I'm not sure if this has been discussed before ( I tried searching ) but lately I've been wondering just how Sanji ended up in the East Blue if he was born in the North Blue. I was under the assumption that the only way to get from one to the other was through the reverse mountain or through the calm belts with government ships. I'm pretty sure Sanji never used either of those methods so how? I suppose one could just sail up to the Red Line and walk between the blues by land but if that's so, what's to stop people from just cutting halfway through the Grand Line? Anyone have a good explanation?
How did Sanji get to the East Blue?
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Wasn't this explained in his flashback? I thought he was shipwreaked and had to live with the chef.
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North Blue and East Blue are the two seas north of the Grand line. So, traveling between the two would be a simple matter of crossing over the Redline. However, we don't know if Sanji crossed over before or after his meeting with Zeff.
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True, you don't suppose there might be small gaps in the Red Line that could be sailed through? Or at least areas that aren't as high and are easier to cross.
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He was on an ocean liner. so i'd suspect that they had a method.
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I always figured the ship that rescued them took them there.
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I always assumed there's a canal across the Red Line between N and E Blue and W and S Blue. Another possibility is that Sanji could have gone through Mariejoie, though that seems unlikely.
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I doubt that there is a canal. In most maps, the Red Line is shown as a fairly wide continent dividing the Blues, which thins as it crosses the Grand Line.
However, over land routes should be fairly easy. Here's the map that Nami stole from buggy: [hide]
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You can see in the map how high elevation Reverse Mountain is, but just north of there is a low lying area near sea level. However, as you continue north, the elevation increases again. So if there were to be a canal, it seems likely that the only viable location for building it would be just west of Loguetown. But as it isn't represented on the map, I think we can assume that there is no canal between East and West Blue.The most likely answer, from my point of view, is that Sanji traveled over the Red Line as a youth to get the job on the cruise ship in East Blue. He and Zeff have probably been in East Blue since then.
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The Red Line is high in elevation when intersecting the Grand Line. We can assume it's not high at all points along its longitudinal axis that's outside the Grand Line.
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Xaravir, do you know how to read a topographical map? The map above clearly shows that the top of the Red Line is near sea level directly west of Loguetown.
So, no. That would be a poor assumption.
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boiga: he was saying that it did NOT have the same elevation all the way along…
He was baisicly agreeing with you.
(but I got to ask how can you tell it's near sealevel? All I can tell is that there are a few mountain tops on the red line... there doesn't seem to be any numbers indicating meters above sea level. Looking at the enterance http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/101/14/ it seems to be as high there as inside GL.)
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Oops, my mistake for misreading xaravir. Apologies.
@Gorlom: It's hard to say exactly sea level because the exact metric used for the contour lines on the map is unknown. However, because there are no contour lines (unless they are hidden by nami's finger) through the entire expanse of the isthmus just north of Reverse Mountain, we can tell that at no point does that isthmus raise to even 1/10 the the height of Reverse Mountain.
That still might be tall, but it certainly should not be impassable for over land travel.
In regards to the picture you're showing, it's rather hard to tell from the elevated point of view it is drawn. However, considering that the canal is traveling up the side of the mountain, I think we can assume that it is steep, but not exactly sheer.
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the ship that rescued them took them there
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I like all the people saying that they got there after the accident becasue the rescue ship dropped them off there.
next question guys: how did THAT SHIP get there?
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While we are on the subject of the oceans in One Piece, how does it work? I know the Red Line is like a wall that goes all the way around the world, but where is the Grandline?
Toni, no offense, but you must be the most plain user on the forum. Your posts, your avatar, everything. You're like the Ishamaru of Arlong Park.
That totally came out of nowhere.
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While we are on the subject of the oceans in One Piece, how does it work? I know the Red Line is like a wall that goes all the way around the world, but where is the Grandline?
The Grand Line is the equator, pretty much.
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While we are on the subject of the oceans in One Piece, how does it work? I know the Red Line is like a wall that goes all the way around the world, but where is the Grandline?
Same thing just at a 90* angle from the red line. The red line intersects the grand line at 2 places oposite to each other on the globe.
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The thing is, Oribit had to be near the Grand Line when this happened. When Zeff and crew attacked them, they mention Zeff just having returned from the Grand Line. That means the likely answer is that they're near Mariejoie.
Sanji has never said one way or another if he's been to Mariejoie, so that's the most likely way he went from North Blue to East Blue.
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Which brings the question of whether he was in North Blue or East Blue when he met Zeff. I say this because its unlikely that Zeff, a relatively well known former pirate, would attempt to cross the Holy Land.
Further more, how do pirates leave the Grand Line anyway. Mad dash across the calm belts, or perhaps they make the trip along the red line?
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I know there won't be a chapter for a while but really. We're already making threads like this?
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This is something that's bugged me since forever. I can figure the the sides that are north of the Grandline know each other because it's most likely possible to cross the Redline on foot. Same with the sides south of the Grandline. But how do the two hemispheres know of each other? How do they get across the Grandline? Fly? I hope we find out some day.
Originally Posted by dinty
Robin's in handcuffs; Ace is in chains; Zoro's a Loli-Goth's pet dog/slave; Sanji's been attacked by transvestites and an entire clan has just dropped their drawers for Brook.
In one small chapter, Oda made OP's doujin community completely redundant.
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I know there won't be a chapter for a while but really. We're already making threads like this?
What does a thread with a legitimate question have to do with there being no chapters for a while? Are you implying that people make stupid topics from boredom, because this seems to be a pretty good question since there hasn't been a clear answer yet. It's a thread that motivates discussion which is the point of the manga section.
On topic though, the only way I see is a canal through the lower part of a redline like others have said. I never really thought of how the four oceans interacted with each other until this thread came up but it's a good question. Since seastone to go through the calm belt seems to be implied that it's mostly marine exclusive technology, and it's way to dangerous for normal ships to go through reverse mountain.
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Well, that and I'm pretty sure that reverse mountain only leads into the Grand Line because the streams from the four blues all flow up. The canal idea is the only one that makes any sense given what we know.
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Yeah, but how did anyone get back from the Grand Line if they can't cross the calm belt like Zeff.
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This is something that's bugged me since forever. I can figure the the sides that are north of the Grandline know each other because it's most likely possible to cross the Redline on foot. Same with the sides south of the Grandline. But how do the two hemispheres know of each other? How do they get across the Grandline? Fly? I hope we find out some day.
They are kept together by the World Government which seems to have a monopoly on inter-Blue trade. Remember that the WG can travel through the Calm Belt at will thanks to the Seastone in the Marine ship hulls and also control any potential trade through Mariejoa, the only safe route between the Blues north of the Grand Line and those south of it.
For example, Oda says in an SBS that the Goggles that Usopp bought in Loguetown were brought there by the annual Marine trade ship. Here's the whole question:[hide]D: Are those glasses that Usopp wears when he fights? O: Those are goggles. "Sniper goggles". At first he only wore them for looks, but in Loguetown he got the brand new model from "North Blue". The scene on the right was supposed to be the first page of chapter 98, in volume 11. The number of pages went over the limit, so we scrapped it. It's got sunglasses on it to eliminate glare when he's aiming, and it can flip up and turn around and stuff like that, so Usopp really liked it.
(Page on the right)
Usopp: Hmmmm? Hmmmm. Ooooooh. Damn!! I like these goggles!!
Lady: You got an eye for the good stuff. That's the newest model from "North Blue". It came with the Marines when their annual import ship came by.
Usopp: I also want this watch, and this magnet! Oh, don't you have any raw eggs?!
Lady: Go to the supermarket for that!![/hide]
@Sesshy:Yeah, but how did anyone get back from the Grand Line if they can't cross the calm belt like Zeff.
Do remember that Zeff wasn't the only one. Krieg also came through the Calm Belt to East Blue and lost almost all of his crew in the process. It seems possible, but with a 95% casualty rate can't be considered a particularly good route to take.
The easiest way for a pirate crew to escape the GL, though, would be to simply steal a Marine boat and cross at ease.
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They are kept together by the World Government which seems to have a monopoly on inter-Blue trade. Remember that the WG can travel through the Calm Belt at will thanks to the Seastone in the Marine ship hulls and also control any potential trade through Mariejoa, the only safe route between the Blues north of the Grand Line and those south of it.
For some reason, I got the impression that this was a recent development, not something they've been doing for decades. I could be wrong though.
Do remember that Zeff wasn't the only one. Krieg also came through the Calm Belt to East Blue and lost almost all of his crew in the process. It seems possible, but with a 95% casualty rate can't be considered a particularly good route to take.
No, I believe Krieg lost most of his people due to Mihawk, not the Calm Belt. The Calm Belt is still the fastest way out though.
Originally Posted by dinty
Robin's in handcuffs; Ace is in chains; Zoro's a Loli-Goth's pet dog/slave; Sanji's been attacked by transvestites and an entire clan has just dropped their drawers for Brook.
In one small chapter, Oda made OP's doujin community completely redundant.
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Something's bothering me.
The more I look at the various maps of the OPlanet presented thus far, the more it sticks out.
There are no polar regions.
Neither the extreme north nor the extreme south have anything resembling the polar ice caps of Earth or Mars. The Red Line circles the entire planet, put there are no indications of glacial floes. Had there been any, I could see Sanji crossing into East Blue that way. Off topic of course, but I can't help wondering:
Why are there no polar regions?
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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meh: the greenhouse effect melted them already.
That's what happened in the void century, a big ecological disaster. they banned all the technology producing greenhouse gasses and swept it under the carpet and forgot about all of it.
(WG's main priority is now to activly preventing any new greenhousegas technology from being researched in the hopes that the world will eventually heal.)What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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here's my own dissect version of the opverse:
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um, sorry but what do you mean by "Had there been any, I could see Sanji crossing into East Blue that way"? where will you place the polar region if there's any?
(though i feel they don't need it like us, cause their blues are already an indication of their poles)
the 4 blues are clearly cut off from each other. so there's no way for sanji to cross from north to east unless he crossed the redline. -
@_Meh_:
Something's bothering me.
The more I look at the various maps of the OPlanet presented thus far, the more it sticks out.
There are no polar regions.
Neither the extreme north nor the extreme south have anything resembling the polar ice caps of Earth or Mars. The Red Line circles the entire planet, put there are no indications of glacial floes. Had there been any, I could see Sanji crossing into East Blue that way. Off topic of course, but I can't help wondering:
Why are there no polar regions?
There are, they're just not shown on that map for some reason. They mention Odr being found frozen in the Nothern Continent, so there's at least a North Pole.
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Or perhaps that's just a very cold continent up north?
Nothing says theres miles of Ice on that continent just because it's frozen.
Maybe some really warm (bottom) currents comming from close to or inside the grand line goes by the magnetic north and south preventing any polarcaps to form.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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" When you're sailing the Grand Line, even under the worst conditions, from "summer" on a "summerisland", to "winter" on a "winter island", you must be able to conquer a range of 16 different seasons. However, there are of course many exceptions and as-of-yet unknown climates."
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t weird cause when a road around the equator has "snow islands" their cant be any rules… -
Or perhaps that's just a very cold continent up north?
Nothing says theres miles of Ice on that continent just because it's frozen.
Maybe some really warm (bottom) currents comming from close to or inside the grand line goes by the magnetic north and south preventing any polarcaps to form.
Well, it's not completely frozen. Fullbody mentions the Nothern Continent too; there's a city there famous for its wine called Mikkyo.
But "poles" refer to Magnetic North and Magnetic south. If there's magnetic currents at all on the planet, there are poles. It may not be completely covered with ice, but it has to be frozen somewhere, because Hogback stated it was (the North Pole, at least).
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Well he was talking about polar regions. Polar regions for me is ice cap, not magnetic poles. But I guess that is up for debate.
What did you mean meh? big thick layers of Ice? or some place that has perpetual night 6 months a year (or however long it is)? or something completly different?
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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There must be polar regions, as both Shanks and Buggy mention them.
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Well he was talking about polar regions. Polar regions for me is ice cap, not magnetic poles. But I guess that is up for debate.
You're thinking of arctic and antarctic regions, not polar. Polar refers to positive and negative forces acting on each other, and thus the axis on which the planet spins. On Uranus, the poles are actually where most planets (like Earth) have their Equators. The planet is basically on its side.
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For some reason, I got the impression that this was a recent development, not something they've been doing for decades. I could be wrong though.
Well, the Seastone hulled ships are recent in that they were developed by Dr. Vegapunk, who is still alive. So, they've probably had that ability over the last couple of decades. Before then, it could very well have been that Mariejoa was the ONLY secure trade route across the Grand Line.
@VL7:
There must be polar regions, as both Shanks and Buggy mention them.
VL7 is right. Remember the eternal fight between Buggy and Shanks about whether the North Pole or the South Pole is colder? So it would seem likely that there are polar ice caps, just that they are not seen on the map. This makes sense, because after all, modern maps don't show any off shore ice sheets in our polar regions either.
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modern maps don't show any off shore ice sheets in our polar regions either
I'll be damned. they don't.
Well i take back everything I said.
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Well he was talking about polar regions. Polar regions for me is ice cap, not magnetic poles. But I guess that is up for debate.
What did you mean meh? big thick layers of Ice? or some place that has perpetual night 6 months a year (or however long it is)? or something completly different?
Actually, I meant both. Because of the way magnetic poles tend to fix a spherical or ovoid body's axis in space, the regions around the poles tend to receive less solar radiation and remain colder than the rest of the sphere or ovoid. At least, this is how I understood it. Considering that an ordinary compass is able to operate normally within the Blue Seas, there are apparently magnetic poles. Yet, they do not seem to have collected vast pockets of frozen water, unlike other planets. On the other hand, there is more than one mention of a Northern Continent, as FFA has kindly reminded me. But I always thought that it referred to the nation Odz built from the islands he had stolen. It explained (at least to my satisfaction) how Mikkyu could produce vinyards, while Odz could freeze to death there.
For right now, I like the 'global warming' theory.:happy:
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@_Meh_:
Actually, I meant both. Because of the way magnetic poles tend to fix a spherical or ovoid body's axis in space, the regions around the poles tend to receive less solar radiation and remain colder than the rest of the sphere or ovoid. At least, this is how I understood it.
Magnetic poles have no bearing on how an object is fixed in space. There is no up, down, or sides in space. It's just a coincidence that most planets' magnetic poles are axial because that's how the solar system formed. Mars has patchy magnetisation, and Venus has no magnetosphere whatsoever. The reason why we have ice sheets at the poles is because not as much infrared radiation reaches the poles, but larger particles that are normally blocked by the magnetosphere are abound in the poles and show up as aurorae.
