psycho again.
But he still has a sense of pirate's honor as seen by the situation with Zoro so Kuma isn't lacking any free will/control or whatever else you're suggesting. I can sort of understand where you're getting the idea of Kuma having a dual personality, but I see it as simply a change that happened to him that made Kuma go from his past as "Tyrant" to the Kuma that wants to serve the World Government as a Shichibukai.
I changed my mind. Final encounter:
Usopp & Chopper vs Sengoku, Three Admirals, all vice admirals, the entire navy, Shichibukai and crew, 2 yonkou that aren't Shanks and Whitebeard, Impel Down fugitives, all rookies including Supernovas, Evil Luffy, Zoro gone crazy, Demon-Possessed Sanji, Power-lusting Sorcerous Nami, Robin driven insane by poneglyphs, Soulless Undead Brooke, Malware infected Franky, Pikachu, Steel, Skeletor and minions, Red Tomato Gang, me, and Michael Jackson + clones.
Sanji seems like a better match for laffite than brooke… hes a tap dancer after all.. but who knows it could be Sanji vs Burgess
Laffite will fight Nami. Both are navigators.
The reason I brought up the devil fruit Zoan is, what if he ate the Saru-Saru fruit…
That would be a horrible... Horrible pun...
Haha!
I'm still interested in a battle with Luffy, Kidd, and Law going up against Kizaru.
The reason I put Brooke and Laffite together is because they have the same type of weapon.
hehe malware infected Franky ^^
I changed my mind. Final encounter:
Usopp & Chopper vs Sengoku, Three Admirals, all vice admirals, the entire navy, Shichibukai and crew, 2 yonkou that aren't Shanks and Whitebeard, Impel Down fugitives, all rookies including Supernovas, Evil Luffy, Zoro gone crazy, Demon-Possessed Sanji, Power-lusting Sorcerous Nami, Robin driven insane by poneglyphs, Soulless Undead Brooke, Malware infected Franky, Pikachu, Steel, Skeletor and minions, Red Tomato Gang, me, and Michael Jackson + clones.
meh, the final battle will be
SH Pirates vs Pwngoat.
And yeah, I agree…zoro's final battle can't be kuma, you guys are right...he's already slated to fight mihawk. Actually I was rereading franky's first appearance, it made me think of Kuma's appearance. Both had mysterious and similar powers. Franky is able to mimic some of Kuma's powers too. I figure, once he upgrades himself, preferably with material found in the new world that is stronger than steel...maybe he CAN fight kuma.
Plus, combine that with Usopp's insane inventions, Battle Franky coud be insanely lethal...IE, if Franky had a reject dial...it wouldn't hurt his stronger than steel body and the power of it is very strong.
No, it's Pwngoat with an Afro vs. Strawhats.
I'm as for which Strawhat fights Burgess, maybe it's a fishman nakama. As for Sanji, I'm kind of leaning towards fighting Doflamingo. Because if Doflamingo is as pimp as he looks, Sanji's the perfect knight to fight him.
Also while at it, Doflamingo represents Lust. Kuma wrath. Moria sloth. Mihawk pride. Blackbeard envy & greed. Jimbei gluttony.
The reason I put Brooke and Laffite together is because they have the same type of weapon.
Lafitte's cane is just a cane as far as we know.
What does 将校 mean?
@Kidany:
If that were even possible, they'd do that to someone like Ace who's got ahold of a strong logia Devil Fruit and extremely strong. So I'm saying it's doubtful that what you're implying about experiments are true. If that were even possible they wouldn't even need Shichibukai.
He's called an experimental Cyborg for a reason. Making him doesn't mean they can automatically create another like him. He's somewhat of a success, doesn't mean Robo-Arlong, Crocodile, or Ace would be too. Other pirates could die during the procedure, they simply wouldn't become loyal, or the Marines don't have the resources to turn every Uber pirate in their custody into a cyborg.
Others are the ones who brought up the idea of multiple cyborgs which can still be true as they'd be newer models. I doubt Kuma was recently turned into a Cyborg.
Because if Kuma was known as being so ruthless that he was being refferred to as "Tyrant," it's doubtful that Kuma is one to suddenly be the only Shichibukai that's considered "loyal" among them. I'm saying somewhere down the line during his life before being a Shichibukai, something happened which made Kuma change so drastically that he's willing to let himself become Vegapunk's experiment as a form of repentance for what he's done in the past.
No idea what thats supposed to mean. My idea is that he was an evil guy. The Pacifista program is Vegapunk's project to turn evil guys good. Kuma was the first succesful attempt.
You make it sound like my ideas of how Vegapunk came upon Kuma's body are farfetched.
But he still has a sense of pirate's honor as seen by the situation with Zoro so Kuma isn't lacking any free will/control or whatever else you're suggesting. I can sort of understand where you're getting the idea of Kuma having a dual personality, but I see it as simply a change that happened to him that made Kuma go from his past as "Tyrant" to the Kuma that wants to serve the World Government as a Shichibukai.
Well thats not exactly pirate pride Kuma showed. Only other person to treat the Strawhats the way he did was AoKiji. The SH put both of them in situations where if they would have acted as they were supposed to, they would look like the badguys and damage their integrity.
I never said he had a dual personality or that he was lacking in free will. I was saying the Pacifista program curve his violent tendencies. Like mental constraints. I'm not saying anything new or unusual.
He's called an experimental Cyborg for a reason. Making him doesn't mean they can automatically create another like him. He's somewhat of a success, doesn't mean Robo-Arlong, Crocodile, or Ace would be too. Other pirates could die during the procedure, they simply wouldn't become loyal, or the Marines don't have the resources to turn every Uber pirate in their custody into a cyborg.
Others are the ones who brought up the idea of multiple cyborgs which can still be true as they'd be newer models. I doubt Kuma was recently turned into a Cyborg.
But if these "experimental cyborgs" are even possible, why not simply hold Ace in Impel Down until he can in fact be made into one instead of having him publicly executed right away?
I honestly think Kuma is the only Pacifista, otherwise in his discussion with Zoro it would have at least been mentioned that there were or currently are others.
No idea what thats supposed to mean. My idea is that he was an evil guy. The Pacifista program is Vegapunk's project to turn evil guys good. Kuma was the first succesful attempt.
You make it sound like my ideas of how Vegapunk came upon Kuma's body are farfetched.
Exactly, he was an excessively ruthless evil guy, so something had to have happened to make a guy like that accept a deal to become a Shichibukai. Ask yourself this:
Why would one with a reputation like that become the only "loyal" member of a group that is filled by predominately shady guys with their own secret aspirations? Don't you find it odd?
We know that before Kuma became a Shichibukai that there's no way he had any modifications done on him since Dr. Vegapunk works for the World Government. A captured pirate does no good as a Shichibukai since they'd be sent to Impel Down or simply executed so we know that Kuma is strong enough to not have been. So yes i think it's indeed farfetched.
Well thats not exactly pirate pride Kuma showed. Only other person to treat the Strawhats the way he did was AoKiji. The SH put both of them in situations where if they would have acted as they were supposed to, they would look like the badguys and damage their integrity.
I never said he had a dual personality or that he was lacking in free will. I was saying the Pacifista program curve his violent tendencies. Like mental constraints. I'm not saying anything new or unusual.
Kuma specifically stated that it'd be shameful of him to take Luffy after seeing what both Zoro and Sanji did. So yes it's a matter of honor regardless of the source; which proves that Kuma isn't being "controlled" by anyone. He was given specific orders by the very people he's now loyal to yet didn't follow through and admitted it outright to Sengoku. It's blatantly obvious no one is dictating his actions.
But by what Kuma stated Pacifista isn't something that gets rid of violent tendencies, it's simply a goverment funded "human weapon" program. So there goes that option.
Does anyone else think that if Luffy doesn't defeat the admiral, he has made no progress? I mean he developed the gears to help him face people like Aokiji (spelling). If he can't, what has he done? And if his crew can't defeat special marine troops, are they no better than second rate pirates. I see the up coming fight as a determining factor in the Strawhat's growth.
Does anyone else think that if Luffy doesn't defeat the admiral, he has made no progress? I mean he developed the gears to help him face people like Aokiji (spelling). If he can't, what has he done? And if his crew can't defeat special marine troops, are they no better than second rate pirates. I see the up coming fight as a determining factor in the Strawhat's growth.
No not really. the admirals are the best of the best. Luffy doesn't need to be that strong yet. He will get there eventually but he doesn't need to be there just yet.
So I'm just going to come out and say it – is Chapter 505 coming out this week?
I couldn't help but ask, too used to the spoilers-on-tuesday thing.
Does anyone else think that if Luffy doesn't defeat the admiral, he has made no progress?
Well considering Luffy was unable to inflict any damage what so ever on Aokiji, I would say progress is not defeating Kizaru, but actually landing an attack/inflicting damage.
Luffy does not need to win, only show that it is not child's play for the Admiral.
I'm hoping that these "advance troops" are savage cannibals, eating anyone they cross paths with. That way, the Straw Hats can release the Tenryuukuso "Like you guys told us to!" at the most inopportune moment. Well, inopportune from the perspective of the World Ignobles.
Yes, I have it in for those guys.
Plus, a bunch of hooting, shrieking maniacs in tattered Marine uniforms eating some unfortunate Marine officer that tried briefing them would be so over the top.
@Gerchak:
So I'm just going to come out and say it – is Chapter 505 coming out this week?
There's no chapter this week.
Really no chapter this week? There was no mentioning of BF..
But savage cannibals have been done before in One Piece.
No not really. the admirals are the best of the best. Luffy doesn't need to be that strong yet. He will get there eventually but he doesn't need to be there just yet.
Yea, You got a point.
@They:
Well considering Luffy was unable to inflict any damage what so ever on Aokiji, I would say progress is not defeating Kizaru, but actually landing an attack/inflicting damage.
Luffy does not need to win, only show that it is not child's play for the Admiral.
True, true.
As long as Luffy hurts him a little then I will be happy.
MNo he's bullshitting you. it should be obvious considering the 505 spoilers thread has appeared already.
Yeah it true that Elric is kidding around.
@Kidany:
But if these "experimental cyborgs" are even possible, why not simply hold Ace in Impel Down until he can in fact be made into one instead of having him publicly executed right away?
Maybe because they feel he's more valuable as an Ace up their sleeve for WB than as a research speciment for one crazy Scientist's experiments. Clearly they have other priorities at hand. It's like asking why didn't our government use this money for project A instead of Project B or C.
I honestly think Kuma is the only Pacifista, otherwise in his discussion with Zoro it would have at least been mentioned that there were or currently are others.
I'm with you on that. Apparently other people think it was implied somewere there were, but I don't remember reading that.
Exactly, he was an excessively ruthless evil guy, so something had to have happened to make a guy like that accept a deal to become a Shichibukai. Ask yourself this:
Why would one with a reputation like that become the only "loyal" member of a group that is filled by predominately shady guys with their own secret aspirations? Don't you find it odd?
I'm finding it odd how such a basic concept can be lost on you. I'm saying the entire point of the Pacifista procedure is to pacify any subjects violent tendencies. Just like Riddilin is used to calm hyper kids or antidepressents make people not depressed.
We know that before Kuma became a Shichibukai that there's no way he had any modifications done on him since Dr. Vegapunk works for the World Government. A captured pirate does no good as a Shichibukai since they'd be sent to Impel Down or simply executed so we know that Kuma is strong enough to not have been. So yes i think it's indeed farfetched.
???
Have you ever seen the FMA anime, where the government is secretely taking prisoners to a secret research lab and using them for experiments for the philosophers stone?
Random Marine A: Kuma has been brought into custody.
Random Marine B: Prepare him for execution.
Vegapunk: Wait I think he'd be the perfect speciment for a new procedure I've come up with to turn violent criminals into loyal outstanding citizen of the government.
WG Beuracrat: OK
Kuma is taken willingly or unwillingly to Vegapunk's lab
Kuma wakes up after procedure
Vegapunk: So Kuma feel like tearing my head off or pillaging a small defenseless village today or ever.
Kuma: No…...I actually feel very bad about all that. Is there someway I could repent?
Vegapunk: SUCCESS!!!!!
Sengoku: Well since you no longer dangerous, but still have your old reputation and more power. Want to be one of the Shickibukai?
Kuma: Sure, thanks.
End.
Scenario B
Kuma got wrecked in some sort of fight.
Marines found his body.
Marines save his life by turning him into cyborg.
He decides to work for them.
Neither are farfetched, in fact both are pretty clique.
Kuma specifically stated that it'd be shameful of him to take Luffy after seeing what both Zoro and Sanji did. So yes it's a matter of honor regardless of the source; which proves that Kuma isn't being "controlled" by anyone. He was given specific orders by the very people he's now loyal to yet didn't follow through and admitted it outright to Sengoku. It's blatantly obvious no one is dictating his actions.
I never said he was being controlled once in an of my posts. My first post actually states he may be considered incomplete because he still has plenty of free will. Honestly you seem to be having a different discussion than I am with some of these responses.
But by what Kuma stated Pacifista isn't something that gets rid of violent tendencies, it's simply a goverment funded "human weapon" program. So there goes that option.
No it doesn't. By getting this pirate to stop his harmful actions they've gained a valuable ally/weapon. Taking away his madness and creating a human weapon are not mutually exclusive.
Maybe because they feel he's more valuable as an Ace up their sleeve for WB than as a research speciment for one crazy Scientist's experiments. Clearly they have other priorities at hand. It's like asking why didn't our government use this money for project A instead of Project B or C.
Either way he'd be usable against Whitebeard, but if your little "mind control" thing was even true it'd be more of an advantage for these guys to turn one of Whitebeard's own against him than simply killing Ace off. Just to clarify if I'm reading your view right though:
You're saying it'd be better to simply execute Ace right now than eventually use him as a controllable ally even if the World Government were somehow able to get these guys under their control?
They're not doing what you mentioned because it doesn't exist is what my point is.
I'm with you on that. Apparently other people think it was implied somewere there were, but I don't remember reading that.
I figured as much, that was more a general statement to whoever did in fact say it.
I'm finding it odd how such a basic concept can be lost on you. I'm saying the entire point of the Pacifista procedure is to pacify any subjects violent tendencies. Just like Riddilin is used to calm hyper kids or antidepressents make people not depressed.
But Kuma only brought up the whole Pacifista subject once his cyborg parts became visible to Zoro. He specifically mentions it as a World Government human/weapon program; nowhere is it mentioned about calming one's violent tendencies or anything like it.
It just seems like foolhardy speculation when nothing even related to what you're suggesting has been mentioned.
???
Have you ever seen the FMA anime, where the government is secretely taking prisoners to a secret research lab and using them for experiments for the philosophers stone?
Random Marine A: Kuma has been brought into custody.
Random Marine B: Prepare him for execution.
Vegapunk: Wait I think he'd be the perfect speciment for a new procedure I've come up with to turn violent criminals into loyal outstanding citizen of the government.
WG Beuracrat: OK
Kuma is taken willingly or unwillingly to Vegapunk's lab
Kuma wakes up after procedure
Vegapunk: So Kuma feel like tearing my head off or pillaging a small defenseless village today or ever.
Kuma: No…...I actually feel very bad about all that. Is there someway I could repent?
Vegapunk: SUCCESS!!!!!
Sengoku: Well since you no longer dangerous, but still have your old reputation and more power. Want to be one of the Shickibukai?
Kuma: Sure, thanks.
End.
Trust me I see where our differences are. You think the project has to do with his change in attitude while I think it has to do with something that happened during his tenure as a pirate which caused him to become the man he is now. I can't really refute any of that nor you can mine, although as I stated earlier in this post that no mention was made about Pacifista affecting one's mindset; it's all been pure physical changes so the facts shown to us lean more towards my view.
This can be answered most likely when we finally get too see Dr. Vegapunk in person anyway.
I never said he was being controlled once in an of my posts. My first post actually states he may be considered incomplete because he still has plenty of free will. Honestly you seem to be having a different discussion than I am with some of these responses.
No it doesn't. By getting this pirate to stop his harmful actions they've gained a valuable ally/weapon. Taking away his madness and creating a human weapon are not mutually exclusive.
But by taking Kuma's free-will, being controlled is exactly what the result would be, hence why I referred to it as such. It's not a stretch to think that.
I'll state again, nothing has been shown to think anything even remotely close to that. The change in his behavior now can't really be linked to whatever experiments Dr. Vegapunk has done. The results we've been shown so far by Kuma are purely physical which lean more to proving that Pacifista is simply human/weapon project so yes I consider the two mutually exclusive.
@Kidany:
Either way he'd be usable against Whitebeard, but if your little "mind control" thing was even true it'd be more of an advantage for these guys to turn one of Whitebeard's own against him than simply killing Ace off. Just to clarify if I'm reading your view right though:
You're saying it'd be better to simply execute Ace right now than eventually use him as a controllable ally even if the World Government were somehow able to get these guys under their control?
Pretty obvious Ace is simply bait for WB. Why would the WG or any competetant organization go through the trouble of turning Ace into a cyborg when they just want to topple one man and his crew of their lucky. That idea is full of potential unecessary complications.
Don't know where you keep on bringing up mindcontrol. Ace is already a pretty chill guy so what purpose would turning him into a Pacifista serve?
They're not doing what you mentioned because it doesn't exist is what my point is.
There not turning Ace into a Cyborg because its a ridiculous idea that serves no purpose in the grand scheme of things. From what I'm getting from you is that if its true Kuma only became docile after becoming a Cyborg the marines must turn every Uber pirate in their custody like him. Nevermind if its not feasible or unecessary.
I figured as much, that was more a general statement to whoever did in fact say it.
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But Kuma only brought up the whole Pacifista subject once his cyborg parts became visible to Zoro. He specifically mentions it as a World Government human/weapon program; nowhere is it mentioned about calming one's violent tendencies or anything like it.
OK? I never said it was a fact Pacifista program was meant to calm down ruthless people. I was making a logical conclusion based on his current demeanor, past reputation as a Tyrant, and the use of the term Pacifista, as the basis for the idea. You act like he told Zoro everything about what he was. He just gave him a short description of what he was.
It just seems like foolhardy speculation when nothing even related to what you're suggesting has been mentioned.
And what exactly are you doing? You're basically concluding he decided to turn a new leaf and being a cyborg is completely unrelated to his change in his behavior. I'm saying becoming a cyborg was the cause of such behavior and at least the name of the program backs up that theory.
Trust me I see where our differences are. You think the project has to do with his change in attitude while I think it has to do with something that happened during his tenure as a pirate which caused him to become the man he is now. I can't really refute any of that nor you can mine, although as I stated earlier in this post that no mention was made about Pacifista affecting one's mindset; it's all been pure physical changes so the facts shown to us lean more towards my view.
Whatever you say. There nothing suggesting the procedure is the reason for the behavioral change. I'm seeing patterns that aren't there.
Nah, Kuma just used his ability to push all of the rage, hate, and violence out of himself. It was then split up and placed into a handful of Yellow Monkey's subordinates, causing them to become the flesh-eating abominations they are today.
Kidding, naturally.
Wern't the only people that eat people were those people that were about to eat Richie's crew?
Wern't the only people that eat people were those people
I have no idea what on earth you just said, seriously what the heck is that?
They were in the very first cover story.
Wern't the only people that eat people were those people that were about to eat Richie's crew?
@They:
I have no idea what on earth you just said, seriously what the heck is that?
"Weren't the only people to eat people…" (cannibals)
Emperor Time's quote can then be read as "Weren't the only cannibals those people that were about to eat Richie's crew?"
Those were the only cannibals shown. That doesn't mean they were the only cannibals in the OP world.
I suppose there might be more cannibals but even the people of Jaya who sacrifice there own people weren't cannibals which means that cannibal people must be a very rare occurance in the OP world.
So… any guesses as to what Kidd and Law's powers actually do?
I'm most intrigued by Law's power. I imagine that it allows him to control time and space within the circle. He stopped time for the cannonball, decapitated the marine with his sword before he knew what hit him, and then tanspositioned the head and cannonball and reversed the latter's momentum.
I'm probably gonna be completely wrong, but it's nice to guess.
Oh, and I think Kidd's powers are Magnetism based.
If Law's powers only let him control what's in his space, it may be kind of limited, but still awesome at the same time. He'll just have trouble against a sniper, but that's what nakama is for.
As for Kidd, I'm not going to spoil, but I'll say it's a cool ability.
PS off topic, to reduce spam and trolling and shit that I'll regret, I'll just post seldom now and most of the time completely ignore some discussions. Sorry if I miss your posts but blame it on the trolls.
PS off topic, to reduce spam and trolling and shit that I'll regret, I'll just post seldom now and most of the time completely ignore some discussions. Sorry if I miss your posts but blame it on the trolls.
What a shame, but the next chapter's gonna come out soon and not everyone's gonna read this. It would be best if you put it in your signature so everyone knows right away who is to blame when you miss their posts.