Regarding Law's fruit, I believe his sword has GOT to do something with it, I THINK he hold his sword when saying "Room", and when saying "Shambles" you can see his left hand bare but no sign of hsi right hand (with which he holds the sword) so it's safe to assume he still holds it. Also in the next pannel we see him still holding into it, yet sheathed this time. So I think his sword is the key to his DF abilities
Chapter 504 "Pirates Front Lines Moving"
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What myth? You mean "Yonkoh = Marine HQ = Shichibukai"? It's not that one particular person started it, it's just that the statements have been vague on that point so far that of course all possible different interpretations are thrown in for consideration.
No I mean the myth that Mihawk was a member of Whitebeard's crew?
His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.
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Ivotas I think it's:
1 Yonokou < WG + Shichibukai
BUT
2 Yonokou >= WH + ShichibukaiBecause you can see the WG worried about Shanks-WB chat but except for that you can see they're pretty calm and if 1 yonokou = WG + shichibukai I'd say they'd pee their pants.
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No I mean the myth that Mihawk was a member of Whitebeard's crew?
Well, the same explenation works. Whitebeards statement was so vague that all possible interpretations get thrown in. If Roger's and Newgate's crews fought often with each other, then it is a valid option that Mihawk and Shanks fought with each other on that ground. But at the same time it could have happened somewhere else.
I guess the reason why people take Mihawk to be a former crewmate of Newgate is because he strikes as a loner. It's hard to imagine him being the captain of a crew, but having him be a crewmember of somebody else isn't that impossible.
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Garp himself said that all the powers equaled one another, and that one Supernova commented that Blackbeard was a Trump Card and the one who would shift the balance of power.
ABSALOM said that ACE was a trump card and KUMA said BB might shift the balance.
I seriously don't know how you got that confused.
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So, does anybody have any idea on how Law's powers works?
It seems he detached the head of that marine without killing him.
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Here's hoping that we actually see what the fight between the Shichibukai and Whitebeard Pirates will be like. Plus, if it is, I can't wait to see what Jinbei looks like, and the one who we haven't seen yet.
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So, does anybody have any idea on how Law's powers works?
It seems he detached the head of that marine without killing him.
I wonder if Law's power would be effective against Buggy as well.Question; Who cares he has the sickest power in OP yet? :sick:
Gosh… Give me the days of Buggy and his Bara Bara no Mi already.
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Even though Capone, Bonney, Urouge, Hawkins, and Redflag decided to escape from the island while they still have the chance, I can't help but feel that they'll somehow get involved in this conflict.
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- The interesing memo here is that the marine says there are 13 bounty heads and 5 over 100 mils
Ok we have
- Luffy
- Zoro
- Kid
- Killer
- Law
Those are the 100+ ones leaving 8 more bounty dudes - Franky
- Nami
- Sanji
- Robin
- Brooke
I think Usopp aint acounted for cause they think its Sogeking…Choper must be ommited as well...perhaps from the above even Sanji is overlooked cause he still has the old poster...in that case we have 3-4 more bounties...we see Law with 3 nakamas...and I think we saw Kid with 4...so this raises speculation to who are the bountied...or who do Marines recognise at all...(memo here that one of the Law dudes is weaker since he does say he almost passed out...) the bear and the "cool" looking dude are fine...
Can i just say that you're wrong.
If Kuma referred to Usopp as Sogeking and the Marines said that Mugiwara were the only crew where all members had a bounty then that means that Usopp and Chopper were part of the thirteen which means.
Luffy +
Zoro +
Robin +
Sanji +
Franky +
Nami +
Usopp +
Brooke +
Chopper +
Law +
Kidd +
Killer =
twelve.So there's one more which is probably Rayleigh but if not. it's Law's fighter/second in command.
The world government are more than aware of who everyone in the crew is right now. That goes without question.
- The interesing memo here is that the marine says there are 13 bounty heads and 5 over 100 mils
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Actually Absalom was refering to Blackbeard as trump card for taking out somebody like Ace. ;)
I don't think Absalom commented on Blackbeard atall. Only Ace being a trumpcard for the World Government to "turn the pirate era over." Which is showing at the moment with Ace's execution possiby baiting Whitebeard.
As for people saying this chapter confirms 1 Emperor = Navy HQ + Shichibukai. That's making a lot of assumptions on the World Government's side. Mainly that they're stupid.
It's assuming that they think that Whitebeard is the only threat that they're going to face and that no one else is going to take advantage of it (unlikely given the reactions of everyone including Absalom and Hogback even before it was officially announced.) It's also assuming that they think all Shichibukai are going to come and/or Navy HQ that are policing quite a few nations around the world (which is false as we see them still on Sabaody.) Then the finally the assumption that makes the least sense, that they're gathering enough force just to give Whitebeard an even battle, as opposed to just gathering enough resources to overwhelm him completely. Though whether or not those assumptions are true should be clear soon enough assuming Oda does plan to show the battle. But if so, then the Government wouldn't be particularly intelligent unless they are able to gather every single one of thier resources and Whitebeard's crew alone matches them evenly.
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Kidds power can always be a variation of Kuma though I am favoring magnetism. As for Law, his power is probably from the same sub category as Blueno's which kinda of manipulating space. Blueno's "Door" and Law's "Room" kinda make me wonder if there is a "Window" or "Floor" or "Wall" kind of devil fruit ;)
As for Kizaru's troop, from the marine reaction their obviously the kinda of psychopathic blood thirsty group which are more like a mercenary than a proper disciplined troops. Which will make them cool. -
Can i just say that you're wrong.
If Kuma referred to Usopp as Sogeking and the Marines said that Mugiwara were the only crew where all members had a bounty then that means that Usopp and Chopper were part of the thirteen which means.
Luffy +
Zoro +
Robin +
Sanji +
Franky +
Nami +
Usopp +
Brooke +
Chopper +
Law +
Kidd +
Killer =
twelve.So there's one more which is probably Rayleigh but if not. it's Law's fighter/second in command.
The world government are more than aware of who everyone in the crew is right now. That goes without question.
I don' t think they know who Brooke is. Brooke isn't one of the 13 for sure.
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With powers like Law's, Bruno's, Brook's, Oda needs to make a New Division of Devil Fruit Because they do not fit in with Paramecia
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Wow, so that's Oda's goal? Shichibukai VS WB? Very VERY interesting. Wonder how he intends to handle that and involve the SH crew, if at all. Hooray for Flamingo linked to the auction. I was getting worried about that symbol starting to show up everywhere.
Not really impressed by the new powers. I'm sure Law's was intended to blow us away but I was too busy thinking, "Okay, so how is Oda going to make it so this Marine is perfectly fine?"
On the same note, ENORMOUS LULZ to the pirate that bit off his tongue being alive.
Oda is officially starting to hurt his story.
Great to see Kizaru coming out, I've been pulling for him to do so since we first heard about the option this arc.
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Actually, to be fair, we still can't assume 1 yonkou = WG + Shichibukai
It's more like WB = WG + Shichibukai
I know it's said that the yonkou are roughly similar in terms of power, but WB probably has the largest crew. We know Shanks only has one crew and not an army, that's his style. So how is he on an somewhat equal footing with WB? Quality over quanitity.
I think that if it was Shanks declaring war on WG instead of WB, the WG wouldn't neccesarily need to mobilize the entire army to deal with fodder pirates of WB's (who might even be decent level compared to the rest of em) but rather would bring their top brass only. So it would be like…admirals/vice admirals + Shichibukai going up against shanks. If the rookie of the crew has a 94 mil bounty, you gotta assume the rest are above 100 million as well.
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On the same note, ENORMOUS LULZ to the pirate that bit off his tongue being alive.
What I understood from this whole pirate biting his own tongue was that he merely fainted from the lack of blood and the people at the auction house stopped the bleeding. If i remember correctly they said that he would be sold at a later date.
The best scene in this chapter was the first panel with Sengoku…He seems SO aggravated by Luffy "...That little brat again...!! It's just one thing after the next...!!"
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If i remember correctly they said that he would be sold at a later date.
They also beat 'merchandise' and cover their bruises with clothing. They were bullshitting.
OP has become Looney Tunes. When Vivi comes parading back into the story she'll be riding on the backs of the Kicking Claw Squad and the circle will be complete.
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Wow, so that's Oda's goal? Shichibukai VS WB? Very VERY interesting. Wonder how he intends to handle that and involve the SH crew, if at all. Hooray for Flamingo linked to the auction. I was getting worried about that symbol starting to show up everywhere.
Not really impressed by the new powers. I'm sure Law's was intended to blow us away but I was too busy thinking, "Okay, so how is Oda going to make it so this Marine is perfectly fine?"
On the same note, ENORMOUS LULZ to the pirate that bit off his tongue being alive.
Oda is officially starting to hurt his story.
Great to see Kizaru coming out, I've been pulling for him to do so since we first heard about the option this arc.
They also beat 'merchandise' and cover their bruises with clothing. They were bullshitting.
OP has become Looney Tunes. When Vivi comes parading back into the story she'll be riding on the backs of the Kicking Claw Squad and the circle will be complete.
Greg is officially getting sick of One Piece -_- For a stupid reason at that.
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They also beat 'merchandise' and cover their bruises with clothing. They were bullshitting.
OP has become Looney Tunes. When Vivi comes parading back into the story she'll be riding on the backs of the Kicking Claw Squad and the circle will be complete.
hahaha… while I'm with you, there are actually the few scenes in One Piece e.g. with shanks, that show that there is some form of death in One Piece. I'm holding out for this war with Whitebeard and World Government. If at least one person doesn't croak with all three great powers colliding, then there's no hope left for death in One Piece.
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Oda was simply present when they had a huge garage sale of character shields.
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Well, there is just one slight question regarding Fishman Island that is currently bugging me. How the heck are they going to breathe when they get down there?!. I can understand that they were able to breathe in Sky Island but under the water? ^^ I am really looking forward to what Oda will do about that :P As I doubt that the crew is going to get coated aswell.
One thing I thought about is that the ship could be emerged in a bubble similar to the ones of the Archeplago, as Hachi said that they have similar bubbles down at Fishman Island when Luffy wanted to buy one. Would be neat if somehow the Island would be one giant bubble once they get down there to allow surface inhabitants to breathe down there :DEdit: Sorry for being a bit off -topic ^^
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People who complain about the lack of deaths in One Piece are people who orgasm over cheap low rent drama. Their opinion is meaningless. Thank you Oda for making and keeping this manga light hearted while at the same time touching deep subjects
And by the way the pirate that bit his tongue is a "devious tactician". He obviously faked it
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Garp said that the Yonkoh can be equaled by the Marine HQ and the Shichibukai. And until now it was so vague that many people thought it would be Yonkoh = Marine HQ = Shichibukai, which if you have followed the discussions was already questioned by some members. And with this chapter it is evident that it is Yonkoh = Marine HQ + Shichibukai.
Furthermore Garps statement about Rayleigh indicates that it would be a bad idea to take on two legends at the same time. So this means that if Whitebeard and Rayleigh together are too much for everything the WG's side can throw at them, then most definitely four guys of such level are superior to the WG's side.
So the only logic conclusion is: 1 Yonkoh crew = Marine HQ + Shichibukai. After all, the Yonkoh are the worlds most strongest pirates aswell as free pirates. Thus they are direct opponents to each other. So it wouldn't make sense to consider them a group that works together.
I think not. If what you say is truth then why was "Moria once an equal to Kaidou?" That is a single Shichibukai on an Emperor's level.Why was Shanks (An Emperor) and Mihawk ( A shichibukai) "deadly rivals" and had "legendary Duels all the time?" Why did Blackbeard (A Shichibukai) injure Emperor Shanks "without his devil fruit powers?" Blackbeard wasted Whitebeard's 2nd in command Ace SOUNDLY_._ Why when Kuma told Moria the hole has been filled Moria stated "the balance of the world is maintained" but Kuma states he "feels quite the opposite." Heck, Absolam even said the government "just drew a hell of a card!!!"
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Actually, to be fair, we still can't assume 1 yonkou = WG + Shichibukai
It's more like WB = WG + Shichibukai
No no no, it's: 4 Yonkus = WG + Shichibukais !
That's why the WG can still send one admiral on the island, why Garp can go there too, and why Doflamingo is so confident about taking WB down. And about the new era: when WB will be down, the balance between the powers will be changed, and because the WG+Shichibukai will also lose a lot of forces, it means that some people may benefit from the disorder to accomplish their bad design. BB plan is on its way, WB is making his biggest mistake by attacking the WG "alone" (without the other yonkus). If it was the WG that attacked first any yonku, then the other 3 would have reacted and made alliance with him, but not it WB is attacking first. And WB losing means that the pirates will have a hard time from then, and the pirate era will come to its end. Though the new era.
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Great Chapter.
I must say the upcoming battle/war is very interesting…then we´ll know once for all how this balance of the powers really is. I think they are all this hyped up cuz they fight against Whitebeard and not because he´s a Yonkou- I mean if it were another Yonkou (like Kaidou or Shanks for example) they wouldn´t be that worried (this is pure speculation of course,though I´d find it funny that only one of the Yonkou = WG + Shichibukai)
The captain trio is just awesome and I can´t wait for the next chapters.
And about that guy not dying,who the f*** cares anyway?it doesn´t have any impact on the story,so why should one care about that kind of stuff?I´m sure that if a death is needed (like the Ace execution or WB dying by BB´s hand) Oda is gonna do it (..or I could be wrong ,of course :P ) -
No no no, it's: 4 Yonkus = WG + Shichibukais !
That's why the WG can still send one admiral on the island, why Garp can go there too, and why Doflamingo is so confident about taking WB down.
Nah, an admiral can leave cause it was said that the "Royal Shichibukai vs the Whitebeard pirates" not the Marines + Shichibukai vs Whitebeard pirates. Plus the Marines and Shichibukai are "two conflicting groups of equal power" and they don't work together.
BTW, I AM GLAD ODA DOESN'T KILL HIS CHARACTERS!!!!
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I think not. If what you say is truth then why was "Moria once an equal to Kaidou?" That is a single Shichibukai on an Emperor's level.Why was Shanks (An Emperor) and Mihawk ( A shichibukai) "deadly rivals" and had "legendary Duels all the time?" Why did Blackbeard (A Shichibukai) injure Emperor Shanks "without his devil fruit powers?" Blackbeard wasted Whitebeard's 2nd in command Ace SOUNDLY_._ Why when Kuma told Moria the hole has been filled Moria stated "the balance of the world is maintained" but Kuma states he "feels quite the opposite." Heck, Absolam even said the government "just drew a hell of a card!!!"
I agree….I get the feeling that its 4 yonkou = 7 shichibukai = millions of marines
therefore 7 shichibukai + couple admirals would completely pwn WB.this is slightly off topic, but cine law's symbol has no slash, would that mean that he could be like doflamingo's adversary or something? As in, Law believes in the age of smiles, and doflamingo believes that its over.
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@VL7:
You know what the funny thing is(and I actually am laughing about it:happy:), as One Piece went on I actually kept putting my standards for when I'll believe someone is dead higher and higher. But now I see a guy on-screen having his head fully seperated from the rest of his body and he's still alive. I don't think I can set my standards any higher.
I exhibit a session of DBZ to you. There are ppl. Sliced half and the planet they stand on is blown to smithereens. Of course they will survive!
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@Mondo:
People who complain about the lack of deaths in One Piece are people who orgasm over cheap low rent drama. Their opinion is meaningless. Thank you Oda for making and keeping this manga light hearted while at the same time touching deep subjects
Lack of death does not make it light hearted as it clearly isn't light-hearted at moments. Nor is it simply lack of death, but building on a deaeth and making it dramatic only for it to turn out to be false.
And by the way the pirate that bit his tongue is a "devious tactician". He obviously faked it
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And with this chapter it is evident that it is Yonkoh = Marine HQ + Shichibukai.
No.
If the Whitebeard crews get owned by the Shichibukai, I guess that would mean Shichibukai > Whitebeard wouldn't it? You can't claim anything beyond Yonkou = Shichibukai = Marine HQ until we actually see fighting, Garp's statement is the only reliable bit of info we have right now.
de Flamingo didn't mention anything about the Marine Admirals getting involved with the war against the Whitebeard Pirates, but from the Marines mobilizing we can surmise they're preparing something. Until it's confirmed the Marine HQ will be joining the Shichibukai I'm not one to go so far as to say the Whitebeard Pirates are stronger than both, the might as well be weaker than both and will get crushed by the combined force.
So this means that if Whitebeard and Rayleigh together are too much for everything the WG's side can throw at them, then most definitely four guys of such level are superior to the WG's side.
All Garp's statement meant was the Marines are risking the lives of powerful officers by trying to take on Rayleigh on top of Whitebeard, not that both were beyond the World Government's ability to handle. Not the Marine's for that matter, taking down Rayleigh could ensure a loss to Whitebeard, which says more about Rayleigh's power and not WB's.
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I am pretty sure that Aokiji and Akianu are not fighting Whitebeard and is only on standby at the moment.
His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.
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Oh My Lord. Might be a day or so out, but just read 504, I 'WTF'd' to myself from page 16 to 20. So good. Oda, seriously we always said you were unpredictable, but Luffy teaming up with the two nastiest looking supernovas. WOW. Doflamingo's 'business' has finally been revealed, the Auction house sign was Doflamingo's sign!
Kizaru. Doflamingo. Rayleigh. Kidd. Kidd's mate with the stiches around his mouth. Another Giant waiting to do something nice for the Mugiwara.
Wow. Just wow.
The only bit I didn't get…... When did Capone Bege get his ship coated???
And did Apoo repeat himself like a remix, or was it just repetition in a state of shock.
Oda's overloaded us with the finest combination of new information, new characters, but with a fair handful of good old fashioned adventure, a new plot to develop (War, mateys), upcoming action, and the most well deserved punch ever to Charlos' snotty face, even better than Bellamy, on pure 'He deserved that' levels.
This arc is better than Water 7 so far, Fishman Island.....that's gonna be one mega arc, from the amount of palpitations per page I've had over the last couple chapters....I can not truly explain Oda's genius.
Wow. 504.
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If Kuma referred to Usopp as Sogeking and the Marines said that Mugiwara were the only crew where all members had a bounty then that means that Usopp and Chopper were part of the thirteen which means.
Luffy +
Zoro +
Robin +
Sanji +
Franky +
Nami +
Usopp +
Brooke +
Chopper +
Law +
Kidd +
Killer =
twelve.So there's one more which is probably Rayleigh but if not. it's Law's fighter/second in command.
The world government are more than aware of who everyone in the crew is right now. That goes without question.
I seriously doubt they are counting Brooke.
Chopper is considered a pet rather than a crew member AND if he's in any other form than on the picture of his bounty they may not think it is him.(Not to you, but to whoever was saying that the numbers don't add up since the crews are able to stand up to intimidation aura. )
Besides, it is fully believable that not many crew members in Law's/Kidd's crews have bounties. They are still rookies. One of the members in Law's nearly fainted showing sign of weakness and most likely does not have a bounty.
Also, bounties are not always just a sign of strength. Sanji has proved his strength many times over before finally getting his own bounty. Members in Law's and Kidd's crews could have stood up to the intimidation without having bounties. Like pre-bounty Sanji, they may be strong but have not shown their level of danger to the government. Remember that Kidd's crew is known for attacking civilians, not government officials or marines thus are not as wanted by marines entirely as a crew.
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No.
If the Whitebeard crews get owned by the Shichibukai, I guess that would mean Shichibukai > Whitebeard wouldn't it? You can't claim anything beyond Yonkou = Shichibukai = Marine HQ until we actually see fighting, Garp's statement is the only reliable bit of info we have right now.
Then why do you need the shichibukai. Most of them are beaten pirates who use the WG. They ain't ****.
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Then why do you need the shichibukai. Most of them are beaten pirates who use the WG. They ain't ****.
May be its coz, if the WG didn't have the shichibukai the Marines would be overwhelmed by the Pirates. If they as in shichibukai where not shichibukai, what do you think they would be doing? Corc may have been beaten, but Moria was ready to make a come back, and Blackbeard does not look like he was beaten, same goes for the rest like Mihawk, Doflamingo, until more info is provided.
I agree with Malintex.
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Im glad Oda doesn't kill of characters.
But unless the head returns to the body, that guy who was in Law's Room is dead ._.
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There's been lots of comments about who among the Strawhats is or isn't recognized as a bounty head, but does anyone think someone among the Kidd/Heart pirates might be unrecognized?
I know it's not that likely, I'm just throwing the idea out there.
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Then why do you need the shichibukai.
May be its coz, if the WG didn't have the shichibukai the Marines would be overwhelmed by the Pirates. If they as in shichibukai where not shichibukai, what do you think they would be doing?
I also think that however strong the MHQ may be, most of its forces are still needed to protect the vicinity of Mariejoa (enies lobby[lol], impel down, shabondy) at the doorstep of the new world. Not only are the yonkou a permanent threat but every pirate crew sailing to the new world is coming through there as well. The admirals just can't afford to travel all around the grand line so the Shichibukai are needed in any case.
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I don't think Absalom commented on Blackbeard atall. Only Ace being a trumpcard for the World Government to "turn the pirate era over." Which is showing at the moment with Ace's execution possiby baiting Whitebeard.
Just checked Stephen's script on that part. And here there isn't even a mention of a trump card so that would be that.
It's assuming that they think that Whitebeard is the only threat that they're going to face and that no one else is going to take advantage of it (unlikely given the reactions of everyone including Absalom and Hogback even before it was officially announced.)
Apparently the Yonkoh are free and independend super strong pirates who rule the seas like emperors. Being that strong there's no need to form alliances among each other. And since they are all free pirates they are direct opponents. So it's not like it should be expected that the WB Pirates ally themselves with one of the other crews. One point why the WG doesn't strike as stupid.
It's also assuming that they think all Shichibukai are going to come and/or Navy HQ that are policing quite a few nations around the world (which is false as we see them still on Sabaody.)
Why is it stupid to expect all the troops to come? They gave the Shichibukai special privileges which they don't do for free but obviously do in order to get something in return. The WG would actually be stupid if they'd have created the Shichibukai without having any faith in that group. Again, no argument for them being stupid.
Then the finally the assumption that makes the least sense, that they're gathering enough force just to give Whitebeard an even battle, as opposed to just gathering enough resources to overwhelm him completely.
The thing though that makes the difference here is Teach. The entire balance thing was intact while Crocodile was a Shichibukai. Now, with Teach it already has been indicated that the balance seems to work in the WG's favor. Ace may be just one guy, but still him taken down is already a decrease in Whitebeards forces. And the guy responsible for it is on the WG's side. The WG would be stupid to not consider this a chance to actually overwhelm Whitebeard.
So when it all comes together, the "1 Yonkoh Crew = Marine HQ + all Shichibukai" thing actually applies to the pre-Teach version of the balance. Teach as future final antagonist is what breaks the entire thing IMO. But before him the balance should have worked that way. Makes the most sense with everything that has been said so far.
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I see the Shichibukai as the first line of defense for the WG. To them the Shichibukai are expendable and can be replaced. People are going to go down on both sides, and in the WG's eyes why have marines "die"? It's a better choice to send pirates to do battle with pirates.
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Finally got a chance to read it earlier, loved it. Anyway…
They all different had reactions regarding news of Luffy's attack on Charloss which further gives them their own personalities. Seeing what each of the individual Supernovas not in the auction house thought of it is nice since they're not simply split into: "I can take on whatever Admiral shows!" or "Let's get the hell out here!"
Kizaru's "appearance" and nonchalant attitude about dealing with the rookies was awesome as well. No one in Saobady Archipelago is strong enough to challenge him sans Rayleigh I think which if the latter ends up holding him off as the Strawhats set out for Fishman Island will be a great scene if it happens.
I'm still holding out on that axe-guy bounty hunter taking out one of the Supernovas since it'll at least show some strong characters in that field. As many members have said in past chapters, I'm sure not all these guys will make it to Fishman island due to different circumstances. Now all that's left is who it will be and how it will happen.
If everything goes right this might end up becoming my favorite arc.:happy:
The thing though that makes the difference here is Teach. The entire balance thing was intact while Crocodile was a Shichibukai. Now, with Teach it already has been indicated that the balance seems to work in the WG's favor. Ace may be just one guy, but still him taken down is already a decrease in Whitebeards forces. And the guy responsible for it is on the WG's side. The WG would be stupid to not consider this a chance to actually overwhelm Whitebeard.
So when it all comes together, the "1 Yonkoh Crew = Marine HQ + all Shichibukai" thing actually applies to the pre-Teach version of the balance. Teach as future final antagonist is what breaks the entire thing IMO. But before him the balance should have worked that way. Makes the most sense with everything that has been said so far.
Exactly!
I mean why now of all times would the World Government publicly declare war and upset the balance when they themselves are the ones who consider it so important to keep each respective power in check? Blackbeard is the one factor that tips the scales on the Marines/World Government's side even if only a little. These organizations wouldn't make such a bold move if they weren't confident they would win.
Luffy and Blackbeard are the two who will change the status quo of the One Piece world so to think Blackbeard would lose here is simply ridiculous.
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I see the Shichibukai as the first line of defense for the WG. To them the Shichibukai are expendable and can be replaced. People are going to go down on both sides, and in the WG's eyes why have marines "die"? It's a better choice to send pirates to do battle with pirates.
You mean like Operation-Human-Shield from South Park? Makes sense.^^
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I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Did you actually read it? He exactly says that the WG pulled one hell of a card by capturing Ace.
Smurf, that's what happens when you stay awake for several days. Well thanks for bringing that to my attention.^^
Well ok, then my original point stands. Interpeting Ace to be the trump card is a hell of a stretch imo. But then again, I should go to sleep and see if I still think so tomorrow. Night. XD
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Just checked Stephen's script on that part. And here there isn't even a mention of a trump card so that would be that.
"Isn't Ace famous? … the government drew one hell of a card ..." and combined with how other translators chose to translate it, it's clear that Ace is the card. Much more of a stretch to assume it's Blackbeard than Ace in my opinion.
Apparently the Yonkoh are free and independend super strong pirates who rule the seas like emperors. Being that strong there's no need to form alliances among each other. And since they are all free pirates they are direct opponents. So it's not like it should be expected that the WB Pirates ally themselves with one of the other crews. One point why the WG doesn't strike as stupid.
It's not about allying themselves. Though they very well could ally themselves temporarily (as enemies due when it suits them realistically.) It's a matter of taking a chance dealing a blow to the World Government when they have the chances. The Revolutionaries would be the biggest candidate for that. I made no reference to Emperors specifically as I'd actually think they'd be less likely than other random stong pirates hoping to make a name for themselves.
Why is it stupid to expect all the troops to come? They gave the Shichibukai special privileges which they don't do for free but obviously do in order to get something in return. The WG would actually be stupid if they'd have created the Shichibukai without having any faith in that group. Again, no argument for them being stupid.
It's stupid to expect a group that has only one know loyal member to come. And even more so to actually revolve the plan around all the members coming to as you seem to think, just match the opponent when if one is unable to come even for reasons not related to loyalty, they'd lose.
The Shichibukai's existance doesn't rely on having faith in them following every order.
The thing though that makes the difference here is Teach. The entire balance thing was intact while Crocodile was a Shichibukai. Now, with Teach it already has been indicated that the balance seems to work in the WG's favor. Ace may be just one guy, but still him taken down is already a decrease in Whitebeards forces. And the guy responsible for it is on the WG's side. The WG would be stupid to not consider this a chance to actually overwhelm Whitebeard.
Given how Whitebeard would've went after Blackbeard either way (Shichibukai or not), they should be aware that the other Emperors themselves would've made a move assuming there was some stalemate in the New World. Others could've at least weakened Whitebeard even further as to facing them in a match that you think they need every single resource just to match him, and if one is missing, it'd be an end to their 800-year rule.
Even if they imagined the worst case scenario with no one taken an advantage of Whitebeard's abscense, it'd be less of a risk to let him continue living and wait till he dies than attacking him now. He clearly is the central figure of the group.
