In a sense, if it was 10 times more, it'd have to be over his kaioken times 20 power, which would mean it was actually 200 times more powerful rather than 50 times. Because otherwise it makes no sense that he'd do better in Super Saiyan form. So yeah, I have an issue with this, and it's probably because TOriyama forgot how the fight actually went down
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In a sense, if it was 10 times more, it'd have to be over his kaioken times 20 power, which would mean it was actually 200 times more powerful rather than 50 times. Because otherwise it makes no sense that he'd do better in Super Saiyan form. So yeah, I have an issue with this, and it's probably because TOriyama forgot how the fight actually went down
Well, it does have a lot of sense if you think about it. Freezer was badly injured by the genkidama, and of course he lost a lot of strenght.
Freezer >>>>> Injured Freezer >>>> Badly Injured FreezerThe same goes for example with Vegeta, he had a lot less strength at the end of the fight (even Yajirobee could resist one of his punches!) than at the beginning.
About those 10 times being over Kaioh Ken… it wouldn't have any sense. Firstly because he says 10 times in comparison with the 50 times the guide stated, so those 10 times are over the same thing the 50 times of the guide where.
Furthermore, it's easy to justify why he did better in SSJ, since Freezer was severely injured between the KKx20 and the SSJ transformation.
On the other hand, since Freezer can fight at the same level than Goku SSJ, 10 times over KK20 when we know that KKx20 is more or less equal to Freezer's 50% of strength is completely impossible no matter how you look at it.Regards!
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Well, it does have a lot of sense if you think about it. Freezer was badly injured by the genkidama, and of course he lost a lot of strenght.
Freezer >>>>> Injured Freezer >>>> Badly Injured FreezerThe same goes for example with Vegeta, he had a lot less strength at the end of the fight (even Yajirobee could resist one of his punches!) than at the beginning.
About those 10 times being over Kaioh Ken… it wouldn't have any sense. Firstly because he says 10 times in comparison with the 50 times the guide stated, so those 10 times are over the same thing the 50 times of the guide where.
Furthermore, it's easy to justify why he did better in SSJ, since Freezer was severely injured between the KKx20 and the SSJ transformation.
On the other hand, since Freezer can fight at the same level than Goku SSJ, 10 times over KK20 when we know that KKx20 is more or less equal to Freezer's 50% of strength is completely impossible no matter how you look at it.Regards!
Pretty sure Super Saiyan GOku destroyed Freeza with ease. pretty sure Freeza only managed to fight equally with SSJ GOku in the anime where they were just dragging out the fight
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Pretty sure Super Saiyan GOku destroyed Freeza with ease. pretty sure Freeza only managed to fight equally with SSJ GOku in the anime where they were just dragging out the fight
No. Both in the anime and in the manga they fight equally, and of course, on the anime the fight lasts like 30 times more because of the filler. And in both the manga and the anime, the reason of Freezer's defeat is that he loses strength too quickly when he tries to go at maximum strength, not because he wasn't a thread to Goku.
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This should be prett simple
Piccolo = 17 > Vegeta > Freeza
How about we do the whole series
Vegito > Super Buu (Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Picolo) > Super Buu ( Gotenks, Piccolo) > Gohan (mystic power) > Super Buu (trunks, goten, Piccolo) > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku (?) > Buu > SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ2 Vegeta = SSJ2 Goku > Dabura = SSJ2 Cell > Cell (perfect) > SSJ A Gohan > SSJ A Goku > SSJ FP Vegeta > SSJ FP Trunks > Cell (semi perfect) > 16 = Cell (imperfect) > Piccolo (kami-nail fused) = 17 = 18 > SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Goku > SSJ Trunks > Piccolo (nail fused) > Andoid 19 = Android 20 > Freeza
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This should be prett simple
Piccolo = 17 > Vegeta > Freeza
How about we do the whole series
Vegito > Super Buu (Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Picolo) > Super Buu ( Gotenks, Piccolo) > Gohan (mystic power) > Super Buu (trunks, goten, Piccolo) > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku (?) > Buu > SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ2 Vegeta = SSJ2 Goku > Dabura = SSJ2 Cell > Eastern Supreme Kai > Cell (perfect) > SSJ A Gohan > SSJ A Goku > SSJ FP Vegeta > SSJ FP Trunks > Cell (semi perfect) > 16 = Cell (imperfect) > Piccolo (kami-nail fused) = 17 = 18 > SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Goku > SSJ Trunks > Piccolo (nail fused) > Andoid 19 = Android 20 > Freeza
It's not that simple when you have at lest 5 clear contradictions. As to start… what does "SSJ A mean"? Well, all in all:
Android 19 = Android 20 -> Directly false.
Dabura = SSJ2 Cell -> False.
Eastern Kaiohshin > Cell True/False
SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ Goku/Vegeta -> False
And if we go by power alone:
Android 18 > Vegeta is also false, they were even.This without discussing Freezer's real strenght, which I think is much greater than what you consider, but since it's not a directly stated fact (although it can be proved using the manga alone) I won't even point to it.
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It's not that simple when you have at lest 5 clear contradictions. As to start… what does "SSJ A mean"? Well, all in all:
Android 19 = Android 20 -> Directly false.
Dabura = SSJ2 Cell -> False.
Eastern Kaiohshin > Cell True/False
SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ Goku/Vegeta -> False
And if we go by power alone:
Android 18 > Vegeta is also false, they were even.This without discussing Freezer's real strenght, which I think is much greater than what you consider, but since it's not a directly stated fact (although it can be proved using the manga alone) I won't even point to it.
SSJ A mean super saiyan ascended
this is how the super saiyan forms go
Strongest
Super Saiyan 3
Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan (Ascended) goku and gohan who fought cell
Super Saiyan (Full power) great strength but slow
Super Saiyan (full power)
Super Saiyanweakest
as for the things you said Android 19 and 20's strength was never stated who was stronger I think, so i called them equal I apologize if this is untrue
Dubura was said to be equal to cell by goku himself, I came to the conclusion he meant SSJ2 Cell, again I guess I could be wrong
Eastern Kaioshen actually confuses the hell out of me as to where he stands strength wise so I'll just delte that
SSJ2 Gohan at full power, and extremly angry not when he's lacking in training and suchand I'm not going to acknowledge the 18 vs Vegeta comment, as they started off even and then she got serious and kicked his ass, reread if you need to, that I'm certain of
and I won't get into the Frezza debate with you, everyone else has already argued plain logic with you that you choose not to accept
either your
A) Stubborn
B) a Troll
or C) unfortunately very unintelligentbut I will not get into that debate with you
I will however acknowledge your Eastern Kaiohshin debate and take him off
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And if we go by power alone:
Android 18 > Vegeta is also false, they were even.Lolwhat? She fucked up both him and Trunks at once.
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SSJ A mean super saiyan ascended
this is how the super saiyan forms go
Strongest
Super Saiyan 3
Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan (Ascended) goku and gohan who fought cell
Super Saiyan (Full power) great strength but slow
Super Saiyan (full power)
Super Saiyanweakest
as for the things you said Android 19 and 20's strength was never stated who was stronger I think, so i called them equal I apologize if this is untrue
Dubura was said to be equal to cell by goku himself, I came to the conclusion he meant SSJ2 Cell, again I guess I could be wrong
Eastern Kaioshen actually confuses the hell out of me as to where he stands strength wise so I'll just delte that
SSJ2 Gohan at full power, and extremly angry not when he's lacking in training and suchand I'm not going to acknowledge the 18 vs Vegeta comment, as they started off even and then she got serious and kicked his ass, reread if you need to, that I'm certain of
and I won't get into the Frezza debate with you, everyone else has already argued plain logic with you that you choose not to accept
either your
A) Stubborn
B) a Troll
or C) unfortunately very unintelligentbut I will not get into that debate with you
I will however acknowledge your Eastern Kaiohshin debate and take him off
Has any one of my points been proven false at all? No, then I see no reason to retire what I said.
And calling me "very unintelligent" only because I completely disagree with you… well, I think that it's pretty obvious who is the one trolling here, don't you think?About Vegeta vs 18, it's you that have to re-read the whole fight again. They were even, and Vegeta lost because he lost energy while 18 didn't. That's the reason, so in strength, they're at the same level of strength.
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This guy's trollin' all over the (other) manga seciton, wether he means to or not. It's all starting to give me a serious headache.
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That means she's stronger!!
you can't just say, if she didn't have this ability he'd be stronger, she's clearly stronger
and she was playing with vegeta and as my friend above said she beat Vegeta and Trunks at the same time, she is by far stronger, go reread
and your other points were fine, your freeza theory has been ripped to shreds, spat on, burnt to ashes, swallowed, digested into a toilet and flushed and you still won't admit it
if that was it that'd be fine but now your getting your as kicked by everyone in the Toriko thread and you think your winning!!!!
so again either your
A) extremely stuborn and incapable of admitting you can lose
B) trolling
or C) Genuinely unintelligentI didn't say which of the three it was that's up to you to decide, you went with uniniteligent
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GASP! Is it the return of Samurai Diaper? Is that you?!
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This was fun for a bit but I'm bored now.
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GASP! Is it the return of Samurai Diaper? Is that you?!
….... sorry not getting the refrence
I'll just stop now
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….... sorry not getting the refrence
I'll just stop now
meh I wasn't referring to you (instead I was directing this at the freezer fellow), but there was this one guy here on the forum that had all these ridiculous notions on power levels and whatever. Seems like a really familiar silly discussion that was going on.
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@RobbyBevard:
This was fun for a bit but I'm bored now.
Classic !
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Of course. This is from the Super Exciting guide, an interview made to him. The translation, from kaizenshuu
That's a new one on me.
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Wait, did this guy SERIOUSLY imply that Kaoikoen x 20 was stronger than SSJ, and that Goku could defeat Freeza because he was injured?
Did this guy SERIOUSLY imply that Piccolo fused with Kami was weaker than Freeza?
And this conversation went on for 3 pages?
What the hell?
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I read that conversation and almost picked up a bottle….
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Power level discussions are fun. Sometimes. Only with Dbz though. And when Ascended sayain is mentioned… And Gohan... MAAAAAAAAAAAARRSS
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What's that volume on the lower left? A new special?
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What's that volume on the lower left? A new special?
It's an illustration book, featuring material from 85 to 2013.
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It's an illustration book, featuring material from 85 to 2013.
But not 1984? Or did they just forget about that first month-and-change of the series?
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Dragon Ball Kai's Buu Saga dub confirmed!!!!
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23356 http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23031&start=220
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In the Dragonball portion of the DB/Kenshin issue offered today on Free Comic Book Day, they mentioned that the new omnibus will finally be dropping the "Z" after Volume 16, so these new 3-in-1's will remain Dragonball throughout the entire run, which I don't think was ever officially confirmed until now. The big header under the advertisement of the first omnibus read "Remastered, Uncensored, and in a new collectable format." No idea if that means Popo will have his lips for the first time in a VIZ publication, or if it just means the boobs are back.
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Dragon Ball Kai's Buu Saga dub confirmed!!!!
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23356
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23031&start=220
YEEEEESSSSSS!!!!
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Oh gosh, not Buu saga!!! To me Kai ruined the Cell Saga. I don't like the pick of songs or VAs, than again guess I'm used to the older versions of the series.
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From 2ch:
作者の都合により名無しです:2013/06/28(金) 15:19:41 ID:wX4JEij0
アニメ関係者だが、東映によってまさかのドラゴンボール新作製作許可が今朝無事に下りたという事だ。現在点では詳細不明、放送開始時期未定だが、9月発売予定の神と神のDVD&ブルーレイリリースまでにそのうち公式発表があるのでどうしても見逃さないように。
New anime will be officially announced with DVD/BD of the movie.
Not confirmed, probably just a tease
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My bullshit sense is tingling. Who would specifically out themselves like that, except to troll?
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Is this the same obvious bullshit rumor from a few months back claiming they're going to have 100 episodes out the gate?
1)it wouldn't be announced with any specific episode count unless it was going to be super limited, and would be either a 13, 26 or 52 episode announcement. It would NOT be a 2 year commitment right out the gate. (The original Dragonball anime is only 3 years… 153 episodes.)
2)Kai didn't do well enough in the ratings to warrant editing finished animation, so that honestly precludes them putting major effort into new material.
3)Even if Toriyama himself was heavily involved, it'd still be typical filler/GT level of quality, so who cares?
4)A new movie occasionally seems much more likely. More time to work on it, better budget, better payoff, more of an event.
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My bullshit sense is tingling. Who would specifically out themselves like that, except to troll?
I asked Kei and he said he didn't see this on 2ch at all.
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@Yuugi's:
I asked Kei and he said he didn't see this on 2ch at all.
Then, it's fake. I see it in other forum, I was doubtful about the veracity of the info (just the info), but couldn't know if was really posted in 2ch. My fault, sorry.
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Where can i watch DBZ battle of gods?
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Where can i watch DBZ battle of gods?
A time that has yet to come. The home videos do not hit until September.
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@Yuugi's:
A time that has yet to come. The home videos do not hit until September.
Thank you very much. ^^
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Well watched some vids if Battle of Gods… Seems to be a nice movie but once again I'm not able to tell if Vegeta was SSJ2 or a regular one after Bills slapped Bulma. Everyone is saying something else and personally it wouldn't make sense for him being just SSJ.
But well no sparks and all... I hate it
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Well watched some vids if Battle of Gods… Seems to be a nice movie but once again I'm not able to tell if Vegeta was SSJ2 or a regular one after Bills slapped Bulma. Everyone is saying something else and personally it wouldn't make sense for him being just SSJ.
But well no sparks and all... I hate it
Was there any galaxy busting feats/statements, or were those just a fake rumors?
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Dunno just saw some small vids not the.whole movie. Just asking about vegeta now
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Well watched some vids if Battle of Gods… Seems to be a nice movie but once again I'm not able to tell if Vegeta was SSJ2 or a regular one after Bills slapped Bulma. Everyone is saying something else and personally it wouldn't make sense for him being just SSJ.
But well no sparks and all... I hate it
Vegeta is simply a Super Saiyan. The only instance of Super Saiyan 2 is when Gokuu is showing Beers the different forms.
Kanzenshuu has a very in-depth and accurate summary of the movie.
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@Yuugi's:
Vegeta is simply a Super Saiyan. The only instance of Super Saiyan 2 is when Gokuu is showing Beers the different forms.
Kanzenshuu has a very in-depth and accurate summary of the movie.
And you see this is dumb as fuck by Vegeta…
! He is fighting the strongest foe ever and someone who bitchslapped his wife and he just goes SSJ and but everyone is praising him being "stronger" as Goku for a mere moment
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And you see this is dumb as fuck by Vegeta…
! He is fighting the strongest foe ever and someone who bitchslapped his wife and he just goes SSJ and but everyone is praising him being "stronger" as Goku for a mere moment
Even Goku acknowledges later that he actually did surpass him for that brief moment, so…
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@Vegard:
Even Goku acknowledges later that he actually did surpass him for that brief moment, so…
! And all this in SSJ state and Goku was owned in SSJ3 before… Awesome... What would happen if Vegeta would actually use SSJ2? You see... That's why I hate about Vegeta and SSj2... You never can see it cuz of this lightning stuff... It is there, it is not there and so on... In the anime it was like that as well
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Vegeta was SSJ2, sparks are inconsistent.
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Vegeta was SSJ2, sparks are inconsistent.
And you kow it how? I need a better quality vid to see the hair more
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Vegeta was SSJ2, sparks are inconsistent.
Well you are most likely right… I aasked over at Kanzenshuu and this guy posted this
@KentalSSJ6:
Sparks for SSJ2 are ignored now. I dont know if anyone remembers but we got a scan of Goku in SSJ2 in BOG. If anyone can dig it up that would be appreciated but yeah, sparks are ignored. I found the hair difference to be enough though.
Super Saiyan Vegeta -
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Just look for the third lock of hair that appears above the widow's peak between the two locks in SSJ1.
Images drawn by DBCPROJECT.
After this I rewatched the scene and Vegeta's hair looks far more like the SSJ2 hair
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Silly Vegeta and his extra lock of hair being the only distinguishing feature on his Super 2 form.
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Beers is so much fun to watch. I hope Beers and Yamadera Kou'ichi will show up again soon.
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