@Seal:
I believe this sort of speculation belongs in the "Theories that don't deserve their own thread" thread.
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Who defeated Roger? My Theory around the entire series (but it isn´t a dumb one)
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Why has nobody come up with the obvious answer to the "Who captured Roger" question? Sengoku. He WAS a major player on the seas back then, he was an Admiral too, if I remember the Ohara incident correctly, and now he's Fleet Admiral. A combination of capturing Roger and destroying Ohara probably got him a promotion. It makes sense that the highest ranking Marine would be the one who caught Roger.
As to Dragon… I doubt he was a Marine before, because as was stated before, if Dragon was a rogue Marine, the World Government would have gone to great lengths to capture him, because keeping a high-ranking Marine's betrayal under wraps would be hard, the other Marines at least would learn of it. He might have been, but certainly not as high-ranking as to catch Roger, because that would mean that the World Government would have been taking Dragon seriously from the beginning.
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Why has nobody come up with the obvious answer to the "Who captured Roger" question? Sengoku. He WAS a major player on the seas back then, he was an Admiral too, if I remember the Ohara incident correctly, and now he's Fleet Admiral. A combination of capturing Roger and destroying Ohara probably got him a promotion. It makes sense that the highest ranking Marine would be the one who caught Roger.
As to Dragon… I doubt he was a Marine before, because as was stated before, if Dragon was a rogue Marine, the World Government would have gone to great lengths to capture him, because keeping a high-ranking Marine's betrayal under wraps would be hard, the other Marines at least would learn of it. He might have been, but certainly not as high-ranking as to catch Roger, because that would mean that the World Government would have been taking Dragon seriously from the beginning.
I agree with most of it, besides the fact that we know and that it is confirmed that Dragon was an ex member of the marines…
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I agree with most of it, besides the fact that we know and that it is confirmed that Dragon was an ex member of the marines…
Say what?
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well sengoku would be the obvious guess but knowing the marines that was probably just what was spread. just like how smoker takes public credit for crocodile being done in.
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Wait a gosh darn second before we start things we have no backing for, 1st why do we assume that garp and dragon are related? Personally I think its 50/50 whether he is dragons father or luffys moms father. I found where it mentions that garp is dragon's father but really it is just something the marines are shouting and just like many of us have they could be merely jumping to conclusions. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/17/ check it out yourselves and see)
2nd, where oh where did we get any evidence that dragon was an ex-marine because I am pretty sure I would remember that little pearl. -
I think it's pretty clear he's Dragon's dad, as the family name passes with the father (Monkey D. Garp, Monnkey D. Dragon, Monkey D. Luffy, PORUGAS D. Ace…)
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Wait a gosh darn second before we start things we have no backing for, 1st why do we assume that garp and dragon are related? Personally I think its 50/50 whether he is dragons father or luffys moms father. I found where it mentions that garp is dragon's father but really it is just something the marines are shouting and just like many of us have they could be merely jumping to conclusions. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/17/ check it out yourselves and see)
2nd, where oh where did we get any evidence that dragon was an ex-marine because I am pretty sure I would remember that little pearl.Dragon has NOT been confirmed as an ex-marine
Dragon is definitely Garp's son. They share the last name so unless some odd incest happened Dragon is Garp's kid
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I just want to make it clear at this point that I said I loved this theory because I thought it was fun and to some extent done with a DON~!! not because I necessarily thought it was true. OK.
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I just want to make it clear at this point that I said I loved this theory because I thought it was fun and to some extent done with a DON~!! not because I necessarily thought it was true. OK.
Oh good, I was beginning to lose respect for you, despite how much I like your Theory of Everything.
well sengoku would be the obvious guess but knowing the marines that was probably just what was spread. just like how smoker takes public credit for crocodile being done in.
That was different, there, nobody knew that Luffy defeated Crocodile except for Hina and Smoker's crews, and two crews could be kept under control. However, if Dragon caught Roger and brought him in, the news would spread like wildfire in minutes. And Dragon, if he was a Marine, probably didn't leave until after Roger's death. In which case, it would be too late to give Sengoku the credit, the world would already know it was Dragon. And if Dragon betrayed the Marines as soon as he captured Roger… Then the World Government would have considered him an immediate threat, because such a powerful Marine had declared war on the World Government, instead of not even mentioning him at a meeting until about 15 years later. Again, Dragon may have been a Marine who grew disillusioned with the World Government, perhaps he even learned about what the World Government really is from Roger himself, but he most probably was NOT so high-ranking as to be the person who captured Roger.
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i dunno about this theory anymore
If Dragon was the ex-Sengoku that would they NEED his picture? Wouldn't everyone know who he was?
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The Will of D.
That strikes me as a crucial part of understanding those of the D. lineage.
We came to find out that all of the "D"s are infact VERY Strong people. Ace, Garp, Marshall, and Luffy, as we have seen them the most and there interactions, act very similar. (Not too much on Marshall's part yet….)
So we can assume that Roger is of the same calibur. Luffy is very passionate about his Nakama, Ace is very passionate about his Nakama, and Garp is very passionate with his crew (or at least with his underlings (Coby and Helmeppo)), Marshall showed some care for his Nakama during the battle with Ace. Alot of tough love going around within the D. Lineage.
We can tell that Dragon cares "somewhat?" for his son since he saved him in louge town.
The theory of Roger giving himself up for his crew isn't a bad one at all, I can see that definately, the theory of Roger being defeated and captured...is more unlikely for me to really see at this point, although it would be awesome to be introduced to one or those who are stronger that those of the D lineage, hell it would be awesome to find out about another Lineage that rivaled with the D's....but thats going into a tangent so ill leave that there.
I am just very curious as to see how Luff and his fathers relationship will either develop or even diminish as the series heads into what I can assume will be an epic mark.
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Yeah, "Fire Fist" Ace had to come in and RUIN the theory by pointing out that meeting of kings. Way to go, Ace, does it make you happy to rain on people's parades? Ha ha.
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Sorry m8, but i think Dragon would have been too young at the time of Gold Roger's death. In my opinion, Usopp is about Luffy's age and Yasopp is about Shank's age. Shanks was just kid, maybe 18 years old, when he saw Gol D. Roger executed, so, it might be acceptable to infer that Dragon was in the same age range. My point, he was too young to defeat Gol D. Roger.
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@srn7536:
Sorry m8, but i think Dragon would have been too young at the time of Gold Roger's death. In my opinion, Usopp is about Luffy's age and Yasopp is about Shank's age. Shanks was just kid, maybe 18 years old, when he saw Gol D. Roger executed, so, it might be acceptable to infer that Dragon was in the same age range. My point, he was too young to defeat Gol D. Roger.
Huh? Luffy and Dragon in the same age range? Despite the fact that he's his dad?
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@Kitsune::
Huh? Luffy and Dragon in the same age range? Despite the fact that he's his dad?
I think he means Dragon was in the same age range as Luffy is in now, i.e circa 18 years old. Which is also around the same age he Shanks was, thus he was too young to defeat Roger.
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Too young? right….
Because Luffy isn't "too young" to defeat Crocodile, Moria, Enel, Lucci...?
Huge Thanks to FrankyIsFeelingSupah for his help with everything
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We are talking about Gol. D Roger.
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@srn7536:
We are talking about Gol. D Roger.
No joke, besides Luffy's kinda a special case. He's one of the main protagonists.
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Luffy's mom beat Roger, but everyone kept it as a secret because the bunch of powerful men in the three powers would feel way too ashamed if a girl became the pirate queen.
I bet Dragon felt to ashamed to tell his rebell buddies about what his girl did, so she just left her and decided to dump Luffy and Ace in a small island at east blue.
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**Dragon wasn't even considered a thread until like 4 years ago.
More than likely, roger turned himself in for whatever reason.**
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I agree with the above guy. I also think he turned himself in. That proud face with which he announced his last words was not the face of a defeated man. He definitely looked like a winner to me.
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srn7536: … You know how Luffy acts in the face of imminent death? that's right a big smile across his face.
And there has been a bunch of comments on how similar Luffy is to GDR.
