Yeah but he didn't have that neck when he was younger. Unless longnecks grow their necks over time.
Possible. But, given his very reptilian features, it's the only race that seems most likely at this point.
Dude, It's The Moria-Kaidou-Luffy Thread
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yeah it makes sense
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I wonder if Oda is setting up Drake and Moria for both of them to play an important role on the the upcoming Kaidou arc
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@Zik:
Last I checked Magellan has horns
[qimg]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091107013603/onepiece/images/b/b4/Mazeran.PNG[/qimg]
or are those detachable?
Different kind of horns but horns nonetheless.
Yeah, they detach and he has little (assumed) hair tassles underneath. Purely cosmetic.
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It looks pretty clear to me that Kaidou is stronger than Moria in the present.
They may have been rivals in the past, and on par in strength then, but like how Shanks and Mihawk were once rivals years ago, it's obvious who the stronger between those two is currently.
Someone mentioned that it requires(d) 7 Shichibukai to balance out the 4 Yonkou.
If one of the Shichibukai was near or on par with a Yonkou's power, it'd honestly make no sense to me.
As for Luffy… there are just too many possible scenarios where he or Moria would be the victor. And Kaidou vs Luffy is just a complete unknown right now. I'd assume Kaidou is much stronger considering he was going to intercept Whitebeard before he reached Marineford. Kaidou would have likely been killed (again though, we don't know anything about Kaidou), but I doubt he'd have randomly decided to go after Whitebeard without some chance of winning.
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A argument I made in favor of Moria being dead was to ask what role he could play in the story that was something only he could do which wasn't fanservicey that retrospectively justified Moria not dying at Marineford.
My question still stands.
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A argument I made in favor of Moria being dead was to ask what role he could play in the story that was something only he could do which wasn't fanservicey that retrospectively justified Moria not dying at Marineford.
My question still stands.
That's a good question. If even he gets back in shape, starts a new crew, etc. what exactly is he going to do? Lose to Kaidou again, and die? Lose to Luffy again, but tells of Kaidou afterwords? I mean, he doesn't even need to be there for the flashback. During the metting, have someone in the SH's say "Hey, I've heard of that name before!" and then the flashback.
And also, him living brings down Doflamingo's, almost assuredly a future villain, competence. That WG guy even said Doflamingo did a bad job. I know Oda doesn't like to kill people off, as they serve a future role, but really, Moria should have been.
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Moria will appear in the New World just like Crocodile. What happens there is all up to Oda-sensei
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A argument I made in favor of Moria being dead was to ask what role he could play in the story that was something only he could do which wasn't fanservicey that retrospectively justified Moria not dying at Marineford.
My question still stands.
I don't know why that was even an argument for his death. People just got fooled into thinking Oda changed his style because of Ace and Whitebeard's deaths.
Why are Bon Clay, Sabo, Gin and countless others going to appear again when they can just die? Why do we need to see Crocodile and Capone again when Luffy already has other rivals? It's just a lot more fun that way. Hell I think it's so satisfying how old story elements keep getting connected to new ones. Using a familiar character for another purpose might count as fanservicey, but I doubt Oda cares, and why should we when it's done so well? …Moria had a future story element linked to him long ago anyway, so why are people so baffled at him having any sort of relevance.
And does anyone seriously think this will make Dofla less dangerous or intimidating in future. How was he supposed to know about the invisible man?
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I seriously hope Kaidou has a Dragon Devil Fruit Ability
Randy "Macho Man" Savage voice.
"Your going no where! I got your for the rest of your life!"
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Was Pell surviving good writing.
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One thing i never got was how could moria fight on par with kaidou when moria is obviously weak. I know he has meant to have gotten lazy and old but just look at garp and rayleigh. Im kinda glad moria is alive but the wg were stupid for claiming he was dead
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Was Pell surviving good writing.
Every time I see someone talk about how horrible One Piece is, the reasons they have always look something like this:
"Why does OP suck??? Well, let's see. First of all, Pell Survived. Okay?? Second…well...there was that time when Pell didn't die. PLUS, let's not forget that....how-.....you know who survived? PELL."
Was it good writing? In the long run, yes. One can say Oda was setting up and enforcing his "No characters die" rule so that Ace's death would have more of an impact.
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^I never understood all the focus on Pell when Igaram surviving was just as ridiculous imo.
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One thing i never got was how could moria fight on par with kaidou when moria is obviously weak. I know he has meant to have gotten lazy and old but just look at garp and rayleigh. Im kinda glad moria is alive but the wg were stupid for claiming he was dead
They were rivals (fought on par) years ago. I doubt Kaidou was a Yonkou at the time, just like I doubt Shanks was a Yonkou when he and Mihawk were rivals.
If I'm wrong though, feel free to correct me anyone.
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i think moria was taken by dragon i mean look from dragons perspective one of the seven warlords just got double crossed save his ass and build up a nice little army. i think dragons fruit may b a wind wind fruit aswell making it so he can go invisable. but this is all speculation soooooooooooooooooooo morias allive and is gunna b a revolutionary
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If Luffy could kick Morias a** then Kaidou will kick Morias a** plain and simple
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
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Pell surviving was bad writing.
Oda went through the effort of putting a big scene about how Pell was making a major sacrifice and promptly did so. And he popped up later on.
And Pell still hasn't done aything to retrospectively justify not killing. And he never will.
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If Luffy could kick Morias a** then Kaidou will kick Morias a** plain and simple
…............. well i'm sure he could but the whole point is moria got lazy and became weaker because his hopes were crushed and he had a cushy job well now moria again has to start from point 0 and make his way up your looking at one piece to linear like since luffy beat croc croc can't beat lucci who almost killed luffy when he was stronger then before, that shit don't work here, everyone should keep improving except buggy whose meant to be weak
moria was never stated to have lost strength but being human beings we can determine this by using logic, i really don't want to have to explain things so basic so if your really confused just ask someone else
but one piece doesn't work the way you just made it seem like once i beat him he can never beat someone stronger than me now except for a few examples like buggy and mr. 3
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Pell surviving was bad writing.
Oda went through the effort of putting a big scene about how Pell was making a major sacrifice and promptly did so. And he popped up later on.
And Pell still hasn't done aything to retrospectively justify not killing. And he never will.
What's Pell got to do with anything lol
You brought him up to say he survived even though he's done nothing since. So why be surprised about Moria.
Or because he'll probably never show up but in cameos. But it's pretty obvious Moria will be used for more than that so what's the problem? -
But it's pretty obvious Moria will be used for more than that so what's the problem?
The problem here is, that a lot of people think that they know which character is going to be useful and not, in fact, they know it even better than Oda, the author himself.
"wah wah wah, Moria suriving is bad writing, he has no purpose for the story anymore, more dumb shit…"
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Moria as a revolutionary is just lulz considering what a piece of dick he is
Dragon wouldnt save as asshole like him and if he did Moria wouldnt stay to serve the revolution
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It's been said that Moria and Kaidou were once equals. However, Kaidou probably got stronger (or was already stronger to begin with? who knows), ultimately raping Moria and his crew.
Don't really remember that being said…was it one of the zombies? During the N.Luffy vs Odz fight?
Once one guy loses he is forever the weaker one. .
Don't agree with that logic,then that means Luffy will never get strong enough to fight Pacifists and the admirals. Which I highly doubt.
Crocodile lost to Luffy and he seemed to have been keeping up with stronger opponents in the war then what Luffy was fighting. You could say Luffy fought the admirals but then you could also say Luffy didn't do shit to either of the admirals.@iSheep:
The problem here is, that a lot of people think that they know which character is going to be useful and not, in fact, they know it even better than Oda, the author himself.
"wah wah wah, Moria suriving is bad writing, he has no purpose for the story anymore, more dumb shit…"
Shut the fuck up and wait.Awesome post.
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Don't really remember that being said…was it one of the zombies? During the N.Luffy vs Odz fight?
I believe that a marine said it after it became known Luffy had beaten Moria.
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I believe that a marine said it after it became known Luffy had beaten Moria.
If I remember right I thought that was kepted secret and not revealed.
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If I remember right I thought that was kepted secret and not revealed.
"He was once an equal to Kaidou, one of the Yonkou." and "Moria became a pirate whose powers could rival that of Kaidou, one of the Yonkou "
Source - Section 'Abilities and Powers' and section 'History - Life as a pirate'.So yeah, correct the wiki if I'm wrong
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It was said that Moria was equal to Kaidou, but it was said by a nameless marine grunt (hardly a reliable source) and Moria was seemingly deeply scarred from his encounter with Kaidou (which to me, give the appearance that Moria's ass-kicking from Kaidou wasn't a close deal), so take it with a grain of salt…
That being said, Moria could've grown weaker over the years thanks to his new and "improved self" (lazy, prefer to rely on the powers of his subordinates) and that he once actually was on par with Kaidou.
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"He was once an equal to Kaidou, one of the Yonkou." and "Moria became a pirate whose powers could rival that of Kaidou, one of the Yonkou "
Source - Section 'Abilities and Powers' and section 'History - Life as a pirate'.So yeah, correct the wiki if I'm wrong
Can you tell me what chapter I can read it from, I don't trust wiki that much.
It was said that Moria was equal to Kaidou, but it was said by a nameless marine grunt (hardly a reliable source) and Moria was seemingly deeply scarred from his encounter with Kaidou (which to me, give the appearance that Moria's ass-kicking from Kaidou wasn't a close deal), so take it with a grain of salt…
That being said, Moria could've grown weaker over the years thanks to his new and "improved self" (lazy, prefer to rely on the powers of his subordinates) and that he once actually was on par with Kaidou.
Where was it said xD? I'm only doubting this because I don't remember anything like this being said in the manga. Seems like good piece of info I shouldn't leave behind too. But I think something was similar said by a zombie fodder during the Moria/odz vs N.Luffy fight.
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Looking back, it was actually said by a pirate captain (top right panel), though I still give the statement the benefit of doubt…
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Looking back, it was actually said by a pirate captain (top right panel), though I still give the statement the benefit of doubt…
Thank you totally forgot about that, probably should reread one piece again :P.
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Bellamy had a great fruit. I really looked forward to that fight. Richochet versus rubber?
Too bad Bellamy sucked.
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I fell for Bellamy hook-line-and-sinker. But not as hard as I fall for you.
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I think that the nameless pirate fodder calling Moria Kaidou's equal is pretty much the same as Johnny saying Arlong is on par with Jimbei. Oda has weak or unreliable guys make these statements so the current boss is hyped, but it's easy to retract as exaggeration later in the story.
Moria obviously became weaker over the years as he relied on his zombies. But I can't even see their original duel being on equal terms - Moria speaks of the New World and his loss with far too much terror.
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I think it's becoming more and more of a fact that Moria became weak after whatever Kaidou did to him, he relies on his zombies to much, he's fat, he was useless during the war always screaming "I want that OZ's ancestor body!" and finally when he was fighting Donquixote, I can't even see a damn scratch on Dofla's body(oh I forgot about those pacifistas).
well I do believe he was definitely on equal terms with Kaidou back then, assuming Kaidou is still a normal pirate and not part of yonkou.
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Maybe Moria used to be strong, but he really has become fat, weak and useless.
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You know I will happily admit I am biased against Moria - I don't like his character - I don't like his appearence and I don't think he should have survived.
I will most likely not like any re-introduction of him nor respect any form of repentance for his past actions. I DON'T LIKE MORIA, but I am wrong apparently and I will be prejudiced against him. There are others like me who will tollerate his inclusion but it should have played out with him ending at the War.
It's just like Liquorice for some reason people love that biohazard material while I know the truth that it is a foul excreation from some netherworld demon.
As I said though no one can speak for Oda - only make assumptions and guesses and no matter how sure bet something is there is no assurance for it.
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I think that the nameless pirate fodder calling Moria Kaidou's equal is pretty much the same as Johnny saying Arlong is on par with Jimbei. Oda has weak or unreliable guys make these statements so the current boss is hyped, but it's easy to retract as exaggeration later in the story.
Moria obviously became weaker over the years as he relied on his zombies. But I can't even see their original duel being on equal terms - Moria speaks of the New World and his loss with far too much terror.
That's because his fucking crew were all killed.
I know he has that goofy monster look but even Moria has a heart.
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You know I will happily admit I am biased against Moria - I don't like his character - I don't like his appearence and I don't think he should have survived.
I will most likely not like any re-introduction of him nor respect any form of repentance for his past actions. I DON'T LIKE MORIA, but I am wrong apparently and I will be prejudiced against him. There are others like me who will tollerate his inclusion but it should have played out with him ending at the War.
It's just like Liquorice for some reason people love that biohazard material while I know the truth that it is a foul excreation from some netherworld demon.
As I said though no one can speak for Oda - only make assumptions and guesses and no matter how sure bet something is there is no assurance for it.
That motherfucker should be dead.
Yes I agree.
