Law has a bear for a nakama. That's all I need to know to like him.
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Kidd new Nemesis or new Rival?
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well come on if the supernovae are gonna fight the strawhats you can already draw strings for whos gonna go against who…. just im thinking thats FAR too obvious a tangent for Oda to take....
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I realy like how no one has a clou what's going to happen next so we have about a hundret theories flying around here
.I must say this speaks for Odas skill of writing.
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Yeah kinda the point i was trying tah make Law… Oda just keeps you guessing... its AWESOME =D
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You can't really make such a boisterous claim.
I have faith in Oda-sensei's writing skills such that he'll make a plot which will incorporate all these pirates in one way or the other.
You really expect something from Bonny, Capone, Apoo and that other guy?
Gorlak wants you for the army
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You really expect something from Bonny, Capone, Apoo and that other guy?
Of course. Bonny looks like a perfect ally to me and Apoo WILL get some attention I bet. Oda usually like the freaky types.
Well we are running in circles now. Oda keeps us guessing
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You really expect something from Bonny, Capone, Apoo and that other guy?
Yes, I am. I'm expecting full character development, their powers delved into and that they all make a difference to the plot.
We already got a sneak peak of what Bonney can do.
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Chapter 500 we establish 3 new characters:
Kidd- From what we see he has a strong sense of morality while being a pirate. He looks as if hes going to fight Law.
Law- An overall jacka. Probably just a character to be beaten up by Kidd to show his strength.
From this we are already seeing a theme: The guys name is Law, Kidd believes the law is evil, the government is corrupted, therefore he will go against the "Law". He obviously wants to be pirate king but most likely has a great goal of taking down the World Government. Kidd seems to already be seen as a strong character. Most likely he will not fight Luffy, but befriend him.And then Silver Raleigh- He's the most interesting from this chapter, hes the coating guy they are going to see and has this interesting power which kills a man.
The most important line is: "If someone interesting shows up we should buy them". Basically hinting that Kidd is going to buy Camie. Not for the intentions of evil, but justice, selling people is immoral. I think we judged a book by its cover. Kidd seems like a morally strong person, not an evil killer.
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Chapter 500 we establish 3 new characters:
Kidd- From what we see he has a strong sense of morality while being a pirate. He looks as if hes going to fight Law.
Law- An overall jacka. Probably just a character to be beaten up by Kidd to show his strength.
From this we are already seeing a theme: The guys name is Law, Kidd believes the law is evil, the government is corrupted, therefore he will go against the "Law". He obviously wants to be pirate king but most likely has a great goal of taking down the World Government. Kidd seems to already be seen as a strong character. Most likely he will not fight Luffy, but befriend him.And then Silver Raleigh- He's the most interesting from this chapter, hes the coating guy they are going to see and has this interesting power which kills a man.
The most important line is: "If someone interesting shows up we should buy them". Basically hinting that Kidd is going to buy Camie. Not for the intentions of evil, but justice, selling people is immoral. I think we judged a book by its cover. Kidd seems like a morally strong person, not an evil killer.
Sorry, but I have to disagree completely with your assessment.
A strong sense of morality? I think he's just making fun of the hypocritical world. We've already heard that he killed lots of people and not just marines, but mostly rather helpless civilians. Where's the moral in that?As for Law to serve as fodder to hype Kidd, no way. He's one of the elites among the supernovae he can't get owned so easily. If you meant a guy like Capone sure, but not Law.
Raleigh's power didn't kill anyone. He just scared that slaver into unconsciousness.
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Don't forget Laboon, he's the only "officially declared" rival of Luffy!
Kid is the only one who had his crew take up almost a full page so far, and stating his view on the world.
Law has an interesting crew as well. The drawings of his subordinates are just as unique (esp. the bear) I wonder what happened to Drake?
I don't like to think that only 1 other Supernova will make it through this arc besides Luffy and Zoro. The ones that makes through this arc will all in a way be Luffy's rival for One Piece
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I also think that Kid is just beeing sarcastic about how hypocratical the worlds "justice" is. I think he is quite the badass himself. And so is Law. I mean you would have to be at least a littel sarcastic and sadistic to enjoy a slave auction.
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Ok….
Not commenting on the Kidd vs Law civil war, i'd just like to say that being a rival doesn't mean being the final or ultimate boss... no no no. It just mean that they'd see each other number of times and they would either fight or compete to accomplish something first or some thing like that. And since all these super novas are aiming to get one piece, then I think its safe to say that they are all the strawhat's rival (unless some of them really don't care bout one piece). And some of you will say that the 4 emperors should also be considered, but the difference in standings or title (4 emperors > 11 Supernovas) isn't really equal, and I believe that if Oda was to introduce a recurring rival pirate crew, it had to be one of these supernovas. That is, if he is even considering this idea. But hey, what is an epic story without rivalry?
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@ysn:
mate, anything "may" happen. Bill Clinton may turn up as Robin's "Daddy", Conan O'Brien might join the crew and Luffy may need to fight The Rock to gain his one piece speedo in the end. It's all possible. It's all good. Doesn't mean it's all gonna happen, right? On the basis on what we have seen Kid will be the more meaningful character. And on the basis on what we have seen his crew seems much more developed and unique. Yep, things might change and this may in the end just be a jab to focus our attention to the wrong thing, but we don't know that. That's what makes it cool. Sooo, that's my feeling and that is what all evidence we currently have is pointing at. But you never know, maybe you'll be right and it's gonna be Bonney or Apoo who will matter in the end. I just don't see that happening.
Evidence, eh? ok.. I wouldn't quite call it that though. It's your opinion based on your values. But you're free to guess all you like, no matter what you base it on. (I am too so I'm not trying to be condescending)
@Trafalga:I agree with vsn. We don't know what will happen allwe can do is guess. And the most efficent way to do this is trying to think "if I was Oda, what would I do and who would I develope". The fact that we don't know for shure and Oda may still surpriese us is the fun about it. This way we are amazed when something happens we didn't see coming and we feel kind of cool if we sa wit coming
.I personaly must say that Kid and Law just sting out because they have had multiple apearances at the center of attention 8which Drake, Hawkins, Capote or the big Monk Guy havn't). Maybe after chapter 501 everything looks different again.
I like how you are agreeing with ysn when it's me that is advocating the uncertainty stance… =P
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Ok….
Not commenting on the Kidd vs Law civil war, i'd just like to say that being a rival doesn't mean being the final or ultimate boss... no no no. It just mean that they'd see each other number of times and they would either fight or compete to accomplish something first or some thing like that. And since all these super novas are aiming to get one piece, then I think its safe to say that they are all the strawhat's rival (unless some of them really don't care bout one piece). And some of you will say that the 4 emperors should also be considered, but the difference in standings or title (4 emperors > 11 Supernovas) isn't really equal, and I believe that if Oda was to introduce a recurring rival pirate crew, it had to be one of these supernovas. That is, if he is even considering this idea. But hey, what is an epic story without rivalry?
Come to think of it, are all of the Supernovas after the One Piece? For all we know, most if not all of them could have their own specific dreams driving them to the New World. Though I'm sure that one or two are after the One Piece/Pirate King status, I can't help doubting all of them are.
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Evidence, eh? ok.. I wouldn't quite call it that though. It's your opinion based on your values. But you're free to guess all you like, no matter what you base it on. (I am too so I'm not trying to be condescending)
well, yeah. It's what's been hinted at so far and what seems the most obvious. That doesn't mean that it's what's gonna gappen or even what I want and believe will happen.
My personal belief is that there will be a Grand Melee between the supernovas and the Marine HQ ppl. I just don't see any other reason to introduce these other pirates if they don't play a role in the ark and the majority of them won't have a place in the further development of the series. The only way to use them is in some grand battle that showcases each of them but only a few survive to be really developed into series-long characters. Kid is showing some potential, Law probably as well. Bonney, Urouge, Capone….eve Hawkins - I really doubt we'll be seeing much of any of them in the future.
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Couldn't being able to hold a low profile now be speaking for them showing up later? If they manage to avoid whatever trouble the others stirr up here they might manage to make their escape into the new world.
There is more then one way of looking at things =P.
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@ysn:
well, yeah. It's what's been hinted at so far and what seems the most obvious. That doesn't mean that it's what's gonna gappen or even what I want and believe will happen.
My personal belief is that there will be a Grand Melee between the supernovas and the Marine HQ ppl. I just don't see any other reason to introduce these other pirates if they don't play a role in the ark and the majority of them won't have a place in the further development of the series. The only way to use them is in some grand battle that showcases each of them but only a few survive to be really developed into series-long characters. Kid is showing some potential, Law probably as well. Bonney, Urouge, Capone….eve Hawkins - I really doubt we'll be seeing much of any of them in the future.
Bounties are determined by how dangerous the world goverment estimates the Pirates. So it may (as stated further up in a post) also be that some of the "lower" bounties just managed to kind of keep out of trouble. In the end Luffy and Kid only got this epic bounties because of the havoc they left in their trail. Look at Black beard. Bounty 0 and now a shichibukai.
And what do you even mean by LOW bounties? I mean HEY. robin was always asumed superstrong (in my point of view she still is) and even the lowest ranked supernovas ,Urouges bounty exeeds hers by far.
No no. everything may happen here. :happy: -
OK, the could go on to be a part of the story to come, but where would you place them? We already have a very large number of characters and personal dramas waiting for some sort of resolution in the new world, so how are you gonna fit a bunch of new characters in there as well? Not to mention the biggish number of new ppl we need to see to make the series interesting - keeping regurgitating old characters a la Bleach is gonna be a sad decline for OP. Additionally, it's been mentioned that the grand line has served as a great big pirate filter, leaving just the elite few rookies to get this far. It's a good bet that there is a reason they were introduced in this ark and that the supernovas will play some role in what is to come in the ark. So, logically some of them will make it further, and some will have to be filtered out at this level. Thus, my belief that it is unlikely that more than two crews besides Luffy's will continue onward and
of those we have seen Kid has been pimped up as the most interesting. With all things that are going on I find it unlikely that Oda would spend the time and effort needed to develop further 10 or so pirate groups in this ark alone. As mentioned - no time, no space for that. As for having a "quiet killer" amongst the rookies - possible, but again - what's the point? Doesn't give anything to the story, just creates clutter. -
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ysn u know ur stuff
oda cant develop ALL of those characters at once really. its all about the filters….
i mean looking at a series like naruto not even a handful of the characters get a decent amount of devving
looking at the supernovas id guess oda will see who the most popular ones are and give 2 or 3 some decent devving
i think one of them may join the SHs down the line, one of them will become a rival and one may become a nemesis for this arc
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Yes but my point is that it isn't clear that Kid and Law will be the ones who will be carried on.
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He doesn't really say that it is determined already Trafalgar. He just says that he thinks there is evidence suggesting they are the most likely.
ysn: If he can't develope them all in the same arc couldn't it be possible that he cuts the one he does develop off so that that he can play and develope the others in later arcs? All this buildup you see around kidd could just be building up towards his defeat.
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could be. To me it's likely that Kid will play a role and more than likely that his role will not be a positive one. If you remember what Shakki said - that he's gotten his bounty by killing and terrorizing civilians. That in my mind makes him a mirror reflection of Luffy and the two are likely to clash at some point. As for the others - it's quite possible to have them play a smaller role here and use them at a later date, but i doubt it would be in any major way (e.g. Luffy ends up facing Akainu and there is a flashback of Akainu crushing Drake and Apoo for example to further big him up. Or sf like that)
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It's been only like 3(or something) chapters, and we are already saying that these chracters may not be that important/filler(overused word)/or major. Smartest words I heard all day, and I just woke up
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I think Kidd simply serves as an antithesis of Luffy's bounty, showing how if you kill a lot of innocent weak people you get just as big a bounty as if you only defeat a few very important people.
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Only one who really looks like fodder is Capone and possibly Apoo.
Urouge originally looked fodder material but demonstrated some intellgience and character that would go to waste if that happened.
I think most of the Super Novas, if not all of them but Capone, will make it to the New World and then be picked off as the series goes on but not any time soon. Their crews may not all make it but the Novas themselvs should.
Luffy gonna need rivals even after becoming King or being acknowledged as the closest to it. Kidd, Drake, and Law seem like perfect candidates for Next-gen Emperors while the remaining Novas become shickibukai or play other roles.
Filler, arc only villains, fodder to make Strawhats or other characters look good not being those roles.
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I think Kidd simply serves as an antithesis of Luffy's bounty, showing how if you kill a lot of innocent weak people you get just as big a bounty as if you only defeat a few very important people.
I agree. It serves as a very good contrast. He just oozes evil! But it seems he at least has a concept of the negatives of the world, due to his talk about the Tenyrubito.
I have no idea about the rest of the supernovae though. I honestly don't see what the big deal is about Law though. IMO the most interesting thing about his character design is the smiley face on his shirt… could be connected to Dolflamingo? Other than that, i'd really like to see someone wipe that cocky grin off his face (maybe Kid?)
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I think that Kid is a good guy who looks like a bad guy. He's clearly intelligent and it's extraordinarily clear that he takes in outcasts and that he's a captain who listens to and cares about his subordinates thoughts, he even asks one of them if he agrees with him in the little screen time that we've seen.
They may have a history of violence against civilians but we don't know the story behind it. I think he'll definitely be a rival of the strawhats, but not an enemy. He's going to intentionally try to outbid Nami, and he probably has more money than her, so it will be interesting to see what happens from here.
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he's a captain who listens to and cares about his subordinates thoughts, he even asks one of them if he agrees with him in the little screen time that we've seen.
That's interesting. Perhaps it will be that sort of concept that Kidd sees his crew as Nakama that will have the largest effect on how they will confront the Strawhats? I would very much like to see Kidd more than simply a one dimensional villain. Although it wouldn't be bad seeing Crocodile topped as the evilest One Piece villain (IMO).
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Well from what we know of Kidd, there are those who even he disdains as scum, he listens to his crew, and he's calculated and intelligent.
We can probably also assume that he's extremely brutal and that he and Luffy will not get along, they may be enemies but I do not see Kidd as "evil" or at least nowhere near AS evil as some of villains we've seen like Don Krieg, Spandam, Eneru, and Crocodile. He seems like a cynical type of guy and a sort of 'punk' and he seems eager to get in confrontations, these are all very contrary to Luffy's nature.
Still, if he wasn't legitimately mean to civilians I don't think Shakky would have talked about it, so I'm going to assume that while he's not horribly individually evil, he and his crew regularly commit horrible atrocities and treat the lives of others with very little care.
Mainly I just like that his entire crew seems to consist of outcasts, just remember how evil we thought Franky was? That's why I don't want to make the assumption about Kidd.
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just remember how evil we thought Franky was? That's why I don't want to make the assumption about Kidd.
good point. Hah! that would be the day if he became the next crewmember! (pffft yeah right! Kidding!).
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He's too ambitious to disband his crew and join with the Strawhats, my point is that just because someone looks like a victimizing scumbag gangster type doesn't necessarily mean he's actually all that bad, since that's exactly what Franky was.
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But there a difference since Franky never kill people though.
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When I first saw Franky I assumed he killed people. I'm just talking about what we thought of the character before we really got to know them.
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Why do people want all likeable characters to join the Mugiwara?
Also why are people questioning Kidd's goodness levels? I think it's important to remember that white pirates (think witches) are a rarity. they are not the rule of thumb and so if there are nine pirate crews that make up the Supernova's then eight will probably be evil.
Kidd was actually an incredibly bland chracter up until he laughed on his way out of the auction house. I think we'll hear stories of stuff that he's doing up until the end of the grandline, but ultimately he'll be pummelled by Luffy for giving pirates a bad name.
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No way Kidd's gonna be a rival. He's more of a ruthless brute than someone who Eiichiro Oda would make into a rival.
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yous are forgeting yonkou luffys goal is to become the pirate king and to surpass shanks and become a great pirate so in a way shanks is luffys rival and luffy will have to beat white beard the man closest to one piece to become the pirate king
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I predict that Kidd will lose to Shanks and Law will become the new fourth Yonkou (not Kaido)
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Kidd was actually an incredibly bland chracter up until he laughed on his way out of the auction house. I think we'll hear stories of stuff that he's doing up until the end of the grandline, but ultimately he'll be pummelled by Luffy for giving pirates a bad name.
Not sure why you would think that Luffy would care how other pirates act. As long as he ain't somehow directly spreading a bad name about Luffy, why would Luffy care. He has already said he doesn't care about the world or anything. He just wants to be Pirate King and that all.
He saves his friends if the need arises, but otherwise doesn't give a shit about anything else. He wouldn't have lifted a finger for Arabasta if it weren't for Vivi. Woulnd't have gave a shit about Baratie, except that Krieg stated he wanted to be pirate king and also used the battle to get out of working for a year. And Krieg would be the worst of all the pirates for bad names.
I would say Bellamy gave pirates a bad name. And what did Luffy do there. Nothing.
