It's ironic that the only way Kishi can reintroduce the side-characters is to clumsily re-inject some drama and conflict by bringing back their lost love ones. Talk about pathetic lazy writing. This chapter is definitely White Heart for me.
Naruto Thread IV
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Is it just me, or was this war just suddenly awkwardly jammed into the story?
But hey, Naruto is showing signs of ending, that can't be bad.It was "foreshadowed" when Madara just popped up at the Hokage meeting and said "Hey Guys!Let's have a war!!!". In OP the war was an attempt by the marines to remove two of their greatest threats- WB pirates and Ace -in one go. It needed to be a war, because they needed to kill thousands of people.
In Naruto? Well, Madara wants to capture the remaining two Bijuus, so he figures the best course of action is making the entire world go on high alert, fortify his targets, and send an army at him…instead of Just sending a chakra draining Zetsu clone posing as someone else to capture them stealthily. -
I hope Lee will finally beat someone during this war.
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Oh and how come they have that Immortal guy coming out of casket? don't those caskets work by like having to have at least one part of the former body to make them? that immortal is still buried in the ground ALIVE, why is he being brought back from the dead if he is ALIVE?
The person you tried to refer to is Hidan, who is still alive like you said.
but the "immortal guy" in your argument is Kakuzu, who is already dead.
Edo Tensei is the technique which can summon the soul of the dead into the corpse you prepared. You don't need any part of the former body you want to summon.
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Goddamn me and my big mouth.
boobs.
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@The:
It was "foreshadowed" when Madara just popped up at the Hokage meeting and said "Hey Guys!Let's have a war!!!". In OP the war was an attempt by the marines to remove two of their greatest threats- WB pirates and Ace -in one go. It needed to be a war, because they eeded to kill thousands of people.
In Naruto? Well, Madara wants to capture the remaining two Bijuus, so he figures the best course of action is making the entire world go on high alert, fortify his targets, and send an army at him…instead of Just sending a chakra draining Zetsu clone posing as someone else to capture them stealthily.the war was going to happen even if madara stealthily captured bee and naruto, the five great nations wouldn't just sit down and just let madara turn the moon into a giant hax sharingan and control them all and besides oda had a war and kubo's had two kishi was bound to do it sooner or later.
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the war was going to happen even if madara stealthily captured bee and naruto, the five great nations wouldn't just sit down and just let madara turn the moon into a giant hax sharingan and control them all and besides oda had a war and kubo's had two kishi was bound to do it sooner or later.
People keep saying Bleach had two wars, what was the first one? I don't remember it.
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SS versus 4 annoying teeneagers and later, itself.
the war was going to happen even if madara stealthily captured bee and naruto, the five great nations wouldn't just sit down and just let madara turn the moon into a giant hax sharingan and control them all.
Thats assumptions based, again, on Madaras plan reveal/war declaration. Hardly foreshadowing. Besides, if Madara did suceed in his plan, a worldunder the sharinghax wouldn't be able to fight him. And even if they did, he'd have the power of the Mewten on his side.
BTW, anyone remember what Kabutos motivation for fighting this war is?
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@The:
SS versus 4 annoying teeneagers and later, itself.
Thats assumptions based, again, on Madaras plan reveal/war declaration. Hardly foreshadowing. Besides, if Madara did suceed in his plan, a worldunder the sharinghax wouldn't be able to fight him. And even if they did, he'd have the power of the Mewten on his side.
BTW, anyone remember what Kabutos motivation for fighting this war is?
The five kages had a metting and an alliance was already in the works before madara made his declaration of war. Kabuto is in the war to get his homo hands on sasuke.
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unless this battle takes 10 years, don't expect anything more than the battles we saw in one piece. there are 3 ways this battle can go
1. the bleach way, takes 10 years to show all one on one fights
2. the naruto way, have everyone get taken out super quick and watch naruto beat all the bad guys while rest watch.
3. the one piece way, barely hint and show each persons fight while making it seem like a chaotic war, while concentrating on the main character.though 3 is kind of impossible since Naruto is NOT THERE.
It will be the second option for sure, because the fact that Naruto is NOT THERE is the exact setup of every fight in this story.
Naruto's not there -> weaker guys take out the fodder and less beast opponents -> weaker guys get all dirty and scratched up, and yell "Where's Naruto!?!?" while panting on the ground with a broken leg -> Naruto arrives, takes out the bad guys while everyone watches.
EDIT: Lmao, Narutossss's sig. That IS awkward!
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EDIT: Lmao, Narutossss's sig. That IS awkward!
Your sig, on the other hand, is incredible spoilery.
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@Sea:
Your sig, on the other hand, is incredible spoilery.
Yeah. I was just thinking about that. goes off to edit
There we go. Now I can continue with my colouring funness.
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I cant believe how stupid this whole 'war' is -.-.
Seriosly one lunatic appears in Kage summit and declares war to everyone. Alone. Suddenly there is 80 000 ninjas f*ckin serious about it and happily standing united like a one big family completely ignoring all wars they had.
I cant but help to feel that Kishimoto pulled this 'war' out of his ass to have epic confrontation like Oda had in Whitebeard arc. Its just too bad its so retarded… one guy and hes tree buddy declares war against all ninja countrys who took it dead serious.
But then Kishi notices that he does not have any bad guys left so...afterall all 5 kages and their 80 000 minions against 2-3 guys would be pretty pathetic war so he recycles every villain in the series to have some fodder who ninjas can shine against.
WHY did Madara actually declared to war? would it not be more benefical to him if all ninja villages would be disunited and unsuspecting at this point?
What happens all the tensions between countrys? Didnt Naruto suppose to bring peace but way I look for it they seem to be happy like a one big family under one badge...
HOW THE HELL can 80 000 ninjas get super serious against 3 guys? Its not like Kages knew about 100 000 naked Zetsu clones or Kabuto's whim to join forces with Madara and bring his asspull resurrection no jutsu with him...
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Kishimoto … you better not screw this up.
I don't like the zombies - it's not creative - but I can live with it.And I really hope there'll be some action with the side characters ... hoping for Shikamaru vs. zombie Asuma ...
Go with Orange Naruto Asthma Attack, it's not the worst chapter we've read so far but not the best. The war could turn out awesome but it could epic fail as well (which I highly think since Kishimoto is a bad writer)
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I cant but help to feel that Kishimoto pulled this 'war' out of his ass to have epic confrontation like Oda had in Whitebeard arc.
Is it too hard to write Kishimoto critique without compairing him directly to Oda or something?
HOW THE HELL can 80 000 ninjas get super serious against 3 guys? Its not like Kages knew about 100 000 naked Zetsu clones or Kabuto's whim to join forces with Madara and bring his asspull resurrection no jutsu with him…
Madara had 7 out of 9 beasts - which by the Naruto world standards equal to moving nukes. Something to worry about, eh, Tychus.
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Is it too hard to write Kishimoto critique without compairing him directly to Oda or something?
Don't you know that Naruto and One Piece are the only two manga/forms of literature in the world.
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@Cyan:
Don't you know that Naruto and One Piece are the only two manga/forms of literature in the world.
Ok, now I understand why some people think One Piece is the best story ever created.
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Hum…
Colour me actually interested in this coming arc.
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i don't really care how retarded mandara is by declaring war when his goal would have been easier if he didn't or the fact that Kishi is doing the war because Oda and Kubo did it or that he brought back all old villains as long as the side characters do something and dont become fodder i'm happy
i actually like how he did the devisions and there leaders and continuing to keep naruto Next to Bee makes his scenes bearable -
Oh thank you Kishi, with this you killed Haku and Zabuza.
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I cant believe how stupid this whole 'war' is -.-.
Seriosly one lunatic appears in Kage summit and declares war to everyone. Alone.
Suddenly there is 80 000 ninjas f*ckin serious about it and happily standing united like a one big family completely ignoring all wars they had.
I cant but help to feel that Kishimoto pulled this 'war' out of his ass to have epic confrontation like Oda had in Whitebeard arc. Its just too bad its so retarded… one guy and hes tree buddy declares war against all ninja countrys who took it dead serious.
But then Kishi notices that he does not have any bad guys left so...afterall all 5 kages and their 80 000 minions against 2-3 guys would be pretty pathetic war so he recycles every villain in the series to have some fodder who ninjas can shine against.
WHY did Madara actually declared to war? would it not be more benefical to him if all ninja villages would be disunited and unsuspecting at this point?
What happens all the tensions between countrys? Didnt Naruto suppose to bring peace but way I look for it they seem to be happy like a one big family under one badge...
HOW THE HELL can 80 000 ninjas get super serious against 3 guys? Its not like Kages knew about 100 000 naked Zetsu clones or Kabuto's whim to join forces with Madara and bring his asspull resurrection no jutsu with him...
LOL my thoughts exactly.
Instead of hunting and capturing easily the two remaining beasts while the kages have conflict of interest. Madara literally unites his enemy and Kishi tries to make him look smart.
Obviously, there was absolutely no point to Sasuke vs Deidara, or the fights against Hidan and Kakuzu.
In One Piece, the reason for declaring a war was pretty obvious for both sides. Oda did not kill his best characters.
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Nearly all will be fodder, the worst way to disrespect the good characters who already died. It's Kishi style. I mean, consider even Kisame is fair game, and he only died a few chapters ago.
The only characters off limits are the Fourth, First, Second and Third Hokage.
Here's some food for thought though - Chiyo will probably be hot. The Edo Tensei summons bring back the dead in the prime of their life, so there's no way old woman Chiyo is going to get summoned back.
none of these zombies are fodder now it's just how he handles the battle, does he have one on one fights team fights how long will they be, who will get to fight all these factors will probably become clear with the first real battle (not zetsu battles), like many have said this chapter could be a good one or bad, bad if he just uses the zombies to buff up naruto and sasuke, and good if he gives many of the support characters good one on one fights, I'd like to see it handled more like the one piece war than the bleach war, you know skipping around to other battles not just focusing on one point for a long time than another one, and then another and so on, but unfortunately I don't think kishi will do that
I think battles could be interesting too, if he set up good ones like neji vs his dad or garaa vs his,
we know onoki will fight deidera, raikage vs raikage I'm guessing, mizukage vs mizukage/3 tails
all sorts of shit…
Zabuza vs Rock Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or nagato just to show he's kage level strong and make it so there was a reason he wasn't there when pain attacked
he hasn't put the talisman in her head yet, but he'll probably forget anyways
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Will we be able to see Naruto IN A FUCKING NINJA UNIFORM:CRAZY!!
Nothig orange or red. Black or grey or green maybe??
I swear the last panel where Naruto is stacking blocks is so funny http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/92329668/9. He looks so special.
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gabzilla brought up an interesting point. Does the absence of a Jiraiya zombie confirm he's still alive….and will probably be the real hero of this war.
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if kabuto had all thsoe edo tensei guys, why couldnt he just use all of them to get naruto and killer bee a couple of chapters back???
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gabzilla brought up an interesting point. Does the absence of a Jiraiya zombie confirm he's still alive….and will probably be the real hero of this war.
It means if Jiraiya is brought back, the Pain arc would lose most of it's tension…but I would also get my favorite character from this series back.
So kind of a mixed bag.
If he is alive, I seriously wonder why he would hide himself for this long.
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He sprained his ankle, obviously.
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@The:
It was "foreshadowed" when Madara just popped up at the Hokage meeting and said "Hey Guys!Let's have a war!!!". In OP the war was an attempt by the marines to remove two of their greatest threats- WB pirates and Ace -in one go. It needed to be a war, because they needed to kill thousands of people.
In Naruto? Well, Madara wants to capture the remaining two Bijuus, so he figures the best course of action is making the entire world go on high alert, fortify his targets, and send an army at him…instead of Just sending a chakra draining Zetsu clone posing as someone else to capture them stealthily.Granted, if the Nine-Tails and Eight-Tails had the overpowering presence tailed beasts were portrayed as having early in the story, Madara would be completely justified in using an army.
I mean fudge, Orochimaru needed as such just to isolate the Third Hokage, who was old and weakened and yet almost beat Orochimaru.
But Madara is far more powerful than Orochimaru, and its implied he's even far stronger than Kabuto + his zombie summons, including Nagato. Despite being "weakened".
Bee had to go into full Eight-Tails mode to bash equally with Sasuke, and Sasuke's going to be inferior to Rinnegan wearing Madara. It's overdramatic overkill.
none of these zombies are fodder now it's just how he handles the battle, does he have one on one fights team fights how long will they be, who will get to fight all these factors will probably become clear with the first real battle (not zetsu battles), like many have said this chapter could be a good one or bad, bad if he just uses the zombies to buff up naruto and sasuke, and good if he gives many of the support characters good one on one fights, I'd like to see it handled more like the one piece war than the bleach war, you know skipping around to other battles not just focusing on one point for a long time than another one, and then another and so on, but unfortunately I don't think kishi will do that
They will be fodder.
Kishimoto doesn't have the talent to balance the cast chemistry of all of the series antagonists brought back to life, coping with their new existence and how it'll affect the main cast.
Zabuza vs. Kakashi rematch…says what? Zabuza isn't any more powerful than when he died, doesn't have his sword, and Kakashi is far stronger and has beaten Zabuza before. Kakashi was no-nonsense to Zabuza the first time they met, it's not going to be some kind of confused emotional battle like with the Third Hokage.
As far as characters go, the story has already said everything it had to about almost all those characters. Except Hanzou, who we've never seen fight before.
And we've got ten-twenty characters like this, it'll all be glossed over. Kishimoto had some promise when he resurrected Deidara, and Deidara's return has been probably the least-bad move as far as resurrections go, and I can't imagine him treating all the other summons as Deidara. Afterall, Deidara has some unfinished business he's unaware of (Sasuke didn't die), everyone else was done.
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It's even more stupid when you remember that Zetsu!Kisame was able to take out Bee. And that he had 3 years to attempt and capture Naruto, before his sudden last 3 mega powerups.
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Kabuto had no good reason to retreat with all that damn man power I agree Luph. hKishi has killed off all the greats so there's no one that could have made him truly retreat as long as he had that technique. Instead of running away from jounin level people and he was supposedly jounin level way back in the day.
Only people that it would make sense to run away from.
Itachi: He's itachi run.
The Third: he stopped oro when he was using the same technique it would make since to run away from the man who was called the strongest kage at that time (or so I heard).
Orochimaru: The thirds favorite student fucking run.
Jiriya: it's the fucking toad sage run.
Tsunade: fucking run.(she's still alive though she gets no fights)
Kakashi's dad: fucking run.
Other than that if kabuto had any balls or was anything like the real oro he would have killed everyone on that island and took the jinchuriki and vanished Unless one of the for-mentioned people stopped him.
Though the chapter was pretty good for a naruto chapter. Though i don't understand why they have some one with the byukugan in the midrange division.
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Bee had to go into full Eight-Tails mode to bash equally with Sasuke, and Sasuke's going to be inferior to Rinnegan wearing Madara. It's overdramatic overkill.
This i disagree with. It seemed that whole fight that Bee was playing with Sasuke. I feel like that was cemented when it's revealed that Bee actually got away and had sasuke capture a fake. It takes a lot of skill to win a fight but it takes a lot more skill to purposely lose a fight against someone who is trying to kill you and still survive.
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I rly like to see now that War starting because..maybe..just MAYBE we finally see more of Shino,Shikamaru etc..
I rly wish we see them more in action.Well, won
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Who are the "famous ninjas" there are at least two that I don't recognize.
There's hanzo, chiyo, zabuza, haku, asuma. Who are the rest?I see Neji's dad, that bone guy Greg made a bet on, and some dude that looks like Axel.
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There is Tsunade's boyfriend.
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Who? Axel wanabee?
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Who? Axel wanabee?
No, Tsunade's boyfriend is the generic bishonen # 3714 next to Asuma and Neji's Dad.
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Who's the guy with Kenpachi's haircut near Zabuza & Haku?
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Woulda been funny if there was a zombie pandaman in there somewhere, to take a desperate stab at Oda.
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The only way this war will be good is if ten ten and kiba are showcased more. Dammit Kishi showcase your minor characters more.
It looks like the kages have realized that they can't hide there jinchuriki(duuuuuuuuurrr)they should have listened to tsunade and the old dude in the first place. Anyone think it's possible Naruto can become a division commander. I know theres no reasonable way a genin can do this but dammit he wants to be hokage and has no experience in leading.
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I hope Tenten does something finally….......
"looks at her team again"
......ahhhhh forget it, damm you KIshi.
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So, Matchup Time!
Tsunade vs Dan the Ninja
Zabuza vs Shotakon Bodyguard of Mizukage
Haku vs Suigetsu
Neji's dad vs Neji
Hanzo vs … Konan...
Kinmimaru vs Jugo
Chiyo vs Sakura
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Zombie Sasori will fight Kankuro's Puppet Sasori.
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So, Matchup Time!
Tsunade vs Dan the Ninja
Zabuza vs Shotakon Bodyguard of Mizukage
Haku vs Suigetsu
Neji's dad vs Neji
Hanzo vs … Konan...
Kinmimaru vs Jugo
Chiyo vs Sakura
Asuma vs Shikamaru
Axel Wanabee vs Ten TenPlus an entire arc dedicated to Raikage vs. B.B. Kage/Kage Waters/Son Kage.
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@Cyan:
Plus an entire arc dedicated to Raikage vs. B.B. Kage/Kage Waters/Son Kage.
Perhaps Chiyo vs. Sakura
Asuma vs. Shikamaru or his other students or all three
Oh and we can't forget, Blind Itachi vs. Kakashi