It is probobly the only entry to get to the new world and its underwater, right?
The reason why im saying this is because maybe other characters will have to see them there. Smoker, Buggy, and supposedly Gin and others but, sooner or later they will have to meet each other sooner or later. I think that even if the other characters took different islands, fisman island will be the unison.
Wait, all 7 sets of islands lead up to fisman island right?
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Probably not
As Kokoro asked where their log was pointed.
If Fishman Island was the only one there, she would have just known.
There's probably other Islands that are able to pass the Red Line.
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Click spoiler for the pic.
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Before you arrive at the Red Line there are still 5 routes, so not all routes will take you to Fishman Island. But there is still a possibility that there are 2 routes that will take you to Fishman Island.
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Well, i guess it was worth a stupid theory. Didn't see that picture.
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i was thinking in this… i dont know if that map is really true... but i think that going underwater is the only way to cross the red line with a ship
The next Nakama will be a parrot (?)
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i was thinking in this… i dont know if that map is really true... but i think that going underwater is the only way to cross the red line with a ship
Yeah I was thinking that as well…unlike on the other side of the world, there doesn't seem to be anything like Reverse Mountain for scaling it so it's probably only accessibly underwater...and I'm not sure we can dismiss the thread creator's theory...Fishmen island, like Skypeia, might not only be an island but a huge underwater world with mutliple islands that would be at all of those paths. Or at least one of the many underwater islands that have to be traversed through to pass under the Red Line
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Maybe Fishman Island is the safest way to pass through that part of the Red Line. Y'know, like the Calm Belt being the most dangerous and the sea before Reverse Mountain being the safest.
Meh, too tired to explain correctly.
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i was thinking in this… i dont know if that map is really true... but i think that going underwater is the only way to cross the red line with a ship
Nah, probably it will be like the "how to get to sky island" thing, there is a dumb as hell way, and there is the safer way that kills people in your crew at random and we don't know it yet.
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Probably not
As Kokoro asked where their log was pointed.
If Fishman Island was the only one there, she would have just known.
There's probably other Islands that are able to pass the Red Line.
Actually, the log pose would only go one way from Water 7, it's not like it picks a new path at random. =]
But yeah, you're still right, there's more than one way past the red line.
Nah, probably it will be like the "how to get to sky island" thing, there is a dumb as hell way, and there is the safer way that kills people in your crew at random and we don't know it yet.
Was the other way to Skypiea ever really explained beyond that?
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Was the other way to Skypiea ever really explained beyond that?
not as of yet
btw: use the "edit" button rather than double posting
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i was thinking in this… i dont know if that map is really true... but i think that going underwater is the only way to cross the red line with a ship
Norland sailed through the holy land to get to Jaya iirc. Do you really think they wouldn't build some canal for easy access through the red line?
Ofc there is bound to be other ways through, unless you have taken the right logpath you most likely can't find your way to fishman island.
Actually, the log pose would only go one way from Water 7, it's not like it picks a new path at random. =]
They didn't reach W7 via the logpose, so theoretically the logpose could have been set at any of the three locations longring island, W7 and EL. (depending on how long time it takes to set at each location)
But reading back she isn't acctually asking where it is pointing. She is asking if they know where it is pointing (ie what the next location is)
@stephens:
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Gulls: (caww)(caww)
[The 3rd day of waiting for the new ship]
Nami: The Log's been set!!
Our Log Pose is pointing the way toward the next island!!!Luffy: So all that's left is a ship to ride!! I can't wait!!
Nami: Yes. They did tell us not to come see until it's ready, so they can surprise us…
Cocoro: You folksh... You know where you'll be going fer tha next island?
Nami: No, where?
...it seems to be pointing downward a bit...Cocoro: Ngagaga... an' no wonder.
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What´s keeping a sky island from floating above the Redline?
What´s preventing people from simply digging a canal?
Why don´t Pirates just enter land and get a ship at the other side?
Why can´t there be kind of an "octopus-airline" to fly over the Redline?
Or a Giant tossing them?
Or a Seaking being involved?
One Route out of five that are left, one route leads to Fishman Island. Maybe another route will have the Logpose´s needle pointing up, while on another route the needle might just be pointing straight through the Redline and it´s left to the travellers how to overcome such an obstacle.
But please don´t tell me that passing underneath the Redline is the only logical way to overcome it in OPverse. Just…don´t.
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thank you for that post CongoJack. I couldn't quite express myself that clearly.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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There are probably several routes over the Red Line…but somehow one of them is probably through Mariejoa so I doubt all of them are that sane to persue. Its not like though they ended up using the Log Pose for all places anyway considering their circumstances for each island.
Whiskey Peak: Log Pose (plus Mr. 9 & Ms. Wednsday/Vivi's influence)
Little Garden: Log Pose from Whiskey Peak
Drum: Floating adrift after Nami gets sick
Alabasta: Eternal Pose (found by Sanji on Little Garden)
Jaya: Eternal Pose (found from the falling sky ship)
Skypiea: Log Pose from Alabasta
Long Ring Long Land: Log Pose from Skypiea
Water 7: Eternal Pose (can't remember where)
Enias Lobby: Sea Train Route to/from Water 7
Thriller Bark: Captured after drifting into Florian Triangle
Fishman Island: Log Pose from Water 7Not really too sure about some of them but basically the routes are always changing based on various circumstances.
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They came across the seatrain station after long ring long land. (they followed the frog doing breast strokes or something.)
I don't recall the eternal pose from there though, I thought they just followed the tracks to get there…Did the falling ship carry the eternal pose to Jaya or did they steal that from Mashira or whatever the monkey guy was called?
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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@Tokoro:
Whiskey Peak: Log Pose (plus Mr. 9 & Ms. Wednsday/Vivi's influence)
Little Garden: Log Pose from Whiskey Peak
Drum: Floating adrift after Nami gets sick
Alabasta: Eternal Pose (found by Sanji on Little Garden)
Jaya: Eternal Pose (found from the falling sky ship)
Skypiea: Log Pose from Alabasta
Long Ring Long Land: Log Pose from Skypiea
Water 7: Eternal Pose (can't remember where)
Enias Lobby: Sea Train Route to/from Water 7
Thriller Bark: Captured after drifting into Florian Triangle
Fishman Island: Log Pose from Water 7Not really too sure about some of them but basically the routes are always changing based on various circumstances.
Iirc, they just followed the Log Pose from LRLL to Water 7. It was just a coincidence that they ran into the Sea Station and saw the Frog doing the breast stroke or whatever he was doing.
They came across the seatrain station after long ring long land. (they followed the frog doing breast strokes or something.)
I don't recall the eternal pose from there though, I thought they just followed the tracks to get there…Did the falling ship carry the eternal pose to Jaya or did they steal that from Mashira or whatever the monkey guy was called?
I believe they stole the Eternal Pose from Masira's ship.
@OP - I would imagine most of what everyone else has said to be true. The Log Pose from Water 7 seems to connect to Fishman Island, so I would imagine this is just one of the 7 options from the start of Reverse Mountain. Dependent on how accurate the diagram of the 7 paths is, we could assume there are 5 options or ways to enter the New World by crossing the Red Line.
WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
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OK, so that was a regular Log Post from LRLL to W7. So then this is still the path they've followed effectively since Alabasta. Which means that no Vivi = a different path they would have followed most likely from either Little Garden (which has the whole "one hundred years to set" problem) or Drum (which was just coincidence in encounter and didn't allow for any setting due to the Alabasta EP)
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Technically Skypiea isn't after Arabasta.
The logpose changed midtravel for some reason or another.
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Skypeia was the next destination set from the Logpose after Alabasta. That's why they only had about three days(?) to get set up and Lleave Jaya otherwise the Logpose would have changed destination.
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Skypiea is not usually after Arabasta. Mid travel the logpose suddenly started to point upwards. The LP resett somewhere before they landed at Jaya.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/218/13/
(note that the logpose is totally horizontal)http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/218/19/
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You do know that the Logpose was most likely pointing to the half of Jaya that was up in the sky. While it may not have been to Skypeia exactly, the Logpose pointed up to it and that's where they went.
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About the Skypiea Pose: there really wasn't that much time that occured from departure from Alabasta to the pose turning up. Robin appeared almost immediately after leaving Alabasta waters and there was probably only a really short period between that and "Ussop's interview", which by the end had the ship falling from the sky and the pose turning up. Thus I really don't see too much of a problem with Skypiea being directly on their path post-Alabasta.
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Kidany: Yeah obviously it pointed to the "upper yard". (I thought that was skypiea? atleast that's what the map of skypiea was depicting).
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/219/08/
THis does not change that there was a sudden change in the middle of travel though.Tokoro: you do notice that the logpose is completly horizontal in the first picture (which is after the Robin interview) then minutes (or perhaps even just seconds) later it is vertical?
They even comment on how it locks on to another magnetic field. The change is too big in too short ammount of time to have been allways pointing toward skypiea.
NORMALLY SKYPIEA IS NOT AFTER ARABASTA!
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Tokoro: you do notice that the logpose is completly horizontal in the first picture (which is after the Robin interview) then minutes (or perhaps even just seconds) later it is vertical?
They even comment on how it locks on to another magnetic field. The change is too big in too short ammount of time to have been allways pointing toward skypiea.
NORMALLY SKYPIEA IS NOT AFTER ARABASTA!
Did Nami's Log Pose even lock on to any island from Alabasta? From how I saw it, they were probably still within either Alabasta's sphere and the Log Pose didn't lock on to Skypiea until the ship fell from the sky or Skypiea's log is just that powerful at certain points.
Perhaps the log always points up, most people ignore it, go to another island and then the log locks on the next island from the location of their current island. But because the log locked on to Skypiea and the SH went there, they effectively stayed in a straight line since then. (Skypiea->LRLL->W7->Fishman Island)
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some posts here say that it
s a good way is to cross the redline underwater…. ehhm how should this go...its MASSIV land also underneath the water...it can`t be like a bridge above the grandline....so their must be a canal or a tunnel from the one to the other side.....thats the only way a ship could cross this massiv land underwater...Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
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Alright, I've been thinking over the Skypiea log a bit and I've realized that it probably isn't associated with Alabasta…but only if the following have happened:
1. Alabasta's log is much longer than the SH's stay (as in arriving, defeating Baroque Works, resting and then being chased off by Marines)
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I'm pretty sure that only one or two routes go into Fishman Island. Or maybe Fishman Island is a lot bigger than we thought, and stretches all across the bottom side of the Red Line. Man, I really want Fishman Island now.
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Did Nami's Log Pose even lock on to any island from Alabasta? From how I saw it, they were probably still within either Alabasta's sphere and the Log Pose didn't lock on to Skypiea until the ship fell from the sky or Skypiea's log is just that powerful at certain points.
Perhaps the log always points up, most people ignore it, go to another island and then the log locks on the next island from the location of their current island. But because the log locked on to Skypiea and the SH went there, they effectively stayed in a straight line since then. (Skypiea->LRLL->W7->Fishman Island)
No, the log pose is already set in the first picture.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/218/13/Nami has a heading and everything. She even mentions that the next island is an autumn island "according to the arabasta records".
And when the logpose changes to point towards the sky they seem to be as suprised of the change as the fact that it is pointing upwards.What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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No, the log pose is already set in the first picture.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/218/13/Nami has a heading and everything. She even mentions that the next island is an autumn island "according to the arabasta records".
And when the logpose changes to point towards the sky they seem to be as suprised of the change as the fact that it is pointing upwards.Alright, sorry for my confusion earlier. Still trying to figure out how the Skypiea log happened though but I guess then it moves up the straight ahead pattern they've been on from Alabasta to Skypiea/Upper Yard.
Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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I'm sorry I'm bumping an old thread but here is what I think regarding the Skypeia log. I think that technically after leaving Arabasta the log would've set to point to Jaya. However since Upper Yard and Jaya are the same place, the log pose can point to any one of them in a similar way how a compass can point to any magnet in it's vicinity.
Now Skypiea also moves and so the distance (and therefore magnetic strength) can change. Also, if I recall correctly the mass of land in Upper Yard is bigger than that of Jaya, so when Skypiea is within reach the log pose will point towards it rather than towards Jaya. So what I am imagining is that after leaving Arabasta, the log pose was pointing towards Jaya, they started moving in that direction when suddenly Skypiea moved within range and the log pose started pointing at it.
This theory makes sense only if I am correct when saying that Upper Yard is actually bigger than Jaya. Otherwise..ignore it.
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I'm sorry I'm bumping an old thread but here is what I think regarding the Skypeia log. I think that technically after leaving Arabasta the log would've set to point to Jaya. However since Upper Yard and Jaya are the same place, the log pose can point to any one of them in a similar way how a compass can point to any magnet in it's vicinity.
Now Skypiea also moves and so the distance (and therefore magnetic strength) can change. Also, if I recall correctly the mass of land in Upper Yard is bigger than that of Jaya, so when Skypiea is within reach the log pose will point towards it rather than towards Jaya. So what I am imagining is that after leaving Arabasta, the log pose was pointing towards Jaya, they started moving in that direction when suddenly Skypiea moved within range and the log pose started pointing at it.
This theory makes sense only if I am correct when saying that Upper Yard is actually bigger than Jaya. Otherwise..ignore it.
Never even thought about it until now. Makes pretty much sense what you´ve said.
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Jaya wasn't an Autumn Island; it was another summer island with jungles like Little Garden. Rather, I think that the Log Pose was pointing to the Island Buggy was on; it didn't seem too far away. Robin stole the Eternal Pose to Jaya from Masira.
I remember reading somewhere that the next Island after Little Garden normally was Nanimonai Island, which is the Giant Goldfish Turd. That's also the Island that Robin gave them an Eternal Pose to (Which Luffy crushed). However, you have to ask how Mr. 3 and Goldenweek got to Little Garden from Vacation Island. An Eternal Pose would be impossible, because they would have had to survive a year on Little Garden, so logic dictates that Vacation Island (Lukia Island, or something?) was next in the chain. Kurei also got to Little Garden with no problems.
So, was it Little Garden -> Nanimonai -> Vacation Island -> Arabasta, or Little Garden -> Vacation Island -> Nanimonai -> Arabasta? It's all a bit confusing, really…
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Rather, I think that the Log Pose was pointing to the Island Buggy was on; it didn't seem too far away. Robin stole the Eternal Pose to Jaya from Masira.
Wtf… with what info did you come to this bogus conclusion?
the next Island after Little Garden normally was Nanimonai Island, which is the Giant Goldfish Turd. That's also the Island that Robin gave them an Eternal Pose to (Which Luffy crushed).
Robin gave them an eternal post to Alabasta (presumably from Igram), and the Goldfish turd island wouldn't have a magnetic field attractable to any log post so it's not an island.
However, you have to ask how Mr. 3 and Goldenweek got to Little Garden from Vacation Island. An Eternal Pose would be impossible, because they would have had to survive a year on Little Garden, so logic dictates that Vacation Island (Lukia Island, or something?) was next in the chain. Kurei also got to Little Garden with no problems
Again… wtf??? Why would they need to survive a year on LG to have an Eternal Post to that island.
That introduction to Mr 3 and Goldenweek on Vacation Island is really oddly placed in terms of time. We see them there RIGHT as Broggy and Dorry first fights, and then soon after that, Mr3 and GW are chilling in their wax hideout "welcoming back" Mr5 and Valentine. In terms of time… it just doesn't make any sense because their "welcoming back" denotes that they were already in the wax hideout b4 Mr5 and Valentine set off to boobie-trap the booze that Broggy got from Usopp and Nami BEFORE THE FIRST GIANT FIGHT. In other words, Mr2 and Goldenweek were on Vacation Island sometime BEFORE the crew landed on Little Garden.
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well easy kids XD
Jaya and Skypiea WERE THE SAME ISLAND
SO the logical conclution is that both point to the same way but luffy just happened to go down the island in the right moment
edit: i didnt read power i always tought the same anyway the mugiwaras never followed only the log pose (they changed route to arabasta that maybe wasnt in the original way)
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Wtf… with what info did you come to this bogus conclusion?
Just a guess. It was nearby and looked more like an autumn island than Jaya is.
Robin gave them an eternal post to Alabasta (presumably from Igram), and the Goldfish turd island wouldn't have a magnetic field attractable to any log post so it's not an island.
No, she gave them a eternal pose to Nanimonai. She says this later in a conversation with Crocodile. Once I find it I'll post a link. But it was NOT an eternal post to Arabasta.
Again… wtf??? Why would they need to survive a year on LG to have an Eternal Post to that island.
Uh, maybe because Broggy said that it takes a year for the Log Post to set. Why should an Eternal pose be any different, yeah?
That introduction to Mr 3 and Goldenweek on Vacation Island is really oddly placed in terms of time. We see them there RIGHT as Broggy and Dorry first fights, and then soon after that, Mr3 and GW are chilling in their wax hideout "welcoming back" Mr5 and Valentine. In terms of time… it just doesn't make any sense because their "welcoming back" denotes that they were already in the wax hideout b4 Mr5 and Valentine set off to boobie-trap the booze that Broggy got from Usopp and Nami BEFORE THE FIRST GIANT FIGHT. In other words, Mr2 and Goldenweek were on Vacation Island sometime BEFORE the crew landed on Little Garden.
I understand this. But that still doesn't answer how they got an Eternal Post to Little Garden. It takes a year for a log post to set. It was my understanding that Eternal Posts take the same amount of time, they're just fixed in special structures to lock the magnetic field of that particular island forever.
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Hm. So chapter 500 is going to mark the moiety of One Piece, huh? Another 8 years+ to go till its end o,o
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@Fire Fist:
Jaya wasn't an Autumn Island; it was another summer island with jungles like Little Garden. Rather, I think that the Log Pose was pointing to the Island Buggy was on; it didn't seem too far away. Robin stole the Eternal Pose to Jaya from Masira.
What are you basing this statement on? How can you tell if didn´t seem to be far away? From whoom? The Strawhats? There was absolutely no clue given that gave us any indication as to how far that island was from the Strawhats.
I remember reading somewhere that the next Island after Little Garden normally was Nanimonai Island, which is the Giant Goldfish Turd. That's also the Island that Robin gave them an Eternal Pose to (Which Luffy crushed)
Nope, it was only said that Nanimonai is right before Arabasta but it was never said that it actually is close to Little Garden.
However, you have to ask how Mr. 3 and Goldenweek got to Little Garden from Vacation Island. An Eternal Pose would be impossible, because they would have had to survive a year on Little Garden, so logic dictates that Vacation Island (Lukia Island, or something?) was next in the chain. Kurei also got to Little Garden with no problems.
Bullshit! Little Garden is the next island after Whiskey Peak. This is evidentally proven by the route the Strawhats took with their regular Log Pose. So there´s no way Kyuuka Island could also lead to Little Garden with a regular Log Pose. To get to Little Garden without following the Log route you simply need an Eternal Pose.
@Fire Fist:
Uh, maybe because Broggy said that it takes a year for the Log Post to set. Why should an Eternal pose be any different, yeah?
What the hell are you actually talking about? An Eternal Pose always points to just one island so it doesn´t need to set/adapt to a new magnetic field.
Also why are you bringing the one year thing into play? The one year thing only means that you have to wait for one year at Little Garden until the Log Pose adapts to the magnetic field of the next island. Getting to Little Garden itself has nothing to do with it, neither for the Log Pose (as the Strawhats have proven from their starting point Whiskey Peak) nor for an Eternal Pose (as it was most probably the case for Mr. 3). And last but not least, the Strawhats only made a quick escape from Little Garden because of an Eternal Pose.
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Back to the original topic…
I think it does not matter if all routes lead to fishman Island or not. Remember, all route will eventually lead to the Red Line. Once on the shores of the Red Line, you can just go North or South and CHOOSE your way of crossing (if there is more than one). For instance, we know that the Marine HQ and Marijoa are near, but if an unlucky pirate crew ends up there, the ship just needs to go south/north along the Red Line to search for another passageway.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I got an idea. What if Marejoa is i between the redline. The red line is a bunch of mountains, right? well what if part of the red lines are just two mountains, one in part 1 and one in new world, then in between thats were Marajeoa is. And there might be a passage were marines get to new world.
That might be how pirates get in. Oh and not all 7 trails will lead to FM island, some might lead to the first island in the New World and the pirates have to get over themselfs.
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Back to the original topic…
I think it does not matter if all routes lead to fishman Island or not. Remember, all route will eventually lead to the Red Line. Once on the shores of the Red Line, you can just go North or South and CHOOSE your way of crossing (if there is more than one). For instance, we know that the Marine HQ and Marijoa are near, but if an unlucky pirate crew ends up there, the ship just needs to go south/north along the Red Line to search for another passageway.
Then theoretically, a pirate crew could mistakenly exit the Grand Line by going to far North or South. What I want to know is how do you actually cross the Red Line. I've always assumed that there'd be some "paths" ala Reverse Mountain for exiting the GL and getting into any of the blues, or for going back and forth between the 1st half of the GL and the 2nd half of the GL "The New World". I'm really hoping that chapter 500 will be crossing of the Red Line or more so, the revelation of how to cross it. I mean, pirates like the rolling pirates have crossed back and forth, so it's got to be something somewhat easy and accessible.
Sorry to go off-topic. I like the poster's idea regarding Skypiea's Upperyard moving around and the SHs just getting lucking and having their log set to skypiea after Arabasta.
As for the Eternal Pose needing to set one year at Little Garden. So what if it does take one year, after one year it's set correct. For all we know, there's a shop you go to and buy Eternal Pose to all of the so far discovered islands. So, if you need an eternal pose, you just go get one…
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well easy kids XD
Jaya and Skypiea WERE THE SAME ISLAND
SO the logical conclution is that both point to the same way but luffy just happened to go down the island in the right moment
edit: i didnt read power i always tought the same anyway the mugiwaras never followed only the log pose (they changed route to arabasta that maybe wasnt in the original way)
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What are you basing this statement on? How can you tell if didn´t seem to be far away? From whoom? The Strawhats? There was absolutely no clue given that gave us any indication as to how far that island was from the Strawhats.
You're right, I looked it over… all it says is that those events happened a day before they arrived in Jaya. So scratch this one.
Nope, it was only said that Nanimonai is right before Arabasta but it was never said that it actually is close to Little Garden.
Bullshit! Little Garden is the next island after Whiskey Peak. This is evidentally proven by the route the Strawhats took with their regular Log Pose. So there´s no way Kyuuka Island could also lead to Little Garden with a regular Log Pose. To get to Little Garden without following the Log route you simply need an Eternal Pose.
What the hell are you actually talking about? An Eternal Pose always points to just one island so it doesn´t need to set/adapt to a new magnetic field.
First things first, I meant from Little Garden -> Kyuuka, not Whisky Peak -> Kyuuka -> Little Garden.
Anyway, The point is, we don't know how Eternal Poses are created. It was my understanding that it still takes the same amount of time to set the eternal pose, and then it's locked in place so that it permanently records the magnetic field of that Island. They have to be created somehow.
Also why are you bringing the one year thing into play? The one year thing only means that you have to wait for one year at Little Garden until the Log Pose adapts to the magnetic field of the next island. Getting to Little Garden itself has nothing to do with it, neither for the Log Pose (as the Strawhats have proven from their starting point Whiskey Peak) nor for an Eternal Pose (as it was most probably the case for Mr. 3). And last but not least, the Strawhats only made a quick escape from Little Garden because of an Eternal Pose.
Same as above. They have to create the Eternal Pose, and we don't know how exactly they would do that. It's obvious they'd have to get the magnetic field in the first place, right? Unless they have a machine that can magically give you any island's Magnetic field, it has to be recorded on something first.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Anyway, The point is, we don't know how Eternal Poses are created. It was my understanding that it still takes the same amount of time to set the eternal pose, and then it's locked in place so that it permanently records the magnetic field of that Island. They have to be created somehow.
Same as above. They have to create the Eternal Pose, and we don't know how exactly they would do that. It's obvious they'd have to get the magnetic field in the first place, right? Unless they have a machine that can magically give you any island's Magnetic field, it has to be recorded on something first.
I seriously doubt that anyone of them creates the Eternal Pose themselves. So far we´ve only seen people use it, not create it so it´s most likely that they already had the Eternal Pose without having to create it.
A good argument for that theory would be the entire concept of Baroque Works. It´s a criminal organisation that planned all of its moves carefully. The organisations influence runs from the beginning of the Grand Line until Arabasta. Border agents are locacted at the starting islands of the seven routes. Furthermore the numbered agents were sent on missions within reach of the border islands and Arabasta. Examples for that are Miss All-Sunday, the Mr. 5 pair and the Mr. 3 pair. In order to navigate there they would require Eternal Poses. If they have Eternal Poses to Arabasta then I don´t have any doubt that Mr. 0 could provide other Eternal Poses to the islands that lie within the route beginning and Arabasta. Otherwise the organisation isn´t really well equiped.
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I dunno about the main topic but thanks for bringing this discussion up.
I had totally forgotten (or maybe I never even realized when I read it) that there were exactly 7 routes through GL. I always thought it was an unnumbered amount. That makes me feel a lot better considering….well....a lot of things. The scale of the journey, the progress they see along the way, how well it may or may not have been recorded in total, the awareness of happenings on islands amongst each other. A lot of things I was chalking up to being 'a comic book' make a good deal of sense now! Thanks guys!
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I'm sorry I'm bumping an old thread but here is what I think regarding the Skypeia log. I think that technically after leaving Arabasta the log would've set to point to Jaya. However since Upper Yard and Jaya are the same place, the log pose can point to any one of them in a similar way how a compass can point to any magnet in it's vicinity.
Now Skypiea also moves and so the distance (and therefore magnetic strength) can change. Also, if I recall correctly the mass of land in Upper Yard is bigger than that of Jaya, so when Skypiea is within reach the log pose will point towards it rather than towards Jaya. So what I am imagining is that after leaving Arabasta, the log pose was pointing towards Jaya, they started moving in that direction when suddenly Skypiea moved within range and the log pose started pointing at it.
This theory makes sense only if I am correct when saying that Upper Yard is actually bigger than Jaya. Otherwise..ignore it.
Interesting idea as it is, it just doesn't work.
That would have meant that the Eternal log they stole from mashira would have pointed to Upper yard instead of Jaya as well. To me it seems obvious that the upper yard and Jaya operate on 2 different magnetic fields, otherwise the logs would have keept switching between the two.
Upper Yard = Jaya
Upper Yard =/= SkypieaAre you sure about that? The 200 year old map they find on the ship that fell from the sky depicts the upper yard (as in the part of Jaya that shot into the sky) and calls it "skypia".
(Link for reference: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/219/08/ )
(PS sorry for beeing so late on the topic. haven't been able to load the apforums for like 2-3 weeks T_T )
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If we can say with certainty that the map from that time is accurate, then all seven paths do not lead to Fishman Island. For one thing, two sets of paths merge into each other. So, only five paths actually arrive at the Red Line. It is possible that there are other means of crossing the Red Line, other than going under it, since the five seperate paths are all shown emerging from the other side of the Red Line. This argues that all five paths do not go through Fishman Island, which has a unique magnetic field.
As for crossing the Red Line, that's tricky. It's been depicted as an incredibly tall mountain range, the summits of which are lost in the clouds. The cost of digging a canal through that much rock would be astronomical. It is possible that a naturally occurring sea cavern could exit through it but with the unusual currents of the Grand Line, that could prove an unreliable and deadly route.
Given their height and generally rocky appearance, it is unlikely that anyone lives on the Red Line. This would put a serious damper on the plan to cross it on foot and get a new boat on the other side.
Marejoia is a good alternative for legitimate vessels passing through the Grand Line, but if it takes as much as five years to be granted permission, it is certainly not expedient. I wonder how many pirates in One Piece are just smugglers?
At any rate, there are only five routes that wind up at the Red Line, and apparently only one of them passes through Fishman Island.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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New chapter brings up an interesting point. The red line only has one small opening where a ship can travel, and that's Fishman Island. So unless a crew goes there then a new pirate crew would have to leave their ship and climb up the Red Line in order to reach the new world. Just thought I'd bring this point up for this discussion.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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See, hahahah
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There's still the option of going over the top, through the Holy Land. Alas, it costs you a ship.
LOVE AND PEACE
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Well, there goes that theory. Oh well.
But, what about the other four routes depicted? If there are any passes through the Red Line besides the one through Marejoie wouldn't the World Government keep them guarded or, easier still, close them off? There are times I wish we could see what the other routes through the Grand Line are like
