Why the hell not? The three great powers are all equal in power, there are four Emperors and Three Admirals, do that freakin math right.
Actually there are four Yonkous and Marine HQ.
Way to go Phenom.
Chapter 502 "The Tenryuubito's Incident" Discussion
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
If thats the cases why haven't the adimrals put an end to the pirate era ?
I don't know…cause three powers "BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT!" which means EQUAL.:getlost:
what i meant by that was follow the reasoning behind why WB is attacking the WG. It would be stupid of him to win and leave Ace in the hands of the WG you know that was the cause of the war in the first place.
This is not what we were discussing.
No just the Worlds strongest man.
Has nothing to do with an admiral NOT showing up to the island a NOBLE does.
I'll just quote this because I can't stand it due to the sheer ignorance and irony. The rest is garbage for all I care.
It takes 3 Admirals and 7 Shickibukai making a total of 10 people with uber powers to balance out just these 4 guys. You do the freakin' math>.>
You don't know anything.
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how come he's not baned yet?
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welp this is what i get for not listening i shall stop this conversation. It's rather pointless.
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I don't know…cause three powers "BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT!" which means EQUAL.:getlost:
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You're the epitome of fucking ignorance.
Three people already told you, dipstick.
3 Admirals, 7 Shichibukai, Vice admirals, Sengoku and his superiors…AGAINST FOUR.
Ofcourse, thats too much for your miniscule, insignificant brain to comprehend, isn't it, OH GLORIOUS WORLD WONDER?
Yep, it sure is a wonder how someone like you can even type.sighs
This time, I'm not apologizing for the profanity. -
^ You tell 'em sister.
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@Kidany:
I guess that depends of Rosward wants a resin coater or just feels like having manual labor, but the latter he could easily get the giant which interferes with your idea of Sharlia wanting it. Because I highly doubt anyone at the auction right now know who Rayleigh really is.
Actually, there's one very good reason Rosward would want Rayleigh (assuming of course he knows the guy's there). Rosward collects pirate captains. Obviously he can't have Gold Roger himself unless they got his corpse or something (wouldn't put it past them but all the same, ew). So I'm sure he wouldn't mind settling for Rayleigh, the next closest thing to Roger himself.
It also occurs to me there's a very simple and direct, though admittedly cruel, way to find out how to safely remove the collars: Put one on Disco the auctioneer then rip off the chain. If anybody knows how to remove the collars its him, and he sure as heck isn't about to let himself get blown up. Just get rid of the chain, set him loose, watch what he does, and bingo, key to the collars. Though among the crew I could only really picture Nami, Robin, or Sanji actually thinking of and doing it (Nami can be quite the evil little kitty when need be, there's a mermaid involved to clinch Sanji's willingness, and Robin would probably me more likely to issue the threat, but wouldn't be afraid to also carry it out).
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Yeah but I don't think Rosward knows Rayleigh is 'the hand of the pirate king', but he is old so he might. Hmmmm…
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Yeah but I don't think Rosward knows Rayleigh is 'the hand of the pirate king', but he is old so he might. Hmmmm…
It's not so much a matter of being old or not, IMO. Rosward collects Captains. What kind of collector would he be if didn't know a lot of the big ones, past and present? Plus there's also the possibility that Rosward got info about it same as Garp. The Grove 1 auction was his goal from the start, and I don't personally they were expecting him going by the doorman's responses to him. Sounds to me like he went there with specific intent to buy a specific slave. It can't be for his son and daughter. They wanted a mermaid and giant respectively, and didn't seem to know/expect either to be on sale (Caymie certainly surprised Charlos). Rosward could have inside info, though, his children wouldn't be privy to.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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It's not so much a matter of being old or not, IMO. Rosward collects Captains. What kind of collector would he be if didn't know a lot of the big ones, past and present? Plus there's also the possibility that Rosward got info about it same as Garp. The Grove 1 auction was his goal from the start, and I don't personally they were expecting him going by the doorman's responses to him. Sounds to me like he went there with specific intent to buy a specific slave. It can't be for his son and daughter. They wanted a mermaid and giant respectively, and didn't seem to know/expect either to be on sale (Caymie certainly surprised Charlos). Rosward could have inside info, though, his children wouldn't be privy to.
That sounds surprisingly reasonable imo. Never thought they could have come with a specific "item" in mind.
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Actually, there's one very good reason Rosward would want Rayleigh (assuming of course he knows the guy's there). Rosward collects pirate captains. Obviously he can't have Gold Roger himself unless they got his corpse or something (wouldn't put it past them but all the same, ew). So I'm sure he wouldn't mind settling for Rayleigh, the next closest thing to Roger himself.
True, but as Zkaiser mentioned, it hinges on whether Rosward knows who Rayleigh really is. Guess we'll just have to wait to see.
It also occurs to me there's a very simple and direct, though admittedly cruel, way to find out how to safely remove the collars: Put one on Disco the auctioneer then rip off the chain. If anybody knows how to remove the collars its him, and he sure as heck isn't about to let himself get blown up. Just get rid of the chain, set him loose, watch what he does, and bingo, key to the collars. Though among the crew I could only really picture Nami, Robin, or Sanji actually thinking of and doing it (Nami can be quite the evil little kitty when need be, there's a mermaid involved to clinch Sanji's willingness, and Robin would probably me more likely to issue the threat, but wouldn't be afraid to also carry it out).
You mean to see if there's a different way of removing them besides the key right? I agree with you though, I can imagine Robin most likely doing something like that. Nami…she'll probably be the one to make that little plan if you do turn out being right. Although maybe Sanji will just disappear for a second then come back out having gone to see how to get the collars things off during the inevitable chaos that Luffy caused just now.
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Nice insight. I never would have put those facts together. And I call myself a Sherlock fan?! Time to go cry manly tears of imperfection.:cwy:
Psyc! I still don't know. If you knew that slavers had the right hand of the pirate king in their possession, wouldn't you be a bit more cautious? As you said Rosward is a captain collector and I'm sure he would know the strength of old captains and their crew and would be a bit wary if he heard a powerful man such as Rayleigh would be selling himself at an auction.
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@Kidany:
You mean to see if there's a different way of removing them besides the key right?
or to discover where the key is in the first place.@Zkaiser:
Psyc! I still don't know. If you knew that slavers had the right hand of the pirate king in their possession, wouldn't you be a bit more cautious? As you said Rosward is a captain collector and I'm sure he would know the strength of old captains and their crew and would be a bit wary if he heard a powerful man such as Rayleigh would be selling himself at an auction.
Hm… that is a good question. Honestly, I can't help but feel Rayleigh sold himself like he did because he was certain he could escape at any time. It'd be a simple enough plan, sell himself off, let the people he owes get their cut of his sale price, bust out at leisure, and let everyone else deal with the mess that results.
Rosward could have something in mind for just that kind of situation, a threat to Shackey for instance. On the other hand, it could also be something as simple as him being arrogant enough to not even consider Rayleigh would try anything or that he could handle him even if he did. After all, how many people ever truly defy a Celestial Dragon? To date the only we've seen is Luffy, and I think someone who guessed may be right that Roger probably did, too. It probably does and has happened, as people know the punishment for it, but I doubt it's a common occurrence that the Dragons actually fear it. Charlos sure didn't.
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I'll just quote this because I can't stand it due to the sheer ignorance and irony of it. The rest is garbage for all I care.
It takes 3 Admirals and 7 Shickibukai making a total of 10 people with uber powers to balance out just these 4 guys. You do the freakin' math>.>
Your math is a bit off as you're completely leaving the Yonkou's crews out of the equation.
What makes the Yonkou so powerful isn't just Shanks, WB, etc. individual strength but the fact they have the support of a handful of Shickibukai&Super Nova level fighters(Marco,Ace,Ben,Lucky) plus hundreds of pirates all stronger than your average marine.
Its not 10 vs. 4 but 12(Garp&Sengoku)+unknown # of Vice Admirals vs. 4+?# of their Uber subordinates.
As for the 3 Admirals and Sengoku needed for just WB crew, well thats just bull. Two Admirals at the most could probably take on WB, while Marco and the other division captains get into one on one fights with Kuma and some Vice Admirals.
Luckily for the WG Blackbeard will happily keep BB pre-occupied so probably even 2 Admirals abandoning their usual posts would be unecessary. So yean even now one Admiral with Sengoku for WB, one in Mariejoa, and one ready and waiting for anybody to mess up on Sabody which just happened.
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They must know Rayleigh is special because he is being held off to the end of the auction. To a normal person, he just seems like an old drunk. Obviously, the auctioneers suspect him to be worth a lot, and that's why Rayleigh is being held to be the last piece up for auction (or is that the giant?)
It's very possibly Rosward wants to buy him
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The Shichibukai would probably not fight alongside the Marines. If that was the case then they'd easily overpower the Yonkou. The three great powers equal each other, as they are called the three great powers.
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@$abZ:
The Shichibukai would probably not fight alongside the Marines. If that was the case then they'd easily overpower the Yonkou. The three great powers equal each other, as they are called the three great powers.
They don't have to be equal by any means. Think of the really powerful guys in One Piece as nukes in real life. No country in the world will dare fire a nuke in fear of setting off the chain reaction that will end the world.
Either of the powers attacking another means everybody loses.
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@MonkeyDMalcom:
welp this is what i get for not listening i shall stop this conversation. It's rather pointless.
It's not pointless, we were discussing the matters whether an Admiral would come or not. Our conversation is perfectly within the boundaries of the chapter.
I'll just quote this because I can't stand it due to the sheer ignorance and irony of it. The rest is garbage for all I care.
It takes 3 Admirals and 7 Shickibukai making a total of 10 people with uber powers to balance out just these 4 guys. You do the freakin' math>.>
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You're the epitome of fucking ignorance.
Three people already told you, dipstick.
3 Admirals, 7 Shichibukai, Vice admirals, Sengoku and his superiors…AGAINST FOUR.
Ofcourse, thats too much for your miniscule, insignificant brain to comprehend, isn't it, OH GLORIOUS WORLD WONDER?
Yep, it sure is a wonder how someone like you can even type.sighs
This time, I'm not apologizing for the profanity.You don't need to apologize for the profanity Rose but please apologize for your ignorance….
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Originally Posted by One Piece Yellow
四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.
! 海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)
! 王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.
! 四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.
! Marine = Shichibukai = Yonkou.
! According to the thing, the Government is "paired" up with the Shichibukai and the marines. What that doesn't mean is that the Shichibukai and the marines are working together. It's just the Shichibukai are paying money to the government to get certain "privileges" like, to not be hounded by the government, free reign to do as they please type thing. So the government saves them lots of un-needed trouble.
! The "emperors" are their own group, doing as they please and not paying the government and so are the enemy. The Marines as the "good guys" want to stop both groups, but doesn't go after the shichibukai due to being controlled by the government.
! But each group, as they are, are the same in power. However if something was to change like the death of a member of a group, that could change things (cough crocodile cough) then that group could actually lose their standing and be over taken by one of the other remaining groups…Again, the "Three Great Powers" are not the topic, the point is whether or not an Admiral will come after Luffy touched a Noble. My guess is that a Noble will come after Luffy just damaged a Noble.
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My guess is that everything's a bluff
Next Chapter:
Roswald rips off his suit, reveals immense power..
People forget about this admiral mess
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@$abZ:
The Shichibukai would probably not fight alongside the Marines. If that was the case then they'd easily overpower the Yonkou. The three great powers equal each other, as they are called the three great powers.
Of course they would if the Yonkou decided to make simultaneous moves, which will likely happen with WB gone. Without the backing of the marines their operations are easy targets for takeover or destruction.
Nobody till BB showed up was willing to risk war thats why they haven't made a move together against the Emperors. For years they've been in tumultuous stalemate.
None of the Emperors could move in to Raftel without upsetting the other 3 and the WG, WG wasn't confident enough to take on 4 emperors, and the Shickibukai have been free to comfortably rack in money&territoy or build up their forces to make another attempt at world takeover/pirateking.
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@$abZ:
The Shichibukai would probably not fight alongside the Marines. If that was the case then they'd easily overpower the Yonkou. The three great powers equal each other, as they are called the three great powers.
It was never said, that they equal each other only, that the three of them form a balance. This allows for following possibilities:
1. Yonkoh = Marine HQ + Shichibukai
2. Marine HQ = Yonkoh + Shichibukai
3. Shichibukai = Marine HQ + Yonkoh
4. Yonkoh = Shichibukai = Marine HQConsidering the fact that the WG cares very much about the balance I'd say that point 4 can be erased, because you'd not need to form a Shichibukai group if Yonkoh and Marine HQ already equal each other.
Furthermore since the Shichibukai are required to form the balance you can rule out option 3 also, because you don't form a group only to put a combination of your military forces and the worlds most dangerous pirates against it as a countermeasurement.
Next if you consider that the Marine HQ is the military force of the WG it is unlikely that the balance the WG cares so much about is in order to counter them as strongest representative. So you can erase option 2 also.
This leaves just option 1, which pretty much makes sense, since the Yonkoh are the only ones of the three with no alliances with the WG and therefore would require for the WG to form something that creates a balance in order to keep their world order together.
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It's not pointless, we were discussing the matters whether an Admiral would come or not. Our conversation is perfectly within the boundaries of the chapter.
You don't need to apologize for the profanity Rose but please apologize for your ignorance….
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Originally Posted by One Piece Yellow
四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.
! 海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)
! 王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.
! 四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.
! Marine = Shichibukai = Yonkou.
! According to the thing, the Government is "paired" up with the Shichibukai and the marines. What that doesn't mean is that the Shichibukai and the marines are working together. It's just the Shichibukai are paying money to the government to get certain "privileges" like, to not be hounded by the government, free reign to do as they please type thing. So the government saves them lots of un-needed trouble.
! The "emperors" are their own group, doing as they please and not paying the government and so are the enemy. The Marines as the "good guys" want to stop both groups, but doesn't go after the shichibukai due to being controlled by the government.
! But each group, as they are, are the same in power. However if something was to change like the death of a member of a group, that could change things (cough crocodile cough) then that group could actually lose their standing and be over taken by one of the other remaining groups…Again, the "Three Great Powers" are not the topic, the point is whether or not an Admiral will come after Luffy touched a Noble. My guess is that a Noble will come after Luffy just damaged a Noble.
Right, cause I'm totally the one quoting some random dude and pretending it's Oda himself speaking. Next time, read the freakin manga…no, next time gtfo the forums.
THEY MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY WORKING TOGETHER BUT WHO IS IT THAT STANDS ALONE?The Yonkou, literally Four Emperors are the four most powerful pirates in the second half of Grand Line. According to Monkey D. Garp, these "Four Emperors" rule above all others and form a precarious balance with the Shichibukai and Marine Headquarters.
SHICHIBUKAI AND WG.
SHICHIBUKAI AND WG.
SHICHIBUKAI AND WG.Mister miracle of ignorance, if they have the same power, why would the WG need the Shichibukai?
Or any of Cypher Pol?
ALTOGETHER WITH THE MARINES, WG, CYPHER POL AND SHICHIBUKAI THEY ARE EQUAL TO THE YONKOU.
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It was never said, that they equal each other only, that the three of them form a balance. This allows for following possibilities:
1. Yonkoh = Marine HQ + Shichibukai
2. Marine HQ = Yonkoh + Shichibukai
3. Shichibukai = Marine HQ + Yonkoh
4. Yonkoh = Shichibukai = Marine HQI only think that example one is viable. I don't think the HQ can balance out the combined strength of the Yonkou same goes for the shickibaku. I only think the 3 powers becaome equal when HQ + Shichibukai are combined.
Think of a circle now cut the circle in half one of those halves are the yonkou's power. Then take the other half of the circle and cut it in half again. Then that becomes the combined power of the Shickibukai and the HQ. Any type of lose to the HQ or Shickbukai will throw off the balance. If you add any of the powers to that balance it will throw it off.
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They must know Rayleigh is special because he is being held off to the end of the auction. To a normal person, he just seems like an old drunk. Obviously, the auctioneers suspect him to be worth a lot, and that's why Rayleigh is being held to be the last piece up for auction (or is that the giant?)
It's very possibly Rosward wants to buy him
It's already mentioned in the manga that they place the most precious slaves in the middle of the auction (and call it "center piece" I belive). They are not "saving the best for last".
MDM: did you read the rest of Ivotas post? please do that.
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Right, cause I'm totally the one quoting some random dude and pretending it's Oda himself speaking. Next time, read the freakin manga…no, next time gtfo the forums.
THEY MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY WORKING TOGETHER BUT WHO IS IT THAT STANDS ALONE?SHICHIBUKAI AND WG.
SHICHIBUKAI AND WG.
SHICHIBUKAI AND WG.Mister miracle of ignorance, if they have the same power, why would the WG need the Shichibukai?
Or any of Cypher Pol?
ALTOGETHER WITH THE MARINES, WG, CYPHER POL AND SHICHIBUKAI THEY ARE EQUAL TO THE YONKOU.
I'm done playing with retards for now, I hope what Kaimei-kun says happens really soon.Cypher Poland. Pretty sure Hitler wouldn't have messed with that.
sorry couldn't resist.
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Right, cause I'm totally the one quoting some random dudeThe random dudes Phenom quoted are oceanizer and njt, admins of Arlong Park and MangaHelpers. Japanese is ocean's first language and njt speaks it fluently.
oceanizer:
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=462117&postcount=391njt:
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i think the 2 events wb attacking with luffy declaring war yet again
are going to counter balance each other
lets assume shanks is helping there is no way the marines could waste an admiral on a bunch of rookie piratesi think that the admiral will about to attack the crew but just as Kuma recieved orders he would recieve orders not to attack telling the strawhats that there journey will end in fishman island. Then just as they have their battles Kuma will appear to help end the crew for real this time
Well for the first two parts I kind of had the same thought back in chapter 499, before we found out that Raleigh was Roger's right hand man.
I originally thought the Strawhats were going to get lucky by the World Governments having to deal with WhiteBeard and possibly Shanks making a move to free Ace. However with the recent information I think that their actions will end up being mutually beneficial.
The World Government will be forced to split their forces sending one Admiral after the Strawhats the rest of the forces protecting Impel Down. And if the Admiral is still too much for the Strawhats then it is likely that Rayleigh will stand in the way of that Admiral when it comes to Strawhat's.
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It was never said, that they equal each other only, that the three of them form a balance. This allows for following possibilities:
1. Yonkoh = Marine HQ + Shichibukai
2. Marine HQ = Yonkoh + Shichibukai
3. Shichibukai = Marine HQ + Yonkoh
4. Yonkoh = Shichibukai = Marine HQConsidering the fact that the WG cares very much about the balance I'd say that point 4 can be erased, because you'd not need to form a Shichibukai group if Yonkoh and Marine HQ already equal each other.
Mihawk is one of the Shichibukai. I strongly believe that Mihawk is Yonkou level. Then you have the Admirals, Vice Admirals, Smoker, Sengoku and 5 other great powers (Shichibukai).
If the Shichibukai weren't formed, then there'd be more pirates against the WG, and they'd have less control.
EDIT: We can only prove our point when we see Kaidou and the other Yonkou, and the powers of their crew (should they be similar to Ace, than your arguement is strong).
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Nice chapter.
Not good. Certainly not great. But nice.
I was personally looking forward to some hot bidding action. I thought Oda would have had some interesting scheme spread out between Kid, SH, Law and the Tenryuubito.
Now, that
s not to say I disagree how he handled Charlosbid. That was well-executed and made perfect sense for the character. However, I was hoping he would have showed up late in the bidding. Also would have been interesting for some Phoenix Wright-ish rules to the bidding, seeing it build up between all of them and then finally have him walk in and blow them out of the water.Just a pipe dream though I guess. Luffy came in and did exactly what we all expected him to do anyway.
Having a chuckle over the suicide. He goes out of his way to avoid a character being killed by a villain but allows a bloody and gruesome way to die since it`s by suicide. At least he did it though!
By the way, this chapter also illustrates why his lack of killing is a hinderance. When Hacchan was shot I literally felt nothing. Obviously it was not Charlos
intention to kill him. That aside, the second I saw a smoking gun, it just didnt even matter. I think I even said thus in my head:So?It
s just like, we know youre not going to do anything, so why bother? It loses dramatic tension. Now if Charlosshot had actually put down some people or we saw the other pirate taken out by his father, I might have thought,Woah….maybe Hacchan wont just be bandaged up and walking around like nothing happened in a few dozen chapters.Not meant to be a rant, just a good opportunity to show one of the reasons Oda`s aversion to non-suicidal deaths for side characters hurts the story more than could ever help it.
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@$abZ:
Mihawk is one of the Shichibukai. I strongly believe that Mihawk is Yonkou level. Then you have the Admirals, Vice Admirals, Smoker, Sengoku and 5 other great powers (Shichibukai).
If the Shichibukai weren't formed, then there'd be more pirates against the WG, and they'd have less control.
EDIT: We can only prove our point when we see Kaidou and the other Yonkou, and the powers of their crew (should they be similar to Ace, than your arguement is strong).
Thats the point I think it's safe to assume that the crews of the Yonkou are ridic strong. Mihawk may be able to best Shanks in a 1 v 1 fight however the Mihawk wouldn't be able to run through his crew the way he ran through Don Kreig's crew. You already seen how Shanks crew rules if mihawk where to approach him for a fight on even terms it wouldn't happen.
How come Mihawk isn't a yonkou or don't have his own pirate crew?
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Nice chapter.
Not good. Certainly not great. But nice.
I was personally looking forward to some hot bidding action. I thought Oda would have had some interesting scheme spread out between Kid, SH, Law and the Tenryuubito.
Now, that
s not to say I disagree how he handled Charlosbid. That was well-executed and made perfect sense for the character. However, I was hoping he would have showed up late in the bidding. Also would have been interesting for some Phoenix Wright-ish rules to the bidding, seeing it build up between all of them and then finally have him walk in and blow them out of the water.Just a pipe dream though I guess. Luffy came in and did exactly what we all expected him to do anyway.
Having a chuckle over the suicide. He goes out of his way to avoid a character being killed by a villain but allows a bloody and gruesome way to die since it`s by suicide. At least he did it though!
By the way, this chapter also illustrates why his lack of killing is a hinderance. When Hacchan was shot I literally felt nothing. Obviously it was not Charlos
intention to kill him. That aside, the second I saw a smoking gun, it just didnt even matter. I think I even said thus in my head:So?It
s just like, we know youre not going to do anything, so why bother? It loses dramatic tension. Now if Charlosshot had actually put down some people or we saw the other pirate taken out by his father, I might have thought,Woah….maybe Hacchan wont just be bandaged up and walking around like nothing happened in a few dozen chapters.Not meant to be a rant, just a good opportunity to show one of the reasons Oda`s aversion to non-suicidal deaths for side characters hurts the story more than could ever help it.
a guy committed suicide before Hacchan got shot….
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a guy committed suicide before Hacchan got shot….
Didn`t read my post did you Chief?
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So I wonder how many of the 11 supernovas will get to the New World after this?
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Didn`t read my post did you Chief?
i did but i time to skip over paragraphs over long winded stories.
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A little death wouldn't hurt the manga. As long as it isn't Zoro, I'm cool with it. is shot
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I'll just quote this because I can't stand it due to the sheer ignorance and irony of it. The rest is garbage for all I care.
It takes 3 Admirals and 7 Shickibukai making a total of 10 people with uber powers to balance out just these 4 guys. You do the freakin' math>.>
Hi role model!
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We just had a death though?
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Who died? ….....Did that suicide guy die or did he get taken away to be taken care of?
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what do you think SUICIDE means?
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Who died? ….....Did that suicide guy die or did he get taken away to be taken care of?
Sounds like he actually died, though the auctioneer said that they'd fix him up and sell him again later.
also, I think Whitebeard and Shanks' crew are actually like Krieg's in a sense. High numbers with the powerful fighters scattered here and there, mostly in leadership positions. Whtiebeard's crew definitely seems comprised of Regular Folk, given how many of them fainted when Shanks boarded. Also, just to cut the most likely argument I can think of off at the pass, Blackbeard is, IMO, an exception to the rule. He was powerful, but deliberately kept himself out of a leadership position or other notoriety. So he can't be used as a judge of Whitebeard's rank-and-file.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Maybe the auctioneer will make the suicide guy into a puppet with robotic parts that moves and then they will sell him?
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
i did but i time to skip over paragraphs over long winded stories.
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also, I think Whitebeard and Shanks' crew are actually like Krieg's in a sense. High numbers with the powerful fighters scattered here and there, mostly in leadership positions. Whtiebeard's crew definitely seems comprised of Regular Folk, given how many of them fainted when Shanks boarded. Also, just to cut the most likely argument I can think of off at the pass, Blackbeard is, IMO, an exception to the rule. He was powerful, but deliberately kept himself out of a leadership position or other notoriety. So he can't be used as a judge of Whitebeard's rank-and-file.
I agree with you on this. I doubt the majority of each Emperors' crews is composed of really strong fighters. The few super strong guys like you said are likely spread out into leadership positions. The common crew member I think can be considered cannon-fodder compared to the likes of even the weakest Strawhat.
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It takes 3 Admirals and 7 Shickibukai making a total of 10 people with uber powers to balance out just these 4 guys. You do the freakin' math>.>
I don't think it as simple as that. The balance of power is just not of how strong an individual is but also of their influences and any action of their part which can disrupt the order of the world. The three power WG, Shichibukai and Yonkou is kind like in a cold war that was once between the West and the Communist.
On the chapter, Luffy's punching a noble is inevitable as the sun rise and ,which I wish I was a manga character so that I can punch the bastich instead, This from a person who promises to wait for five minutes before attacking Ennies Lobby before he set of on alone. :)
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
what do you think SUICIDE means?
um, they said they'd fix him up. I wasn't fuckin' sure if he died and they dragged him off stage lying they were gonna fix him up or if he didn't die and they were going to fix him up…
I'm not a moron. I know what suicide means...and you can fail at suicide, too...
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@Kidany:
I agree with you on this. I doubt the majority of each Emperors' crews is composed of really strong fighters. The few super strong guys like you said are likely spread out into leadership positions. The common crew member I think can be considered cannon-fodder compared to the likes of even the weakest Strawhat.
I disagree the weakest/newest guy in Shanks crew had a bounty of 98 mill and he was written off as cannon fodder. I don't think anyone in the straw hats crew can handle the weakest people in the yonkou outside of the monster trio.
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Guys I'm pretty sure Disco was just putting on a show so that the snotty audience wouldn't know someone killed himself in front of them.
