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Chapter 498 "The 11 Supernova" Discussion
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Jinbei-ask Kingoffans .
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The big question on my mind now is what these guy's did to become as wanted as they are. We know that Kidd, and presumably Killer, got their bounties through targeting of civilians, but what about the others?
Drake possibly got his from actions taking during his defection from the marines, and Bonney may have done some heavy raiding to keep herself fed but its entirely possible they got as far as they did through good old fashion piracy. So the question is, did they do something special or did they just cut a swathe of pirating on their way through the Grand Line?
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Trafalgar is most likely a organ thief, with the death surgeon and the heart pirates.
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Indeed, I'm quite excited to see more of the supernova's. All of them went through some tough ordeals, just like the Straw Hats and to hear what they did will be really cool. The Straw Hats took on Ennies Lobby, so you know that the others have some interesting adventures. Also, I bet Zoro is going to get into some trouble….
And one more thing....Chopper slightly surprised me with his comment upon hearing that Luffy and the 2nd largest bounty of the Supernova's. He screamed "There's someone better than Luffy?!" just after they came from Thriller Bark and beat a 320 Million Moria, with Oz being something of a 500 Million bounty(guessing, it would be huge since it took the combined 700 Million bounty crew to beat him) and other strong zombies. But he's still pretty green, I guess.
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Guess chopper didn't expect a normal Pirate to have a Higher bounty then Luffy.
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I feel like a total ass for doing this but it just seems awfully suspicious how many parallels there are between the strawhats and the other 9 "supernovas." I wouldn't consider these fight match-ups but I feel like they have some sort of role to play together.
Kid/Luffy - mostly because they have the highest bounties and give off an air of immaturity.
Zoro/Killer -subordinates to the above and blade users.
Usopp/Hawkins- Usopp uses mainly tricks and deceit to fight so a magician seems an appropriate match.
Sanji/Bonney - Man who cooks and loves women and woman who loves to eat.
Chopper/Law - Both are doctors ….and they have fuzzy hats....
Robin/Capone - Seem like the well informed assassin types.
Franky/Urouge - big guys who make use of their brute strength
Brook/Apoo - Apoo seems to be either a musician or have abilities related to music.
That would just leave Nami and Drake but I'm not sure if that makes any sense to me. I could have it wrong and it could really be Sanji/Drake and Nami/Bonney but right now it's hard to say... Again, this may not result in one on one fights but I feel like there will be some specific interaction going on.
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Do I spy DonFlamingo's symbol on all of Law's dudes?
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While it's highly likely we're going to see the SHs getting into a fight with at least one of them, I suspect at least ONE of these crews is going to be gone and in the New World before they're on Merman Island. Chances are we might see a brawl ending in a deadlock with Kid, then another confrontation later on.
It really just doesn't seem plausible to think that the Strawhats would take on ALL of them when they're basically being pursued in all directions - and win for that matter. I think it's more logical to assume that we'll see conflict between the SHs and maybe two or three of the strongest crews (which I personally think will end up being the ones that make it off Shabondy and into the New World) and the rest of these rookies are going to get paired off with half of them getting knocked off then and there.
…. and is it entirely impossible to imagine that one of these crews may turn out to be a (temporary) ally instead of an enemy?
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Zoro vs Law, for god's sake Law has a sword!!
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Apart from thier names, position and bounties(and attitudes, to some extent) we know next to nothing about these characters, its still waay to early to make matchups
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I know someone is going to do this sooner or later and I was bored so whatever. Here are the Supernovas by bounty:
- Eustace “Captain” Kidd – 315,000,000
- “Straw Hat” Monkey D. Luffy – 300,000,000
- “The Magician” Basil Hawkins – 249,000,000
- “Red Flag” X Drake – 222,000,000
- “Surgeon of Death” Trafalgar Law – 200,000,000
- Scratchmen Apoo – 198,000,000
- “Massacre Warrior” Killer – 162,000,000
- “The Glutton” Jewelry Bonney – 140,000,000
- Capone “Gang” Bege – 138,000,000
- “Demon Swordsman” Roronoa Zoro – 120,000,000
- “Demon Monk” Urouge – 108,000,000
Imagine how much money you would make if you just nuked the island….
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without proof?plus,you'd kill a score of marines and NOBLES-ERGO-YOU'd get "pwned".
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Imagine how much money you would make if you just nuked the island….
What island?You forgot to add some of the Strawhats' bounty and other pirates with lower than 100M bounty..
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it will be hell lots of money but if u can beat them = = well they are clled super rookies u know and anyone who have bounty over 100m is consider to be super strong = =" i cant imagine beating any of them, especially luffy see how he beat the bounty hunter xD and they were saying " i guess 300m is too much for us" xD :getlost:gahhhhhh now u remind me again with the chapter xD huhhuhuhuhuhu 3 weeks t the continuation of this :wassat: i dont know how i can stand it :getlost: i keep opening the forum expecting some miracle happen:getlost:
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I don't think many more than the Supernova 11 will have devil fruits, at least I hope not, I think a couple could have zoans, like Law, and I hope if any do they'll be mega, unlike Lucci or Jybura, where the zoans just made them look tough, but actually makes them tough, like a super human leap with a frog frog no mi, or something.
Urouge hopefuly will be 'repping the white sea's finest collection of dials, and Killer I think is a weapons only kinda guy, not unlike Ronoroa-Chan, and Apoo might just have a rhythm based skill, like Sound-nins lol, nah Oda will make him good.
Kidd probably will have a DF, but one that makes him look like a pussy compared to Luffy, cos he's not in it for the adventure, the Box.
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I feel like a total ass for doing this but it just seems awfully suspicious how many parallels there are between the strawhats and the other 9 "supernovas." I wouldn't consider these fight match-ups but I feel like they have some sort of role to play together.
Kid/Luffy - mostly because they have the highest bounties and give off an air of immaturity.
Zoro/Killer -subordinates to the above and blade users.
Usopp/Hawkins- Usopp uses mainly tricks and deceit to fight so a magician seems an appropriate match.
Sanji/Bonney - Man who cooks and loves women and woman who loves to eat.
Chopper/Law - Both are doctors ….and they have fuzzy hats....
Robin/Capone - Seem like the well informed assassin types.
Franky/Urouge - big guys who make use of their brute strength
Brook/Apoo - Apoo seems to be either a musician or have abilities related to music.
That would just leave Nami and Drake but I'm not sure if that makes any sense to me. I could have it wrong and it could really be Sanji/Drake and Nami/Bonney but right now it's hard to say... Again, this may not result in one on one fights but I feel like there will be some specific interaction going on.
The matchups are cool, but I think when Chopper finds out that Law is abusing his doctor skills (it says dark doctor, could mean he cuts people up for the hell of it), chopper will go crazy like he did on Hogback!
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The matchups are cool, but I think when Chopper finds out that Law is abusing his doctor skills (it says dark doctor, could mean he cuts people up for the hell of it), chopper will go crazy like he did on Hogback!
I lol at the bold. What chopper will go crazy are you talking about? if you mean chopper just standing there thinkin bads thoughts about Hogback until a stone hits the man, then your right.
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The matchups are cool, but I think when Chopper finds out that Law is abusing his doctor skills (it says dark doctor, could mean he cuts people up for the hell of it), chopper will go crazy like he did on Hogback!
That's just what FrankyHouse decided to call him.(If we are to belive other translators)
It's actually "surgeon of death" which (to me at least) implies that he is into torture, and doesn't necessarily have a doctors education. Frankyhouse
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First let me say that I do NOT want to see a 9v9 brawl. Oda introduced these supernovas to paint a larger picture, to remind us that this is the Grand Pirate Age and the SHs aren't the only crew doing awesome and world-impacting deed. And that is great. Have them all taken out by the SHs on 1v1 basis will serve the exact opposite purpose.
Yes, there's bound to be interactions, even competitions, but group duels is the least creative way and I trust Oda to do better.
Now that being said, I do see one occasion where all 8 pirate crew would pick fight with the SHs at the same time: The ship coating.
Based on Hacchi there's more than one coating worker but Reilay's the only one he'd trust his life with. We can assume the other pirates hold the same info and they'd like this best/safest option of entering the New World themselves.
Reilay's MIA for the moment but we all know eventually he will do the job for our heroes the Straw Hats. But whether he will do the same for the other supernovas, w/o much hussle at least, remains questionable. If Reilay's anything like Shakky, and he's likely so, he will only care for those he likes, and be ruthless to the ones he despises. And presumably strong as he is said to be, the pirates can't force him to do the job.
Thus leave us with an interesting scenario: 9 Pirate crews all heading to the New World, but only one ship with the best coating protection, the Thunsand Sunny, which is a grand ship by its own right. Where the SHs will never want to be seperated with their ship again the other pirates probably won't hestitate to abandon their old means of transporation and get their hands on this new one.
If this indeed happens then we will have, for a logical reason, a 9v9 royal rumble between the SHs and the other supernovas, a fight for Thousand Sunny and first entry to the New World.
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just want to tell all you savages that if you didn't read stephen's script, you're really missing out on so many things
including actual dialogue and real characters
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Small theory time:
Oda introduced them to hype a whole new person. He'll come, pwn, give some cryptic speech and show up 100+ chapters later int the new world… or be an immediate enemy in this or next arc.
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To me, it's weird to imagine a 9v9 brawl, but it seems just as weird to imagine the Supernova continuing to exist past this point. None of these characters feel memorable enough to make a reapearance. Then again, I'm the worst person to judge future appearances. I didn't think Blackbeard would seriously return as such a supremely important antaganist (I was thinking "Oh, after they get down from Sky Island, they'll fight this guy, then that'll be it for him") and, at the same time, I figured Buggy and Smoker would've had much more steady appearances than they have so far… Seriously, I think Smoker's last part was looking at the new wanted poster for a good 2 pages....
Anyway, without a huge plot development, a series of fights wouldn't make sense. I could possibly see the bubble coating expertise being a lead on into such a plot, but I don't think a brawl would commence based solely on getting Rayleigh's help as a coating expert. A small skirmish might ensue if Bonny ate a piece of meat Luffy had claimed or something, and I foresee something with Zoro's bad direction leading to a fight between him and Killer or Drake (I think that was the other guy with a sword). But I doubt Rayleigh would turn away business just because he didn't like the other groups. Although, if you wanted to mix it up a little bit, it could be the other way around- Maybe Rayleigh (who we all assume is a pretty good guy) is actually closer to the darker side of piracy and the only one he doesn't appreciate is the Straw Hats for their insane actions ("You've been attacking other pirates- I know some of those guys!") Instead of outright killing the Straw Hats, maybe he agrees to coat their ship if they can use their skills to take down the other pirate groups on the island so he can cash in their bounties. Since we know next to nothing about Rayleigh, it could be such a scenario (though we do know Oda, and that's COMPLETELY uncharacteristic of him).
Anyway, I just don't know what to make of the current arc. And, generally, when an arc has so many places it can go and so many awesome characters... It turns out to be a masterpiece!
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skarlath-and that is where ?
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skarlath-and that is where ?
manga section > stickied topic "WHERE TO DOWNLOAD MANGA" > under the translation/scanlation heading: Stephen
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Also, to add who people in this chapter are named after, it's probable that Raleigh is named after Sir Walter Raleigh, the famous explorer and poet.
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Highly doubt there will be a fight, I think it'd be more of an intro between them and a start of a competition to see who could get to Raftel first
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That's just what FrankyHouse decided to call him.(If we are to belive other translators)
It's actually "surgeon of death" which (to me at least) implies that he is into torture, and doesn't necessarily have a doctors education. Frankyhouse
And he said they weren't matchups, he is just noting their similarities/what links them together.I know, and I know about the other crap, it's just that Chopper is all for the good of being a doctor, and since he got all mad at Hogback for messing with shadows and making zombies, I don't see chopper liking this guy, sooooooooo yeah!
I lol at the bold. What chopper will go crazy are you talking about? if you mean chopper just standing there thinkin bads thoughts about Hogback until a stone hits the man, then your right.
Chopper was gonna kill Hogback, and I lol'd at the bold, HAHAHAHA:getlost:, but that was the most we ever saw Chopper serious in One Piece, he was gonna do that combo with Robin and split Hogbacks head open, if it wasn't for Oz popping in when he did, Hogback would be dead! (Of course Oda would keep Hogback alive, but even he said he would split his damn head or smash his head)
Also, stephen's script wasn't that difference and knowledgeable as some claimed to be:getlost:, just a few differences here and there!
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reads last page
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3 weeks!?
Sad panda. Sad, sad panda.
I suppose if he had to go out though, this was a helluva way. 9 brand new 'villain' (because who knows how some of them will end up) designs and a woman that basically talks down to Luffy even after all he's accomplished? Bitchin'.
Ugh…May is gonna suck...
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Chopper was gonna kill Hogback, and I lol'd at the bold, HAHAHAHA, but that was the most we ever saw Chopper serious in One Piece, he was gonna do that combo with Robin and split Hogbacks head open, if it wasn't for Oz popping in when he did, Hogback would be dead! (Of course Oda would keep Hogback alive, but even he said he would split his damn head or smash his head)
Your welcome for the LOL.
Chopper didn't do jack, The most serious Chopper I ever seen was Monster Chopper, that thing ment bizzz.
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@Sir:
Small theory time:
Oda introduced them to hype a whole new person. He'll come, pwn, give some cryptic speech and show up 100+ chapters later int the new world… or be an immediate enemy in this or next arc.
I was thinking the same thing, and I bet one of these supernovas will be pwned by Raleigh, just for Oda to show us how strong/tough he is. It could also be an admiral other than Aokiji, or an uber bounty hunter.
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Your welcome for the LOL.
Chopper didn't do jack, The most serious Chopper I ever seen was Monster Chopper, that thing ment bizzz.
Obvious someone can't detect sarcasm!
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Awesome chapter! My favorite one of the 9 supernova is Trafalgar Law. It's pretty cool that he is a "surgeon of death". Also, I wonder how Rayleigh will look like. Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter!
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You know what would make this cool character introduction overkill totally perfect? A total badass Buggy with an immense bounty and a strong crew!
Remember the glorious days when Richie was not a comic relief …?
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Some of the 11 shown will definately have a strong part in the New World. The Yonkou, Lola's mum… that's as far as we've got for pirates in the New World. These rookies, along with Luffy, will shake things up a bit. Fishman Island may be the decider to which of the few will progress and which wont.
I think Drake, Law and Kid will definately progress to the New World and have impact. But in the end, it'll be the Yonkou and Blackbeard that will show up in the major parts.
Great chapter. I'm wondering if Oda is introducing too many characters though. What's he going to do with all of them?
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Make the best rockin' arc in One Piece history, that's what!!!
I'm scared to think what Oda-sensei is gonna do with this mix.
He has never had such a potential mixture and considering his creativity who knows what he's gonna do with it.
The only thing guaranteed is it's gonna be awesome:D
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Mantisk-neither can I .
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With the different ways to get bounties, its not impossible for Buggy to come back with a huge one.
Imagine him moving through the grandline, and every island, or kingdom he stops at, he steals the national treasure or something like that.
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@Tokoro:
I really don't want to see that happen. If the pirate is worthy to continue in the story, let the seas and the world determine that instead of some pointless rumble who's only purpose is to increase a bunch of bounties. While I don't mind interaction or maybe a scuffle at this point, having the SH eliminating the competition before the New World would be boring.
Sigh, you just seen Duval's arc..That was boring!
The tension built and the hype developed for the eleven novas is there and they will fight the SH's.
@Jinbei: Your avatar is crushing (that's right crushing) new flavor people!! -
I'm getting fed up of the fact that zoro always get lost and it's always a mini-arc to get him home.
Sabre – not trying to pick a fight or anything, but, when has there ever been a mini-arc trying to get Zoro back home after he gets lost? As far as I remember, he's usually "found" in half a page, or else he stays lost for a while, and eventually rejoins the group either with the help of outside sources or by pure coincidence.
The only time I can remember when the crew stopped what they were doing and went searching for him was in Water 7. But that wasn't so much on account of him getting "lost" as it was on account of him "getting blasted through a building against his will" -- and they were looking for Luffy, too, so he wasn't the sole reason for the search.
There's some Ship-fix again? this feels like Water 7 reloaded(why don't they let Franky try?).
With so large a treasure in Sunny's hold, and so many trigger-happy pirates swarming around the archipelago, it's pretty certain that Franky, Usopp and Sanji will see some action soon. Possibly even before the others!
Isn't it possible for it to turn into other things? Like neutron stars and white dwarfs? (That would not be as hazardous to their surroundings.)
Well … (WARNING : severe science geekery ahead) ... when the helium core of a star degenerates before igniting, the result is an interior explosion/collapse -- in implosion. The difference between a Supernova and a White Dwarf is basically one of mass, though you're right, a White Dwarf doesn't have as much pull as a Black Hole. But a White Dwarf is also a lot dimmer than a Supernova -- a lot less spectacular. Neutron Stars are also collapsed stars, and they have very strong magnetic fields -- but have even less visibility than a White Dwarf or a Supernova.
(End of severe science geekery section).
Personally I think the term is to indicate that they are the brightest phenomenons appearing on the "pirate sky", not that they will eventually burn out.
You have a good point, but at the same time, it would have been easier for Oda to simply call them "Stars" or "Planets" or "Celestial Bodies" or "Suns" – those are all common astronomical terms that we associate with brightness, but not with implosion (at least not immediately). Heck, he could have even gone for laughs/haiku and called them "Bright Super Giants" another astronomical term associated with brightness.
But instead, he chose "supernova" ( or, to be absolutely correct, since there are 11 of them: "Supernovae"), so that leads me to believe he has a reason for associating these people with this word.
Feel free to disagree though.
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The tension built and the hype developed for the eleven novas is there and they will fight the SH's.
Its not bad if they fight them, it would be bad if they fought them and they beat the Supernovas so quickly. A brief encounter, some harsh words spoken, but having the Strawhats take out one of the Supernovas so fast would be rather dissapointing. They were just introduced, give them some time to show what they've got, how they got the Bounty, give them time to spread their legs in the New World, but don't just introduce them as seemingly important characters, and have them lose to the Strawhats two chapters later.
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They were just introduced, give them some time to show what they've got, how they got the Bounty, give them time to spread their legs in the New World, but don't just introduce them as seemingly important characters, and have them lose to the Strawhats two chapters later.
That doesn't appeal to miracles. Those things might lead to gasp a story!
Evil evil word. Miracles shuns it like a vampire shuns sunlight.
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I feel like a total ass for doing this but it just seems awfully suspicious how many parallels there are between the strawhats and the other 9 "supernovas." I wouldn't consider these fight match-ups but I feel like they have some sort of role to play together.
Kid/Luffy - mostly because they have the highest bounties and give off an air of immaturity.
Zoro/Killer -subordinates to the above and blade users.
Usopp/Hawkins- Usopp uses mainly tricks and deceit to fight so a magician seems an appropriate match.
Sanji/Bonney - Man who cooks and loves women and woman who loves to eat.
Chopper/Law - Both are doctors ….and they have fuzzy hats....
Robin/Capone - Seem like the well informed assassin types.
Franky/Urouge - big guys who make use of their brute strength
Brook/Apoo - Apoo seems to be either a musician or have abilities related to music.
That would just leave Nami and Drake but I'm not sure if that makes any sense to me. I could have it wrong and it could really be Sanji/Drake and Nami/Bonney but right now it's hard to say... Again, this may not result in one on one fights but I feel like there will be some specific interaction going on.
It a pretty good matchup except some have bountys that are way too different in amount to each other: :ninja:
Kid/Luffy - 315,000,000 Vs. 300,000,000
Zoro/Killer - 120,000,000 Vs. 162,000,000
Usopp/Hawkins - 30,000,000 Vs. 249,000,000
Sanji/Bonney - 77,000,000 Vs. 140,000,000
Chopper/Law - 50 Vs. 200,000,000
Robin/Capone - 80,000,000 Vs. 138,000,000
Franky/Urouge - 44,000,000 Vs. 108,000,000
Brook/Apoo - 33,000,000 Vs. 198,000,000
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actualy,I could see the chopper/other person matchup as possible cause of the diference.
but-yeah,Franky vs. Urouge would look good,I think only him or Luffy could make that match interesing visualy on their side.
ps:what exactly is the meaning of the ninja emoticon?
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Oh darn, a story. What a shame, just hoping for a little character information before they go and get beaten to a pulp. Bring in Eleven supposedly powerful new Pirates, all of which have a chance to become a big threat or ally, and they fight the Strawhats and lose right after they're introduced?
I can't see them losing to the Strawhats this early, I think they might meet, talk, but overall if any important violence between them happens(Not some brief scuffle) it won't be where they are now, it'll be down on Merman Island at least.
