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      @Hinscher:

      Yes Shanks went to talk to Whitebeard first out of respect. He didn't do it to warn Whitebeard about Blackbeard taking his throne. He did it to have Whitebeard stop Ace from confronting Blackbeard because he was not ready.

      Shanks did warn him.
      http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter434.txt

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      Shanks: This one was no mark of adventure.
      It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes…
      This scar was given to me
      by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach...!!
      And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise.
      Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?!
      He was waiting for his chance... He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame.
      He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!!
      And when he gained his power... he struck.
      Ultimately, he will seek the very top.
      Of his OWN will!!
      Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!

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        Whoever said Shanks attacked WB because he didn't do as he asked was wrong - he did it to prve to WB he was serious on the issue (WB pretty much sees him as the same kid who he saw on Roger's ship still).

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          thats a mute point. I know damn well he told whitebeard that.

          Now do you honestly think Shanks gives a shit who is the top pirates in the World. Wether the 4th Yonkou is a man with whitebeard or a blackbeard. NO. He came there to have whitebeard stop Ace. That was to emphysize his point about Blackbeard being too strong.

          If Ace wasn't sent after BB and someone else was, there is no reason (other than Shank having a connection as well with that person) for shanks to go and see Whitebeard. Does BB being stronger than WB upset the world balance. NO it does not. So even if the Yonkou love their so called balance (which I don't believe they care at all, same as Luffy says "you do what you want with the world and what not, I just want my Robin back" They basically are doing what they want and could care less about the WG) Blackbeard beating Whitebeard would not upset the balance at all.

          But while Shanks was there out of Respect again he warned him about BB.

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            @Jinbei:

            Getting rid of The Yonkou's MVP will give the WG the upper hand on Piracy.

            Respect is different from authority.

            You act as though the yonkou is a group like the Marines, and Whitebeard is the leader. MVP, Authority, these words just don't seem to flow when refering to sets of Pirates that are enemies…

            Also, while I agree with you that BB defeating WB does change the balance, it's not in the favour of the WG or Marines. This is once again BB's attempt at deception and using a power to his aide. There's no doubt in my mind that BB will betray the WG/MHQ, as BB's final goal is to become Pirate King. Therefore, he will always be a pirate which is a direct contradiction to what the WG/MHQ are after.

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              @Angel:

              Whoever said Shanks attacked WB because he didn't do as he asked was wrong - he did it to prve to WB he was serious on the issue (WB pretty much sees him as the same kid who he saw on Roger's ship still).

              Thats not how I read the Chapter. Shanks said what he had to say and he did it in a serious tone with all the laughs and giggles aside. Whitebeard understood what Shanks was telling him, Thats why Whitebeard asked "What do you want me to do about it I assume that's why you came." Shanks then tells him in a serious tone, and Whitebeard said what he thought on the matter, in a serious tone while mocking Shanks at the same time. (I would Mock his a** 2 for telling me to leave someone alone who killed a Guy I consider a Son at the time.)
              I don't think Shanks attacked him coz he means to tell/show Whitebeard he is serious, the whole convo show us that. I think he did it coz he was pissed he didn't get the results he wanted.

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              thats a mute point. I know damn well he told whitebeard that.

              Now do you honestly think Shanks gives a shit who is the top pirates in the World.

              Yes, Shanks is a Yonkou looking for One Piece.

              Does BB being stronger than WB upset the world balance. NO it does not. So even if the Yonkou love their so called balance Blackbeard beating Whitebeard would not upset the balance at all.

              So, if The Whitebeard Pirates The strongest Pirate Crew out of the 4 Yonkou, was to be shut down by the WG, you think the Balance would not shift in the WG into there hands?

              @freedom:

              You act as though the yonkou is a group like the Marines, and Whitebeard is the leader. MVP, Authority, these words just don't seem to flow when refering to sets of Pirates that are enemies…

              No, I brought up authority to show you that the respect you where talking about was authority, and Whitebeard does not have authority over Shanks. Me saying MVP is my way to show that The Whitebeard Pirates are the strongest and MVP (Most very powerful pirate) in the power balance for the Yonkou.:)

              Also, while I agree with you that BB defeating WB does change the balance, it's not in the favour of the WG or Marines. This is once again BB's attempt at deception and using a power to his aide. There's no doubt in my mind that BB will betray the WG/MHQ, as BB's final goal is to become Pirate King. Therefore, he will always be a pirate which is in direct contradiction to what the WG/MHQ are after.

              I think that about all the Shichibukai besides kuma.

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                @Jinbei:

                So, if The Whitebeard Pirates The strongest Pirate Crew out of the 4 Yonkou, was to be shut down by the WG, you think the Balance would not shift in the WG into there hands?

                Last I recall Blackbeard was not a Shichibukai at that time. Thus what the hell does the world government have to do with this at all.

                So no a pirate crew beating the whitebeard pirates does not shift the balance. If more or less might say shift it in favor of pirates, because the WG beleives their balance is based on the current 4 yonkou. ANd if anohter stronger pirate overtakes WB and his 1600 crewmates then he is obviously quite strong and would make teh WG be thinking OMG how do we stop this guy.

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                  @Jinbei:

                  No, I brought up authority to show you that the respect you where talking about was authority, and Whitebeard does not have authority over Shanks. Me saying MVP is my way to show that The Whitebeard Pirates are the strongest and MVP (Most very powerful pirate) in the power balance for the Yonkou.:)

                  Once again I don't understand how this is authority. Perhaps we have different definitions of this word.

                  @Jinbei:

                  I think that about all the Shichibukai besides kuma.

                  Doflamingo has yet to speak of becoming the Pirate King. He just talks about his new age. Either way, while most of the shichibukai may secretly be still aiming for the One Piece and title of Pirate King, none of them (to our knowledge) have confronted Whitebeard directly before. Is it a coincidence that now that Blackbeard is part of the Shichibukai that we get a direct confronation between Whitebeard and the Shichibukai?

                  BB is the one that has made the biggest difference here. He's already upset the balance, the effects just have to take place and ripple through to the rest of the world.

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                    You guys are seriously downplaying WB Pirate's strength as a crew. If indeed it is Whitebeard Pirates vs. Shichibukai then it will probably be a close battle.

                    First off nothing guarentees that all Shichibukai will be there, second only 5 people max will probably be able to fight the WB Pirates due to Moria being out of commission and Kuma being tied up with Kid. Unless Kuma doesn't plan on fighting Kid, I think that they will be in a big brawl due to Kid's power relating to metal somehow and Kuma being a cyborg and all.(loose arguement, but definitely a possibility)

                    So, if we have all 5 of the Shichibukai fighting WB Pirates, chances are that Whitebeard alone can take on 2 of them, I mean he is the strongest man in the world. Now Luffy has been able to take out 2 Shichibukai by himself, and since Ace is definitely more powerful than Luffy, I'm willing to bet that Marco(1st mate) and Jozu(3rd mate) are able to at least hold their own against a Shichibukai.

                    Based on these numbers alone the WB Pirates are at a disadvantage, but nothing guarentees that all 5 available Shichibukai are going to fight. If all 5 do I'm willing to bet that Shanks will be there to intervene because he cares about Ace. If Shanks crew does get involved you can either say goodbye to Shichibukai, or a retreat/surrendering of Ace due to WG not wanting to disrupt the balance over one pirate.

                    Now you can counter argue this by saying that 2 yonkou wouldn't be able to take out the Shichibukai, but due to the fact that Admirals make up the other part of the balance, this is definitely a possibility.

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                      @dkn29:

                      I'm willing to bet that Shanks will be there to intervene because he cares about Ace.

                      He does? I missed that. Chapter plz.

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                        @dkn29

                        You are not including the Admirals and other powerful WG fighters, why? If Shanks did indeed show up and destroy the WG's battle plans you can be certain they would throw in those strong fighters on their side.

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                          @Hinscher:

                          Last I recall Blackbeard was not a Shichibukai at that time. Thus what the hell does the world government have to do with this at all.

                          Blackbeard is a Shichibukai, so it has alot to do with the WG now.

                          So no a pirate crew beating the whitebeard pirates does not shift the balance. If more or less might say shift it in favor of pirates, because the WG beleives their balance is based on the current 4 yonkou. ANd if anohter stronger pirate overtakes WB and his 1600 crewmates then he is obviously quite strong and would make teh WG be thinking OMG how do we stop this guy.

                          its the Shichibukai vs Whitebeard Pirates as Doflamingo puts it, not some Pirate that has nothing to do with the WG.
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                          Once again I don't understand how this is authority. Perhaps we have different definitions of this word.

                          Im not saying its authority, I was correcting you coz you seem to think respect = authority, that is not the case, thats all Im saying. Maybe you might have misread something?

                          Doflamingo has yet to speak of becoming the Pirate King. He just talks about his new age. Either way, while most of the shichibukai may secretly be still aiming for the One Piece and title of Pirate King, none of them (to our knowledge) have confronted Whitebeard directly before. Is it a coincidence that now that Blackbeard is part of the Shichibukai that we get a direct confronation between Whitebeard and the Shichibukai?

                          I didn't mean all the Shichibukai are after One Piece, what I ment was that they may be secretly using the WG until, they get what they need and once they get that there will be no need to play Shichibukai anymore.

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                            @Jinbei:

                            Blackbeard is a Shichibukai, so it has alot to do with the WG now.

                            its the Shichibukai vs Whitebeard Pirates as Doflamingo puts it, not some Pirate that has nothing to do with the WG.

                            You can not argue these points. We were talkign about the shanks incident with Whitebeard. This happened before Blackbeard fought Ace, and Before Blackbeard was a Shichibukai.

                            So it does not matter what it has to do with the government now. So at the time fo their confrontation Shanks was not Warning Whitebeard about Blackbeard because of the World Balance.

                            SO dont' keep bringing the World Government into this. They have nothing to do with the Shanks/Whitebeard incident. ANd no matter what happens in the future will ever have an effect on that incident. And event in the future can not effect an event in the past.

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                              @Hinscher:

                              You can not argue these points. We were talkign about the shanks incident with Whitebeard. This happened before Blackbeard fought Ace, and Before Blackbeard was a Shichibukai.

                              So it does not matter what it has to do with the government now. So at the time fo their confrontation Shanks was not Warning Whitebeard about Blackbeard because of the World Balance.

                              SO dont' keep bringing the World Government into this. They have nothing to do with the Shanks/Whitebeard incident. ANd no matter what happens in the future will ever have an effect on that incident. And event in the future can not effect an event in the past.

                              What are you talking about? We are talking about Whitebeard going up against the WG and the Balance. That is the main subject. I never said Blackbeard will beat Whitebeard and upset the balance before he was a Shichibukai. Heck the Shanks incident with Whitebeard argument was not even about Blackbeard beating Whitebeard and upsetting the balance before he was a Shichibukai. So where are you getting all of this stuff from?

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                                @Jinbei:

                                Im not saying its authority, I was correcting you coz you seem to think respect = authority, that is not the case, thats all Im saying. Maybe you might have misread something?

                                Please don't tell me what I was thinking. I don't think respect = authority and I never said anything to imply this. What I perceive and what you perceive can be different.

                                From my point of view, Shanks respected Whitebeard and this was the reason he approached an enemy to talk about the Blackbeard / Ace situation, and to try to get Whitebeard to call Ace off the hunt instead of Shanks trying to contact Ace directly.

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                                  @freedom:

                                  From my point of view, Shanks respected Whitebeard and this was the reason he approached an enemy to talk about the Blackbeard / Ace situation, and to try to get Whitebeard to call Ace off the hunt instead of Shanks trying to contact Ace directly.

                                  Hinscher already told and he was right of course:

                                  TALKING TO ACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION.

                                  So forget everything you wanted to conclude from that. Seriously, Ace had personal dedication + direct orders. Shanks would never be so stupid to believe he had any say in the matter. The Whitebread was the only one that could have stopped Ace.

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                                    @Jinbei:

                                    What are you talking about? We are talking about Whitebeard going up against the WG and the Balance. That is the main subject. I never said Blackbeard will beat Whitebeard and upset the balance before he was a Shichibukai. Heck the Shanks incident with Whitebeard argument was not even about Blackbeard beating Whitebeard and upsetting the balance before he was a Shichibukai. So where are you getting all of this stuff from?

                                    We were discussing the incident about Shanks and Whitebeard talking about Ace going after blackbeard. And you were saying that shanks warned Whitebeard about blackbeard because he did not want the world balance upset.

                                    Shanks went to warn Whitebeard about Blackbeard coming for his position.

                                    I really don't think Shanks gives a crap about Pirates defeating other pirates or more or less even marines defeating pirates. He just out of respect told him that while he was there, and also to emphesize the point of calling back Ace.

                                    Yes I know the topic is not about that event, but we were talking about it, thus probably confusion by both of us. I was only refering to that scene as in Shanks would not give a shit if Whitebeard was beaten. Sure maybe he might, but only cause he might like Whitebeard more than Blackbeard. But it has nothing to do with the rest of the world.

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                                      @Elric:

                                      Hinscher already told and he was right of course:

                                      TALKING TO ACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION.

                                      So forget everything you wanted to conclude from that. Seriously, Ace had personal dedication + direct orders. Shanks would never be so stupid to believe he had any say in the matter. The Whitebread was the only one that could have stopped Ace.

                                      I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing. haha. Nonetheless, this has nothing to do with Ace. It's a respect among pirates, and that's what I'm talking about. Like a pirate code.

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                                        @freedom:

                                        I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing. haha.

                                        I didn't mention it. hoho.
                                        @freedom:

                                        Nonetheless, this has nothing to do with Ace. It's a respect among pirates, and that's what I'm talking about. Like a pirate code.

                                        I disagree and you can't spell disagree without agree.

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                                          AAAANYWAY, with the most recent chapter I'm more convinced than ever that Rayleigh will have to take down an Admiral, and Luffy will have to deal with Garp. And I don't think Garp will take it easy on him this time.

                                          Er, well maybe Garp will go after Rayleigh, since Kizaru probably doesn't even know he's on the island.

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                                            How do you think Kizaru managed to arrive before Garp who started three chapters ahead of him?

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                                              Garp might have fallen asleep or gone off to eat something.

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                                                @dkn29:

                                                You guys are seriously downplaying WB Pirate's strength as a crew. If indeed it is Whitebeard Pirates vs. Shichibukai then it will probably be a close battle.

                                                First off nothing guarentees that all Shichibukai will be there, second only 5 people max will probably be able to fight the WB Pirates due to Moria being out of commission and Kuma being tied up with Kid. Unless Kuma doesn't plan on fighting Kid, I think that they will be in a big brawl due to Kid's power relating to metal somehow and Kuma being a cyborg and all.(loose arguement, but definitely a possibility)

                                                It's more likely that Kuma is going to plow through the Supernovas on his way to the summons. Kuma's being propped up as an uber-power right now, so he wouldn't be matched so soon afterward.

                                                So, if we have all 5 of the Shichibukai fighting WB Pirates, chances are that Whitebeard alone can take on 2 of them, I mean he is the strongest man in the world. Now Luffy has been able to take out 2 Shichibukai by himself, and since Ace is definitely more powerful than Luffy, I'm willing to bet that Marco(1st mate) and Jozu(3rd mate) are able to at least hold their own against a Shichibukai.

                                                First of all, ALL the Strawhats took on Moria at once, and Luffy barely beat Crocodile after Croc decided not to use his main power (until his blind desperate rage at the end), with Luffy on death's door afterward. The Shichibukai are nothing to sneeze at. Coupled with the fact that they have THE strongest swordsman in their ranks (capable of decimating entire SHIPS), as well as a living WMD, and a man who can take control of others, they're not a group to be underestimated. The entire reason the WG has them on their side is their power and infamy, to keep the Emperors quiet. Honestly, with all the Shichibukai, plus presumably the top fighters in the Marines present, Whitebeard is royally fucked if he tries to take back Ace by head-on force. He can have all the fame and titles he wants, with a setup like this, he's screwed.

                                                Based on these numbers alone the WB Pirates are at a disadvantage, but nothing guarentees that all 5 available Shichibukai are going to fight. If all 5 do I'm willing to bet that Shanks will be there to intervene because he cares about Ace. If Shanks crew does get involved you can either say goodbye to Shichibukai, or a retreat/surrendering of Ace due to WG not wanting to disrupt the balance over one pirate.

                                                You seem to be buying into OP's propping-up of certain people a little too strongly. There's a reason that the WG and Shichibukai act as parts of this balance. Do you honestly think this balance would mean dick if 2 out of the 4 Emperors could decimate the WG AND the Shichibukai?! Also, it's very unlikely Shanks will intervene, and if he did, Whitebeard would be royally pissed.

                                                Hell, if Luffy knows better than to try and rescue his own brother, I doubt Shanks would do it.

                                                Now you can counter argue this by saying that 2 yonkou wouldn't be able to take out the Shichibukai, but due to the fact that Admirals make up the other part of the balance, this is definitely a possibility.

                                                The Admirals don't make up the balance, the government does. OP isn't all power levels, there's a political, and yes, "romantic" element to it. As I said in another topic, someone liek Aokiji could probably tear through types like Whitebeard and Shanks (from what we know), but the series props them up to be above everyone else. The Emperors may be powerful and influential, but they're still up against OTHER powerful pirates with a great degree of infamy that outnumber them, and a massive, global network of government and law enforcement with seemingly endless resources, and powerful people in their own rights.

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                                                  I would guess that Kizaru was… basically... on the island. That's why he could get there first.

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                                                    The Admirals don't make up the balance, the government does.

                                                    I thought it was supposed to be the Marine HQ?

                                                    I would guess that Kizaru was… basically... on the island. That's why he could get there first.

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                                                    He seems to be where Sengoku is. Unless Sengoku has gone somewhere else (since talking with Garp) Garp should have started from roughly the same place.

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                                                    What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                        Wouldn't it be funny if Kizaru was actually Dragon.

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                                                          What are you talking about? And how would that be funny?

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                                                            because then Dragon would have a split personality and work both for and against the WG. And we would have another reunion like the one Luffy had with Garp… And Garp will be there too.

                                                            Originally Posted by Ivotas

                                                            What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                              Nice one Captain Shmeckie, That is a good post.

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                                                              I thought it was supposed to be the Marine HQ?

                                                              Yea its is, and the Admirals are the WG greatest fighting power so they would be consider a big reason why the MHQ are apart of the 3 powers.

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                                                                Yea its is, and the Admirals are the WG greatest fighting power so they would be consider a big reason why the MHQ are apart of the 3 powers.

                                                                So if we are arguing semantics, which is it in the end? The admirals, the marines, the marine HQ or the world government?

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                                                                What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                                  @Jinbei:

                                                                  a big reason why the MHQ are apart of the 3 powers.

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                                                                    @Gorlom:

                                                                    So if we are arguing semantics, which is it in the end? The admirals, the marines, the marine HQ or the world government?

                                                                    If we are talking about Orders in the end, its the WG, if we are talking about power its the Admirals, who put the MHQ in that spot right beside the other 2.

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                                                                      I think we were talking about the balance with the Emperors and Warlords?

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                                                                      What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                                          Oh, you just lost me. I thought we where talking about the MHQ and why they are apart of the 3 powers. My bad^^;

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                                                                            Wouldn't it be funny if Kizaru was actually Dragon.

                                                                            wyh would you say this. i dont undertsand. wait, haha, now i do;: village idiot. hahah pwned . think harder next time please

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                                                                              Well after hearing it from don flamingo i was wondering who the hell would whitebeard beat the shikibukai when there third best fighter was kept captive by the world goverment so do you think the straw hats will get involved in the brawl or not its speculation.

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                                                                                I think it would be Whitebeard and Shanks going to go save Ace.I think Luffy has his own prblms at the moment.And I think Whitebeard is going to and the Whitebeards crew joins shanks crew to avenge whitebeard.

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                                                                                  Maybe even Dragoon will show his face or will he be too busy taken over the world and what not.

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                                                                                    one thing is for sure - with the new chapter we get a new weapon and a new possibillity… couse if Marines can do sth like that (if this are Marines behind it), than we can have a great action!!

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                                                                                      What new weapon are you talking about shen_ron?

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                                                                                        an army of Pacifistas, or whatever you would like to call it - there is Kuma on this island or should I say his two copies, so there can be more of them - hard times for pirates

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                                                                                          Who says that Kuma ever really had a Devil Fruit? Maybe it just seemed that way? The teleporting, "bear paw" stuff, etc? It could all be technology.

                                                                                          But hell yeah, Kizaru is an amazing character. I can't wait to see what he'll do when he meets the kid with the axe, and how it affects the WAAAAAAAAARRRR!!!

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                                                                                            It was stated by Kuma himself in chapter 484 that the "bear paw stuff" as you call it is due to a Devil Fruit.
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                                                                                            Kuma: I have the "Nikyu Nikyu Fruit" powers…
                                                                                            I am a "Pad-man"!!!

                                                                                            (Note: Pad is "nikukyu" in Japanese.)

                                                                                            Sanji: P...

                                                                                            Usopp: Padman?!!

                                                                                            Nami: That sounds so GENTLE!!!

                                                                                            Franky: Are there comforting Devil Fruit Powers, too?!
                                                                                            They could be Seven Armed Seas or Fluffy Armed Kitties for all I care...
                                                                                            What if he's actually way more of a pushover than we thought...?
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                                                                                              I was thinking he maybe lied. But I guess Oda's never lied about a DF before, you you're probably right.

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                                                                                                I don't see how WB can come out of this war on top. It seems to me as if WB washed up/ almost washed up. He is the last of a dying bread the same may go for Shanks. The OP world is turning and must going moving forward the Old Legends are going to fall and the rise of new people to take their place. The super novas who ever can survive this attack I think Uroge is dead. Mixed in with what Rayleigh said this is the new age of pirates the change in the OP world is coming.

                                                                                                Well that just my theory discuss flame bash do what ever LMK what you think. Discuss. !!!

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                                                                                                  He's still considered the strongest man in the world, he can't be that washed up. The Shichibukai have a pretty good chance of wrecking him though.

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                                                                                                    If he is, we could bake some more.

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                                                                                                      @STAREYe:

                                                                                                      He's still considered the strongest man in the world, he can't be that washed up. The Shichibukai have a pretty good chance of wrecking him though.

                                                                                                      What I meant by washed is he one of the few who remember the old seas. He isn't apart of the new pirate age that was started from Rogers words so maybe instead of washed up an old timer would be more accurate of a description however his time has come and now its passed and gone.

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                                                                                                        If you're talking about it THAT way, it would only give him an advantage. He's more experienced, and knows a lot more than other people. I fail to see how THAT would be his downfall.

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                                                                                                        He is the last of a dying bread

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