@Lobster:
JMvMzQ4Vu-8
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?This is.. an actual series.
LOL!
Note that she used the word "like", like a hundred times.
@Lobster:
JMvMzQ4Vu-8
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?This is.. an actual series.
LOL!
Note that she used the word "like", like a hundred times.
I personally perfer Toriyama's Interpretation of Dragonball as it is basically the true interpretation and I hated the slow pacing of the Anime.
Better than the "come too quick" pacing of the manga which leaves you almost no time to enjoy the characters or a particular moment, Pilaf for example.
and filler material some times contradicted canon material
Not as bad as Naruto.
@robbybevard:
Why is Naruto not as good as it used to be? Hrm, I wonder. I'm going to give this a much longer and more thoughtful response than should probably bother with.
Once upon a time, in the first half of the series, Naruto suceeded on many levels.
1. Sure it had the gatuitous training arcs, but it was paced well and those were rewarding, Naruto finally pulling off the Rasengan after practicing it so long at a desperate moment was satisfying.
2. It balanced about two dozen characters, giving them all unique abilities, regular screen time, and different personalities.
3. There was a little romance, a little fighting, a little intrigue, a little fanservice, and generally, any given chapter would unveil a little bit more about the world and the characters. A good balance.
4. The fights were well done. Even the 5-10 chapter fight scenes tendd to have a fair ammount of variety and surprises, and there was actual planning involved. A fight might have a setup done at the start of it (Naruto makes a hole in the ground in a much earlier fight, which Shikimaru then capitilizes on, for instance). To this day, the Rock Lee/Gaara fight is still incredibly epic to go through. The balance and back and forth there was amazing.
5. The series was almost all consistently very well drawn.
6. There was a certain ammount of intrigue, and it seemed like there was a greater plan and story in motion. Orochimaru was scheming, Kibito was sceheming, there was an alliance between Orochi and the sand village, there was a team of super elite badasses out and about in the world… there was stuff going on and it all seemed to have a goal.
7. Everyone had techniques, but they were still ninja-ish. They were all kids training and growing up and changing and working together, all getting about equal development time. They all got better as the series progressed and formed stronger bonds. A story point of emphasis was that with hard work and training, you could suceed at your dreams.
Theres more, but all in all, it WAS a good series. Now, those points have all fallen to nothing.
1. The series still has gratuitous training arcs. Except, there was a time jump, that SHOULD have counted as a training arc. At the end of it, the entire cast seemed pretty much exactly the same. Wheras before had the satisfaction of Naruto pulling off Rasengan, in THIS half of the series, we gfet an experianced adult saying "Wait till you see how much more incredible Naruto has become." Followed by him falling flat on his face. And then beating the enemy with the exact same trick.
2. The two dozen side characters have fallen off the radar. Sasuke and one villain at a time have been the only focuses for nearly two years now. Even the TITLE character Naruto only appears maybe once every 6 chapters for a handful of panels. Let alone Kiba, Hinata, Rock Lee, Choji, etc. The side cast that was once balanced so well, while making occassional appearances, has not shown up much at all. Most of them didn't even have their new designs revealed until 80 chapters into the new arc. Its well and good to spend a few chapters focusing exclusivley on one character, but when ALL the others are ignored as a result, for hundreds of chapters, that were one balanced so well, its annoying. Even Saske, who is CLEARLY the lead character at this point, even HIS team is getting shafted. We haven't seen Team Snake in how long now? After spending like 10 chapters assembling them? (no great loss, but if the main character's own team has fallen to the wayside...)
3. As the series has shifted into focusing on Sasuke, the balance of romance,fighting, intrigue, fanservice, and generally, any given chapter unveiling a little bit more about the world and the characters has fallen apart. The series is almost entirely fighting, and then characters standing there talking. Not even recently, as far back as Naruto looking for Saske, entire chapters were spent just walking and eating ramen. "Developments" that earlier in the series, would have been handled in three panels. Also, the humor that used to be prevelant, but actually kind of funny, has degraded. Jiraiya's bickering old frog couple is just one example. The cuteness of Hinata shyly encouraging naruto and being encouraged in return, or the rivalry between Sakura and Ino, are little character defining things that no longer really occur, between ANY characters.
4. The fights are not as thought out as they were. Itachi and Saske doing FAKE moves while standing still for 10 chapters is just the latest example. As far back as Sakura and Old Lady fighting doll guy, it was like 10 chapters of very repetitive back and forth, just doing the same thing over and over again. And some of the fights that side characters (who as previously noted are getting shafterd) are skipped entirely! Plus, a bunch of 14 year olds are going around slaughtering THE GREATEST NINJAS IN THE WORLD, in one on one fights. In incredibly stupid ways generally. Naruto kills a guy by using the same exact run straight on trick twice in a row. Orochimaru, after having an epic fight with Naruto, dies in a staring contest with Sake. Pein's sidekick is beaten in one panel hen Juraiya SPITS on her, after being set up for an entire chapter. Jiraiya, one of the three supposed greatest ninja alive, has an incredibly dull fight to the death, full of moves we had already seen many times, accompanied by unfunny frogs.
5. The art is NOT consistently well drawn, and is most often, lousy. Every once and again, Kishimoto wil do a really spectacular shot that proves he can do it still, but then the rest of the time is incredibly lackluster. Entire chapters of head shots with no shading or variation in pose are incredibly dull in both composition and actual artistic rendering.
6. The intrigue is gone. The most recent chapters have revealed crucial surprise plot twists that the entire series has hinged around, that have been neither really surprising or interesting. Naruto is actually the son of the fourth hokage and there was a plan all along to give him super Kyuubi powers? Itachi wasn't actually evil but doing it for everyones good because a different member of his clan was being evil. Pein is fueled by the worlds anger! These developments and twists all pale compared to the Orochimaru/Sand Village conspiracy to overthrow the Leaf, the dychonomy of Gaara's monster demon inside him compared to Naruto's, or even Orochimaru's scheme to get Sasuke.
7. Even after three years of training, everyone is still on pretty much the same level. Naruto has, after a time ump and another trianing arc that ONLY he could do (100 clones training at once) has managed to come up with a Kyuubi form he already had that he can't control, and a stronger variation of the Rasengaan he already had that he can't control. (Really, is having three bodies make a fireball more interesting that two?) As for everyone else, well, we haven't seen any of them in acton, so its hard to tell. The idea that was once there however, that with hard work and training, you could suceed at your dreams, has fallen apart. Rock Lee is very lkely NEVER going to win an on camera in the manga fight, since he has no curse seal/magic eyeball/monster demon inside of him. Even Lee is actually a bad example because he has gates and drunken mode. There seems to be no forward progression for anybody despite massive ammounts of time and training arcs having passed.
8. And just because it still bears pointing out, Choji took a suicide pill, foughht to his death in a noble battle and got great death symbolism including butterflies and whatnot, stayed dead for like 4 volumes of material, anf then lived.
And thats far far too much writing, considering those that agree will just go "Yeah", and those that are blind will go "I think its good despite that" without actually countering anything I just said.
Wow, that crap is long.
Anyway, I pretty much agree with you on what you said here.
I personally enjoyed Part 2 quite a bit until after Deidara died. That seemed to be where they almost completely got rid of Naruto and co. I'm one of the few who actually liked the puppet fight on this forum I guess. To me, it seemed like one of the better fights in part 2.
@Mr.:
I personally enjoyed Part 2 quite a bit until after Deidara died. That seemed to be where they almost completely got rid of Naruto and co. I'm one of the few who actually liked the puppet fight on this forum I guess.
Seconded.:ninja:
Jinbei (WHITEBEARD) congratulations on making this thread funny again
And welcome back
@Lobster:
Hey. I like this guy's style..
Lobster Pot-Sticker with this you just made me rethink what I said about you before
But now a little Naruto I had some free time so I decide to get back on Naruto but I have to say Greg is almost certainly right Kishimoto is rushing this manga for the finish because he's bored with it
Can someone clear my doubts because I started to get a little confuse after a while, Sasuke is the main character now, yes ?
By the way where's Ibiki or Anko I never saw them again
Can someone clear my doubts because I started to get a little confuse after a while, Sasuke is the main character now, yes ?
No for the 1000th time.
Not intellect, intuition.
I think I did give credit where credit is due. Kishimoto creates the coolest villains in manga today. I am still hard-pressed to come up with a character as sweet as one that pulls out his own goddamned bones and battles with them.
But Kishimoto simply has no idea how to make a unique story. It's like reading one gigantic cliche on teenage angst.
What other author out there has actually taken time to apologize for leading their own story away from the focus of the material? He's gotten so caught up in the bullshit between ruined family, growing pains, separation anxiety, revenge, blah blah blah that the story has just become a giant festering ball of tripe the likes of which you can find in doujin a dime a dozen.
"Greg you're so cruel! How could you!"
That's how it is. You can almost tell how much the author has lost love in his own work. Look at the tank covers, wait, forget even that, check out the chapter covers. Good gravy, hip to head random character poses? We've been subjected to random hip to head character poses?
That is of course when he actually draws cover pages anymore. That's not the sign of someone that's enjoying their work. It seems that he just wants to get the thing over with as soon as possible.
I'm not even going to bother comparing it to OP because that's unfair. Especially here. It should be judged in its own right and in its own right, it's a rag not worth the recycled paper it's printed on.
Its my opinion. Not like i stated it as fact, i clearly said that. If you stil have a problem then go run over the highway during rush hour
PREACH
Dang, just cause you like it doesnt mean everyone has too. Like i said, i used to like it…but after Chunnin I lost interest. I REPEAT
AMEN AMEN
16 GREAT POSTS
@Sandai:
No for the 1000th time.
Did I ever ask that before ?
Because if I did I'm sorry but I can't remember
Did I ever ask that ?
Because if I did I'm sorry but I can't remember
Can someone clear my doubts because I started to get a little confuse after a while, Sasuke is the main character now, yes ?
Is that enough?:wassat:
@Sandai:
Is that enough?:wassat:
I forgot a word and you obviously didn't understand what I wanted to say go read it again after I edited it
And even so I ask only once why this
@Sandai:
No for the 1000th time.
It's seems overly aggressive to answer a simple question
I forgot a word and you obviously didn't understand what I wanted to say go read it again after I edited it
I thought you meant to ask a question you wanted answered, also the post doesn't seem that much different than the first and second time I read it.
It's seems overly aggressive to answer a simple question
I didn't think it was aggressive either way that question you asked has either been asked already or used as a complaint/argument in this thread more than once.
is sasuke the main character?
@Sandai:
I thought you meant to ask a question you wanted answered, also the post doesn't seem that much different than the first and second time I read it.
I didn't think it was aggressive either way that question you asked has been used as a complaint/argument in this thread more than once.
Them you shouldn't have quoted me because it seemed that you're implying that I already had made that question which I didn't
And if you don't tell the difference between the 1st post and the edited 1 maybe you should go back to study the past tense
Hey guys! You should watch Transformers!!
wonders if anyone gets it…
Them you shouldn't have quoted me because it seemed that you're implying that I already had made that question which I didn't
I never implied you had asked that question already, reread the second quote (mine) in my last post.
Which I edited it for clarification.
And if you don't tell the difference between the 1st post and the edited 1 maybe you should go back to study the past tense
And I was called on for being aggressive?
Complaining? As I recall I was simply recalling facts. And I was giving an example of how the author lacks interest in his own series. When reviewing a series I believe that is allowed isn't it? Looking at it from different angles? Is that not allowed according to you? Are we limited to discussing the story which you believe to be "lame"?
Greg you ain't recalling crap, again, you think Kishimoto is losing interest in his series and that his story is no good (main theme here son keep the hell up)because some of his covers/headshots/Character poses suck (LMAO). Your slow, I said Covers/Headshots/detailed pictures of characters toes =/ Good story! stop wearing the same underwear and change the hell up.
Yeah there was. You totally devoured it too.
Shut up.
Okay, so you like "lame" stories. Lame may be defined as:
weak; inadequate; unsatisfactory; clumsy
So you like spending time reading unsatisfactory stories each week. Why is that?
Lame amuses me, like your posts.
YES!!!!!
Dude I could kiss you! You make this so easy! See, I told you there was bait
Okay! So, let's get this straight. You brought One Piece into the discussion because you feel too many 'fanboys bash Naruto and hype up One Piece' AND YET I never mentioned One Piece ONCE nor did I even suggest they should be compared. It seems to me that you, who consider One Piece "lame", felt the need to take it to Naruto's level which you also believe to be "lame". You, in your own words have called Naruto and One Piece "lame" and since you earlier said you simply want to discuss story, I can only assume that you're calling Naruto's story "lame" as well. This begs the question, if Naruto is "lame", why does it need to be compared to another "lame" series when it was NEVER a part of the discussion?
I suck at math but you don't need to know math to blast the fuck through your point. Let's take a look at the post of mine you responded to, shall we?
Did you see anything about Oda? I mean well sure, in other threads or at other times I may have said Oda is a great story-teller. But that doesn't have a thing to do with this, here, now. YOU brought One Piece into the discussion. YOU compared them.
Your really starting to suck butt cheeks Greg. I don't give a Octopus tentacle what you didn't bring up, I…I brought up One Piece in our discussion. It takes two to tango in a discussion. You think Kishimoto's story telling is hot garbage and you think Oda's Balls are as big as Church bells! It's obvious you think one is superior and I am merely letting you know they are on the same level. Haha you have yet to give LEGITIMATE reason why Naruto story sucks. And no your lame "Kishimoto's covers are starting to suck, that shows he is losing interest in it and his story sucks." ain't nothing but butt smears on a roll of toilet paper.
So, I'm biased for comparing Naruto to….itself?
You're done bitch. Sit down.
I am already sitting down, I like the way you try to cop out with "I am only comparing Naruto to itself." Funny your whole argument is funny, how many more times you gonna make snot bubbles come out of my nose from laughing at your wimpy argumemt? God, now I am starting to Fart! Come on Popeye I got your Spinach (One Piece is on the same level as Naruto) How can you compare something to itself? Freak it. I AM ONLY COMPARING SASKUE TO SASKUE, Glossy Black, Black Glossy Black LET'S COMPARE THE SAME STORIES TO EACH OTHER.:getlost: It's called compare and contrast son. Seriously Greg..
is sasuke the main character?
Yes…yes he is.
Hey guys! You should watch Transformers!!
wonders if anyone gets it…
I really want to get it.
@Sandai:
I never implied you had asked that question already, reread the second quote (mine) in my last post.
I edited it for clarification
Then it was my mistake, I'm sorry because I believed you're addressing to me when you quoted me
@Sandai:
And I was called on for being aggressive
That was a friendly advice for you not to mistake present for past like you did
Also I said before I wasn't reading Naruto since Deidara died and I didn't get all that complain questions because I don't usually go back more that 3 pages
So is Sasuke the main character ?
I think I got it Greg but I'm not entirely certain
There seems to be some raging teenage angst piling up in a giant ball of lulz here.
No wait, that's just the next Rasengan.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T.
Yes. I did. I look forward to Kishimoto tossing in a random full blue panel somewhere. He's already done white and black, and blue is one of the most popular colors - he's bound to hit it eventually.
@Sandai:
People insult Naruto for the same reasons but difference is that there's usually never any noise being made from potential defenders of the series
Maybe if the Naruto series actually had those things Naruto defenders would have ammo to use. I mean honestly when was the last time someone defended Naruto's plot or characters? And by defending characters I mean other than the usual "insert random character is sooooo badass in his fights." Seems to me people that the people who still love Naruto care more about the action than any of the other elements while the so-called haters mainly feel that mindless action and campy jutsu throwing isn't enough. That Naruto should have the solid plot and solid characters that we thought it had in part 1.
After all I personally don't give much of a damn about the fights as I do about the plot and characters.
@Sandai:
I have more or less, but I usually defend it against the fandom who follow it but nitpick at every turn and the "I used to like it but don't like it because Insert_Reasons_Here and even if I don't follow it much I still want to criticize it for reasons known only to myself crowd."
What's wrong with that? It's not like brown-nosing Kishimoto and the Naruto series makes you look any more mature or anything compared to those criticising it. As far as I've seen most of the people who criticize Naruto have read it and know what they're talking about when they criticize it. It's not like how the One Piece haters are where it's obvious they haven't even given it a chance and try to claim every aspect of the series sucks.
@Sandai:
My case as of late is usually built around the unwarranted (in my mind) Sasuke hate, the arguments of the haters usually boils down to this.
I hate Sasuke because
I don't like his loner emo attittude.
I hate how his revenge for his brother drove him to turn his back on the village.
How much this story focuses on Sasuke instead of the main character Naruto and as such should be renamed "Sasuke".
My take on those reasons.
Due to rampant emophobia on messageboards around the country I won't touch upon this.
The Second reason is one I can't really understand the complaining over, it's like despite Orochimaru explicitly stating that Sasuke will seek him out when he desires more power or Jiraiya taking Naruto on as his pupil that people could still not bring themselves to accept that plot development eventhough it all made sense.
The third reason is the one I hate more because of how badly it reeks of bullshit and really just goes to show how people will grasp at straws to criticize Naruto in general or the character of Sasuke even worse is the fact that despite complaints of people who can't stand the fact of Naruto being upstaged by Sasuke they seem to be oblivious to the fact that Naruto himself isn't excactly a popular character in Shonen or manga lore.
Meh I don't think I should even try stepping foot into this one since I hate Sasuke too and this part would just get redundant. But I pretty much feel everyone is entitled to hate the Uchiha's since they take up almost all the time in the manga. An author who can't even use his main character properly isn't really all that good a writer. The fact that Kishimoto has pushed Naruto into side character status and pretty much said he gives more of a shit about Sasuke than Naruto pretty much says it all.
How can you compare something to itself?
Dah, darn you Khamolen! Everyone beats me at linking to other posts…
Seems to me people that the people who still love Naruto care more about the action
They barely even care about that.
After all I personally don't give much of a damn about the fights as I do about the plot and characters.
You sir deserve a round of applause.
It's not like how the One Piece haters are where it's obvious they haven't even given it a chance and try to claim every aspect of the series sucks.
People hate what they don't understand.
An author who can't even use his main character properly isn't really all that good a writer.
Naruto was used well in the first four arcs whereas Sasuke was used poorly most notably in the Chunnin & Tsunade arc
The fact that Kishimoto has pushed Naruto into side character status and pretty much said he gives more of a shit about Sasuke than Naruto pretty much says it all.
You just put a question in my head (rhetorical) how did Kishimoto manage to create two main characters for this series that while some have a somewhat large adoration for others have an overwhelming hatred for.
So Itachi was a good guy after all.
Hey! There's my little bitch.
Greg you ain't recalling crap
Sure I am. I can't use posts that I made to support my points?
again, you think Kishimoto is losing interest in his series and that his story is no good (main theme here son keep the hell up)
Did you decide to make that the main theme? Because I think we should look at a series at a whole.
because some of his covers/headshots/Character poses suck (LMAO).
What is this LMAO you speak of and how does it relate to the conversation and/or make your point stronger?
Your slow,
That would be, "You're slow," for future reference.
I said Covers/Headshots/detailed pictures of characters toes =/ Good story! stop wearing the same underwear and change the hell up.
How am I supposed to respond to this blasphemy of 5th grade grammar?
Shut up.
Oh so you DID get what I was talking about. Well at least you acknowledged you took the bait via your 2nd grade retort.
Lame amuses me, like your posts.
Okay, so you like lame things. You also like my posts which you also define as lame. You like things that are 'broken'. If you enjoy my posts, then why are you telling me to 'shut up'? You should be encouraging me to find even more errors in your posts and weak points.
Your really starting to suck butt cheeks Greg.
Again, "You're," and how does this help your points?
I don't give a Octopus tentacle what you didn't bring up
An octopus isn't a proper noun. Slow down, your angry typing is making you forget basic grammar.
I…I brought up One Piece in our discussion. It takes two to tango in a discussion. You think Kishimoto's story telling is hot garbage and you think Oda's Balls are as big as Church bells! It's obvious you think one is superior and I am merely letting you know they are on the same level.
Here's going to be the last line of my prayers tonight before I go to sleep:
"…and thank you for Miracles who says exactly what I want him to say like a good bitch."
Once again, you have said precisely what I wanted you to. Thank you Miracles. You make this so easy.
What I think about another story doesn't matter because I refused to bring it into the discussion because it isn't fair to compare the two which are currently running. Instead of looking for what Naruto is or isn't in another series, which let's face it, is 90% of what muppets like yourself do, you constantly look at it in terms of what it lacks or doesn't lack in terms of other series. And for the record, all the posters saying, "LOL! OP IS SO MUCH BETTER!", need to shut the hell up because all you do is make monsters like Miracles.
Now here's my whole point. I wanted to write this yesterday but since it was past your bedtime and you couldn't reply I've waited until now to unveil the big picture.
You brought One Piece into the discussion because people like you are so used to comparing them. It's all you can do. You can't look at a series that you like and others may not. You think everything has to be even-fucking-steven. Why? Because your ego is the size of a blimp and to admit a series that you like, may not be that great, would be like fucking Hindenburg. So what else can you do in the situation?
"They're all equal! No one is better than another!"
Why? Because it pains you to see others enjoying a series while pointing out what may be wrong with something you like. When you remove that factor. When you remove the comparison, when you totally eliminate the competition, all you're left with is the series itself. And since you KNOW looking at the series alone you can only pick out points to criticize or praise, you're left with jack shit. THAT'S why YOU brought it into the discussion.
Remember when you said yesterday, "Cause many one piece fanboys bash Naruto's story and hype up One Piece.", THERE IT IS! Your insecurity at its grandest! Yes, you're absolutely right Miracles you DID bring it into the discussion because you're insecure about your own fandom and unless you're bringing other series to the same level as what you like, you can't say anything. All you've ever done is compare X and Y and Z among them and when you can't do that you end up saying stupid shit. Stupid shit like:
I feel the story of Naruto is an average shonen jump story, lame like One Piece.
See now that's a sentence from a desperate muthafucker.
In your attempt to bring them to the same level, you use an insulting adjective for both series. You then went on to detail how you like 'lame' things.
Now today you call my posts 'lame' which you're obviously using as an insult, WHILE using it in the same context you used to describe the series in question.
When you take away the tit-for-tat bullshit comparison you simply have nothing to say or comment on because you're afraid to admit something you like may not be as good as you think it is.
It doesn't matter what I think about One Piece, it's COMPLETELY out of discussion here. You brought it up solely because you were hoping I would start pointing out what One Piece does or doesn't have that Naruto may or may not. Then you could say, "You're biased!", no way. Not this BMF. You can play your shit-children games with others but here it's the mother-fucking-Nauto Discussion V [Re-Re-Redux], all Naruto, all the mother-fucking time. I don't give two shits about One Piece and Luffy's fairy faggot crew. Let's talk about how Kishimoto lost love for his series. How he lost track of the heart of his series. How he draws shitty intro pages. How he sometimes doesn't draw shitty intro pages. How we know he CAN produce beautiful artwork but doesn't do so consistantly. How he's completely left the main character of his series in the dust. How he's chosen one character popular with fans merely BECAUSE of the popularity to focus on. How he's admitted he can never go back to being a simple ninja story. How he consistantly has BMF villains die like FUCKING dogs, "in the knick of time.". How he creates AWESOME villains that will blow you away and defeats them with characters as interesting as cardboard. How he underuses some of his WICKEDEST heroes. How he wastes page space. How he focuses WAY too much on growing pains, separation anxiety and other annoying as fuck societal/psychological problems WAY too often and presents them as desirable rather than offering a way to fix them.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT SHIT AND FORGET ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE DONE IN ONE FUCKING PIECE.
You sir, have no points to make, no arguments, and NOTHING to defend yourself with other than a, "But every series is equal!"-bullshit mantra.
Now sit down, no one is interested in you and your vapid incendiary posts. You don't matter, no one cares. This is the last post I'll ever waste on you, however, I will enjoy reading your posts and laughing my balls off at them along with everyone else here.
Could always use this to get the point across.
this thread
May I just say "Bravo" to Greg-san for being mature in argument, as opposed to automatically gainsaying and insulting Miracles (and Jinbei, as they seem to be the same person, when it suits them)? At least, at first, anyway, when the effort was needed. Now you can go at the two all you want, since they're not trying to be mature about it at all.
And Tarrin-san, for that lovely prediction of what Miracles is going to do next, as it seems the most likely to happen.
Now you can go at the two all you want, since they're not trying to be mature about it at all.
Heh, no really. I'm done with both. Actually Jinbei seems to have wandered off after no one cared that he was Whitebeard (something Seniors and Mods have long known). As for Miracles, he will want to reply exactly as Tarrin pointed out but having it pointed out will force him to take another route. And even though I already know what it is, what he'll say and how to deal with it, I'm done with him. I made a fool out of him and in the process discovered the weak point of every Naruto VS X discussion, remove the X and the assailants can't do anything but panic while attempting to bring the comparisons back into the picture of their own will. He does a fine job of making himself look like an ass all on his own so I'll just sit back and enjoy.
@Konekone:
May I just say "Bravo" to Greg-san for being mature in argument, as opposed to automatically gainsaying and insulting Miracles (and Jinbei, as they seem to be the same person, when it suits them)? At least, at first, anyway, when the effort was needed. Now you can go at the two all you want, since they're not trying to be mature about it at all.
And Tarrin-san, for that lovely prediction of what Miracles is going to do next, as it seems the most likely to happen.
hey guys i joined in febuaerry 08 i know everything about every poster here except that both these faggots have been banned from every forum in existence including this one
bravo greg, you are a more dedicated man than i
also polite and good looking with a suave personality
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs25/f/2008/109/8/7/naruto_is_a_manga_by_MrTeach.jpg
I think this is Kishimoto's next phase: the fans will consider it so groundbreaking that they won't realize that its just dumb.
Greg san and Tarrin san
Greg, that would have to be one of the most beautiful posts and reply in an argument I have ever seen on any forum. Bravo.
As Konekone watched Greg take the derelicts into his home, presumably to clothe and feed them, he felt a tinge somewhere deep down in his soul. Could it be love that he was feeling for this unbelievably kind man? Could he really be in love?
"Konekone-san, what are you doing out here in the cold? Why don't you come in and have some ramen with me and those hobos-kun," Greg said, looking down into Konekone's soul with his magnificent orbs. Konekone knew for sure that it was hella love he was feeling.
END CHAPTER 1
reliable spoilers:
Konekone pours over his drama for 3 days
Goes to declare his love
Greg dead in car crash
where is the lemon chapter
skipping ahead
where is buuhan, he needs to draw some porn of this
the lemon chapter is way too far off
I will say this though
it is pretty dang hot
@Sandai:
They barely even care about that.
Come on. Most of the people who are pointing out good things about part 2 are mainly saying "this or that fight was kick ass" I mean honestly it's not like they're saying the good points are character development or direction of the plot because even a grade A retard would realize that the Naruto series lacks these good points completely.
Deidara for instance. People bring up the Sasuke vs Deidara fight and say Deidara was cool in that as a reason as to why Deidara was a great character and really that's it.
People hate what they don't understand.
Well you obviously can't use that argument for Naruto…
Naruto was used well in the first four arcs whereas Sasuke was used poorly most notably in the Chunnin & Tsunade arc
I'll agree withthat I suppose… but even then Sasuke always came off as more important than Naruto even during Part 1 and Naruto wasn't really handled well if he's winning fights by farting in people's faces.
You just put a question in my head (rhetorical) how did Kishimoto manage to create two main characters for this series that while some have a somewhat large adoration for others have an overwhelming hatred for.
Probably because Sasuke always was the main character but the editors forced him to make Naruto the dumbass into the main character to appeal to the kiddies or something… I mean in part 1 it's obvious that Sasuke always came off as the main character while Naruto didn't.
Aethos, fuming with unbridled rage, yelled at Sandai Mera. He couldn't remember what they were arguing about, but there'd be hell to pay if he wasn't the one to come out on top. Of course, Sandai Mera met each argument with his own, the same thoughts bubbling around in his heart.
For a glistening moment, however, their eyes met, and Naruto meant nothing to them. Their feud silenced, stifled by this pregnant pause. "Aethos, I…"
"Shhhh..." whispered Aethos, leaning in close to Sandai Mera. "I know."
Nothing mattered to them that night. The only thing they could see was each other.
END CHAPTER 24
Probably because Sasuke always was the main character but the editors forced him to make Naruto the dumbass into the main character to appeal to the kiddies or something… I mean in part 1 it's obvious that Sasuke always came off as the main character while Naruto didn't.
I honestly think Naruto was always meant to be the main character: he's one of the few that came over from the original one-shot and Kishi initially stated he wanted a story regarding a true underdog. The problem is the editors at Jump found it important that this loser character needed a successful rival…and that's where the problems started. He made the rival so successful and so popular and with such massive potential that he not only eclipsed the underdog but became the driving force of the entire friggin manga!
If Kishimoto '99 could go forward in time to see the series Kishimoto '08 did, he would either take it in a different direction or just end it once he was done with Zabuza.
@Tokoro:
I honestly think Naruto was always meant to be the main character
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Probably because Sasuke always was the main character but the editors forced him to make Naruto the dumbass into the main character to appeal to the kiddies or something… I mean in part 1 it's obvious that Sasuke always came off as the main character while Naruto didn't.
Actually, this may humor you, but Kishimoto didn't even intend to create Sasuke as a character. One of his editors suggested that he made a "cool" rival that was better than Naruto at everything. If that editor never suggested that, I wonder where we'd be now (the series probably would have ended 2 years ago).
jinbei and miracles get out here
I must finish my next chapter
@Tokoro:
I honestly think Naruto was always meant to be the main character: he's one of the few that came over from the original one-shot and Kishi initially stated he wanted a story regarding a true underdog. The problem is the editors at Jump found it important that this loser character needed a successful rival…and that's where the problems started. He made the rival so successful and so popular and with such massive potential that he not only eclipsed the underdog but became the driving force of the entire friggin manga!
If Kishimoto '99 could go forward in time to see the series Kishimoto '08 did, he would either take it in a different direction or just end it once he was done with Zabuza.
lol I think kishi would have traveled down the same path. I think he stopped caring towards the end of the chuunin exam.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
lol I think kishi would have traveled down the same path. I think he stopped caring towards the end of the chuunin exam.
Highly doubt it. Did Kishi realize that those stupid eyes that were originally supposed to just be "copying techniques" and that was defeated by Zabuza in the first arc would just get so haxxed and ridiculous even then? (let alone tagging Naruto along the Uchiha storyline just because "he's got their pet") I somehow imagine Kishi going in a different direction if he knew all that, even if he kept the Chuunin Exam.
Probably because Sasuke always was the main character but the editors forced him to make Naruto the dumbass into the main character to appeal to the kiddies or something… I mean in part 1 it's obvious that Sasuke always came off as the main character while Naruto didn't.
The only thing obvious is you're still the biggest fucktard on these forums
And given the new batch of posters like Rosé that recently appeared it is no small feat