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      Trafalga Law @Gorlom
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      Jezze. What the hell is up with you guys? Since when is discussing theories about a manga that is so much fun a matter at witch you start to insult each other?

      @the side which is against fighting
      There IS going to happen something. And you must admit that the kidnapping of Camie looks like a setup for something. Maybe that realy is the case but I doubt he will just let Luffy storm in and then go all Supernovas against luffy gogogogogo! ^^

      @the side with the "hey let them just bash each other Theory"
      WHY are you so fixed on your "they will just beat each other up and thats all that counts" theory. Only Oda knows what will happen so why do you press everybody so much to say you're right? And sure this is an action manga. But do you realy want just action and would discard the story? That would be kind of sad.

      To sum it up: I just don't see why this has to be so tensed. I like a lively discussion but this is geting out of hand. just relax a little before you write the next post ok? 😉

      A game is a game. Nothing more and nothing less. act like that.

      I belive that, to become realy good at something, you have to enjoy the process not the result.

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        @Fire Fist:

        Well, I'm assuming the shipyards on Sabaody are Marine controlled. Thus, there has to be a place that pirates can coat their ships without getting caught/captured. So, it probably has to be done while the ship is still afloat. Unless, of course, they have makeshift drydocks in the lawless zone.

        There is likely an underwater drydock under Shakky's bar. A coater of Raleigh's skill could easily make a resin bubble elevator to bring Sunny down into it.

        Raleigh is the bountied former first mate of the Pirate King, so he would need someplace out of the way to work that would be protected from potential Marine/bounty hunter attacks.

        This safe haven will give the Strawhats the opportunity to get their ship coated in peace while the Admiral led WG fleet scours the town topside looking for them. Who knows, we might even get a flashback in the process.

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          Somebody needs to make a 'Super Finger' edit of that Law panel.

          No matter where you go, there you are.

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            @boiga:

            Who knows, we might even get a flashback in the process.

            I like this idea. It actually sounds quite reasonable to me to give us a flashback about Roger, the early shanks and Buggy and maybe Garp, White Beard or Sengok, while the story is circeling around Raleight.

            A game is a game. Nothing more and nothing less. act like that.

            I belive that, to become realy good at something, you have to enjoy the process not the result.

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              wow oda doesn't seem to have a lot of experience drawing the finger does he?

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                For some reason, I think the whole Admiral coming instantly is a hoax to keep the pirates from touching the nobles. I think the Strawhats will own some of them, and one of the admirals will just be like "STFU, you scum of earth nobles. You don't deserve our help."

                Or at least I can hope because I think they are scum!

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                  Ao Kiji will be all like "ah, because I'm assigned to I'll have to kill you, no hard feelings ok." Aka Inu will be like "those that oppose justice must die." Not sure about Ki Zaru, might be something in between.

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                    @Greg:

                    Somebody needs to make a 'Super Finger' edit of that Law panel.

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                      Actually, it was a fairly common practice for real world pirates to haul their ships onto sandbars so that the hull could be scraped free of barnacles and coated with pitch (tar). It helped prevent leaks and maintain seaworthiness. It was also the only option available to pirates, who couldn't use drydock facilities without risking arrest.

                      I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                        i wonder if Raleigh has the old bounty posters of Gol d rogers crew lying around.
                        and I'm still hoping for this…
                        http://apforums.net/showthread.php?p=866324#post866324

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                          Originally quoted by apathetic:
                          the idea 'temp leader' will in essence show a sign to the world government of something they would truly fear.a man capable of bring pirates together,a Pirate King.which would be a very valid reason to raise said bounty.
                          i can dream right.

                          Yeah, that would be awesome. Maybe it'll start by just inspiring the others to fight with them (the Straw Hats) and then, slowly and subtlely, they will follow Luffy's orders. Though if this does happen, how many of the 9 will follow Luffy?

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                            I don't think any will follow. Well, at least I think Law and Kidd won't. Others MIGHT follow since they have a bit of respect for Zoro from the previous incident with the Tenryuubito

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                            Jezze. What the hell is up with you guys? Since when is discussing theories about a manga that is so much fun a matter at witch you start to insult each other?

                            To sum it up: I just don't see why this has to be so tensed. I like a lively discussion but this is geting out of hand. just relax a little before you write the next post ok? 😉

                            I've been in this forum for about a year now and I do feel the discussion threads a bit 'tense'. I like the idea of people defending their points, but it would be nicer if they don't bash others' harshly. C'mon, let's have a fun discussion people!

                            It is a good day to die!

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                              So how many devil fruit users does Kid and Law crew have at most I wonder?

                              His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.

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                                @Miracles:

                                VL7, it doesn't take a genius to see that the scene is set up. Look above you, another member can see what you can NOT see.

                                No, it is not set up, its just a bunch of different pirate crews that are on the same island and none of them wants to fight the other if they have a choice. I asked you to give me one plausible scenario that would make them fight, but you can't even do that, cause all you are about is: "OMG, I wanna see them punch and kick each other just because they are there" Go watch the Power Rangers or something :getlost:

                                "Sleep brings no rest to me; The shadows of the death my wakening eyes may never see surround my bed"-Emily Bronte(The Horrors of Sleep)

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                                  Yeah, that would be awesome. Maybe it'll start by just inspiring the others to fight with them (the Straw Hats) and then, slowly and subtlely, they will follow Luffy's orders. Though if this does happen, how many of the 9 will follow Luffy?

                                  Jewly Boner looks like an ally to me. I don't know about Apoo, Hawkins, Drake and the big monk guy. Kid will defintly not team up with Luffy (he kind of reminds me of Bellamy a littel), Killer just looks to much like the perfect opponent for Zorro and as Kid won't associate I think he won't either. Capote (Mafia leader? ^^) won't team up either. Law is kind of hard to read but I think he also has his own head and doesn't like to follow orders (ok non of the supernovas does).
                                  I personally also think that Oda is trying to lure us into doing a quick ranking based on the bounties. My gutt feeling and (littel) experience in reading since tel me that Drake and Law might be just as dangerous as Kid even if their Bounties are much lower (I#m not saying low, even if their bounty reflects their strength they are monsters).
                                  God I can't wait for the next chapter 😁

                                  A game is a game. Nothing more and nothing less. act like that.

                                  I belive that, to become realy good at something, you have to enjoy the process not the result.

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                                    @Khamolen:

                                    http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/8887/superbirdew6.png

                                    You Sir, are a hero.

                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                      i wish tuesday spoilers were back

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                                        Law reminds me of L because of his antics.

                                        building Theme Parks with Blackjack and Hookers since 2002 - still forgetting the Blackjack.

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                                          I haven't really been following the boards so closely so I'm not sure, but has it been discussed that Law's tattoo on his hand resembles the WG symbol? I'm kind of curious if he has a link to them, like he was a former CP agent or something.

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                                            Is this realy the WG symbol?
                                            I think it's just a totoo that looks slightly similar (very likely to Don cichote de la flamingos symbol, of which it reminds me). I don't smell conspirancy around law. i think it's just coincidence but who knows.

                                            P.s: can you state where in the manga exactly you can see the world goverments symbol? I don't wanna search a dozen chapters again. :getlost:

                                            A game is a game. Nothing more and nothing less. act like that.

                                            I belive that, to become realy good at something, you have to enjoy the process not the result.

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                                              @Trafalga:

                                              Is this realy the WG symbol?
                                              I think it's just a totoo that looks slightly similar (very likely to Don cichote de la flamingos symbol, of which it reminds me). I don't smell conspirancy around law. i think it's just coincidence but who knows.

                                              P.s: can you state where in the manga exactly you can see the world goverments symbol? I don't wanna search a dozen chapters again. :getlost:

                                              http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/World_Government

                                              Here it is in the manga. In chapter 398.
                                              http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/106/one_piece/chapter.12356/page.11/

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                                                thnx.
                                                No it's definatly not the same. laws tatoo doesn't have full circles connected to the center. good eyes though.

                                                A game is a game. Nothing more and nothing less. act like that.

                                                I belive that, to become realy good at something, you have to enjoy the process not the result.

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                                                  I never said they were the same, just similar. Both have a large circle in the middle and 4 satellites connected via lines. It's shown quite clearly in this Ch. when he flips off kid. I just thought it might be interesting if he had a connection to the WG.

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                                                    But you could say the same thing about the symbol on his shirt. The smile with a line through it was the symbol of the Bellamy Pirates, right? Or was it Doflamingo's symbol?

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                                                      I think it was Doflamingo's symbol.

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                                                        I think this goes without say but do note that the 'face' mark also appears on Ace's attire as well as some instruments on WB's ship where Flamingo's is crossed out. This one is slightly different as well with different eyes and a nose but I think we can all agree, something is up with it.

                                                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                          the symbol for the secret society of guys trying too hard to be cool

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                                                            @VL7:

                                                            No, it is not set up, its just a bunch of different pirate crews that are on the same island and none of them wants to fight the other if they have a choice. I asked you to give me one plausible scenario that would make them fight, but you can't even do that, cause all you are about is: "OMG, I wanna see them punch and kick each other just because they are there" Go watch the Power Rangers or something :getlost:

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                                                              … Try using the one with the middle finger next time.

                                                              ~Stargazer~, ~Distance~ original stories.

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                                                                @Neomaster121:

                                                                i wish tuesday spoilers were back

                                                                Q-Q

                                                                Why…. Brankie.... Why.....

                                                                Oh hey look, a chicken.

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                                                                  I agree that it too bad that Brankie left us.

                                                                  His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.

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                                                                    any one else see the resemblance between kid on page 15 ch 500 bottom left and the Joker http://www.preschoollearningonline.com/Coloringpages/Joker.gif

                                                                    Due to irrational content, reader discretion is advised.

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                                                                      @apathetic:

                                                                      any one else see the resemblance between kid on page 15 ch 500 bottom left and the Joker http://www.preschoollearningonline.com/Coloringpages/Joker.gif

                                                                      O_O
                                                                      Oda is epicness. That's really funny though.
                                                                      Oh, I think Law will befriend Chopper btw 😄
                                                                      Just a hunch.

                                                                      Hehe, I just thought of something…
                                                                      What if Camie get's bought by the group of nobles that luffy and gang saw, and I mean the one that included the guy that tried shooting zoro, And Luffy just lays them out flat xD
                                                                      I can totally see Luffy doing that, all the supernovas getting pissed off and leaving the island super quick, and having a couple admiral's coming to the island.

                                                                      Oh hey look, a chicken.

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                                                                        Spider One as Kidd's design?

                                                                        !

                                                                        Far right, with the goggles.

                                                                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Belzebub.jpg
                                                                          I still put my money on this being the inspiration for Kidd.

                                                                          I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                                                                            @Trafalga:

                                                                            Jewly Boner looks like an ally to me.

                                                                            image of a man with huge boner dressed in traditional Jewish attire flashes through my head

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                                                                              That would be one heck of a pirate crew aohige.

                                                                              You can just imagine the circumcision themed attacks…

                                                                              Or try really hard not to, anyways.

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                                                                                Kidd,lol:

                                                                                ! From the punk band Die Ärzte

                                                                                Probably not, but they both have the same kind of grin:happy:

                                                                                "Sleep brings no rest to me; The shadows of the death my wakening eyes may never see surround my bed"-Emily Bronte(The Horrors of Sleep)

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                                                                                  That true about them having the same grin.

                                                                                  His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.

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                                                                                    So I haven't made a long or thoughtful post on recent OP chapters or OP in general for a while now. I think part of that stems from being exhausted from the work on revising the crew profile on my site. After finishing those I don't even want to 'think' about OP and would rather just sit there enjoying it with drool slowly draining from my pie hole.

                                                                                    The other major contributing factor seems to be two-fold in how I choose to experience the series. It seems that many of the speculative and minute details are all tucked away in the spoiler threads, taking much of the insane joy away from the chapter thread. Not complaining, that's just how it is. The other would be my choosing to wait for JUMP to come out which significantly staggers the time I come into the chapter conversation, which is usually in a 4chan-inspired dual over some perverted aspect of the series.

                                                                                    But anyway, I figured it's been long enough.

                                                                                    I think I'm starting to get bored of several aspects of One Piece. Such a megaton comment from the likes of myself is no doubt bound to call cries of blasphemy from the Church of Oda which I helped establish. No, stand down those of the cloth, I am not here to spread blasphemy. I just think Oda's established, proven, endearing and successful formula is starting to grow a bit old. And that formula would be, his 'exploration' chapters. Following the SH crew in their 'off time' is important. It gives Oda a chance to give characters that haven't had much interaction together new quirks, we get to learn a little bit about the island or region and its people and culture, and most importantly he can set up his new and exciting arc.

                                                                                    Now I'll be fair. The last time Oda actually gave his crew breathing room to explore a new 'non-hostile' island was way back in 2004 when they entered Water 7 so it's not like he's jamming these experiences down our throats. But WHEN they occur, they're starting to grow a bit dull. There's obviously a few things we need to accept, yes the SH crew will fuck shit up and get everyone pissed before making them happy. That's part of the blood-life of the story, don't like it? STFU and read something else. But the pprogression from, "Gee isn't this swell!", to, "OMGWTF!", is getting more of a yawn out of me than anything else these days. It's amazing that Oda literally creates AN ENTIRE CULTURE FROM THE GROUND UP and has our heroes interact with it, but his almost cookie-cutter approach is drawing thin. From an author who creates what are easily the most surprising twists and turns in shonen comics today, it just stands out when he isn't doing just that. Which is half compliment and half criticism really.

                                                                                    That out of my system, I'd like to leave that realm and head over to something more positive. When Oda unveiled 9

                                                                                    NINE

                                                                                    new characters in 498, I think I shat a shit of joy. I was reading it in the car on the way to Tokyo Disneyland and instead of helping Haruka with directions, I was busy fangasming at 60mph to do much else. She forgave me.

                                                                                    You do realize he's had some of these characters in his head for over a decade.

                                                                                    Usually when Oda unveils a character, you know he knows exactly what he wants to do with them, be it fodder [Hildon] or integral to the overall story [Sengoku]. Needless to say, even if they will end up as fodder, Oda has NINE individuals that he KNOWS will play an important part of the arc and I dare say to the finale of the series. This shows that Oda has no less than 9 ideas in his head. 9 climaxes and 9 conclusions. They don't need to be fights or what have you, but it just shows how WELL he knows his own damn story and how much confidence he has in it.

                                                                                    Not only did he unveil a number, (because we've known about Shichibukai from early on), but he gave us names, faces and personalities to boot. That's just fucking amazing. Respect.

                                                                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                      @Greg:

                                                                                      So I haven't made a long or thoughtful post on recent OP chapters or OP in general for a while now. I think part of that stems from being exhausted from the work on revising the crew profile on my site. After finishing those I don't even want to 'think' about OP and would rather just sit there enjoying it with drool slowly draining from my pie hole.

                                                                                      The other major contributing factor seems to be two-fold in how I choose to experience the series. It seems that many of the speculative and minute details are all tucked away in the spoiler threads, taking much of the insane joy away from the chapter thread. Not complaining, that's just how it is. The other would be my choosing to wait for JUMP to come out which significantly staggers the time I come into the chapter conversation, which is usually in a 4chan-inspired dual over some perverted aspect of the series.

                                                                                      But anyway, I figured it's been long enough.

                                                                                      I think I'm starting to get bored of several aspects of One Piece. Such a megaton comment from the likes of myself is no doubt bound to call cries of blasphemy from the Church of Oda which I helped establish. No, stand down those of the cloth, I am not here to spread blasphemy. I just think Oda's established, proven, endearing and successful formula is starting to grow a bit old. And that formula would be, his 'exploration' chapters. Following the SH crew in their 'off time' is important. It gives Oda a chance to give characters that haven't had much interaction together new quirks, we get to learn a little bit about the island or region and its people and culture, and most importantly he can set up his new and exciting arc.

                                                                                      Now I'll be fair. The last time Oda actually gave his crew breathing room to explore a new 'non-hostile' island was way back in 2004 when they entered Water 7 so it's not like he's jamming these experiences down our throats. But WHEN they occur, they're starting to grow a bit dull. There's obviously a few things we need to accept, yes the SH crew will fuck shit up and get everyone pissed before making them happy. That's part of the blood-life of the story, don't like it? STFU and read something else. But the pprogression from, "Gee isn't this swell!", to, "OMGWTF!", is getting more of a yawn out of me than anything else these days. It's amazing that Oda literally creates AN ENTIRE CULTURE FROM THE GROUND UP and has our heroes interact with it, but his almost cookie-cutter approach is drawing thin. From an author who creates what are easily the most surprising twists and turns in shonen comics today, it just stands out when he isn't doing just that. Which is half compliment and half criticism really.

                                                                                      That out of my system, I'd like to leave that realm and head over to something more positive. When Oda unveiled 9

                                                                                      NINE

                                                                                      new characters in 498, I think I shat a shit of joy. I was reading it in the car on the way to Tokyo Disneyland and instead of helping Haruka with directions, I was busy fangasming at 60mph to do much else. She forgave me.

                                                                                      You do realize he's had some of these characters in his head for over a decade.

                                                                                      Usually when Oda unveils a character, you know he knows exactly what he wants to do with them, be it fodder [Hildon] or integral to the overall story [Sengoku]. Needless to say, even if they will end up as fodder, Oda has NINE individuals that he KNOWS will play an important part of the arc and I dare say to the finale of the series. This shows that Oda has no less than 9 ideas in his head. 9 climaxes and 9 conclusions. They don't need to be fights or what have you, but it just shows how WELL he knows his own damn story and how much confidence he has in it.

                                                                                      Not only did he unveil a number, (because we've known about Shichibukai from early on), but he gave us names, faces and personalities to boot. That's just fucking amazing. Respect.

                                                                                      BLASPHEMY!!! BURN HIM IN THE STAKE!!!
                                                                                      Lol, kidding Greg, though I'm curious what you mean about not writing as well as usual. What is it about this new island and this new culture that seems less interesting than the other islands? :wassat:

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                                                                                        It's not so much that it's less interesting than any other islands, rather the routine is entirely too much like the other islands.

                                                                                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                          about not writing as well as usual.

                                                                                          Where does he say that Kof? I must be skimm reading too much because I can't find that part.

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                                                                                          What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                                                            I must have misunderstood him. After reading his post again, I understand now he meant the routine not the actual island. Though I asked him before I reread the post.

                                                                                            Still though I find it odd though that anyone could get bored by something like that:wassat: Maybe that's why I had such difficulty understading at first. But whatever.

                                                                                            Glad to see that Greg like I also believes that all the Super Novae are gonna be used in some way in an intricately clever plot and not just be fodder.

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                                                                                              Silvers looks really great in that picture.

                                                                                              His nen ability as a specialist, Emperor Time, allows him to utilize all the types of nen to 100% efficiency.

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                                                                                                Well, it's funny, because for me, the exploration part in One Piece is actually one of the main reasons I still love the series. Sure, the ''routine'' can be said to be similar, but I honestly think it's the same with every single other aspect in the series.

                                                                                                These exploration chapters have suspense, interaction, a whole new crop of Oda's ingenious ideas and characters popping up, and a no doubt thrilling plot waiting to unfold. It's usually deliciously fun and adventurous to the utmost degree, yet seems to utilize the concept of "plot" a lot more than any other moment in the series.

                                                                                                To me, moments like these are the peak of the entire series. I don't think they're any less repetitive than the fighting…. Which is usually just a whole lot less entertaining.

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                                                                                                  Well I don't want to compare it to the fighting because, despite whatever cool new moves or outcomes we might witness, the reality that there IS a fight waiting is without a doubt, the single-most repetative and ingrained aspect of the series.

                                                                                                  That said, I wholeheartedly agree that the exploration chapters are indeed the backbone of the series. Which is precisely why I'm finding them a little bit more of a chore as of late. They'll land, break into teams, go partake in some antics, Luffy will go look for food, they'll get into deep shit.

                                                                                                  No compare this to say, Long Ring Long Land where Oda relied ENTIRELY on the landscape to define how they interacted with it. Too bad that only lasted 2 chapters. Maybe I just sound way too picky but while some people seem to find the rescue 'bit' getting old, I'm finding the walkabout the island nonchalant bit a little tired.

                                                                                                  I'm hoping he'll change it up in The New World with some new fantastic twist to how the islands are dealt with in general.

                                                                                                  No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                                    @Greg:

                                                                                                    I think I'm starting to get bored of several aspects of One Piece.

                                                                                                    I just think Oda's established, successful formula is starting to grow a bit old. And that formula would be, his 'exploration' chapters. Following the SH crew in their 'off time' is important.WHEN they occur, they're starting to grow a bit dull.

                                                                                                    Oda's cookie-cutter approach is drawing thin. From an author who creates what are easily the most surprising twists and turns in shonen comics today, it just stands out when he isn't doing just that. Which is half compliment and half criticism really.

                                                                                                    They'll land, break into teams, go partake in some antics, Luffy will go look for food, they'll get into deep shit. No compare this to say, Long Ring Long Land where Oda relied ENTIRELY on the landscape to define how they interacted with it. Too bad that only lasted 2 chapters. Maybe I just sound way too picky but while some people seem to find the rescue 'bit' getting old, I'm finding the walkabout the island nonchalant bit a little tired.

                                                                                                    Did it hurt Greg? I know you used up a box of napkins while posting this.

                                                                                                    To the matter at hand, I am glad we found Silvers Rayleigh. Now this will help the plot advance and get the ship coated so we can move on.

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                                                                                                      @Greg, I understand what you are saying, but I generally find comfort in the ritual behind the "arc introduction" chapters. They are a break from the action. They show luffy's journey as a voyage of exploration and not just the standard prolonged multi-tiered fighting tournament that Miracles would likely prefer.

                                                                                                      Also, while they certainly follow a distinct recipe, each introduction chapter has such an unlimited potential for REVELATION that I am always more excited during the introduction than at any other point in the arc. Those are the chapters that gave us Brooke, 9 rookies, and the villain cyborg franky. This is where we learn how the majority of OP citizens live their lives and when new aspects of WG hierarchy are explained.

                                                                                                      Once the fighting starts, we will have to wait until the next arc for more shockers like those because the pace of the action will take priority. So, I really cherish these introductions because they leave me on the edge of my seat wondering what Oda could possibly introduce next. Sure the Odz fight was epic and all, but near the end I was impatient for the next arc to start just so we could find out more.

                                                                                                      So I guess my point is that these introductions aren't really a circular pattern of repeating events, they are a spiral where each new revelation builds on the past. That's why this is my favorite part of the arc.

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                                                                                                        @Greg, I understand what you are saying, but I generally find comfort in the ritual behind the "arc introduction" chapters. They are a break from the action.

                                                                                                        I completely agree. I think they're not only a convenient 'break' but a MUCH NEEDED one. And I entirely agree how some of them have given us Brook, etc. But I'm talking specifically about when they enter towns. It just seems somewhat…simplistic compared to what else he's been able to accomplish.

                                                                                                        However, he's been giving us hints that this may change. Note the number of people milling around that realize who Luffy is. Quite a level up from when a few shaggy workers from W7 knew little but rumors about him.

                                                                                                        I think Oda realizes this as well which is why he's going to change it up soon, and by that I mean their next visit to a 'town' area once they reach the other side.

                                                                                                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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