Eyeshield 21 Discussion

Tokoro Ataru

Hakushuu as an opponent was sort of building at least since selection day but somehow they could have prepared for this game better. As it stands, the key for Deimon to win this game is "Sena must run past Gaoh and Marco and just get touchdowns while the line holds off the defense". With Kisaragi down, at least Monta has a better chance to catch the ball but who knows if Sena even has the arm to get it to him. And of course even if he does get past Gaoh, remember Marco's ability, literally walling you until you realize you don't even have the ball anymore.

While interested in where this is going, I wish the mangaka could of at least found a way for the team to handle a game without Hiruma. That way it wouldn't just be "copy Hakushuu and hope Gaoh doesn't crush me or Marco doesn't steal the ball for another TD".

rusashi

You know what I wouldn't mind? Kurita crushing Marco. Even tho it's kind of a low blow, it should be done.

I think the best option right now is two quarterbacks, and it looks like Ishimaru might bethe second one (he's right behind Sena) and they run the dragonfly from the Shinryuuji game. Lateral passes might be the key to victory.

wolfwood

@rusashi:

I think the best option right now is two quarterbacks, and it looks like Ishimaru might bethe second one (he's right behind Sena) and they run the dragonfly from the Shinryuuji game. Lateral passes might be the key to victory.

how would that work with two guys who cant toss a ball, like Tokoro said i think all thats gonna happen on offense is Sena running the ball dropping it a few times and generaly failing til he figures out how to get past Marco and then whoopi the victory is ours.

now defense is another thing, like most im hoping that Kurita actualy gets pissed off tosses aside Gaoh and snaps Marco like a twig, but since even the breaking of his closest teammate only managed to get him crying im not sure were ever gonna get to see him furious, i mean what more/worse than that could he possibly do to piss him off? Ah well one can hope atleast.

And im all for a little Huh bros screentime hope they actualy for once do something (well atleast Jumo i know the other two never ever get to do anything), or Komosubi generaly seeing anything done by a lineman whos not Kurita would be nice.

rusashi

@wolfwood:

how would that work with two guys who cant toss a ball, like Tokoro said i think all thats gonna happen on offense is Sena running the ball dropping it a few times and generaly failing til he figures out how to get past Marco and then whoopi the victory is ours.

now defense is another thing, like most im hoping that Kurita actualy gets pissed off tosses aside Gaoh and snaps Marco like a twig, but since even the breaking of his closest teammate only managed to get him crying im not sure were ever gonna get to see him furious, i mean what more/worse than that could he possibly do to piss him off? Ah well one can hope atleast.

And im all for a little Huh bros screentime hope they actualy for once do something (well atleast Jumo i know the other two never ever get to do anything), or Komosubi generaly seeing anything done by a lineman whos not Kurita would be nice.

I don't know how actual football works, but shouldn't everyone on a football team know how to throw a football? They wouldn't be throwing yard long lateral passes, but shorter passes, and with Sena's dodging speed, and Ishimaru's decent speed (he's probably faster then most of the Dinos.) it might be possible. I just hope that they won't make this game so simple as "Sena gets the ball and runs."

And this is Kurita's match. Komusubi shined in the Poseidon match, the Huh Brothers kind of haven't done anything since the Sphinx, but Juumonji scored a TD in the Shinryuuji game. The Line has proved themselves individually, but we always knew Kurita was a powerhouse. Now it's powerhouse vs powerhouse.

Now excuse my nerdy obsession with this manga.

DeadJustice

In actual football, posistions are specialized. In certain cases their can be posistion changes, depending on the strengths of said players. But everyone isn't going to same set of basics for all posistions.

Tokoro Ataru

I think that if Deimon wants to win this, the key is not just to rush but also to pass. With Kisaragi out, all Sena needs is to get it down the field to Monta (maybe now without Marco to deal with) and attempt to get TDs, just like Hiruma and Monta did at the beginning. While I don't doubt Sena's knowledge of throwing, he may not be able to get it at the speed and accuracy needed to push the ball down that way. All I see at this point is just what Marco's doing: hope the defense contains Gaoh and run down the field, all the while figuring out how to avoid Marco's Screw Bite.

rusashi

I just assume with a team as short handed as Deimon, Hiruma would be smart enough to teach his other players how to throw, even if they can't unleash a Devil Bat Bullet, they can throw well enough to substitute in a game, especially if he expected Sena, Ishimaru or whoever else to be a QB in this game.

Not to say they're good at throwing though. Just Sena/Ishimaru might know how to throw because Hiruma was planning on this.

Archibald Desmond Deus

@rusashi:

Not to say they're good at throwing though. Just Sena/Ishimaru might know how to throw because Hiruma was planning on this.

I doubt Sena would have much range in any case. He's pretty weak in the upper-body, so I'd be surprised if he could throw for five yards let alone anything useful. He'll probably just run circles around everybody for a while before fatigue sets in, and Gaoh starts getting to him.

I also don't see Kurita going berserker at all, but I don't think it would do much good anyway. Gaoh has just been built up as too strong for anything to push him back. The author kind of wrote himself into a hole with Gaoh being so unstoppable, and unless Deimon's got some kind of wicked defense going on, Hakuusho's got this game in the bag.

Sandai Mera

If Sena could push Agon down (debatable) and Raimon could outcatch
Sakuraba (debatable) then I think it's possible to stop for Kurita to stop Gaoh.

Captain Kaze

lq Raw for the latest chapter is out..

! Well, looks like Komusubi's (fucking short fatty. I'm not sure if I'm getting his name right, I could never remember his.) getting a bit of development. ..and if I'm not mistaken, he actually speaks at one point.
Kurita needs to get his act together. And Sena ..drops the ball from the start? facepalm

Tokoro Ataru

After all the stuff last week, I think it was hilarious to show that Sena really isn't QB material but is mostly just helping the team along. Though the star of the chapter is Komusubi, finally proving himself to Gaoh, to Kurita and to everyone. Though with him starting to wear down and Hakushuu running up the score…who knows how the heck Deimon can come back. (unless it has something to do with figuring Gaoh out and running up the score themselves)

Capt Haggis

The thing that really sticks in my mind is that kurita is so messed up that he can't understand Komusubi anymore.

Mr. All Sunday

Wow what a depressing chapter.

Komusubi was awesome though, finally speaking and whatnot, I was hoping he'd get too do more in this game.

Archibald Desmond Deus

I agree it was nice for Komusubi to really get so much face time this chapter It was really impressive to see him stepping up to the challenge of Gaoh without a second thought. At the same time it really shows how insanely powerful Gaoh is exhausting him in just a few plays.

Also interesting to see Hiruma's penchant for high risk/high reward plays appear in Sena. Though just on the surface this looks like borderline suicide.

rusashi

This chapter is the stepping stone for Kurita's comeback to be incredibly freaking awesome. I doubt they can break through Hakkushu's line though. Sena's really not thinking. Then again, the Devil Bats always tend to do the impossible.

dameon_reaper

Is Sena going to start growing sharp teeth, pointy ears, and piercing wicked eyes? Cause…for some reason, I want Sena to be as daring as Hiruma is....and I got my wish lol

Also, its great to see Hiruma smile out of nowhere..

supaluigi

He just needs to call Kurita 'Fucking Fatass', that will solve everything.

dameon_reaper

@supaluigi:

He just needs to call Kurita 'Fucking Fatass', that will solve everything.

If he calls Kurita Fucking Fatass then for all we know, Sena is the knew Hiruma…but is it for the better or worst? Cause Hiruma is my favorite character in E21...but even if he's gone, I'll keep reading.

changsho

Kurita is BACK!

!

Bounty1Berry

Y'know, Kurita's personality growth is impressive, but the whole bushy-eyebrows thing seems weird after 15 volumes of him being little more complex graphically than Charlie Brown.

Just my two cents.

Been reading the official translations– while part of me loves how they

! didn't pull out the Seibu match it felt strained to pull
! the "nobody realized that it wasn't the end" thing. Surely Mamori, who had done some research, wouldn't be fooled; she's also Hiruma-proof (being all but fed up of hearing about the snacks, so why should she keep quiet)

Tokoro Ataru

Kurita getting it on was the highlight of the chapter, combined with Sena and Komusubi trying to take on Gaoh themselves knowing they were going to get crushed. At least the battle is finally on and the game can finally start getting interesting. (since…well, without Kurita, they would have no chance)

rusashi

next chapter : Sena vs Marco, calling it

quotLCquot_Lapen

Hey, to anyone who hasn't heard:

@Anime:

Viz Media has announced that Eyeshield 21, the anime series about American football as it is played in Japan, will debut on Viz and Cartoon Network's online Toonami Jetstream video service in the United States on December 17. The anime series is based on Riichiro Inagaki and Yusuke Murata's manga, which Viz also releases in North America under the Shonen Jump imprint

I really have no interest in watching the crappy anime, but what does intrigue me is whether or not this dub will be good or terrible.

For instance, could some of you tell me if having Hiruma voiced by Derek Stephen is a good or a bad thing? He's played Phantom from the MAR dub, Keitaro from LOVE HINA, and Shino Aburame in NARUTO, just to give you an idea.

Tokoro Ataru

Somehow thinking of a harsher version of Shino seems to work for Hiruma. Don't ask me why.

New chapter is out…I guess all that training and rushing is turning Sena into a QB after all.

Jedi Master

what makes the anime so horrible anyway, is it because it have to much fillers or something? btw how many episodes and chapters are there for this series?

Puma

@Jedi:

what makes the anime so horrible anyway, is it because it have to much fillers or something? btw how many episodes and chapters are there for this series?

Tons of filler, storyline altering, important factors missing, most of the episodes have bad quality and so on.
The best thing that the anime has done was the seiyuus, the opening/endings and some episodes that actually have good quality (there are like 2 different art-styles that is good quality, you can see the difference from the latest OP/ED)

Anime: 132 episodes
Manga: 262 chapters

PS. The anime also made plays that doesnt make sense to the american football rules.
Yeah, I know that the manga doesnt show much of IRL football like violations but this is things that doesn rule, like for example linebackers playing in offense (and i mean permament LB, that doesnt take any position from the offense) and a normal play which then suddenly becomes a kick play (?, criticise me on this one, im not really sure that it plays like that)

Satsuki

All we're missing now is the Hakushuu backstory. Y'know, why they want to go to the Christmas Bowl. (and why Marco calls Maruko "Maria" and stuff)

After all I heard about the ES21 anime and its butchery thereof, I never bothered to watch it, but I am curious about the seiyuu. Are they any good? (especially Hiruma?)

changsho

Well, I've only heard Hiruma from the anime several times and he's nothing special.

But that's from the currently ongoing series. There was a Jump Special episode (I think before the anime began?) where Hiruma's seiyuu was different. He was awesome. Plus the Special tied in nicely with the manga, as in

! How the Devil Bats got permission to train in Tokyo Tower

Jedi Master

Never seen the anime subbed before (is the VA for Hiruma btw only is a VA seiyuu for that anime, because based on animenewsnetwork and wikipedia, it says it is).

I heard that the guy voices Ishida from Bleach voices him, heres the link if you want to see more: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=4036

KrnxAJa

! Finally the Devil Bats score a touchdown. But with Gaou's strength, how are they going to stop the return touchdown? Will Kurita play some important role here?
! The match is turning interesting.

Archibald Desmond Deus

All Kurita really needs to do is stop Gaoh in his tracks like before. Since he's now gunning to take Gaoh out I don't see why his killer intent won't transfer to defense as well. If Gaoh can't move forward, Hakuusho is screwed. Hopefully Marco will pull something else out for Hakuusho to still seem a threat. Either that or Kurita starts to get tired; fighting Gaoh's got to be straining him.

natli

Ha! We have a proof that Hiruma is a devil. He can use telepathy, not to mention see things that are happening on the field while lying in hospital

Anyway, Hakuushu are toasted.

wolfwood

@Satsuki:

After all I heard about the ES21 anime and its butchery thereof, I never bothered to watch it, but I am curious about the seiyuu. Are they any good? (especially Hiruma?)

AoG-WZ_ozOk

Heres a little sample of Kurita,Sena, And Hiruma so you can listen for yourself, personaly think their VAs worked perfectly for them.

rusashi

I always liked Hiruma's VA.

Bounty1Berry

I'm waiting to see the American dub, since it will be on free-streaming. Is that site they're doing it on (Jetstream) just Flash Video, or an obnoxious "download 84 plugins and it only works with IE6/WinXP?"

RomanGod

Well, the dub is a hack. Merged episodes and all.

Yes, replaced BGM and Hiruma has no guns.

Jedi Master

what does BGM means? That would be messed up if they don't show guns (seeing that the co. that dubbed it also dubbed a familiar ninja anime)

DeadJustice

Background music .

Brad Redfield

@RomanGod:

Well, the dub is a hack. Merged episodes and all.

Yes, replaced BGM and Hiruma has no guns.

…fuck.

Hopes for uncut DVDs

Janken Jack

Uncut DVDs with that artwork just ain't worth it for me.

Tokoro Ataru

Sort of heard that episode one had some "forshadowing" of later characters and such, but considering Hiruma's even more neutered and with what's coming, I think people better just find a way to start the manga.

J-Sack

Just when I thought the anime couldn't be any worse…

Jedi Master

Just watched the episode just now, you mean that bazooka that Hiruma had was a real one (I guess so). I kind of hate when they repeat something that would come out later in the episode, unless of course they do that in Japan also (I remember a Japanese Pokemon episode, but I think thats different).

Oh wait, the thing that happened in the beginning is of the next episode (go figure)

Brad Redfield

@EvilGamerX:

Just when I thought the anime couldn't be any worse…

Is it really that bad? I remember enjoying the few episodes I saw awhile back.

Tokoro Ataru

OK, got some further information from another board: basically Viz is just distributing this ES21 dub. Its actually a combination of NAS, TV-Tokyo and Shueisha (which is part owner of Viz anyway) who are the real people behind the content and they are putting it up on a website that just caters to kids as opposed to otaku. They may like this cut and paste ES21, but I rather have my character development and guns.

Kaze

ES21 the anime is cool. Don't hate.

Woo go Kurita for kicking ass. :]

KaizokuFan22

for those that WANT to see the dub. it is on jetstream(Go to shows then Eyeshield 21 logo)
http://www.toonamijetstream.com/index.html?applicationType=browser
Ep.1 is on jetstream.
(i might as see it too.Never seen this anime before)

King Calamari

What a horrible intro the damn bastard can barely sing.

Jedi Master

Can't believe Hiruma is voiced by Derek Stephen Prince. He sounds almost like Steven Blum w/ almost the attitude of Ken from Reborn (can't find anyone else who acts like him in dub, I mean in other animes that are actually dubbed)

rusashi

Hiruma's voice isn't that bad. Kurita's sucks though. I wonder if dubbers actually watch the original sometimes.