They could always change it to where he gets wounded and gets left behind to heal.
As opposed to how Araki originally wrote it.
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The more I think about Part 6 the less I like it. Dio's sons were horrible enemies, a lot of the Stands were hit & miss, the lack of Giorno and Josuke for the initial universe's final fight (even though Araki confirmed Giorno was nearby), etc.
Part 5 had a lot of great fights and was in many ways trying to improve of SC's formule but it mainly suffered from having a bad main villian and boring lead as well as the typical Araki plotholes being a bit bigger than usual.
Imho:
7 > 4 = 2 > 3 > 5 >/=/< 6 (yeah, this changes a lot for me) > 1. If I were to rate Jojolion I'd put it somewhere under 3 and before 1.If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. - _Sun Tzu, The Art Of War
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Imho:
7 > 4 = 2 > 3 > 5 >/=/< 6 (yeah, this changes a lot for me) > 1. If I were to rate Jojolion I'd put it somewhere under 3 and before 1.5 is greater than or equal to or less than 6?
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Every part is great. Some more than others. Let that be the mantra of this thread.
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I watched the first episode of SC but it did not have the opening or ending…I looked it up in youtube but theres none there.
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Every part is great. Some more than others. Let that be the mantra of this thread.
I thought this was obvious.
5 is greater than or equal to or less than 6?
Yes, because it ALWAYS changes when I think about these two parts.
@Jedi:
I watched the first episode of SC but it did not have the opening or ending…I looked it up in youtube but theres none there.
There is no OP or ED in this episode and another friend of mine told me that there is a high chance of both being absent in the second episode as well.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. - _Sun Tzu, The Art Of War
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Saw the first episode of the stardust crusaders arc yesterday and I have to say that I'm very impressed with it, especially with the animation quality!
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Yes, because it ALWAYS changes when I think about these two parts.
I see. That makes sense.
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part 2 is by far the most over-rated part.
OFFICIAL OVER/UNDERRATED PART TIER LIST
highly overrated: 2
overrated: 4,3
rated exactly as they should be: 1,5,7
underrated: 6Sounds about right, but I think Steel Ball Run is rated exactly as it should be. If anything I think JoJolion is a bit underrated.
@Jedi:
I watched the first episode of SC but it did not have the opening or ending…I looked it up in youtube but theres none there.
They didn't use the OP/ED for this first episode. Hopefully we get to see them this week.
! I wonder if they're going to skip the whole "Avdol's dead oh wait he's fine" thing.
They probably won't for the sake of faithfulness. Though the anime does cover about 4-6 chapters per episode, so it probably won't seem like it's been too long before he returns.
Does anyone know how they handled it in the OVA? I haven't seen it.
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Does anyone know how they handled it in the OVA? I haven't seen it.
The OVA never animated that part, so they didn't have to deal with it.
! Though, during the scene where the group opens Dio's coffin, Dio put Avdol in the coffin and he was almost immediately later eaten up by Cream's void. It's a bit different from how he died in the manga.
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Abdul got gimped in the OVA.
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Lets talk about how perfect Steel Ball Run is.
Hidden:
This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~
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as well as the typical Araki plotholes being a bit bigger than usual.
You mean he has his own style of plotholes?!
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@NER:
Lets talk about how perfect Steel Ball Run is.
Except well you know:
! Pocoloco wins.
And speaking of the SBR universe I have 2 questions:! 1. Is Kars still floating frozen in space in this universe?
2. If Josuke/Kira is Jotaro does this means he is Irene's father? -
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Yes, but you lose all credibility by using the damn puffin.
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Battle Tendency is criminaly overrated but Steel Ball Run is rated exactly as it should be. And perfect. That's totally not biased at all.
Since we can all play this game, let's do this, shall we? BOTH part 2 AND 4 kick SBR's ass.
Don't get me wrong, I did like it, but to call it perfect when it has quite some questionable (and I'm being generous) writing decisions by Araki is at least debatable.
Plus in Part 7 there's no Nazi science. Nor Joseph in drag. Nor a Ben-Hur in steroids rendition. Not Speedwagon. Nor fucking flying piranhas nor murderous squirrels nor fucking TRAINING MONTAGES!
And. Valentine. Is. A. Fucking. Rapist. Pig.
BOOYA!
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Yes, but you lose all credibility by using the damn puffin.
Fixed. Why bother, right?
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Quality jojo parts in order
Highest-Lowest
Part 3
Part 7
Part 6
Part 2
Part 1
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I will play along.
@kouch_lee:And. Valentine. Is. A. Fucking. Rapist. Pig.
BOOYA!
At least Valentine is a villain… Stroheim is a mass murdering Nazi scum but we're supposed to overlook that and accept him on the hero squad just because his antics are amusing.
SO RIGHT BACK AT YA!
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I will play along.
At least Valentine is a villain… Stroheim is a mass murdering Nazi scum but we're supposed to overlook that and accept him on the hero squad just because his antics are amusing.
SO RIGHT BACK AT YA!
But he saw the light thanks to the power of friendship and science. The Science of Friendship, we call it. I'm sure there's a book with that name.
Is there any scientific fact explaining so many fans having such a hard boner for a fascist rapist scumbag?
BOOM SHAKA!
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I will play along.
At least Valentine is a villain… Stroheim is a mass murdering Nazi scum but we're supposed to overlook that and accept him on the hero squad just because his antics are amusing.
SO RIGHT BACK AT YA!
But that's all irrelevant when you realize that GERMAN TECHNOLOGYY WA SEKAAICHIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!
(and besides, isn't single-handed genocide of your own race just as bad as being a Nazi? I mean as long as Stroheim isn't as evil as Kars, there should be no problem in him being an ally…)
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Except well you know:
! Pocoloco wins.
Hey ya!
And speaking of the SBR universe I have 2 questions:
! 1. Is Kars still floating frozen in space in this universe?
2. If Josuke/Kira is Jotaro does this means he is Irene's father?! 1. No, he has crashed on Mars. Currently, there are 36 Cars on Mars.
2. No, all of them are from different universes.
@ShiChimera:Uhm… please tell me I'm not the only one.
There are seven billions people on Earth and you are the only one with the unique ability to enjoy more than a single character.
Of course.
BOOYA!
Battle Tendency is a charming relic of pulp fiction past, a celebration of macho fun where each and every secondary character, both friend and foe, are sacrificed on the bloody altar to honour the great protagonist god.
Diamond is not Crash is the closest thing to Araki's autobiography where it's setting becomes its own greatest adversary. And, most importantly, Josuke's hair looks fucking stupid.
Steel Ball Run is a supernatural road movie quest to obtain your personal Jesus for the sake of the napkin. It is crazy ambitious, so the risks and dangers are higher than ever and every misstep hurts so much more, but all of it is worth it at the sight of the end goal it has accomplished.
I love these silly comics, I swear.
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Battle Tendency is a charming relic of pulp fiction past, a celebration of macho fun where each and every secondary character, both friend and foe, are sacrificed on the bloody altar to honour the great protagonist god.
Diamond is not Crash is the closest thing to Araki's autobiography where it's setting becomes its own greatest adversary. And, most importantly, Josuke's hair looks fucking stupid.
Steel Ball Run is a supernatural road movie quest to obtain your personal Jesus for the sake of the napkin. It is crazy ambitious, so the risks and dangers are higher than ever and every misstep hurts so much more, but all of it is worth it at the sight of the end goal it has accomplished.
I love these silly comics, I swear.
Then Araki should've cut the Yisus chit-chat and instead create a magic napkin, and everyone fighting for it. And then reveal it is an ancient relic sent by the aliens.
And now, Jojolion's world would have a magical napkin buried somewhere in Morioh instead if Da Yisus. Which is a much more exciting concept, of course.
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Steel Ball Run will make you believe in America again.
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Quality jojo parts in order
Highest-Lowest
Part 3
Part 7
Part 6
Part 2
Part 1
Part 4
Part 5You can see how shit someones taste is by how low they rank part 4.
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It's kind of amusing how Araki unwillingly has America's most patriotic president use the corpse of JC to turn his country into a world superpower.
Then Araki should've cut the Yisus chit-chat and instead create a magic napkin, and everyone fighting for it. And then reveal it is an ancient relic sent by the aliens.
And now, Jojolion's world would have a magical napkin buried somewhere in Morioh instead if Da Yisus. Which is a much more exciting concept, of course.
Napkin is the holy ghost of this universe, it is evrywhere and thereforerequires nophysical incarnation.
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Is there any scientific fact explaining so many fans having such a hard boner for a fascist rapist scumbag?
BOOM SHAKA!
He's a villain, the more of a fucked up a dickbag he is, the better.
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It's kind of amusing how Araki unwillingly has America's most patriotic president use the corpse of JC to turn his country into a world superpower.
Napkin is the holy ghost of this universe, it is evrywhere and thereforerequires nophysical incarnation.
Are you implying it was Thy Napkin who impregnated Lucy?
@TLC:
He's a villain, the more of a fucked up a dickbag he is, the better.
People genuinely ADORE him, and there was that chapter were he was even made to look like a legit ruler and a benign president.
I just find that adoration to be quite hilarious considering, yeah, he's kind of the biggest dick in the universe.
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Are you implying it was Thy Napkin who impregnated Lucy?
Always leave room for the holy spirit
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Is there any scientific fact explaining so many fans having such a hard boner for a fascist rapist scumbag?
Here's your scientific fact
Also
Plus in Part 7 there's no Nazi science
There is, but, as testament to how out of it's depth it is in SBR, it gets bodied instantly and never mentioned again.
Nor Joseph in drag.
Hot Pants pulled off her gender diguise much better than Joseph ever did.
Nor a Ben-Hur in steroids rendition.
Why settle for a brief Ben-Hur rendition, when you you can have entire-Western-genre-on-substances rendition all the time ?
Not Speedwagon.
Yeah well we got Jesus.
Nor fucking flying piranhas nor murderous squirrels
Dude… listen dude...
...dinosaurs.
Bullet-timing matrix dinosaurs.
Were-dinosaurs.
Night of the Living Dinosaurs.
Dinosaur shrooms man... dinosaur shrooms.
Dinosaur coat hangers.
Diosaurus.
Look deep inside your heart and search for an answer.
Except the answer is dinosaurs.
nor fucking TRAINING MONTAGES!
Training montages are for sissies who can't go on without clinging to giant erect oiled up pillars. Real cowboys figure out GOLDEN RECTANGLES on the spot. It's a man's world out there, ya know.
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! 2. No, all of them are from different universes.
! Was it already confirmed that the universe Emporio landed isn't the same as SBR?
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Here's your scientific fact
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081109225702/jjba/images/a/a0/Funny_Valentine_2.jpgI don't see him wearing a thong. Or a loincloath. And he's not fabulously posing with a glorious sunrise behind him.
Cars 1 - Valentine 0.
Also
There is, but, as testament to how out of it's depth it is in SBR, it gets bodied instantly and never mentioned again.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121108020609/jjba/images/3/33/FVStroheim.pngTotally forgot that even happened. I'll concede that.
Hot Pants pulled off her gender diguise much better than Joseph ever did.
Them's fighting words, my good sir. I find this assessment to be rather offensive to Joseph's Sexy Tequila Lady impression. I demand a satisfaction!
Why settle for a brief Ben-Hur rendition, when you you can have entire-Western-genre-on-substances rendition all the time ?
I don't see giant demi-gods riding giant zombie horses waving gargantuan sized pillars around in a chariot race to the death in your western rendition.
Wham 2 - SBR 0
Yeah well we got Jesus.
Have you ever seen Jesus serenely skedaddling? Yeah, neither do I.
Speedwagon 3 - Yisus 0
Dude… listen dude...
...dinosaurs.
Bullet-timing matrix dinosaurs.
Were-dinosaurs.
Night of the Living Dinosaurs.
Dinosaur shrooms man... dinosaur shrooms.
Dinosaur coat hangers.
Diosaurus.
Look deep inside your heart and search for an answer.
Except the answer is dinosaurs.
Part 2 also had dinosaurs! Zombie dinosaurs! Demi-god dinosaurs! And Cars could turn into dinosaurs!
We just never saw because it's all in the extended version. It's still not comercialized in the west, but it's everywhere in Japan. Just ask Aohige if you don't believe me. . .
(I'll concede a point here cause dinos are awesome, and DinoDio's even more).
Part 2 Dinos 4 - Part 7 Dinos 1
Training montages are for sissies who can't go on without clinging to giant erect oiled up pillars. Real cowboys figure out GOLDEN RECTANGLES on the spot. It's a man's world out there, ya know.
Training montages are mandatory on any work of fiction that prides itself of being a "quality work".
I don't see Titanic having a training montage. And that movie is for sissies. Now, does Rocky have a training montage? Oh yeah, it does! And Bloodsport? It does, too! And Kickboxer? And Drunken Master? They all do, don't they?
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Quality jojo parts in order
Highest-Lowest
Part 3
Part 7
Part 6
Part 2
Part 1
Part 4
Part 5Part 6 over part 2 and 4??? YOU VILLAIN!!!!
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And he's not fabulously posing with a glorious sunrise behind him.
Bro…
No sunrise, but still…
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President Valentine is guided by altruism and the sheer power of his patriotic spirit.
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I don't see him wearing a thong. Or a loincloath.
He wears 'Murica
Them's fighting words, my good sir. I find this assessment to be rather offensive to Joseph's Sexy Tequila Lady impression. I demand a satisfaction!
The fact remains that it fooled no one, while Hot Pants managed to fool literally everyone, audience included.
Though I admit she had a unfair advantage in that everyone's somewhat androgenous in part 7 while Joseph can hardly contain his masculinity and I guess his Nazi impression was pretty spot on…so then, lets have it this way:
I require to see Joseph's Nun Impression.
Only then will I acknowledge him as Hot Pants' equal in this field!
I don't see giant demi-gods riding giant zombie horses waving gargantuan sized pillars around in a chariot race to the death in your western rendition.
Zombie horses can suck it
Have you ever seen Jesus serenely skedaddling? Yeah, neither do I.
Don't you remember that time when Jesus appeared in front of Blackmore and then serenely skedaddled away? Or that time when he skedaddled in and out to give Johny cryptic advice?
Part 2 also had dinosaurs! Zombie dinosaurs! Demi-god dinosaurs! And Cars could turn into dinosaurs!
We just never saw because it's all in the extended version. It's still not comercialized in the west, but it's everywhere in Japan. Just ask Aohige if you don't believe me. . .
He can only transform into something organic. He could probably figure out how to turn into a dinosaur shroom but can he transform into a dinosaur coat hanger? Can he transform others into dinosaurs?
Also in the extended edition, we find out that Funny Valentine can transform into a bald eagle. Infact, he likes to transform into a bald eagle and contemplate in front of an American flag in free time. Ya know, like James Earl Johns randomly transformed into a snake during orgy parties in Conan.
and sometimes when doing that, a single tear is shed
You don't even need to ask Aohige, as any patriotic American will confirm that Funny Valentine did indeed use to transform into a bold eagle to cry in front of an American flag.
Training montages are mandatory on any work of fiction that prides itself of being a "quality work".
At least one third of Bleach is training montages.
See there are these training arcs and when you look at it on the whole, it appears as a giant disjointed training montage.
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People genuinely ADORE him, and there was that chapter were he was even made to look like a legit ruler and a benign president.
I just find that adoration to be quite hilarious considering, yeah, he's kind of the biggest dick in the universe.
Because he's a great villain. Everyone loves him because he so fits his role well, no one actually respects the horrible things he does. I'm gonna get real a bit and give a treatise on villains.
Great villains are complex, multi-faceted, require more than a napkin for space to describe their character.
Valentine is a great villain because he's a fighting president who is motivated by patriotic motivations. He's also a control freak and likes to emotionally and physically torture people. He also can be a ruthless killer. All these tied together make a great villain.
Yoshikage Kira is a deranged psycopath who is determined to compartmentalize his obscene lifestyle into a daily routine like it's something normal and understandable and will do anything no matter how awful and no matter how much he has to sacrifice to preserve and maintain that life-style. Plus he has a bombing ability named after Queen.
Cars is an egotistical, vain demi-god obsessed with achieving a perfect state. He has an extreme ends justify the means mentality, loves to taunt and gloat and loves to look fabulous. Plus killer squirrels.
Pucci is motivated by his unfulfilled sexual desires for a man he idolized (one who happened to be a killer vampire). He also has a thing where he calms himself down by counting in prime numbers (sorry I can't remember more, it's been a while since I read part six).
Dio is fabulous, nuff said.
Diavolo sucks.
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President Valentine was inspired by Christopher Walken returning his father's napkin. He was tortured by Confederates, ate Jesus's heart, and does what no villain in Jojo has done before: diplomacy.
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@Cyan:
President Valentine was inspired by Christopher Walken returning his father's napkin. He was tortured by Confederates, ate Jesus's heart, and does what no villain in Jojo has done before: diplomacy.
It's funny because in the light novel "Over Heaven", Dio considers a truce with the Joestars, but then he remembers that even if Holly were to be freed from her stand, they'd probably want him dead anyway.
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@Cyan:
President Valentine was inspired by Christopher Walken returning his father's napkin. He was tortured by Confederates, ate Jesus's heart, and does what no villain in Jojo has done before: diplomacy.
I thought Araki went on the record saying he was inspired from Bill Pullman from Independence Day.
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@Purple:
It's funny because in the light novel "Over Heaven", Dio considers a truce with the Joestars, but then he remembers that even if Holly were to be freed from her stand, they'd probably want him dead anyway.
Having learned that, Dio is now significantly less fabulous in my eyes.
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Okay these two last pages have been glorious.
With that said here comes part 4.
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Please, stop putting SBR against Battle Tendency. Both are the best parts of JoJo, made of pure love mixed with golden perfection, it hurts to see them figthing each other.
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Having learned that, Dio is now significantly less fabulous in my eyes.
Why, for contemplating an intelligent stratagem that would allow him to conquer the world without the hindrance of the Joestars? Dio's not dumb, remember. He's probably the smartest villain in the entire Jojo Universe (along with Yoshikage Kira maybe? And Cars due to Invincible hax. Then again Kira is a psychopath…).
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Why, for contemplating an intelligent stratagem that would allow him to conquer the world without the hindrance of the Joestars? Dio's not dumb, remember. He's probably the smartest villain in the entire Jojo Universe (along with Yoshikage Kira maybe? And Cars due to Invincible hax. Then again Kira is a psychopath…).
Dio is just so fabulously evil. The idea that he doesn't spent his wakening moments thinking of ways to make everything worst for not-him kind of detracts that a little.
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@TLC:
I thought Araki went on the record saying he was inspired from Bill Pullman from Independence Day.
No, in President Valentine's backstory, Christopher Walken literally inspires him.
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