I don't know if i had to write this somwewhere else….
watching tha anime i've found an hint for Do Flamingo Akuma no mi power:
Himo Himo no Mi (Himo = String)
don't you think he seems to be like a puppetmaster? that's why string....
What do you peope think about it?
Errr, I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge. =P
common knowledge… that he is suspected of haveing that fruit or what?
As far as I know his fruit has not been confirmed yet.
(which is why some of us can keep speculateing that he really has the spider zoan fruit 
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I am for the spider zoan fruit just as much as I am for the locking of this thread
We have an SBK thread for a reason folks…
I can't really see any of the Shichibukai being Zoans honestly.
@Mr.:
I can't really see any of the Shichibukai being Zoans honestly.
And that is one of the main reasons I want it to happen. Zoans are shit. This is a FACT. So I would love to see a character take one and develop it beyond what we typically see as a Zoan.
Hell, Chessmario looked down on Zoans, and fuck him
Zoans ain't shit. They're awesome. Look at Chopper and CP9. I do admit, the spider zoan idea would be very interesting though.
And yeah, fuck Chessmarimo.
@Mr.:
Zoans ain't shit. They're awesome. Look at Chopper and CP9.
Chopper's three forms are crap. his strongest form is that of a human. Without his rumble ball he's nothing.
And CP9 was only good becuase of their training. Their DFs certainly augmented their already SUPERHUMAN abilities, but that was more due to their MAGIC powers received through training than their MAGIC powers from eating a fruit.
True, I'd say Zoans are more meant for people who can already hold their own in a fight. They simply add on to that. I wouldn't say they're shit though, I still think they're pretty badass though.
The main reason I can't really see a Shichibukai being a Zoan type, is because it might conflict with the animal theme they already have. But hey, it would be cool to see one.
@Mr.:
Zoans ain't shit. They're awesome. Look at Chopper and CP9. I do admit, the spider zoan idea would be very interesting though.
Two of three CP9 zoans were completely wasted. If you exchange Rucchi´s and Jabra´s abilities they would have used the absolutely same moves. There was nothing unique in their fighting style that is based on their DF.
Rucchi´s "Hyobi" (leopard tail) move was actually a Rankyaku variation, which means it was a kick with his leg, which means he could have performed the same thing if he was a wolf zoan. Jabra´s Lupus Four was also a Rankyaku variation, only that it was shaped like a wolf. Seeing that Rucchi could do a bird shaped Rankyaku, those variations are not dependand on the zoan type. Practically all they did were unique Rokushiki moves. They were cool and all but they could have performed them in human form too.
It´s actually ironic that of wolf, leopard and giraffe the latter was the best in terms of fleshing out the zoan ability. Bigan, Kilimanjaro and Anamedachi and even that silly Shikaku thing were all moves that could only be performed because of Kaku´s DF. Cool or uncool doesn´t matter here, he at least didn´t waste potential. What is even more ironic is that he had the least experience with his ability of the three.
So when it comes down to it, I personally find the CP9 Zoans disappointing. Those that looked cool didn´t serve any other purpose then adding the DBZ "if you power up, I´ll power up too" concept to OP. However that only counts for Rucchi. Jabra directly went beastman mode without ever busting a sweat as a human which is very disappointing for my taste.
You should have given props to Pasta Machine, Ivotas. :ninja:
Well I didn´t give props to it as a fighting skill, I gave props to it as a unique Zoan based move.^^
Is that what you meant by Shikaku?
No, Shikaku was when he changed into square shape. Pasta Machine is not really an attack move, it´s just the usage of his limbs that allows hims to use Kilimanjaro for instance. Kirin Houda was actually what he used for Kilimanjaro, then he wanted to create another move with using his limbs that way which lead to Pasta Machine. However since he couldn´t think of anything else he used Kilimanjaro again.
Besides those I mentioned so far, Kamakirin and Nejihakujin are also moves he could only use as a giraffe zoan. Not to sure about the four swords style with four legs. True, as a human he doesn´t have four legs but still he was a four sword style fighter. Anyways, in temrs of usage of his DF ability he outclasses Rucchi and Jabra by far, which was my actual point.
Right on all accounts, thanks.
I don't think Zoans are crap at all. Actually, they seem to be very interesting and I'd like to see them further developed. But the spider zoan fruit, nah, I wouldn't like that.
Let's discuss some Zoans more. You wouldn't care would you FLAMINGO?
Flamingo Flamingo No Mi. Oh yeah.
Huge Thanks to FrankyIsFeelingSupah for his help with everything
First off, zoans are pretty good. The CP9 at least showed us that it's a quick ticket to super strength, like steriods or something. Without their respective "power ups," the top three CP9 were just a little stronger then the top three SHs. Of course, they get lost in a world with so much super strength already.
Back to Donflamingo, I don't think he had the string fruit. I think h has the "marionette fruit," which would give him the same powers, but I think he could also use it to break his body apart similar to buggy, but with stringer between the pieces. Speculation yes, but I think it's possible about Perona literally having the "ghost fruit."
Hey, what if Buggy and Donflamingo cross paths for some reason?
You guys are missing an important part of his power: Oda never does the obvious thing. Remember Kuma? We all though that he had the teleport fruit. (Well, some of you thought that. I remembered this point) And Robin? Absalom? All of their fruits were hinted at with odd things. Absalom had invisablie bazookas: this spawned people believing he had a "Breath" Logia. Robin's power wasn't shown clearly until she "killed" Vivi.
So whatever the obvious choice is: it isn't.
In fact the only "obvious" fruits were Absalom and Moria
I completely agree with Ivotas. Zoans are definitely the least developed of the DF, and I guess it sort of goes with the actually concept of the fruit itself. It's supposedly an animal- <something>theme. You get 3 forms, animal, half form, and whatever the original <something>is. Compared to most other fruits, the possibilities are already limited here. With most other fruits it seems that you can expand them to your imagination's limits. Perhaps this is true for Zoans as well. However, thus far in the story, like Ivotas has pointed out, Kaku has been the only one to show some real development outside of the usual combination of the forms. Even chopper fails in this area, because he just created more combinations.
As far DoFlamingo, I doubt he'll have a "seperation"-esque type fruit. First off, it's just too similar to Buggy, and Second, it'd be too easy to guess by him controlling people.</something></something>
This may be because I'm an utter gayboi, but I don't want 'Flammy' to have a DF. I think to many of the SBK's have DF, though it was important for Luffy to face and defeat Logia Crocodile, and Thriller Bark would be utter box w/o Moria's ability, Kuma's gonna be hard work with his Paw Paw insanity, and Blackbeard has become even more of a threat to Luffy getting the One Piece because of his darkness logia, I think it'd be far better if Doflamingo is just a master of hypnosis, and mind control, and human puppetry rather than a DF puppeteer, because then he'd be a better villian, if the SH ever face him.
But I think somebody else might take him out, 50/50, Luffy did own Bellamy's ass, so their stories are tied together, but it's about time for someone else to fuck up a SBK, Kaidou's the only other to have fucked about, and we're not sure if ol' Moria was a Shibi then.
Lucci somewhat showed a different combination, with that "Life Return" move. Although, he proably could have learned that without the DF.
Ivotas makes a good point though. So far, it seems as if Zoans are the least developed of the three types at the moment.
Didn't that seppoku guy use life return to control his hair? or atleast after he managed to eat his way out of the fridge.
(sorry i never recall his name)
Seems to me that skill is not tied to DFs at all.
I'm also assumeing that is what Kaku used (somehow) to use pasta machine and perfect square.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
^That could be true. It could have been an ability he knew before the DF.
Yep, Kumadori used Life Return also. It doesn´t strike as anything DF related.
I'm also assumeing that is what Kaku used (somehow) to use pasta machine and perfect square.
Kaku used those moves because he was a square giraffe and, for some reason, didn't follow normal giraffe anatomy, as Zoro pointed out.
And Life Return just lets you control your body and its functions. Nothing about DFs, although Lucci did use it with his hybrid mode to make himself smaller, but I don't think that counts as DF manipulation.
So all agreed? Zoan = teh suck?
I still like them. Everyone has a right to their opinion though.
We're getting off topic…
This may be because I'm an utter gayboi, but I don't want 'Flammy' to have a DF. I think to many of the SBK's have DF, though it was important for Luffy to face and defeat Logia Crocodile, and Thriller Bark would be utter box w/o Moria's ability, Kuma's gonna be hard work with his Paw Paw insanity, and Blackbeard has become even more of a threat to Luffy getting the One Piece because of his darkness logia, I think it'd be far better if Doflamingo is just a master of hypnosis, and mind control, and human puppetry rather than a DF puppeteer, because then he'd be a better villian, if the SH ever face him.
But I think somebody else might take him out, 50/50, Luffy did own Bellamy's ass, so their stories are tied together, but it's about time for someone else to fuck up a SBK, Kaidou's the only other to have fucked about, and we're not sure if ol' Moria was a Shibi then.
lol how can Flamingo not have a DF? He has the ability to control people, if that doesn't have DF written all over it I'm not sure what does. Though I do agree it'd be cool if a few other of the Shichibukai didn't have DF's and instead natural abilities or talents, but there aren't that many areas for them to be proficient in to be honest. There's only a few (that I can think of right now) like swordfighting which is already taken.
I still say he's a spider Zoan.
He has the traits of a Spider…
At least for what we have seen so far...
That or the Sound Fruit (Flamingo-Flamenco) could also work.
lol how can Flamingo not have a DF? He has the ability to control people, if that doesn't have DF written all over it I'm not sure what does. Though I do agree it'd be cool if a few other of the Shichibukai didn't have DF's and instead natural abilities or talents, but there aren't that many areas for them to be proficient in to be honest. There's only a few (that I can think of right now) like swordfighting which is already taken.
Well, there's Jimbei. He will likely not have a DF.
Hmm yeah maybe, since we haven't seen him yet I'm intrigued as to what he'll be like.
he's got no DF he's just an amazing puppet master and the only one to beat him will be Robin.
man I could have sworn that this thread was here a long time ago. :S
lol how can Flamingo not have a DF? He has the ability to control people, if that doesn't have DF written all over it I'm not sure what does.
Calling Miss Goldenweek, Miss Goldenweek can you pick up the phone?
Well, I think someone said Oda made a list of Who ate a Devil fruit, so perhaps what ate the devil fruit was the brush of Ms.Goldenweeks….
Maybe Dough Flamingo is a Pasafist Cyborg and controls people with Magnetic Fingertips
@Lobster:
Maybe Dough Flamingo is a Pasafist Cyborg and controls people with Magnetic Fingertips
Lobster, stop making things up. There are no cyborgs in One Piece…
its sure that the zoan-Dfs are the weakest but in some case like a spider-DF where the animal has so unique techniques (producing silk)that their is more than just the 3 forms in which you can move…
and using silk like a puppetmaster would be awesome like the gears of luffy
I think Zoan fruits have a lot of unexplored potential that I hope they top into in the future.
As for Don, Oda has been known to throw us surprises, so I will reserve guessing until we get some more information.
lol how can Flamingo not have a DF? He has the ability to control people, if that doesn't have DF written all over it I'm not sure what does. Though I do agree it'd be cool if a few other of the Shichibukai didn't have DF's and instead natural abilities or talents, but there aren't that many areas for them to be proficient in to be honest. There's only a few (that I can think of right now) like swordfighting which is already taken.
Colors Trap? No DF involved, but still powerful.
Doflamingo could still be a mega hypnotist (unlikely I know), and I'd prefer it that way. However it does seems unlikely I know.
I don't want Jimbei to have a DF, just be a real strong fishman, making Arlong look like a fucking cod in comparison.
EDIT: I don't think Luffy would have an interesting fight with Do Flamingo, because, he could just pull an Enel on him, and switch off his conscieous mind, I now Oda wouldn't repeat himself in such a way but I think some other GL reaper could own his feathery pink ass. (I'm feeling Buggy, or Kuro if you're feeling real alternative.)
Colors Trap? No DF involved, but still powerful.
Doflamingo could still be a mega hypnotist (unlikely I know), and I'd prefer it that way. However it does seems unlikely I know.
He can't be a hypnotist because his victims are consciously aware of their actions and are unable to fight it.
Suji Suji no Mi is the most logical, and I doubt he's a Pacifista (unless ALL of the Shichibukai are, minus Crocodile). Mihawk being a Cyborg would explain a lot…
DoFlamingos name itself screams DF. I mean the capital letters in his name is D and F….
=P
Doflamingo could still be a mega hypnotist (unlikely I know), and I'd prefer it that way. However it does seems unlikely I know.
I've thought this too, but there is a big issue in this being that his victims have expressed displeasure in the activity. Typically when hypnotized, the brain is turned off and are only given towards those activities that they are commanded to do.
So Sarquiss and Bellamy screaming protests seems to refute this, other wise fine, theory.
edit:
@Fire Fist:
He can't be a hypnotist because his victims are consciously aware of their actions and are unable to fight it.
goddam it FFA. Stop stealing all my ideas, going back in time and phrasing them better
DoFlamigo has some weird abilities, but I dont think hes a zoan, a Flamingo with a spider zoan, anybody else think that is the dumbest thing ever?
No sorry… I'm still haveing problems with kuma beeing a "meatball man". (yeah I know it's just shitty translation... but it's still worse =P)
^I know. I wasn't even sure who they were refering to when they said that. XD
DoFlamigo has some weird abilities, but I dont think hes a zoan, a Flamingo with a spider zoan, anybody else think that is the dumbest thing ever?
Hm, Doflamingo as a giant spider…
Yeah, it's stupid.
lol why can't he just stay a puppeteer.
A puppeteer using music is a puppeteer with style.
I am for the spider zoan fruit just as much as I am for the locking of this thread
We have an SBK thread for a reason folks…
I don't think there are any insect or bug fruit, zoan's are only animal devil fruits!
Zoan's allows the user to transform into a animal. This fruit provides three forms: the user's natural form, a full animal form, and a hybrid form, combining both original and animal form!
Two of three CP9 zoans were completely wasted. If you exchange Rucchi´s and Jabra´s abilities they would have used the absolutely same moves. There was nothing unique in their fighting style that is based on their DF.
Rucchi´s "Hyobi" (leopard tail) move was actually a Rankyaku variation, which means it was a kick with his leg, which means he could have performed the same thing if he was a wolf zoan. Jabra´s Lupus Four was also a Rankyaku variation, only that it was shaped like a wolf. Seeing that Rucchi could do a bird shaped Rankyaku, those variations are not dependand on the zoan type. Practically all they did were unique Rokushiki moves. They were cool and all but they could have performed them in human form too.
It´s actually ironic that of wolf, leopard and giraffe the latter was the best in terms of fleshing out the zoan ability. Bigan, Kilimanjaro and Anamedachi and even that silly Shikaku thing were all moves that could only be performed because of Kaku´s DF. Cool or uncool doesn´t matter here, he at least didn´t waste potential. What is even more ironic is that he had the least experience with his ability of the three.
So when it comes down to it, I personally find the CP9 Zoans disappointing. Those that looked cool didn´t serve any other purpose then adding the DBZ "if you power up, I´ll power up too" concept to OP. However that only counts for Rucchi. Jabra directly went beastman mode without ever busting a sweat as a human which is very disappointing for my taste.
Well, I didn't read the whole thing, but well, they needed those devil fruits to do the moves they needed to do, Lucchi needed his devil fruit to over power Luffy though-out their fight, same goes for the others, if they didn't need them, then why transform into them, the zoans helps increase their power, speed and strength, so they were not a waste at all!
OH, and I think Do Flamingo has like the puppet puppet fruit!
