Chapter 498 "The 11 Supernova" Discussion

Gorlom

Specially Trafalgar (f*ck! Face wise, he is my clone! Well… more like an ugly double :/ and he has to be son/nephew of Gin)

Why do you think Trafalgar is so much younger then Gin?

.access timeco.

I don't know, he just seems so. I was looking at Gin pictures and he seems to be over 40. Trafalgar seems to be around 20.

But, well, Shakky is, at least, 60 and she really doesn't seem so… so you never know.

Neomaster121

the way that women was talking bought knowledge i believe that All those captians know about luffy and Zoro. Also hawkins aka mihawk names r very simular clue the two r meant to fight. Zoros in bad condition and quite low in bounty on the list. Maybe this arc is a fight in which Zoro shows the world what hes made of by beating multiple 100+ bounty captain swordsmen.
I seriously think were gonna see Zoro travelling wiping out all the sword fighting 100+ pirates this would then make kid vs luffy happan as they would think Zoro beat killer on luffys orders
9 vs 9 will never happan Nami vs anyone with 100+ bounty lol not at this stage same with ussop brooks chopper and franky not forgetting each of these pirate captains/firstmate crews

Kingoffans

I'm going to choose to take Shakky's words of 100x literally. The fact of the matter is that the One Piece World is a big place. Shakky and Rayleigh both strike me as incredibly powerful pirates who were mega bad-ass in their days and Shakky doesn't strike me as the one to gloat.

I always felt that Luffy still had a long way to go and this confirms my suspicions. It's also about time we get these seasoned pirates who've been around the block into the mix and show them the true level of the new World.

Kishido

Luffy vs Kid = Good pirate vs evil pirate

Zoro vs Hawkins = 2 swordsmen

Sanji vs Drake or Trafalgar

Robin vs Bonney = A hell of a fight xD

Tyki Mikk

did drake kill that monk pirate and killer? cause after the scene with them fighting, Law asked Drake how many people he killed

Gorlom

Think he was asking about how he got his bounty if he's such a wuss that he can't even allow two pirates to duke it out.

Neomaster: "Hawkins aka Mihawk"? … that was a typo right?

Neomaster121

Didn't mean they were the same people lol just that the names are simular mihawk and Hawkins so that was another clue that the two would fight

FireFistAce 0

I'm just calling him Kira because it sounds kinda dumb to call someone Killer. That's like a dog's name. If it had something tacked onto it, like "The Crimson Killer", that's one thing, but just "Killer" is treating him like a pet.

"Come here Killer! You're a good pirate, aren't you? Yes you are, yes you are!"

Anyway, looks like Zoro's headed to Marine HQ. This sounds kind of crazy, but what if the rest of the 11 work together to bust him out? It benefits all the crews because they're collectively working to take down the Marine HQ on Shabondy Isles. A giant heist or sting, if you will.

Good times, that.

Lifrit

Strength-Strength fruit theory
As I was re-reading the last two chapters I started to think that when Shakky said that “My guy? He’ll be fine. He’s 100 times stronger than you boys.” So far most people have been saying that it’s not a literal statement but what if it is? How could someone be “100 times stronger” in the One Piece world? My answer is a devil fruit power that lets you lift 100 times the limit of a normal person. Just like when Zoro cut through Buggy in Chapter 10. How could he do that? Answer: devil fruit. And that is just one of many examples in the One Piece world that something impossible to us is made possible by devil fruit. So this leads me to thinking, if I had a power to pick up massive thing how would I use it? Can’t just go around picking up buildings or ship to throw at enemies all the time, it would just be inefficient. I most likely have some giant thing to hit people with and cause huge amounts of damage. And we have seen someone like that on the Archipelago, Chapter 497 page 16, there is someone that has a Giant Axe. So I think it’s possible that Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than someone.

King_Ty

Yeah it might just be a metaphor. Never thought of that

Lucky

I expect Admirals or Captains to capture all these pirates who are not strong enough, otherwise it would be rediculous. I mean, the World Government could not be that stupid to let these pirates play right under their nose and do nothing about it, even if they don't fight with the noble, the Government should take action. The world Governemt should happy about this because they don't have to waste time finding all these pirate, it like money bringing to their door. All they have to do is gather enough force and capture all these people. It is also a great way to save money from bounty.

Neomaster121

Zoro lifed like half a building he didn't need a devil fruit for that did he

MushroomBoy

GAH~! i love these chapters as much as any epic fighting chapters.

i dunno, i just love learning new stuff about the new places, new stuff about new people, etc.

i just think it's interesting.

Moria

@Fire Fist:

Anyway, looks like Zoro's headed to Marine HQ. This sounds kind of crazy, but what if the rest of the 11 work together to bust him out? It benefits all the crews because they're collectively working to take down the Marine HQ on Shabondy Isles. A giant heist or sting, if you will.

Good times, that.

Technically he is heading towards the most dangerous part of the lawless zone, and not marine hq, but for the first time I actually like one of FFA's ideas.

Gorlom

@Moria:

Technically he is heading towards the most dangerous part of the lawless zone, and not marine hq, but for the first time I actually like one of FFA's ideas.

How do you know where he is going? Where is it shown where Zoro is headed towards now? Shouldnt he be heading away from GR 1 if he thinks that is where the Sunny is docked?

@Lifrit:

My answer is a devil fruit power that lets you lift 100 times the limit of a normal person.

Lifrit: How does a DF allowing him to be 100 times stronger then a normal human make him 100 times stronger then Luffy? Didn't Luffy already beat up fishmen that are supposedly 10 times stronger then normal humans? And then they kicked CP 9 in the behind that was how many times stronger then normal marines?

Moria

@Gorlom:

How do you know where he is going? Where is it shown where Zoro is headed towards now? Shouldnt he be heading away from GR 1 if he thinks that is where the Sunny is docked?

No, when he goes back to return, he will try and find grove 1. its not that hard, with everything numbered, even for Zoro to find his way back, so when he comes back, he will be in the lawless zone.

boiga

@tekko:

-The Pirate Girl Jewelry Bonney could she be related to Luffy (sister?)? wonder where the author is leading with this character ,(wouln'd be surprised if there were a fighting over Sanji tournament )…

I was thinking the same thing actually. There are three family traits that seem to be related to the will of D: enormous appetite, narcolepsy, and supernatural strength. Bonney's appetite and likely prodigious strength certainly makes her the best candidate for a D among the Rookies.

Captain Soupy

I love Apoo. He's eccentric.

CodedTech

@kljs:

I think we will probably see new bounty for Luffy soon after he defeats either 1 or 2 of the supernovas…. or the mugiwaras are on their way to fishman island.........

One of the supernovas I think is a swordman......... so you know who will he be fighting with....

Another thing, the masked guy looks like Tykki(armored form) from D.grayman......

Drake, Law, Hawkings, and Killer all have swords. Kid was also ready to pull out his knife to fight.

Tashigi made a comment about most (or all?) famous swords being in the hands of pirates, so I'd imagine that one of them probably has a relatively high ranked sword. I won't be surprised if Zoro probably replaces his current 3rd generation sword with a 2nd generation one (the 1st is of the 12 best swods, and I don't think he's going to get a sword of a higher class than Kuina's.)

natli

Zoro on Grove 1 sounds like fun.

I'm all for those new character designs. Trafalgar looks the best. Since he's the most normal and least threatening guy he's probably the strongest. Just like Luffy. Massacre Soldier Killer (lol) looks and probably is a complete wackoo. I have high hopes for Capone, you can't go wrong with good old mafia.

And we also know that they were travelling the GL along with the SH the entire time. It feels like a destined meeting :D I hope they will have some sort of 'friendly' competition.

People said this before, but I have to repeat it: their bounties are too high to be plausible. SH are a major threat to the WG (defeated 2 Shichibukai, destroyed Enies Lobby, have Robin on board), and now we learn that there are at least few pirates on the same level only on Shabondy, just passing by. So what can be the level of the New World? Do we have 20 Dragons there and 30 Whitebeards? If that was the case the WG would be history a long time ago.

Anyway, this chapter reads like otaku's wet dream. And it's certainly a field day for the Wiki with this much info.

CLERICSHADOW

@King:

Oh shit there's a dead Marine pinned to that sign.

No that's just my cousin Bob..Bob thought that he could make it into the new world also..Bob will be missed..

@Lobolover:

coded-I know that,but OP Manga v. 2 has LOTS of jojohot scans made into English ones.
LOL you read your manga at that kiddy site?

Gorlom

@Moria:

No, when he goes back to return, he will try and find grove 1. its not that hard, with everything numbered, even for Zoro to find his way back, so when he comes back, he will be in the lawless zone.

So absolutely nothing can happen to him before he wants to return to the ship?

All I'm saying is that I see people acting as if he is going directly to grove number 1, which doesn't really make sense. I think he probably wants to do something somewhere on the "island" before he goes there.

sabret00the

apoo looks like he's closer to being sanji's opponent than drake. i imagine drake is a good guy really. i also imagine that killer's face is really goofy under the mask.

Dark_Kaomi

I'm wondering if the battle royale will happen on Shabondy. I'm thinking some might and others might happen on Fishman Island. We'll see.

Eustass Kid

It was one awesome chapter! One hundred times stronger than Luffy!? That's shocking!~
I LOVE the designs of Law's, Kid's <3 Hawkins' <3 Killer's & Drake's. I wonder where this is going…

Buuhan1

When I first read the chapter I thought I skipped one or something. XD

Shakky: Dunno if want…

Nice to see Oda finally did his own version of Anne Bonny. Seeing all these big guys at once was quite overwhelming, some may not look much but then you remember they made it through the first half of the Grand Line and are as strong as the Strawhat crew in a sense. Gives me chills.

Neo Kojiro

I just took a good look at Chopper's expression on page eight. It reminded me of this image.

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Dark_Kaomi

I know someone is going to do this sooner or later and I was bored so whatever. Here are the Supernovas by bounty:

Eustace “Captain” Kidd – 315,000,000
“Straw Hat” Monkey D. Luffy – 300,000,000
“The Magician” Basil Hawkins – 249,000,000
“Red Flag” X Drake – 222,000,000
“Surgeon of Death” Trafalgar Law – 200,000,000
Scratchmen Apoo – 198,000,000
“Massacre Warrior” Killer – 162,000,000
“The Glutton” Jewelry Bonney – 140,000,000
Capone “Gang” Bege – 138,000,000
“Demon Swordsman” Roronoa Zoro – 120,000,000
“Demon Monk” Urouge – 108,000,000

Sebastian

I absolutely loved this chapter. The introductions of all the new characters definitely has me pumped up for the ongoing arc.

HEATXZ

This chapter is awesome,I like the new characters

sabret00the

@Dark_Kaomi:

I know someone is going to do this sooner or later and I was bored so whatever. Here are the Supernovas by bounty:

Eustace “Captain” Kidd – 315,000,000

“Straw Hat” Monkey D. Luffy – 300,000,000

“The Magician” Basil Hawkins – 249,000,000

“Red Flag” X Drake – 222,000,000

“Surgeon of Death” Trafalgar Law – 200,000,000

Scratchmen Apoo – 198,000,000

“Massacre Warrior” Killer – 162,000,000

“The Glutton” Jewelry Bonney – 140,000,000

Capone “Gang” Bege – 138,000,000

“Demon Swordsman” Roronoa Zoro – 120,000,000

“Demon Monk” Urouge – 108,000,000

heh, based on the binktopia translation :o)

Dark_Kaomi

@sabret00the:

heh, based on the binktopia translation :o)

The names or the bounties?

I personally found the blinktopia scan to be better this time around, which is why used it. If you were wondering.

Captain Brooke

Hum, I wonder if that lady in the Bar will tell Luffy about Ace and Blackbeard since she knows so much, yet I feel we won't get to Fishmen Island this year, (dammit Oda), anyway, great chapter, 2 week break, lots of predictions. Well I think the next chapter we will see how the other SH are spending their time on the island, I think each SH group will run into a Supernova, so thats Franky and Ussop team, Robin and Nami team, Zoro, Luffy, Brooke and Chopper, andddddddddd Sanji, I think Sanji will run in Bonnoy and will make her FOOOOOOOOOOOOOD, HAHAHAHa, for sure, and they others will run into probably the rest of them not knowing who they are, and then something happens and they gotta whip somebody's ass!

sabret00the

@Dark_Kaomi:

The names or the bounties?

I personally found the blinktopia scan to be better this time around, which is why used it. If you were wondering.

my apologies. i wasn't criticising. i liked the binktopia release too. though i felt that they left too much untranslated and that's a frustration for me this week with scanlations and franky house were guilty of leaving some of the sfx untranslated too.

DesertSpada

Once again, I find this chapter very exciting, and reading it again I realized that The monk is from Sky Island. So I wonder if he was with Enel before and got punished or fell of the island or just left.

This also makes me think about the bounties of the Shichibukai. Each of them have frozen bounties and so far all of the ones shown have been around these levels of bounties. I wonder what exactly is the criteria to become a Shichibukai since so many of these "rookies" are close to many of the Shichibukai bounties.

Other than that though, it's truly awesome to think that even though Zoro has such monstrous strength, he has one of the lowest bounties of the Supernova's. However, they take their actions into it too so I'm supposing that since the Straw Hats never hurt civilians or innocents that takes their threat down a bit. Still though, all of these guys are very strong and the Ship Coater is way beyond any of them. This Archipeligo is showing us just how different the New World is. But this also makes me wonder about the strength of the Yonkou. There is no question on Whitebeard's strength, but I wonder about the others since Moria fought one of them and lost.

FireFistAce 0

Not sure if this has been brought up, but what are the odds Robin has worked for Capone before? Being that he's a high-end pirate and they're both from West Blue, it's entirely possible that they've crossed paths before.

sabret00the

I think it needs to come out that the mugiwara's have had collateral damage. their fights are often monstrous and to that no one has died as a result is the shit that fairy tales are made of.

also given that black beard was hunting down luffy in such a manner, you have to wonder what that was all about. it would appear there we plenty of pirates to chose from with bounties of around 100m and higher and it seems that he would've also been able to get one with a higher bounty. which i guess he did do in the end with his acquisition of asce.

Gorlom

@sabret00the:

I think it needs to come out that the mugiwara's have had collateral damage. their fights are often monstrous and to that no one has died as a result is the shit that fairy tales are made of.

also given that black beard was hunting down luffy in such a manner, you have to wonder what that was all about. it would appear there we plenty of pirates to chose from with bounties of around 100m and higher and it seems that he would've also been able to get one with a higher bounty. which i guess he did do in the end with his acquisition of asce.

I'm guessing it was rare to find a 100 million+ bounty on the Drum-Jaya-Banaro island route that he chose compared to the Grand line as a whole.

(do you have a link to the bikinitopia release?)

sabret00the

There you go Gorlom: http://www.mangashare.com/dl/One_Piece_498/1157/

Leaf Cable

Since Chopper is tagging along with Luffy, it would be interesting if he was teased for his embarassingly low bounty by the other rookies.

Gorlom

@Leaf:

Since Chopper is tagging along with Luffy, it would be interesting if he was teased for his embarassingly low bounty by the other rookies.

Doubtful. The other rookie captains probably have members without any bounty at all.

Besides, he's assumed to be a pet. Who the hell teases a pet for not being strong?

Dark_Kaomi

@sabret00the:

my apologies. i wasn't criticising. i liked the binktopia release too. though i felt that they left too much untranslated and that's a frustration for me this week with scanlations and franky house were guilty of leaving some of the sfx untranslated too.

I'm sorry as well. I jumped the gun on your comment. Well, at least we understand nearly all of it. I remember some chapters that left me completely confused.

Kma

Got to wonder though, how many of them do you think have Devil Fruit powers?

Obviously, I doubt all of them have DF powers, but Im pretty sure at least a few do.

Dark_Kaomi

@Kma:

Got to wonder though, how many of them do you think have Devil Fruit powers?

Obviously, I doubt all of them have DF powers, but Im pretty sure at least a few do.

I wonder though, what if they don't? What if they made it this far and none but Luffy have a DF? I really doubt this but it's still something to think about.

sabret00the

@Dark_Kaomi:

I wonder though, what if they don't? What if they made it this far and none but Luffy have a DF? I really doubt this but it's still something to think about.

Capone, Bonney and Kidd most definitely do.

Dark_Kaomi

@sabret00the:

Capone, Bonney and Kidd most definitely do.

Really? What makes you say that?

sabret00the

@Dark_Kaomi:

Really? What makes you say that?

None of those three have any weapons on them. Even Urouge with his monstrous strength carries a huge arse weapon around with him. Which leads me to believe that it's generally deemed impossible to survive on the grandline without a weapon an i'm counting Devil Fruits as weapons.

Also note that while Kidd carries daggers, he makes an odd shape with his right hand and that's just after the explosion that Apoo somersaulted from.

Taleran

@sabret00the:

Capone, Bonney and Kidd most definitely do.

yeah what gives you an indication of that whatsoever

Dark_Kaomi

@sabret00the:

None of those three have any weapons on them. Even Urouge with his monstrous strength carries a huge arse weapon around with him. Which leads me to believe that it's generally deemed impossible to survive on the grandline without a weapon an i'm counting Devil Fruits as weapons.

Also note that while Kidd carries daggers, he makes an odd shape with his right hand and that's just after the explosion that Apoo somersaulted from.

Damn, good eyes. That makes a lot of sense. Unless their weapons aren't visible but still.