@Kidany:
I mean why now of all times would the World Government publicly declare war and upset the balance when they themselves are the ones who consider it so important to keep each respective power in check? Blackbeard is the one factor that tips the scales on the Marines/World Government's side even if only a little.
It's not only Vivi but also the fact that Vivi brought them Ace forcing the Whitebread to make a move the WG can anticipate and prepare for.
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Which basically means Blackbeard is the cause… like I stated.
He's the one who got the ball rolling with the victory over Ace which leads into this current situation.
Hi! I'm new here. Love all the speculation talks with the new chapter. 
I'm actually interested in some of the other crew members we've seen with Law and Kidd. Besides Killer and the bear, no one's really seem to be mentioning them yet.
There was a comment earlier in the disappointment of the fact that all of the other Supernova's crew members must only be mediocre because they don't have a bounty yet. I very much disagree with this statement. Sanji has of course been part of the monster trio in Luffy's crew since he joined and only gained a bounty recently. Blackbeard (and Burgess, Van Auger, Doc Q and Lafitte) managed to get through Grand Line and became a Shicibukai without every gaining a bounty. What with all the talk of how bounties aren't always relative to an individual's strength (Chopper, anyone?), while Oda surely uses it as a point of reference of giving us a semblance of power level, let's not also forget he makes exceptions to the rule. Sometimes I think it's just a matter of circumstance of what sort of matters an individual captain or crew member was involved in and how that affected the WG/Marines at large to how high their bounty was ranked. Shakky even said Kidd's was so high because of all the casualties he and his crew caused.
Killer, for instance, might be a lot more powerful than his slightly-over a hundred bounty might indicate. He just might be overshadowed by Kidd, much like Zoro is often overshadowed by Luffy.
There are three that have really caught my eye. One of course is Kidd's mummy/zombie crewmember with the wild hair. He even got a line in this chapter and has a distinct look. I think Kidd might even have one more crewmember who'se even taller than mummy/zombie guy (I seem to remember a few chapters ago Kidd was seen with three others…Killer, mummy/zombie dude, and tall guy whose face escapes me. Also, the whole stitched up mouth thing on both mummy/zombie guy and Kidd's flag...connection, there?
Then there's two in Law's crew besides the bear who interest me. The one who was almost knocked out by Rayleigh's ability (XD) and the one with a sort of snow cap on his head (he's on the right on page 12 of this chapter) and it says "GUIN" on it.
The very fact that they were able to take Rayleigh's beam (even if the one Law guy just barely took it) could mean they could have some significance. I definitely bet the zombie/mummy guy is kickass.
All I'm saying is I don't know if they are fodder or not, but everyone is so quick to say "fodder!" when some attention is obviously being placed on some of them. I 'm betting that Law and Kidd, of all of the supernovas, have the potential of being longtime rivals and showing up in future arcs.
Here's another one for you: Why is everyone saying the lower-tier Supernovas, like Bonney and Capone, are going to just keep wiped out for fodder as well? While I agree that some pirates and characters are just there to be annihilated or to be made an example of, I stand by the theory that the SN were created for a more longterm reason and I personally think even the weakest of them aren't going down without a little bit of a fight.
On a final note, since I mentioned Blackbeard a bit earlier...on the 'Blackbeard being the final enemy' theory, which I am a large fan of, who doesn't see Van Auger as being almost custom created to be the 'Mihawk'...the ultimate challenge, if you will, for Usopp? We have not seen a greater sniper in one piece and a sort of ultimate sniper battle would be a very nice final battle for Usopp.
Greg is officially getting sick of One Piece -_- For a stupid reason at that.
Yeah, because criticizing a series I love must mean I'm sick of it. That's the only logical conclusion.
hahaha… while I'm with you, there are actually the few scenes in One Piece e.g. with shanks, that show that there is some form of death in One Piece.
Again, I would never argue there hasn't been death in OP, just that Oda has gone sickeningly soft over the years. Okay, so he didn't want the pirate to die. Okay, no biggie…...theeeeeen why bother going through the trouble to show him alive and screaming at the top of his lungs? It's not that he won't kill throwaways, it's that he goes out of his way to make sure there is no possible way they could be conceived of as dead.
"I can see their parachutes, they're ok!"
I'm holding out for this war with Whitebeard and World Government.
Indeed. I'm hoping that much of this is part of his bigger plan to pull a shocker. If not, well, th,th,th,that's allllll folks!
If at least one person doesn't croak with all three great powers colliding, then there's no hope left for death in One Piece.
And you know, I know you know this so I'm preaching to the choir, but it's not even that death NEEDS to be in One Piece, but if you're going to try to show us villains or even put our characters in dire situations (not the SH crew since we know they're invincible but characters like Hacchan, etc.) then at least show us that you have the will to show death in your world otherwise there's simply no tension. The heroes will always win perfect victories with no sacrifices. Again, OP wasn't always like this, but I've seen it gravitating towards this kind of utopian ideal where everyone is invincible and…it's lame. Super lame.
Well, there is just one slight question regarding Fishman Island that is currently bugging me. How the heck are they going to breathe when they get down there?!. I can understand that they were able to breathe in Sky Island but under the water? ^^ I am really looking forward to what Oda will do about that
As I doubt that the crew is going to get coated aswell.
One thing I thought about is that the ship could be emerged in a bubble similar to the ones of the Archeplago, as Hachi said that they have similar bubbles down at Fishman Island when Luffy wanted to buy one. Would be neat if somehow the Island would be one giant bubble once they get down there to allow surface inhabitants to breathe down thereEdit: Sorry for being a bit off -topic ^^
they wear air bubbles on their heads.
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I must say that I am, just as others are, very excited by this new chapter. The Shichibukai are going to fight the Whitebeard Pirates. That's bound to be some kind of huge fest of the strongest people in the world smacking down. Now, we may see Jimbei along with the yet to be named one and I wonder if Moria is ready for another big fight, if he stayed with them(which I'm pretty sure he did). It's going to be pretty awesome.
Also, the three supernova's blasting through the front forces. Seeing that Kizaru is coming with some special troops I wonder if he'll fight all three of the captains or will they get away? At any rate, these are exciting posibilities that have developed!
Hmmm….
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/05/
Not likely, but… it used to be a theory.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
You mean like Operation-Human-Shield from South Park? Makes sense.^^
Too funny not to be acknowledged
@Mondo:
People who complain about the lack of deaths in One Piece are people who orgasm over cheap low rent drama. Their opinion is meaningless. Thank you Oda for making and keeping this manga light hearted while at the same time touching deep subjects
And by the way the pirate that bit his tongue is a "devious tactician". He obviously faked it
And you know, I know you know this so I'm preaching to the choir, but it's not even that death NEEDS to be in One Piece, but if you're going to try to show us villains or even put our characters in dire situations (not the SH crew since we know they're invincible but characters like Hacchan, etc.) then at least show us that you have the will to show death in your world otherwise there's simply no tension. The heroes will always win perfect victories with no sacrifices. Again, OP wasn't always like this, but I've seen it gravitating towards this kind of utopian ideal where everyone is invincible and…it's lame. Super lame.
I think people fail to understand what our complaint is. We already know the Luffy and his crew have the immunity card for dying. We accept that. What we're complaining about is how Oda (In our opinions) has killed part of the suspense of his series. If cannon fodder characters with lame designs and no character development can survive, then what circumstance is required for someone to die. These are supposed to be some serious situations that characters encounter, yet, somehow they come out unscathed… and not only that... Oda goes out of his way to make sure he shows us that they're still alive. He could have left us guessing on so many occurrences, but he doesn't. It's gonna take a whole lot of convincing to get me to believe someone is really dead now in One Piece.
I wouldn't be surprised if FFAce is correct and Bellamy was one of the slaves.
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"I can see their parachutes, they're ok!"
WOOOWWWW! You went back old school DBZ Nappa..Greg I'm officially in love with you!..I'm not gay though..
But unless the head returns to the body, that guy who was in Law's Room is dead ._.
The head will return to the body and the Marine will be SUPERRRRR. Hence 'Surgeon of Death'. His abilities allow him to take you apart and put you back together at his own discretion.
"Top-Secret, Concentrated, Short-Term Cover Serial 0! Death Takes a Holiday–at Kyuuka Island?!?"
I'm hoping for Oda to draw in the occasional "Meanwhile.." panel, with the Grim Reaper just chilling out by the pool. It would give a humorous sense of closure to so much that's gone on.
The head will return to the body and the Marine will be SUPERRRRR. Hence 'Surgeon of Death'. His abilities allow him to take you apart and put you back together at his own discretion.
Which makes you wonder if there's a Polar Bear out there with a guy's head and hands.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
I likeit how every1 is in chaos about an admiral coming. Kidd and Rayleigh don't particulary seem afraid, but they'd rather not go toe to toe with an admiral.
I'm anxious to see the special troops that kizaru is bringing.
And i think Kidd's df is a magnetism or something of that sort. It showed some type of electrical energy as he repeled the cannon ball. We'll be able to tell if someone threw a boulder at him and he wasn't able to repel it.
The highlight for me in this chapter was Doflamingo and his convo with Disco. I predict that the "troops" Yellow Monkey will be bring with him might be a special team of Vice Admirals. I wonder how long it will take to actual see this Whitebeard Pirates vs Shichibukai battle, I guess that we will get a glimps when Luffy and Crew are on there way to Fishman Island. I hope Im wrong coz I would like to see this fight ASAP, but before that I want to see what happen between Whitebeard and Shanks, may be Oda may take us on a flash back trip right before the Whitebeard Pirates vs Shichibukai battle.
For some reason I can't get the thought out my mind that Kizaru will some how end up getting down with Silvers.
On Law's power: It seems the room and the switching were his power, and the head slicing was his sword's power. It reminds me of the doa doa fruit…
so what do you think, which Vegapunks invention does kizaru bring ?
I'm interested in what kind of "troops" Kizaru is supposedly bringing along with him to deal with the pirate threat as the marine captain (or whatever his rank is) seems to think it's not the usual kind of task force, look at bottom right and bottom middle panel: pic
Yeah, because criticizing a series I love must mean I'm sick of it. That's the only logical conclusion.
Forgive me Greg but the fact that for the past few chapters you have been doing nothing but complain of lack of death in One Piece threw me off -_-
"Isn't Ace famous? … the government drew one hell of a card ..." and combined with how other translators chose to translate it, it's clear that Ace is the card. Much more of a stretch to assume it's Blackbeard than Ace in my opinion.
Do you actually know what a trump card is? It is an asset that someone has on his side. How can that apply for Ace, who as a Whitebeard Pirate is the WG's enemy. The trump card reference in connection to Ace is that the WG's side was able to take a strong guy like him down. And the guy responsible for that is Teach, which makes him the trump card. I don't even know how somebody can read that wrong.
It's not about allying themselves. Though they very well could ally themselves temporarily (as enemies due when it suits them realistically.) It's a matter of taking a chance dealing a blow to the World Government when they have the chances. The Revolutionaries would be the biggest candidate for that. I made no reference to Emperors specifically as I'd actually think they'd be less likely than other random stong pirates hoping to make a name for themselves.
The question is if they really care. They are the strongest guys in the world and rule the other side of the planet. While the WG might be their opponents the Yonkoh might not consider them that much of a bother to want to take them down. I mean just look at Whitebeard for instance. He's full of arrogance what in the end will be the reason that he will fall when the time comes. If the other Yonkoh are any like him then they would never consider working with the enemy (= another Yonkoh) together to defeat the inferior WG.
It's stupid to expect a group that has only one know loyal member to come. And even more so to actually revolve the plan around all the members coming to as you seem to think, just match the opponent when if one is unable to come even for reasons not related to loyalty, they'd lose.
The Shichibukai's existance doesn't rely on having faith in them following every order.
You really see that too much of a neutrals readers perspective instead of an subjective view as the WG does. It was never said that the WG knows they have only one loyal Shichibukai member. That statement was made by Moria. Considering what Crocodile said back then it's safe game to assume that the WG has faith in the Shichibukai. And it makes sense to expect so because apparently every Shichibukai who's plans were revealed (Crocodile and Moria) tried to either find an Ancient Weapon or become Pirate King, two things that don't go well with the WG's ideals. There's no doubt that the WG would have stripped them of their ranks if they'd knew that. So yes, it's like Crocodile said "they believe in the Shichibukai".
Furthermore, a war with Whitebeard is something different then come to a meeting to discuss a successor for Crocodile. The Shichibukai are opportunitists, otherwise they wouldn't have agreed on becoming government dogs. So taking part in a fight that might eliminate the worlds strongest man might be interesting for them too.
Given how Whitebeard would've went after Blackbeard either way (Shichibukai or not), they should be aware that the other Emperors themselves would've made a move assuming there was some stalemate in the New World. Others could've at least weakened Whitebeard even further as to facing them in a match that you think they need every single resource just to match him, and if one is missing, it'd be an end to their 800-year rule.
Even if they imagined the worst case scenario with no one taken an advantage of Whitebeard's abscense, it'd be less of a risk to let him continue living and wait till he dies than attacking him now. He clearly is the central figure of the group.
I have difficulties to figure our your thesis here. Could you please elaborat?
I do like how this was all set in motion over a year ago now.
Forgive me Greg but the fact that for the past few chapters you have been doing nothing but complain of lack of death in One Piece threw me off -_-
Really? I haven't made any other comments?
And I probably wouldn't have to mention it if it didn't keep (hilariously might I add) rearing its head like clockwork this arc.
True but when you constantly mention it like that, it seems you're obsessed with finding death in One Piece.
Therefore detracting your overall enjoyment of the series and hence you getting sick of it.
So the last death shown was when Brook died the first time?
His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.
I think people fail to understand what our complaint is. We already know the Luffy and his crew have the immunity card for dying. We accept that. What we're complaining about is how Oda (In our opinions) has killed part of the suspense of his series. If cannon fodder characters with lame designs and no character development can survive, then what circumstance is required for someone to die. These are supposed to be some serious situations that characters encounter, yet, somehow they come out unscathed… and not only that... Oda goes out of his way to make sure he shows us that they're still alive. He could have left us guessing on so many occurrences, but he doesn't. It's gonna take a whole lot of convincing to get me to believe someone is really dead now in One Piece.
People have been advocating this point since Skypiea, if it hasn't hit home now I think it'll never amount to anything. It's more of an issue of the members we told this to before dropping out of AP and new members not knowing what was said taking their place.
It's tiring when people outline the same clear, well argued ideas and yet they don't seem to sink in with some people. 
@Fire Fist:
Which makes you wonder if there's a Polar Bear out there with a guy's head and hands.
You, good sir, have been on fire recently. Pun not intended. I've been really impressed with the creative insights you've thrown into the last three chapter discussions, my full compliments FFA!
True but when you constantly mention it like that, it seems you're obsessed with finding death in One Piece.
Therefore detracting your overall enjoyment of the series and hence you getting sick of it.
You've claimed in the past to be a long-time lurker here at AP, but from your comments I get the impression you haven't really lurked at all, since our ideas seem so foreign and insulting to you.
Keep in mind that the longer fans of One Piece remain fans, the more critical they're going to be about their favourite manga because they care all that much more. OP's demographic never changes but the demographic's identity does change, the fans grow older and might eventually outgrow OP. That was the case for many fans who left during Skypiea and Thriller Bark; those who were left still love the story but have gripes about it. That doesn't make them less fans or mean they're sick of the story. Quite the contrary, if they haven't jumped ship they're eagerly awaiting for new developments.
I've never liked OP's artstyle, the comedy rarely makes me laugh and I find most of the fights boring. Yet, I'm still here reading it (actually I just recently jumped aboard again) - clearly, something still appeals strongly to me and I'm willing to look past the flaws because I still enjoy reading OP quite a lot.
The same would apply to many of the seasoned readers here.
So the last death shown was when Brook died the first time?
And next WILL be WB ! I don't think Oda can save his character this time.
You've claimed in the past to be a long-time lurker here at AP, but from your comments I get the impression you haven't really lurked at all, since our ideas seem so foreign and insulting to you.
Keep in mind that the longer fans of One Piece remain fans, the more critical they're going to be about their favourite manga because they care all that much more. OP's demographic never changes but the demographic's identity does change, the fans grow older and might eventually outgrow OP. That was the case for many fans who left during Skypiea and Thriller Bark; those who were left still love the story but have gripes about it. That doesn't make them less fans or mean they're sick of the story. Quite the contrary, if they haven't jumped ship they're eagerly awaiting for new developments.
I've never liked OP's artstyle, the comedy rarely makes me laugh and I find most of the fights boring. Yet, I'm still here reading it (actually I just recently jumped aboard again) - clearly, something still appeals strongly to me and I'm willing to look past the flaws because I still enjoy reading OP quite a lot.
The same would apply to many of the seasoned readers here.
True however I've been analyzing Greg's recent posts for a while and they just always seem to ooze negativity over the same point. Death in One Piece. Now it's true this issue is always recurring but the fact that Greg constantly keeps mentioning it rather than saying it once makes me feel that it's starting to be more than a negative aspect (gripe) of the series that he simply overlooks but is starting to become a serious problem for him that's irritating him to the point of pushing him away.
I understand (and feel the same way myself as I am one also) of seasoned fans sticking to the series despite it's flaws.
I just think it's starting to be more for Greg.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid but that's what I'm feeling.
Forgive me if I'm wrong
Do you actually know what a trump card is? It is an asset that someone has on his side. How can that apply for Ace, who as a Whitebeard Pirate is the WG's enemy. The trump card reference in connection to Ace is that the WG's side was able to take a strong guy like him down. And the guy responsible for that is Teach, which makes him the trump card. I don't even know how somebody can read that wrong.
A trump card isn't an asset someone has on his side. It's a valuable asset someone can use. THey can use Ace. Blackbeard isn't someone they're using now to get Whitebeard, his individual role in the situation is done, his only further role as far as Whitebeard is concerned is his collective role as part of the Shichibukai.
The question is if they really care. They are the strongest guys in the world and rule the other side of the planet. While the WG might be their opponents the Yonkoh might not consider them that much of a bother to want to take them down. I mean just look at Whitebeard for instance. He's full of arrogance what in the end will be the reason that he will fall when the time comes. If the other Yonkoh are any like him then they would never consider working with the enemy (= another Yonkoh) together to defeat the inferior WG.
Did you just skim through that part of the post?
You really see that too much of a neutrals readers perspective instead of an subjective view as the WG does. It was never said that the WG knows they have only one loyal Shichibukai member. That statement was made by Moria. Considering what Crocodile said back then it's safe game to assume that the WG has faith in the Shichibukai. And it makes sense to expect so because apparently every Shichibukai who's plans were revealed (Crocodile and Moria) tried to either find an Ancient Weapon or become Pirate King, two things that don't go well with the WG's ideals. There's no doubt that the WG would have stripped them of their ranks if they'd knew that. So yes, it's like Crocodile said "they believe in the Shichibukai".
I'd say the way it was presented, it was common knowledge that Kuma was the only loyal member. This only confirms what seemed clear during the earlier Shichibukai meeting and Smoker's comments in regards to them.
Furthermore, a war with Whitebeard is something different then come to a meeting to discuss a successor for Crocodile. The Shichibukai are opportunitists, otherwise they wouldn't have agreed on becoming government dogs. So taking part in a fight that might eliminate the worlds strongest man might be interesting for them too.
It might be, there are also plenty of other possibilities. I don't think that's exactly the most likely scenario. As I don't see someone like Mihawk wanting to fight eliminate Whitebeard. And I said the same thing in my previous posts that you disregarded just in regards to other pirates against the Navy HQ. They might take the oppurtinity to make a name for themselves.
I have difficulties to figure our your thesis here. Could you please elaborat?
To sum it up, the World Government is taking too much of a risk without good enough reason in doing so if the situation is as you say it is.
A trump card isn't an asset someone has on his side. It's a valuable asset someone can use. THey can use Ace. Blackbeard isn't someone they're using now to get Whitebeard, his individual role in the situation is done, his only further role as far as Whitebeard is concerned is his collective role as part of the Shichibukai.
Lol, you`ve got a funny reading comprehension. The entire Ace capture thing is the trigger for the upcoming war so it most definitely is not the trump card.
Did you just skim through that part of the post?
Skim through what? I gave something I considered a fitting response. Be more precise when you make borderline offensive posts.
I'd say the way it was presented, it was common knowledge that Kuma was the only loyal member. This only confirms what seemed clear during the earlier Shichibukai meeting and Smoker's comments in regards to them.
Well that's speculation from your point of view that has no clear evidence in the manga. "They believe in the Shichibukai" however is a clear statement for the opposing interpretation, so for now, we have no clues that the WG knows that Kuma is the only loyal guy. As I said before, they'd be stupid to give previleges to guys about whom they know they are not loyal.
It might be, there are also plenty of other possibilities. I don't think that's exactly the most likely scenario. As I don't see someone like Mihawk wanting to fight eliminate Whitebeard. And I said the same thing in my previous posts that you disregarded just in regards to other pirates against the Navy HQ. They might take the oppurtinity to make a name for themselves.
Who might take the opportunity to make a name for themselves? The Shichibukai or the remaining Yonkoh? If it is the Shichibukai, then you actually agree with me, because in order to profit from the situation Whitebeard has to fall first. So of course they would fight alongside the WG for their own motives.
I agree with you on the Mihawk front. I also don't see him fighting Whitebeard with what we know so far, but the fact remains that we've seen so little of him that we can't eliminate that possibility for sure. So if it somehow fits his attitude, he might join the fights too, just because boredom.
To sum it up, the World Government is taking too much of a risk without good enough reason in doing so if the situation is as you say it is.
What do you mean without good enough a reason? The Yonkoh are a real problem for them. If the Gorosei are willing to even revive an Ancient Weapon just to bring an end to the pirate age then you have the evidence black on white why it is a good reason for them. And if they successfully take on Whitebeard it means that they can take on the remaining three crews too.
Lol, you`ve got a funny reading comprehension. The entire Ace capture thing is the trigger for the upcoming war so it most definitely is not the trump card.
You laugh at my post and insult me yet you talk abut me being offensive when asking a question?
It's a trigger as far as the manga's plot goes. It's a trump card for the World Government.That's the way I interpret it and that's appearnatly the way other translators have also.
Skim through what? I gave something I considered a fitting response. Be more precise when you make borderline offensive posts.
I clearly asked if you skimmed through my post. I don't see how it's offensive to make a valid question. I wasn't being sarcastic as that response didn't seem to be fitting. For one, you only talked about the Emperors hepling Whitebeard which I explicitly stated was the least likely group, and that there were others far more likely that the World Government would factor in. Yet you ignored all that but merely repeated the point that I quoted. And that was even when I was clarifying myself due to you making assumptions the previous post also.
Well that's speculation from your point of view that has no clear evidence in the manga. "They believe in the Shichibukai" however is a clear statement for the opposing interpretation, so for now, we have no clues that the WG knows that Kuma is the only loyal guy. As I said before, they'd be stupid to give previleges to guys about whom they know they are not loyal.
That's speculation of course, but I think it's well founded. It has only been explicitly stated by Moria. I think most would agree on that point. What's there to suggest that isn't the case that's not related to what you think about the current situation?
Who might take the opportunity to make a name for themselves? The Shichibukai or the remaining Yonkoh? If it is the Shichibukai, then you actually agree with me, because in order to profit from the situation Whitebeard has to fall first. So of course they would fight alongside the WG for their own motives.
I have stated many times already (both in this post and my previous ones) that I mean people not part of the World Powers, otherwise they wouldn't be
as inclined in becoming famous as they already are.
And even then, the Emperors can profit greatly by the Navy HQ falling, it's not like they do not pose a threat to the Emperors.
What do you mean without good enough a reason? The Yonkoh are a real problem for them. If the Gorosei are willing to even revive an Ancient Weapon just to bring an end to the pirate age then you have the evidence black on white why it is a good reason for them. And if they successfully take on Whitebeard it means that they can take on the remaining three crews too.
My point isn't that they're a problem for them. It's that if the World Government is as outmatched as you say it is. The risk is essentially just as great, it's not as opportunate as you think it is using your own opinion on the matter. Making their current action pointless, they're just risking the destruction of the World Government when they would have a much better chance just waiting for Whitebeard to die out or something.
And defeating Whitebeard doesn't mean that they leave unharmed. Again, if they are only as strong as Whitebeard's crew. Then that means even if they win, they'd take extremely heavy lossess themselves. Even greater losses if not all the Shichibukai or Navy HQ in the world come (which you say is neccessary to be balanced out with just one Emperor.) Meaning that afterwards, any other Emperor can swoop in and wipe them out.
You laugh at my post and insult me yet you talk abut me being offensive when asking a question?
Yeah you're right, I'm sorry. Let's just drop it here because this discussion obviously isn't goin anywhere. Live long and prosper.
A trump card isn't an asset someone has on his side. It's a valuable asset someone can use. THey can use Ace. Blackbeard isn't someone they're using now to get Whitebeard, his individual role in the situation is done, his only further role as far as Whitebeard is concerned is his collective role as part of the Shichibukai.
I think you're missing what hogback said before absaloms comment.
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Hogback: …They said Kuma came here to tell us of the replacement for Crocodile's seat in the Seven Armed Seas...
But that wasn't the crazy part.
The new guy's some fella named Blackbeard, but you should hear what he DID!!
Read that article.
Absalom: Whitebeard Pirates, 2nd Squad Commander "Fire Fist Ace."
Imprisoned in Impel Down?!!
Isn't Ace famous for being one of Whitebeard's brightest young men? The government just drew a hell of a card!!!"
Hogback is talking about teach. What did teach do? he defeated Ace. Abasalom then proceeds to make a statement/rhetorical question. the rhetorical question eliminates Ace from being the card. It's like saying
Guy one: Did you hear what ray allen did in the finals!? here read this
Guy two: Kobe bryant pointless for 20 minutes! isn't kobe the league MVP? The Celtics just drew one hell of a card
SBS Corner
OH PLEASE ODA KILL SOMEONE FOR US WE NEED SOMEONE TO DIE TO MEET OUR EMO NEEDS IN YOUR UNREALISTIC CARTOON WORLD…OH GOOOD I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE PLEASE KILL... ~Arlong Park.
O: You know why no one dies? Because if Pell can survive a Freaking time bomb (at point blank range) capable of destroying an entire city, then why would anyone else die from a few cuts and bruises? =P
This SBS is over
I dunno if it's been mentioned but even if all the shichibukai go against whitebeard it doesn't mean anything, the WG may just want to absolutely crush WB, not have some fair fight.
They're using Ace as bait after all
Okay…..One of the Heart Pirates who nearly fell under Rayleigh's 'Haki'.....not even Usopp showed signs of loss of consciousness....Usopp the Nose Storm....that's all I'm saying.
Oh and Bege is a coward who deserves to get shaken.
And I hope Drake hangs about to check out which Admiral's gonna' join the party, and then we get to check out all why he got his bounty.
I'm guessing other than Bonney there'll be no more DF users. Guessing.
Seriously-_-
They're cowards because they don't want to fight a battle they know they will lose?
Oh and in case you haven't noticed both Kidd and Luffy screamed at the top of their lungs (well maybe not screamed) that they're getting the hell out of there as fast as they can so as to NOT fight the Admiral.
Does that make them cowards too? -_-
No that makes them ALL smart.
I rest my case.
Okay…..One of the Heart Pirates who nearly fell under Rayleigh's 'Haki'.....not even Usopp showed signs of loss of consciousness....Usopp the Nose Storm....that's all I'm saying.
I don't know why Usopp should have fallen victim to Rayleighs attack. He might be physically weak but even though he's a coward for the most time, he still has a strong fighting spirit. And from what Joz said, you have to be mentally prepared to handle that, so a strong spirit should work actually.
I rather wonder how Puppag could handle that. It has probably something to do with the entire sea creatures have to be tough to handle water pressure thing. :blink:
the three world powers are the MHQ (3 admirals,sengok), the Shichibukai (7 pirates and in some cases some crew members) and the yonkou ( 4 pirates and their crews).
these three powers are holding the world in balance, so i can't imagine that 1 yonkou is able to beat all the 7 shichibukai, or at least 6 of them, 'cause i don't think Mihawk is going to fight. The 7 Shichibukai are ment to be able to withdraw the power of the 4 yonkou, so i think 1 yonkou, even the probably strongest of them won't be able to beat all the 7 Shichibukai or at least 6 of them.
I think people fail to understand what our complaint is. We already know the Luffy and his crew have the immunity card for dying. We accept that. What we're complaining about is how Oda (In our opinions) has killed part of the suspense of his series. If cannon fodder characters with lame designs and no character development can survive, then what circumstance is required for someone to die. These are supposed to be some serious situations that characters encounter, yet, somehow they come out unscathed… and not only that... Oda goes out of his way to make sure he shows us that they're still alive. He could have left us guessing on so many occurrences, but he doesn't. It's gonna take a whole lot of convincing to get me to believe someone is really dead now in One Piece.
I used to think along the same lines but the more anime I watched and see characters die left and right I felt different about what Oda does. I think killing a character off is the easy way out. Also we become attched to some of the characters whether they are villains or not and have them just killed off would seriously make the story worse. Could you imagine OP where every1 that should have died did? Since everything will eventually tie into each other I think differently about characters dying. I don't like seeing characters I like die and it's cool to see the cover stories of what happens afterwards.
the three world powers are the MHQ (3 admirals,sengok), the Shichibukai (7 pirates and in some cases some crew members) and the yonkou ( 4 pirates and their crews).
these three powers are holding the world in balance, so i can't imagine that 1 yonkou is able to beat all the 7 shichibukai, or at least 6 of them, 'cause i don't think Mihawk is going to fight. The 7 Shichibukai are ment to be able to withdraw the power of the 4 yonkou, so i think 1 yonkou, even the probably strongest of them won't be able to beat all the 7 Shichibukai or at least 6 of them.
It's pretty much confirmed with the current events that one Yonkoh crew equals the other two powers.
Point one. If it would be: All Yonkoh = Marine HQ + All Shichibukai then the WG could have gotten rid of the Yonkoh long ago. The Yonkoh are not a co-operating group but direct enemies. If you take one crew down, then perhaps the three others will work together to save their lives. But if 4 Yonkoh equal the rest, then 3 of them will go under. So it simply can't work or otherwise the WG would have long ago started a war with Whitebeard.
Point two: Garps statement about Rayleigh. The WG is preparing with Marine HQ and Shichibukai to take on Whitebeard. And taking on two legends at the same time is a bad idea. If it would be "4 Yonkoh = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai" then Whitebeard and Rayleigh shouldn't be that much of a problem. After all, Rayleigh is not stronger then Whitebeard so he is either Yonkoh level or below that since he doesn't even have a crew for backup. And yet it is no option to take on two such guys on the same time. So I can't see how two guys of that level are a problem, but four guys of them not. Doesn't make much sense by my book.
It's pretty much confirmed with the current events that one Yonkoh crew equals the other two powers.
Point one. If it would be: All Yonkoh = Marine HQ + All Shichibukai then the WG could have gotten rid of the Yonkoh long ago. The Yonkoh are not a co-operating group but direct enemies. If you take one crew down, then perhaps the three others will work together to save their lives. But if 4 Yonkoh equal the rest, then 3 of them will go under. So it simply can't work or otherwise the WG would have long ago started a war with Whitebeard.
Point two: Garps statement about Rayleigh. The WG is preparing with Marine HQ and Shichibukai to take on Whitebeard. And taking on two legends at the same time is a bad idea. If it would be "4 Yonkoh = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai" then Whitebeard and Rayleigh shouldn't be that much of a problem. After all, Rayleigh is not stronger then Whitebeard so he is either Yonkoh level or below that since he doesn't even have a crew for backup. And yet it is no option to take on two such guys on the same time. So I can't see how two guys of that level are a problem, but four guys of them not. Doesn't make much sense by my book.
allright, you mentioned two good points there. I admit, I don't know what i should say against it.
Ivotas that makes no sense but We shall see soon. This bickering is going in circles, If this Emperor gets his nuts handed to him by a SINGLE Shichibukai in battle, I am going to laugh at the Arlong park franchise.
That makes perfect sense actually and it's what I thought for a long time.
Ivotas that makes no sense.
why not? i think it's making sense very well. Garp himself said, that the MHQ can't deal with two legend's at the same time, and he seems to know that rayleigh is ''alone''. even if i did'nt think in this direction, i must say that i admit his explanation
And next WILL be WB ! I don't think Oda can save his character this time.
Sadly that is who will died next most likely. :sad:
Oh wow, this topic's going in circles faster than ever.
Have you no lives to repeat the same iffy crap over and over again?
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It's extremely obvious that if Shanks, Whitebeard, the other two Yonkou, and Rayleigh are all in the fight that it would be a rather large problem for the World Government, you'd have to be stupid to say that it wouldn't be. Garp, who is arguably one of the most experienced Marines in the entire fleet, said that just TWO legends at once would be something that they couldn't "Afford", add four more legends and say it's trivial? Lol you can't do that. I'm with Ivotas on this. Hell, add Dragon on top of that? The world government is confident, but so far, you have to realize, they can't even stop Dragon, let alone the Yonkou. That's right, you think they haven't sent Kuma to deal with Dragon, but they have to deal with Luffy? BS, Dragon's force, for whatever reason, is thus far untouchable by any power the World Government has. Why do you really think they need Poseidon? To deal with the pirates? Yes, the pirates are a pest, but that is just a cover, Dragon is the greatest threat and the real reason they need the weapon. But you guys really think that the four pirate emperors being added on top of that problem wouldn't be a big deal?
I find it suspicious that they're having the Shichibukai deal with Whitebeard, it tells me that they await a greater threat, otherwise, why would Sengoku be against Kizaru leaving, if the admirals aren't even the one's dealing with Whitebeard in the first place?
It's canon that Dragon is the greatest threat to the World Government, it's obvious that to the greatest threat goes the greatest resources. In my opinion, from what we've seen of the Shichibukai and the fact that Luffy has defeated every one he's encountered, the four Yonkou are certainly stronger than the Shichibukai. If the Shichibukai can't hold the line and Dragon involves himself, they're in trouble.
In other words, friends, the real reason that Garp fears multiple legend interference is Dragon. He fears how his son will take advantage of the situation, that's why the Marine's can't afford to take huge losses even if the win. In other words, if the World Government WINS, but takes large losses, Dragon, Garp's son, comes into action. This is the real risk.****
I think you're missing what hogback said before absaloms comment.
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Hogback: …They said Kuma came here to tell us of the replacement for Crocodile's seat in the Seven Armed Seas...
But that wasn't the crazy part.
The new guy's some fella named Blackbeard, but you should hear what he DID!!
Read that article.Absalom: Whitebeard Pirates, 2nd Squad Commander "Fire Fist Ace."
Imprisoned in Impel Down?!!
Isn't Ace famous for being one of Whitebeard's brightest young men? The government just drew a hell of a card!!!"Hogback is talking about teach. What did teach do? he defeated Ace. Abasalom then proceeds to make a statement/rhetorical question. the rhetorical question eliminates Ace from being the card. It's like saying
Guy one: Did you hear what ray allen did in the finals!? here read this
Guy two: Kobe bryant pointless for 20 minutes! isn't kobe the league MVP? The Celtics just drew one hell of a card
The rhetorical question can also pertain to the directly preceding statement. So no it does not eliminate him from referring to Ace and I already explained why that wouldn't be as likely. Though in this case, it's probably best to look at a variety of translations as opposed to one since it's a matter of what the original text in another language says.
It true that it canon that Dragon is the greatest threat to the World Government and thus is more of a problem than even Whitebeard or Silvers.
His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.
It true that it canon that Dragon is the greatest threat to the World Government and thus is more of a problem than even Whitebeard or Silvers.
I'm not saying that Dragon is not super strong, but the reason why he is the worlds worst criminal is because his aim is to bring the WG down. So the problems are more on the idealistic side. Strenghtwise he might he could even be below Yonkoh level and still be the biggest threat just because of his ambition.
Time for some new discussion, Well when/if the Shichibukai beat The Whitebeard Pirates (Which is the strongest Yonkou Crew out of the four) I can say that the Yonkou will be in some deep ****.
