I think Robin's only GREAT purpose in the future will be to get rid of the Cannon Fodder of the Yonkou without any problem.
How can the ShP get stronger
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What they need is a trainer. What Genkai was to Yusuke, what Kamesennin/King Kai was to Goku, etc etc.
I can see them meeting some old man in The New World who helped prepare many great pirates for the challenges ahead, including Gol D. Roger.
He will help all of them move up to the next level with various things he teaches them. For example some of the 6 forms… I mean if friggin Coby can learn Soru then I am sure Sanji can.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
I think Robin's only GREAT purpose in the future will be to get rid of the Cannon Fodder of the Yonkou without any problem.
LMFAOROTFL!!!
No matter what, Robin is the most over used famous cannon fodder of ALL shonen! Being owned by two shichibukai and everyone else is just FUNNY!
But really…the only way the ShP can get stronger is through!!!!...
(drum roll)
PLOT DEVELOPMENT!!!
It's worked so far...
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What they need is a trainer. What Genkai was to Yusuke, what Kamesennin/King Kai was to Goku, etc etc.
I can see them meeting some old man in The New World who helped prepare many great pirates for the challenges ahead, including Gol D. Roger.
He will help all of them move up to the next level with various things he teaches them. For example some of the 6 forms… I mean if friggin Coby can learn Soru then I am sure Sanji can.
This isn't Dragonball. Explain to me how your going to teach people like the one and only rubberman how to use his rubber powers better. And the only one who could really teach Zoro anything in swordsmanship at this point would be Mihawk himself. Everyone in their crew is pretty much top class in what they do. You can't find a master for masters.
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What they need is real doping.
I know Chopper could make "Brave Balls" for Usopp if he wanted.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
What they need is real doping.
I know Chopper could make "Brave Balls" for Usopp if he wanted.
Usopp doesn't seem as cowardly anymore though. In fact, other then when he's forced into close range combat, he's pretty kick ass.
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This isn't Dragonball. Explain to me how your going to teach people like the one and only rubberman how to use his rubber powers better. And the only one who could really teach Zoro anything in swordsmanship at this point would be Mihawk himself. Everyone in their crew is pretty much top class in what they do. You can't find a master for masters.
Yeah i pretty agree with that,but Luffy can find a master who teach him on basic fighting technique,so that when he fights BlackBeard n having his ability nullified he will still have a 'style' to fight,unlike Enel when he nullified by the seastone who lost he's 'basic fighting sense'.
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This isn't Dragonball. Explain to me how your going to teach people like the one and only rubberman how to use his rubber powers better. And the only one who could really teach Zoro anything in swordsmanship at this point would be Mihawk himself. Everyone in their crew is pretty much top class in what they do. You can't find a master for masters.
Doesn't need to teach Luffy rubber related things. Or maybe some effecient way of using your battle aura or whatever it is that Shanks had coming off him that knocked out most of Whitebeard's crew.
Zoro could be given advice or given his faults as a swordsman that he needs to overcome.
I don't think Luffy and Zoro need to level up as much as the others, so really the training would benefit the weaker crew much more. Sanji is practically written in to a hole now, it is hard to imagine how he can improve while only using his legs.
There has to be someone living in The New World who has seen all the strongest pirates. Perhaps even helped them out on their journeys, helped prepare them for the troubles ahead. It isn't farfetched.
Maybe the guy can find their strongest battle qualities and help them improve them.
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@123:
Yeah i pretty agree with that,but Luffy can find a master who teach him on basic fighting technique,so that when he fights BlackBeard n having his ability nullified he will still have a 'style' to fight,unlike Enel when he nullified by the seastone who lost he's 'basic fighting sense'.
And the crew aint really 'master' in what they do yet,i'm sure there more people out in the sea better than them in their each professionFrom what I could tell Blackbeard's power only nullifies abilities while he is touching them. Therefore, if Luffy gomu gomu no pistol's his face, his arm will just retract, but Blackbeard's still getting punched in the face. Anyways, all Luffy needs to do is strap a lantern to his hand and he should be fine.
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From what I could tell Blackbeard's power only nullifies abilities while he is touching them. Therefore, if Luffy gomu gomu no pistol's his face, his arm will just retract, but Blackbeard's still getting punched in the face. Anyways, all Luffy needs to do is strap a lantern to his hand and he should be fine.
haha nice one,but im more worried when blackbeard grab's him.Afterall you don't really expect Black Beard to get hit that easily and do nothing bout it,given that Black Beard is not that weak and stupid.
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@123:
haha nice one,but im more worried when blackbeard grab's him.Afterall you don't really expect Black Beard to get hit that easily and do nothing bout it,given that Black Beard is not that weak and stupid.
Well he's not fast either, so grabbing Luffy shouldn't be a issue.
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Whoever said Luffy using his shadow to Stretch and hit his opponents after fighting Moria…
PROPS.
As for other SH, here are my ideas:
Robin:
Everyone has always wanted Robin to attain Shigan for some apparent reason, and thats fine and also really deadly, however I hope she can evolve it to a point where instead of creating parts on hard surfaces, she can create parts on any substance including air.
Her fighting style has been revolved around grasping opponents, and after seeing how she fought Oz, saw Luffy with Giant arms, she potentially can do the same thing. She can use her power to create hundreds/thousands of arms/hands to simulate Giant Limbs and instantly hit her opponent from any angle she chooses. (This rivals Luffy's style, except its hard to predict, no drawback of being Chibi and with its random movement, the hands can instantly disappear leaving an opponent dazed and confused.) Here is an example Im talking about, its from one of the DBZ movies, and although Janemba's limbs exit from the air, Robin can can achieve the same with Giant limbs, except with surfaces or if she evolves her fruit where she can create limbs anywhere (:30 - :45 in the video):
Zoro He is a tricky one, however having demon Ki opens up new possibilities for him.
We have seen him use moves that reference Demons, and Deities, also becoming a Deity himself. IMO he can be an element user without having a fruit. His Demon Ki can grant him abilities from Demons or other Deities from other mythologies that have an element that is associated with it. For example (Excuse the Naruto reference…) Kyuubi for Fire, Ichibi for Earth (then again all these Demons were here before Naruto....) and so on and so forth. Doesn't have to be Japanese demons, can also be Gods such as Vishnu, Shiva, and etc who are also tied with a certain element or trait.
Or if Demon Ki doesnt grant him certain demon traits, he could form his Ki to take on an element he wishes.
Sanji Of course I would love he gained Moonwalk and Rankyaku, however I feel he can attain Electricity into his style.
He has the fastest feet in the crew, and it can be possible for him to rub his foot he is going to use faster than his opponent can see, and strike them with a static electricity kick which can stun or fry. (Kinda like Benimaru in King of Fighters….)
Usopp
The one thing I can think up for him is modifying his Impact dial into his Kabuto where he can shoot the impact stored into the dial instead of having to use his arm to deliver the strike. Since hes the sniper of the crew, the one Rokushiki he should be able to do or mimic is Kami E because he'll need the agility not so much Strength.
Franky This man is Mr Technology here. My way of him upgrading his fighting style is actually pretty cheap. After reading the Deidara fight, Franky can pseudo use C4. What I mean by that is, Franky could have a move here he blows wind at an Opponent, which contain Nano-technology. Once entering his opponent's body, he can control them or destroy them at will.
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Well he's not fast either, so grabbing Luffy shouldn't be a issue.
We dont know the extent to his ability.But anyway lets stop this BB VS luffy thingy it aint gonna end
Tick tick tick
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don't think Luffy and Zoro need to level up as much as the others, so really the training would benefit the weaker crew much more. Sanji is practically written in to a hole now, it is hard to imagine how he can improve while only using his legs.
I disagree with that. Sanji can improve as much as anybody else. Who would of thought he would be able to create fire/heat with one of his legs? Who knows that else he can do. He can up with different techniques using aura similiar to shanks and zoro with his legs. Physically he can get stronger and faster and he gain more techniques.
Same with Zoro. He uses his arms to strike same as Sanji uses his legs to strike. Zoro arms/mouth just have swords in them. Sanji's arms are his feet, since he stands on them when he has to do certain moves.
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@Uncle:
@ skarlath how for god's sake should nami become physically stronger? She is not the kind of girl to work out muscles, the same is for lysop and robin and perhaps franky. Don't think it's a silly topic coz as you can see, there are some sh who cannot just get stronger by themselves, so In the new world oda has to conceive sth
I do agree some of the SH need to learn Rokushiki, because it was very limit for Sanji and Chopper to power up in "conventional" way.
Kalifa was amazed by Sanji's speed although she is a Rokushiki user.
The top 3 of cp9 fighter are zoan, so Sanji and Chopper have the potential to master at least one move of Rokushiki.Stronger doesn't always means muscles, Kalifa have super human strength, but she don't have any muscles.
This is shonen, Powerful Lady/Women can be very sexy.I know Kalifa own by Nami, but it doesn't mean Nami is stronger than Kalifa.
If Nami and Usopp did not develop physical strength, their weapon should have upgrade to one hit K.O. type of weapon. Nami and Usopp are good backup fighter in team work, but in one on one situation they will loosing their edge.
sorry for my bad English.
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@123:
As far as i notice(i maybe wrong) most of the major fights are physical battle.I'm not saying its bad, but its good to have a 'mental' fight once in a while.As in like some psycho-guy with the ability to affect the SHs mentally(like affecting the brain,casting illusions that they[SHs] only they are seeing,making feeling dreadful of something that occur in their past etc.) thus having the SH to overcome the 'mental-barrier'.
Ill say this would make the SHs stronger psychological wise.Seriously if the newer boss keeps getting physically stronger i cant what the 'most-powerful boss' can do, and it'll be great to have a boss with strong 'mental' powers rather than having him to have strong physically.
Don flamigo me be the villian you could be describing we already saw that he has mind control powers so who knows.
The thing about robin making giant limbs i think she did that in a filler or one of the movies.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
The thing about robin making giant limbs i think she did that in a filler or one of the movies.
uhhh… she did that against Moria... in Thriller Bark... you know... now
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uhhh… she did that against Moria... in Thriller Bark... you know... now
chapter and link i don;t remember seing dat
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Please no other elmetal legs for Sanji… It would be LAME... Fire is cool enough!
Still have to say he has to have a move like Rankyaku cause he is an even better kicker than most of CP9... He already have Soru speed...
And in the fight against Wolf-boy he seems to do a Geppou-like move before he tried to hit him with Brouchette (?)...
He jumps toward Jyabura and in mid-air he did jump a second time above jyabura to sweep his feet and try the Brouchette
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
chapter and link i don;t remember seing dat
then " We're Obv not reading the manga"
http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-476-page-19.html
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Don't forget the thing she did against Oz, to trip him over.
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Basically, Chopper needs to get off those Rumble Balls, and transform himself naturally, like Kaku making his neck and legs longer, with no use of a Rumble Ball, and Lucci beefing up, or de-beefing, in his half-leopard form, then Chopper would become a right hardnut, cos currently the Rumble Balls (as we all know) in someterm, he's a thundering reindeer killer, but after Rumble Ball abuse he's off his head, and does as much harm as help for his friends.
However he'll need to train real hard to rack up his 'Dourikis', 'cos the above mentioned Kaku, and Lucci, were several times stronger than he is, and were then able to modify their Zoan ability without a Rumbling assistance.
Unless of course he can control Monster Point, now that'd be proper mental.
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Maybe Brooke could use some more of his body's advantages.. Like abusing the fact that he doesn't show any emotions. He could just lie down in a battle and act KO, And then suprise the enemy.
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Maybe Brooke could use some more of his body's advantages.. Like abusing the fact that he doesn't show any emotions. He could just lie down in a battle and act KO, And then suprise the enemy.
I think this is more usopps tactic.
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Well, I didn't read all of the comments before me, so forgive me if some are repeats!
Ok, 1st, Luffy is fine were he's at, he's a genius in fights, so he'll figure something out!:happy:
Zoro is fine were he's at, he's always training, so he fine!:happy:
Sanji, he needs to learn a few hand moves, well, not really, but stop being afraid to fight women, well not afraid, but you can hit them if they act like Claifa, she was a b****, so, he needs to upgrade in that area!:ninja:
Ussop, well, the dude is pretty strong, if he stopped running, and actually fought, he would be more kick butt, I mean, when he's Sogeking, he's the best, look at the Perona fight, that was one of the best One Piece fights (well, at least to me)
Nami, needs to learn how to master more different types of weather, stop using that damn Thunder Tempo move (which I like) for every fight, she needs to learn Ice moves, Wind moves, and Hot moves (Steam etc) if she could master these moves, she could freeze people, make tornadoes, or maybe on e arc, even a Hurricane (doubt this, well, maybe till the end of One Piece):sideways:
Chopper, needs to stop being so damn scared of everything, he's strong, but is always so scared, and running from everything, CP9 arc he did good, and also, CONTROL MONSTER POINT, or a super rumble ball, that lets him be in Monster Point for about 3mins!
ROBIN, so much she can do, but she doesn't, learn real combat moves, she's one of my favorite characters, BUT, she needs to be like she was in Skypeia, when she fought Yami, and start whipping REAL butt, oh, and learn how to fly more!:getlost:
Franky, well, at the moment he's ok, but he needs to later on upgrade, this is where I think, Vegapunk MAY help, oh, and PUT SOME DAMN PANTS ON! :ermm:
My ideas of them getting stronger!
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I'm angry at Oda for not allowing Sanji to learn Soru and Ranyaku, i mean he's the best leg user in the SHs, and if coby can learn cant he too
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@123:
I'm angry at Oda for not allowing Sanji to learn Soru and Ranyaku, i mean he's the best leg user in the SHs, and if coby can learn cant he too
Oda doesn't want the Sh"s to copy moves, he wants them to be unique, that's why their so badass! woot woot
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Chopper needs more Balls.
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Oda doesn't want the Sh"s to copy moves, he wants them to be unique, that's why their so badass! woot woot
Then why did he allow Luffy to copy soru?
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@123:
Then why did he allow Luffy to copy soru?
Or is this the 'only the captain can do this can do that,but not the crew' thingy.:cwy: Your mean , andddddddddddd if it was the same ol pirate stuff, all the SH's would fight with swords, and I never said or implied that only Luffy can copy things, I simply said that they don't need to copy moves, because they all have a unique ways of fighting, that's what makes them so unique in the One Piece world, who would ever think that a deer could have 6 forms, or 7 (Monster Point), a girl could use her knowledge about weather to fight, a chef could spin on fire to attack and fight, a guy could use, not one, not two, but THREE swords, and etc, well, to sum this up, I'm basically saying why use others way of fighting when yours is already unique and kick major booty!:happy:
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:cwy: Your mean , andddddddddddd if it was the same ol pirate stuff, all the SH's would fight with swords, and I never said or implied that only Luffy can copy things, I simply said that they don't need to copy moves, because they all have a unique ways of fighting, that's what makes them so unique in the One Piece world, who would ever think that a deer could have 6 forms, or 7 (Monster Point), a girl could use her knowledge about weather to fight, a chef could spin on fire to attack and fight, a guy could use, not one, not two, but THREE swords, and etc, well, to sum this up, I'm basically saying why use others way of fighting when yours is already unique and kick major booty!:happy:
Eh when i typed i had a neutral tone,i was just voicing out my opinion on why Luffy can do soru,it was never meant to 'attack' you so you got that part wrong.
BTW, if Sanji doesnt want to copy attack maybe he could do a variation of Ranyaku that non of the current CP9 could do.That way it wouldnt have been copying!!!Tick tick tick
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Chopper needs more Balls.
Chopper really need more balls, but not rumble ball.
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@123:
BTW, if Sanji doesnt want to copy attack maybe he could do a variation of Ranyaku that non of the current CP9 could do.That way it wouldnt have been copying!!!
Agree!~
CP9 send out air blade.
Sanji could send out fire balls. (not so good in name the move)Fire tornado will be my favourite, imagine Sanji's helicopter kick with Diable Jambe.
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i dont think once they get to the yonkou theyll be prepared for wat they r capable of so luffy will constantly be using gears 2 n 3. So he'll probaly make a new gear like gear 1 or something that allows him to get superbufff like in the thrillerbark arc.
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i dont think once they get to the yonkou theyll be prepared for wat they r capable of so luffy will constantly be using gears 2 n 3. So he'll probaly make a new gear like gear 1 or something that allows him to get superbufff like in the thrillerbark arc.
I don´t think that luffy would evolve gear1, cause he would put in the revears gear. :happy:
by the way i think that luffy has now a really powerful level. if we look back to thriller bark, he broke the bones from a giant. plus he defeated moria after he leaved oz, easily with his gears. he even don´t got damaged by moria (a shichibukai!!), just by himself (gears).
Sanji: i think that he need some long distance attack, he just can attack enemys with his legs. so that point with shooting fireballs with diable jamble is a good idea. er some other shooting type
Zoro: i think that he has a good new powerful sword, plus he easily defeated Samurai Ryuuma. (against brook had no chance) ergo i don´t think that Brook is faster then Zoro.
Usopp: take the battles like they come, and get every time good ideas, tricks and luck. he have to use more dials, or use them. like the dialshhoes Viper had. then he can run away faster.
Nami: need more tricks with her staff. lick produce windblows or fireattacks and so on.
Chopper: should master his monsterform.
Robin: don´t now, she doesn´t fight so much. and her ability seems a bit limited. (but it isn´t i think)
Franky: he is a new character and always shows a lots of tricks. i think that he need a harder body after we know kuma defense. the nanchaku is a cool idea probably he got some more weapons.
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then " We're Obv not reading the manga"
http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-476-page-19.html
i don't think that what was meant something like robin producing a gear 3 type like hand or foot i think thats what they was meant by giant limbs.
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Zoro: i think that he has a good new powerful sword, plus he easily defeated Samurai Ryuuma. (against brook had no chance) ergo i don´t think that Brook is faster then Zoro.
If Brook not the type of strong physical fighter, he should learn Kami-e for defense. Brook's light weight body give him a better chance to master Kami-e.
Luffy Zoro and Sanji are the speed fighter,
and brook speed is because he is just like Lotus sports car, small engine but light weight give him a better performance. (higher hp/tones, speed, power)
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I think the strawhats learning soru, or shigan, would be cool, but their own moves are far cooler, it's what defines their crew, and seeing as this crew nubbed the hell out of CP9 it would seem a little ironic to copy the loser's tricks.
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@123:
Eh when i typed i had a neutral tone,i was just voicing out my opinion on why Luffy can do soru,it was never meant to 'attack' you so you got that part wrong.
BTW, if Sanji doesnt want to copy attack maybe he could do a variation of Ranyaku that non of the current CP9 could do.That way it wouldnt have been copying!!!LOL, I was joking with you
, I know you wasn't being mean, and yeah on the Sanji part, I would like to see him do some kind of Ranyaku, maybe a red one, that would be awesome, but who knows, we have about 10 years of this manga left, Oda gotta find them new moves somewhere!:blink: -
to be honest, i really dont think luffy could get any stronger once hes reached a new gear. the gomu gomu fruit is one of the few fruits u can further its powers enable to get stronger than it should be. and so far, luffys gears wher discoverd by luck. gear2 was accidentaly discoverd on the mechanical isle in the 7th op movie, n gear 3 was probably discoverd when luffy was biting his thumb and he accidentally blew it up. jus sayin. its not like my theory is right or anything but luffy has to get stronger in some other way which wont shorten his life span, or how can he be king of the pirates for long.
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to be honest, i really dont think luffy could get any stronger once hes reached a new gear. the gomu gomu fruit is one of the few fruits u can further its powers enable to get stronger than it should be. and so far, luffys gears wher discoverd by luck. gear2 was accidentaly discoverd on the mechanical isle in the 7th op movie, n gear 3 was probably discoverd when luffy was biting his thumb and he accidentally blew it up. jus sayin. its not like my theory is right or anything but luffy has to get stronger in some other way which wont shorten his life span, or how can he be king of the pirates for long.
thats definitly not, the movies had nothing to do mith the manga.
I tell you this in a good mod, caus e other people would bitchin you.don´t compare the anime with the movies.
and by the way he evolved it from soru, CP9 technic, which was not in the 7th movie.
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thats definitly not, the movies had nothing to do mith the manga.
I tell you this in a good mod, caus e other people would bitchin you.don´t compare the anime with the movies.
and by the way he evolved it from soru, CP9 technic, which was not in the 7th movie.
Don't compare ANYTHING with the movies, don't even compare the anime to the Manga.
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@Kitsune::
Don't compare ANYTHING with the movies, don't even compare the anime to the Manga.
Also, I blieve that he said he began coming up with the gears after he fought Aokiji.did you dissed me? cause i still don´t get the association of the thread.
I think he said he must find a way to get stronger after he fought Aokiji to protect his nakama. but he evolved gear second from soru. yes or no?!
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Huh. didnt know that the movies where neve connected to the anime. not enough people talk bout them so i guessed i got confused. MY BAD.:(
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All I'm saying is that the movies are not connected to the anime or the manga, and the anime isn't fully compatible with the manga either.
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@Kitsune::
All I'm saying is that the movies are not connected to the anime or the manga, and the anime isn't fully compatible with the manga either.
yup, i know. i have the same statement. cause sometimes i don´t know if someone attacks me or not, so i ask them beforer i give a comment. so everythings alright, go on. :ninja:
and you don´t answered my question
gear second from soru: yes or no?
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yup, i know. i have the same statement. cause sometimes i don´t know if someone attacks me or not, so i ask them beforer i give a comment. so everythings alright, go on. :ninja:
and you don´t answered my question
gear second from soru: yes or no?
I was never really clear on that….I was under the impression that he thought them up after fighting Aokiji.....
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I think what happened is that Luffy was thinking of possible power-ups after he lost to Aokiji, but he didn't come up with anything much worth using. That is, until he lost to the CP9 at Water 7 and saw Rokushiki. Then, Luffy decided to try to match Rokushiki abilities, and came up with a way to match Soru by raising his blood pressure, a.k.a., Gear 2nd. So Aokiji gave him motivation to find a power-up, and Rokushiki helped guide him towards what he managed to turn into working power-ups.
As to the thread topic…@CLERICSHADOW:
But really…the only way the ShP can get stronger is through!!!!...
(drum roll)
PLOT DEVELOPMENT!!!
It's worked so far...
I think this is really the most valid answer.
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As to the thread topic…
I think this is really the most valid answer.Nope.
It's all up to Oda's Imagination. Plot development would be crap like in other series if it wasn't for Oda's sickening imagination.
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I think the best way for the strawhats to grow strong is to learn/adapt from the villians they face. Some of them (Luffy and zoro have done that to an extent) have started already.
Zoro should learn mantra. He kinda learned it way back in the alabasta arc before we knew what it was called.
Sanji should be able to moon walk or do the leg slice thing (forgot what it was called)
Robin should be able to fly (for longer)
Chopper could use a new rumble point or master monster point
nami needs to learn how to make it hail or something
Usopp has a full arsenal of stuff he just needs courage
not sure what luffy needs
