Since Doflamingo
there are two kinds of logos, "anti" and "pro", as we find more and more at the entrance to Red line…
What's the signification? A Political philosophy?
(Sorry for my english)
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Logo "Acid" signification theories
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Well I did once see someone write a theory that the smilie represents the Pirate Age, or Gold Roger since he smiled at his death…
...And I suppose a crossed off one would be "against" the Pirate age/King/whatever. I don't believe this theory myself... But I thought I'd repeat this since someone will come up with it (I want to be first for a change!).
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The crossed out ones are the bitches who sold out to the government
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me thinks you're right… Doflamingo said himself that the pirate age we know is over and we have to prepare for New Age (or whatever it was called), so the smile of Roger and crossed smile as the New Age can be correct
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I think there is a link with New age too, like Bellamy said, "there is no place for dreamer", and he was wearing the anti logo…
So there is a logo "pro" is for the dreamers pirates, and anti is for the New Age, with a no-dream piracy
So Trafalgar law is a "dreamer" pirates two... But it does not mean that Law is a good pirate, BB have a dream too
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Well I did once see someone write a theory that the smilie represents the Pirate Age, or Gold Roger since he smiled at his death…
...And I suppose a crossed off one would be "against" the Pirate age/King/whatever. I don't believe this theory myself... But I thought I'd repeat this since someone will come up with it (I want to be first for a change!).
I like this theory. It makes sense. People with the smiley face logo are the ones who support Gold Roger, or his 'style of piracy'…
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Okay since this may come true and a lot of you like it…
Lets say from now on I maintain the notion whatever I say theory that happens will not happen. And I don't support that thoery I put up and someone came up with it not me, SOOOO... It most likely the thoery I posted will become right this time. the only downside is, this isn't my thoery and it would be nice to have something I say happen.
Does anyone know who came up with idea first though? O.o
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For the record the Slave Auction symbol really isn't the same as DonFlamingo's. Here:
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[/hide]See how Doflamingo's symbol doesn't have any of that flower background or notches? Also, there's the difference in the curve of the smile, lack of lower teeth and presence of a nose. So while the flags may be related, the Slavers are not officially members of DoFlamingo's crew.
My interpretation is that it is simply a matter of Pirate vs Antipirate. All the crossed out skull organizations have a thing against traditional pirates.
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SMILEY FACE!!!
hmmm…
Could it be...
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes
…The above quote certainly fits in with "turning a blind eye to ongoing slave trade"
I'd say in OP...
Smiley face represents freedom of will
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@Ne0:
Crossed out smiley face represents lack of will/Individuality
Yeah, thats so the type of symbolic I'll have in mind when making my pirate flag:getlost:. People don't make themselves symbols that represent bad stuff about them.
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Ummm there have been these types of symbols since ace was introduced. I don't think they will mean anything until Oda answers an SBS though …
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there always could be various branches of his crew like Whitebeard's
including Law's branch and the slaving company
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For the record the Slave Auction symbol really isn't the same as DonFlamingo's. Here:
[hide][qimg]http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000303/05.jpg[/qimg][/hide]See how Doflamingo's symbol doesn't have any of that flower background or notches? Also, there's the difference in the curve of the smile, lack of lower teeth and presence of a nose. So while the flags may be related, the Slavers are not officially members of DoFlamingo's crew.
My interpretation is that it is simply a matter of Pirate vs Antipirate. All the crossed out skull organizations have a thing against traditional pirates.
Shamed my sign.
To me, that implies that maybe Bellamy added the crossing out himself.
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Eh? No, Doflamingo is (most likely) talking about Bellamy's actions, not what he did to his flag/mark/sign.
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Bellamy lost while using Doflamingo's flag, to a rookie. He didn't care what Bellamy was up to, not even random killing people as a test. But he shamed the flag of Dolamingo's and he didn't like it.
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There's one more of these symbols. The tubes that are connected to Whitebeard (best seen in chapter 233) have also a "pro" smiley.
So we have two variations of both. Whitebeards and Laws for the "pro" faction, Doflamingos and Auction House for the "anti" faction.
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The symbols strike me as a parallel to the Jolly Roger, which we see a variant of on every pirate ship flag; it's a skull or some similar kind of profile picture. It signifies subscribing to a certain ideal "in one's own style". In a sense, it's similar to the Fishfolk tatoos, D., and similar group insignias.
I'm taking the Whitebeard symbol (or the symbol of the people who constructed his IV), the slave auctioneer's (haven't read this chapter yet by the way) and de Flamingo's to be variants of the same ideal. If it's the "New Age" Piracy Jolly Roger, de Flamingo's might mean he doesn't follow any particular ideal, but does seem too so it's tough to interpret what it means.
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Eh? No, Doflamingo is (most likely) talking about Bellamy's actions, not what he did to his flag/mark/sign.
Meh, Potato, Potahto.
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logo….. acid? Is that the smiley faces name now?
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can some explain this pro and anti on the jolly rogers?, are the symbols that have some sort of bone or extention besides the skull make it a pro symbol?
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Pipio: No skulls. Grinning smilies, like this one:
.The "anti" ones have a diagonal line over them, just like traffic signs that forbid motor verhicles on a particular street or shop signs forbidding dogs into the store.
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I compiled all the seen smilies so far:
Either this is some grand mystery tied all together…. or Oda just really likes Smilies
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They are most probably there to demonstrate each persons different political/social philosophys.
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Very nice compilation grand jedi. Seeing them all together like that, I'm fairly confident that the stylistic similarities do not reflect any historical or philosophical relation between them. The smiley skull is probably just an alternative for the traditional keyhole shaped skull seen on most other pirate flags.
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Oh God, the Laughing Man logo from Ghost in the Shell.
ACE = COMEDY AND TRADEGY.
I guess the smiles are kinda random. If there is a link between them, I have no theory. I'm just posting here because I can.
I think someone needs to eat a happle. <3Mah dA.Bombing for peace is like having sex for virginity. -
Very nice compilation grand jedi. Seeing them all together like that, I'm fairly confident that the stylistic similarities do not reflect any historical or philosophical relation between them. The smiley skull is probably just an alternative for the traditional keyhole shaped skull seen on most other pirate flags.
No, I think there is a meaning to it. When you cross something out, it means u disagree with something. Its like gang graffiti. The crossed out smileys mean alot IMO. Same as pirate flags that are crossed out or turned upside down.
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Pipio: No skulls. Grinning smilies, like this one:
.The "anti" ones have a diagonal line over them, just like traffic signs that forbid motor verhicles on a particular street or shop signs forbidding dogs into the store.
oh thank you for explaining that, didnt really get what the first post was talking about. I never really saw a difference in the smiles vs the skulls,only that usually symbols with lines through them have meaning. Shank's symbol is one that has alot of meaning to it.
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first i thought this symbol could be something like "doskoi panda" after seeing it on WB
s infusion.. but now i believe that its rly just a often used symbol like the jolly roger in different ways
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Don Flamingo and his followers, those he's elected to lead the "New Era" of piracy with him, don the crossed smiley face skull.
We can only assume that the smiley face skull is a representation of everything the "Golden Age of Pirates" stands for, dreams, adventure, and the search for one piece.
I don't think Don Flamingo cares about one piece, he cares about eliminating the weak for the strong, and he's declared war on the Golden Era of Piracy.
I am interested in seeing how Trafalgar Law reacts to Don Flamingo and his followers, and in what kind of man Law is himself, since he seems to don the opposite symbol of that flamingo asshat.
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hmm… this is an interesting concept. but I have to know more about Law and his motives to really make a good guess. All i've seem him do is ask someone about killing, lay around with a cocky grin, and flip someone off. Now given his nickname, a vague analysis reputation by Kidd, and the fact that he seems to be participating in a auction of slaves... i really wouldn't call him a 'good guy'. Which is confusing since it's implied in this thead that the crossed out logo represents antagonistic elements (Dolflamingo, Slave auction).
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He is at the auction but we have no idea why he's at the auction.
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perhaps he's really there to buy Rayleigh? I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult for a top ranking rookie to figure out that the famous first mate is there. And Law seems to be the more cunning sort… or sadistic.
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Law's symbol bears no relation to Doflamingo's. That is why they're DIFFERENT. Yes, you could argue that they use the same type of face, but you could also argue that most pirate flags share the same type of skull. If they're different symbols, then they're different.
The auction house's emblem, however, is too similar. The difference is that the mouth isn't curved, but that may have been since it's a background detail. I believe their connection is certainly possible, if not likely.
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@Don:
first i thought this symbol could be something like "doskoi panda" …
Ha! I'd have a good laugh if that was the case: if it was just another designer label, like Doskoi or Criminal or Mermaid.
I compiled all the seen smilies so far:
http://i29.tinypic.com/11uafz8.png
Either this is some grand mystery tied all together…. or Oda just really likes Smilies
Thanks for the compilation – that certainly helps with comparisons!
Hmm... I didn't notice it before, but the auction house logo seems to have a vaguely Skypiean border around it. Almost looks like it was inspired by Aztec or Mayan art, as so much of Skypiean art and architecture does.
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Maybe I've just been reading too much of the Elric saga, but…
Take a look at the smiley face on Whitebeard's IV bag and compare it to Law's: Whitebeard's smiley only has the one line at the top, whereas Law's has eight horizontal lines arranged like spokes in a wheel. Order vs. Chaos? Or just looking too deep again? You decide.
EDIT: Except that Law's smiley doesn't have eight horizontal lines- it only has six. Proving once again that I can't count… oh well.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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Well have seen it mentioned before and I am also leaning towards the following theory…
The smiley represents the so called standard age of piracy...
- dreams
- freedom
in particular (dreams about stuff like one piece...and "freedom" which comes with piracy such as sailing the wast sea.. )
Now the crossed our smiley would then be representing what Bellamy the hyena talked about...new age of piracy = dreams = A JOKE...
Freedom, as dreams can go to the bin!Now supporting this theory:
- WB has a normal smiley…he is a pirate from the - old age of piracy and he believes in dreams and such
- Trafalgar (we know too little about him)
- Auction place..normally where you sell slaves, also slaves that are former pirates and such the mark is fitting…there are no dreams in this new era...also freedom is not present!
- Don flamingo symbol again has a crossed out smiley…and if we think a bit...his subordinate was Bellamy who didnt believe in dreams but more over, whats perhaps even more interesting, the power of his DF inclines he is able to controll other ppl, or at least their movements, which again shows the ANTI-freedom side which is then materialised in his smiley(flag-symbol)...
Thats how I see it anyway and its just an opinion nth more...
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I agree with you on the point concerning Doflamingo.
A flag that state "No freedom" suits him and his power indeed.What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Seems rather stupid to compare them like that. AS I said, you might as well compare every pirate flag with a skull on it.
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Hey, Law have a "world governement" tatoo on is fist…
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Law's symbol bears no relation to Doflamingo's. That is why they're DIFFERENT. Yes, you could argue that they use the same type of face, but you could also argue that most pirate flags share the same type of skull. If they're different symbols, then they're different.
The auction house's emblem, however, is too similar. The difference is that the mouth isn't curved, but that may have been since it's a background detail. I believe their connection is certainly possible, if not likely.
You contradict yourself in your post. Pirate flags are different but what do they represent? Pirates.
Our entire point is that the symbols are ying/yangs of each other, and so related in a perpendicular fashion. Or at least that's the speculation, and from the abundance of clues even down to the minutia of the Auction House's smileys on the wall, we certainly have reason to believe that something's up.
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Also one more thing Kid, has his own version of the smiley or at least one of his crewmen has it…
It looks like its mouth are sewed like that of a zombie and interesting enough one of his crewman looks like that...
Blue
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I think that Kid's reaction to the sale of the mermaid to the world noble is more evidence of his views of the new world order that those who don his symbol (or various versions of it) crossed out carry. It's interesting to see Kid characterized as someone who is a pessimist and not very evil, or if evil, only so by circumstance and not of his own nature. As though he is as he is because the world is as it is and he sees it as his only means.
I'm pretty sure that the smiley's in general represent the OG Pirates and that the whole point of putting a cross over the symbol is to represent their elimination and the subsequent establishment of a new era.
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The smiles are back!!
I'm sure a revival is due since its now been confirmed that dolflamingo endorsed the slave trade. I never saw where the whitebeard smiley was from, does anyone have a chapter?
