Alright, I thought that this article was a bit too big to just go into the "news" thread. I want to know everyones honest opinions on this?
What will be the outcome? Do you think it is destined to work or fail? :ninja:
Bin Laden's son wants PEACE
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How do I know its going to fail? Cuz he looks like this:
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Edit: Also take note that even if he wants peace, the reality of the matter is that nothing can change. We are stuck in Iraq ect.. Binladen is in a cave somewhere in soudi arabia, and we aint looking for him. What could this possibly do?
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Just wondering if anyone actually read the part sandwiched away from the "OMFG HEADLINE" hidden deep within that states:
Omar doesn't criticize his father and says Osama bin Laden is just trying to defend the Islamic world.
Just, throwin' that out there. Him being an advocate for peace and all.
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Omar raised a tabloid storm in Britain last year when he married a 52-year-old British woman, Jane Felix-Browne, who took on the name Zaina Alsabah. Now the couple say they want to be advocates, planning a 3,000- mile horse race across North Africa to draw attention to the cause of peace.
Was I the only one who thought Steel Ball Run when they read this?
EDIT: Greg, I think that bit you posted talked about Osama himself.
If all my talents and powers were taken away from me by some inscrutable Providence, and I had my choice of keeping but one, I would unhesitatingly ask to be allowed to keep the Power of Speaking, for through it, I would quickly recover all the rest.
–Daniel Webster
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Islam is theoretically the most peaceful religion.
Proof that theories can only be carried out by perfect beings.
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Sorry Greg, looks like you struck out
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Just wondering if anyone actually read the part sandwiched away from the "OMFG HEADLINE" hidden deep within that states:
Just, throwin' that out there. Him being an advocate for peace and all.
Just wondering if you read the part leading up to that particular sentence, you being very vocal about "OMFG HEADLINES" and all…
Osama bin Laden, believed to be in hiding in the Pakistan-Afghan border region, offered a truce to Europe in a 2004 audiotape and a conditional truce to the United States in a 2006 message. In November, he called on European nations to pull out of Afghanistan in a message seen by some experts as an effort to reach out to Europe.
But in a series of messages since last fall, he has also been calling for Muslims to rally around jihad, or "holy war," encouraging fighters in Iraq in particular to continue their battles with U.S. and Iraqi forces.
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Islam is theoretically the most peaceful religion.
Proof that theories can only be carried out by perfect beings.
Like to point out Buddhism for a minuate. Thats the most peaceful religion. Why cause they have no radical idoits running sround trying to restore their world to a dark time all for a god that doesn't exist. Thats why. So yea Buddhism all the way.
"Wasn't the Internet made for scanlations in the first place?"- Simon Jones
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Horse Race across a country you say
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How do I know its going to fail? Cuz he looks like this:
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Good God, he looks like an extra out of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome or Live Action Fist of the North Star.
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@The:
Like to point out Buddhism for a minuate. Thats the most peaceful religion. Why cause they have no radical idoits running sround trying to restore their world to a dark time all for a god that doesn't exist.
Here we go…
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Good God, he looks like an extra out of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome or Live Action Fist of the North Star.
He actually looks like that Indian Prince, from the movie "Son of the Dragon" :s
even though he's not Indian…what a great movie
Anyway, I basically have no idea how this thing is going to turn out. But it certainly is interesting. A couple of Osama's wifes were interviewed a year or two ago, and they all said that he was a nice guy. I remember having to write some short paper for school on that interview.
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How do I know its going to fail? Cuz he looks like this:
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I dunno. I would be more creeped out if I found this in my backyard….
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Anyways, I hope he is not killed during that rally he's planning. After all, it would suck if he did after attempting to change something for the good, even tough I doubt Al-Qaeda will change it's way, this may be good for the people outside it.
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Do I think it will work? No… Do I hope it will work? Yes...
One big reason I don't think it will work is because there will never be peace between the West in Al-Queda, However peace with Muslims I don't see why not. There are plenty of Muslims that live in the West that don't really have any problem other than they are being more westernized.
Also lets not turn this thread into one about religion stay on the topic at hand.
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I think it's nice that the son of the most dangerous person on Earth wants peace, but…personally, I think he's part of a plot to blindside us.
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Was I the only one who thought Steel Ball Run when they read this?
You guys are slow as hell
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@Tommy:
I think it's nice that the son of the most dangerous person on Earth wants peace, but…personally, I think he's part of a plot to blindside us.
Not every child in the world will follow the steps of it's damn father.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Not every child in the world will follow the steps of it's damn father.
is a living example
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BATTLEFIELD QANDAHAR
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@The:
Like to point out Buddhism for a minuate. Thats the most peaceful religion. Why cause they have no radical idoits running sround trying to restore their world to a dark time all for a god that doesn't exist. Thats why. So yea Buddhism all the way.
Didn't you just use Buddhism to flaunt and jaunt superiority and toss around hate and bile at others?
Oh hey look at that, the makings of violence and war over a religon.
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Whoops! My bad.
I copied the wrong part. Same difference.
Omar doesn't criticize his father and says Osama bin Laden is just trying to defend the Islamic world.
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@The:
Like to point out Buddhism for a minuate. Thats the most peaceful religion. Why cause they have no radical idoits running sround trying to restore their world to a dark time all for a god that doesn't exist.
There are indeed extremist Buddhists, especially in Sri Lanka. While they made not be particularly good at being Buddhist (taking anything to an extreme isn't moderation), the same can be said of anybody who does anything crazy in the name of religion.
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Ugh, the comments on that article piss me off so much.
"Omar belivse in Islam and Jihad just like his dad. All muslims belive in Islam and Jihad."
HAHA WOW.
1. Of course all Muslims believe in Islam. Uh. What?
2. "Jihad" simply means "struggle", the struggle to live in accordance with God's will by establishing and keeping a just society. It does NOT necessarily mean "holy war", that's just one way to go about it. It is not inherently linked with violent action.
3. I can never get over the incredible ignorance of people who think that all members of a religion interpret and practice it exactly the same way. JUST LIKE HOW CATHOLIC AND MENNONITE CHRISTIANS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, YEAH?
4. And as pointed out already, Islam in its pure form is a religion of peace (once you get to the Medinan suras, there is the notion that fighting is sometimes necessary to overcome oppression – however, for anyone who's ever read the Hebrew Bible, the teachings of the Quran are infinitely more peaceful than those of its Judaic roots.) whose primary focus is social justice. The Qur'an condemns female infanticide, requires donations to charity and help for the poor, orphans, and widows, grants women the right to property and inheritance, and often promotes tolerance for other religions -- Sura 10:99 says that there are varying religions and cultures because God didn't wish for there to be a single unified people; 2:62 says that anyone who believes in God -- Muslim, Christian, or Jew -- and who does good works within society doesn't have to fear for salvation; and Sura 109 acknowledges that people have different religions and should respect that and let God deal with it -- "To you your religion and to me mine."
I just can't stand how many people think like the person who wrote that comment. They never even stop to think that they themselves are a significant part of the reason for the tension between the Western and Muslim worlds.
tl;dr: People who make judgments on Islam without ever reading any of the Qur'an need to go away.
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Oh, I forgot to add that a good deal of the violence – almost all of the violent acts related to misogyny -- in the Middle East is the result of the region's tribal roots, NOT Islam. Many of the laws there have tried to mix Islamic guidelines in with tribal laws and have created something that almost certainly (I'm not a mufassir, so I'm not going to pretend to have the Qur'an's meanings all worked out) isn't what the Qur'an intended.
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anyone who believes in God – Muslim, Christian, or Jew -- and who does good works within society doesn't have to fear for salvation; and Sura 109 acknowledges that people have different religions and should respect that and let God deal with it
people should be more accepting and open minded.
I had 2 customers at work last night, ramble on about how they dislike how some people want to be Canadian Mounties, and wear a Turban. They went on about how, the Mountie hat is part of the uniform, and they should keep their religion at home, and if we went to their country, we'd have to follow their rules.
Um, well first off, maybe, that's why they wanna live in Canada. Because we are more open and accepting of other's differences. And second, they live in Canada. Canada is their country. Quit talking as if they don't belong here. 3rd, their turbans are just as special as our Mountie hats. in the end, it's all fabric. does it really matter. Someone wearing a turban can still uphold the law and the ideals of the mounted police. finally, about keeping their religion at home. EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! ARE YOU SERIOUS! How about keeping all your Christmas crap at home, cause your offending me looking at all that Christmas crap, that I don't wanna celebrate with you. How about, all the Jehovah's who try to spread their word to others and share what they believe in. We allow that in Canada. and you say they don't have a right to wear their turban. Just cause their religion is celebrated by wearing clothing that represents something to them. How about me saying lent, or fasting is stupid. Why the hell would you do that. If I wanna eat meat, I'm not going out of my way to go to a stupid veggie restaurant to accommodate my stupid friend who can not eat meat on good Friday.
(btw, so no one thinks I'm putting anyone down, I'm just stating examples of how silly it is to bad mouth someone wearing a turban, when other religions have their own unique ways of practicing religion. I'M NOT BEING SERIOUS WITH THESE ACCUSATIONS)
as for the actual topic. Why not. He is not his dad. IF he says he wants peace, why not. What's wrong with that. Someone has to do something. It has to start somewhere. Lets see what happens.
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They never even stop to think that they themselves are a significant part of the reason for the tension between the Western and Muslim worlds.
Yeah. Jane Doe going to Starbucks before work in the morning caused the thousand year holy war.
There is ignorance regarding causes, people, motivations, religions, etc. Ignorance simply leads to more ignorance. But ignorance is just that until some fuck takes it and uses it as a weapon.
I personally feel no hate towards any Muslim. I think their religion is great when practiced how it's supposed to be and so long as they apply modern standards to it which don't supress sexes.
But you can't blame someone for hating a fuck that supports or jihad or fails to criticize it the same way you can't blame someone for hating the shit that comes out of this moron's mouth.
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Yeah. Jane Doe going to Starbucks before work in the morning caused the thousand year holy war.
There is ignorance regarding causes, people, motivations, religions, etc. Ignorance simply leads to more ignorance. But ignorance is just that until some fuck takes it and uses it as a weapon.
I personally feel no hate towards any Muslim. I think their religion is great when practiced how it's supposed to be and so long as they apply modern standards to it which don't supress sexes.
But you can't blame someone for hating a fuck that supports or jihad or fails to criticize it the same way you can't blame someone for hating the shit that comes out of this moron's mouth.
Uh, what? I didn't say that one guy caused 9/11. The issue I was getting at is that SO MANY people are uninformed about the history of the region and everything, and unfortunately, many of them are extremely vocal with those opinions and apply them NOT just to people like bin Laden but to all Muslims everywhere. When people in the Middle East hear half the population over here calling ALL of them evil people with dangerous and wrong beliefs, of course that's just going to provoke the extremists further and gain them more support.
The average person doesn't affect things on his own, but once you get a whole slew of people spouting off the same crap, everyone starts to hear it, and then you've got a problem.
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Greg's still at a 0 in this thread
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I'm still searching for the big deal in this thread.
Plenty of people are calling for peace, plenty of people more important than this guy (BUT HES OSAMA'S SON. If you just thought that, leave this thread.)
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Yeah, I don't see anything coming of this. I think it could have just been included in the general news thread.
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Or we could make a topic called "This made the news? Must be the writer strike."
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Uh, what? I didn't say that one guy caused 9/11.
Who said anything about 9/11?
When people in the Middle East hear half the population over here calling ALL of them evil people with dangerous and wrong beliefs, of course that's just going to provoke the extremists further and gain them more support.
Evil? What person in their right mind calls or has called every Muslim evil.
Are you contending that because we call individuals without marked uniforms, fighting a war, that walk into civillian locations and set off explosives evil, that's going to promote them to blow up more people?
What logic exists there? Is that to say we just ignore them or honor their methods?
I do agree with you that people need to be aware of what is and what isn't kosher in the Muslim world (GET IT?!) but just because we label extremist fucks as such isn't adding any fuel to the fire, promoting problems or making confusion.
The (few) people out there who happen to think "Muslim = Terrorist" don't matter for anything. They're an insignificant amount of the population and nobody listens to them anyone except out of pity.
I mean, their own people criticize them and their actions so why should it be wronng for anyone else to?
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Evil? What person in their right mind calls or has called every Muslim evil.
You give too much justice to the human race. There are plenty of freaks out there that are in fact in their right mind; they just whole heartedly believe things such as that.
Are you contending that because we call individuals without marked uniforms, fighting a war, that walk into civillian locations and set off explosives evil, that's going to promote them to blow up more people?
I'm sure they would much rather bomb embassies or George Bush himself, however, that isn't exactly doable. And by calling them evil, we not only give them recognition, we do it in a matter that is provocative and to the far end of the spectrum. It doesn't get much more extreme then calling someone evil. I doubt they would really care, but giving them the attention to the point where we create stories like "OSAMA'S SON WANTS PEACE" not only fuels their war drive, it proves to them that their tactics are working. Think Vietnam.
What logic exists there? Is that to say we just ignore them or honor their methods?
We dug ourselves into a pretty shitty whole with this mess. I know I'm just a kid and my ideas aren't perfect; but I think a little common sense and a quick look at history could be helpful here. There is absolutely no way we are going to be able to unite their entire population under one government at this stage. It will take a lot of manning up to our mistakes to even begin correcting this situation; which will never happen. I don't know the correct answer to this situation. Ignoring them would be stupid, and yet, doing something about it seems just as stupid.
I mean, their own people criticize them and their actions so why should it be wronng for anyone else to?
Assuming you had a good life pre-coup, would you sit quietly as the people who threw your previous leader over attempt to establish a form of government in your nation? Definitely a question I have thought about. I am personally not sure what I would do.
I apologize if I misunderstood anything you said. I feel as if this topic has nothing to do with the original post anymore though.
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You give too much justice to the human race. There are plenty of freaks out there that are in fact in their right mind; they just whole heartedly believe things such as that.
No they don't. No one that makes any decisions in the real world believes in that and if they do, the people empowering them are fuckin' nuts. The thing to do now would be say:
"George Bush! Evil! Starts wars! Rhetoric rhetoric! Rabble rabble rabble!"
George Bush doesn't think all Muslims are evil. Nothing started over Muslims being Muslims. They're just Muslims! Catholics are just Catholics. And on our side radicals take the form of the American Catholic League, a hypocritical movement that defeats the very purpose of what it stands for, just like radical Muslims, except Donahue hasn't turned himself into an IED….yet. If you wanna draw a closer parallel look at the KKK. White people that DEFICATE on what it means to be Caucasian. They're evil psycho fucks.
And by calling them evil, we not only give them recognition, we do it in a matter that is provocative and to the far end of the spectrum. It doesn't get much more extreme then calling someone evil. I doubt they would really care, but giving them the attention to the point where we create stories like "OSAMA'S SON WANTS PEACE" not only fuels their war drive, it proves to them that their tactics are working.
So just ignore them. They'll go away. Because mama always said if you can't say anything nice…
Please. They're evil. They're evil fuckin' psycopathic hedonistic loonies. Just call 'em as they are. It doesn't 'empower' them. I'm not 'afraid' of them because they are what they are, it's just what they are.
Ignoring them would be stupid, and yet, doing something about it seems just as stupid.
This sounds like the typical answer. Just let it stew and let them kill each other. Then at least it's not our problem. This goes back to as something as simple as females being groped on trains in Japan. What did Japan do? They created a separate train car for women in the morning so SOME women could ride on those while other women get groped.
Ignoring the problem is being a part of it.
Assuming you had a good life pre-coup, would you sit quietly as the people who threw your previous leader over attempt to establish a form of government in your nation? Definitely a question I have thought about. I am personally not sure what I would do.
If it means people aren't going to get killed on the way to pick up some groceries AND that the new power in charge isn't going to abuse their power? I don't think you'd even have to give me a moment to think about it. I really have no idea what this has to do with my comment or the topic but since you asked.
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No they don't. No one that makes any decisions in the real world believes in that and if they do, the people empowering them are fuckin' nuts. The thing to do now would be say:
"George Bush! Evil! Starts wars! Rhetoric rhetoric! Rabble rabble rabble!"
George Bush doesn't think all Muslims are evil. Nothing started over Muslims being Muslims. They're just Muslims! Catholics are just Catholics. That doesn't mean the American Catholic League isn't a hypocritical movement that defeats the very purpose of what it stands for, just like radical Muslims, except Donahue isn't an IED….yet.
No one here has said George Bush thinks all Muslims are evil. My statement simply meant that there are in fact people out there who think all muslims are evil. They do however face plenty of discrimination for just being muslim, especially here in the U.S. Just go to an airport and observe for a day.
And yeah, I'd hope no one in power thinks all Muslims are evil.
So just ignore them. They'll go away. Because mama always said if you can't say anything nice…
Please. They're evil. They're evil fuckin' psycopathic hedonistic loonies. Just call 'em as they are. It doesn't 'empower' them. I'm not 'afraid' of them because they are what they are, it's just what they are.
Evil or justified? It's all perception. What they are doing is evil in your mind, and in my mind too. I'm not afraid of them either, I'm on the other side of the world, why would I be afraid. Were I to be in Iraq? Sure, I'd fear for my life if I had to think about it.
This sounds like the typical answer. Just let it stew and let them kill each other. Then at least it's not our problem. This goes back to as something as simple as females being groped on trains in Japan. What did Japan do? They created a separate train car for women in the morning so SOME women could ride on those while other women get groped.
Ignoring the problem is being a part of it.
I never said to ignore it. I know its completely hypocritical, but I can't give a straight answer either. I don't know the solution to it. Ignoring it is bad too. Doing something obviously isn't working out too well. The only right way is to do it correctly. The correct route is something that hasn't been found yet, or things would be getting better.
If it means people aren't going to get killed on the way to pick up some groceries AND that the new power in charge isn't going to abuse their power? I don't think you'd even have to give me a moment to think about it. I really have no idea what this has to do with my comment or the topic but since you asked.
Just saying, what would you do if you were in their shoes. Can you really call them wrong? I suppose you can since you seem to believe what they do is completely wrong. Yeah, I would agree to an extent. I don't think anyone should die going to the supermarket. I also don't think people should bend over and follow the flow mindlessly. They were invaded for a reason that really has no merit. So of course, other reason's spring up. "He was massacring his own people." Right. Darfur, North Korea. Why are those countries still at "peace" then?
I guess I'm just saying that they aren't doing what they are doing because they are evil. They are doing it to drive away foreign invaders; something they have done for centuries. They never asked for foreign help.
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No one here has said George Bush thinks all Muslims are evil.
Nor did I say you did. I simply illustrated the next step that seems to come all too often.
Just go to an airport and observe for a day.
They get stared at for having beards and dark skin. My sorrow for their plight knows no bounds.
I live in the middle of the mountains in Japan, 1 of 6 foreigners in a town of 40,000 where people criticize you for crossing the street when no cars are coming and the light is red. Do I care?
Evil or justified? It's all perception. What they are doing is evil in your mind, and in my mind too.
"Evil is all perception." is the loser's phrase. So, in what case is blowing up random people a good thing. Please argue from their perspective why it's a positive thing to knowingly, willingly and intentionally blow up random people. If evil is all perception, it's something we should be able to change since, well, we're arguing that we should have open minds to begin with. Convince me why the above isn't evil. I don't want to hear, "Well I personally think it's evil so I can't." If we're agreeing that evil is something you can't define, explain why what they're doing isn't.
I never said to ignore it. I know its completely hypocritical, but I can't give a straight answer either. I don't know the solution to it. Ignoring it is bad too. Doing something obviously isn't working out too well. The only right way is to do it correctly. The correct route is something that hasn't been found yet, or things would be getting better.
So in other words, don't ignore it. Just so long as you've chosen an answer.
I suppose you can since you seem to believe what they do is completely wrong.
What? Blowing up people just fuck 40 virgins in the afterlife? Is there someone out there in their right mind who can't say that's completely wrong?
You know, on a message board, I defend people's rights to an opinion or lifestyle because (believe it or not) we're all normal people….most of us.
We all deserve a right to our opinions on little bullshit topics because that's exactly what they are. Is Zoro cooler than Sanji? Is Kuma stronger than Mihawk?But when it comes to something like intentionally killing people for personal gain? Sorry.
Not saying you Anbu, but then we've got, "US FORCES HAVE CAUSED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS! SO HOW CAN YOU SAY blah blah bullshit bullshit rhetoric rhetoric bullshit." The vast majority of US forces don't go in there saying, "All right! Let's fuck up this marketplace!" They're clearly marked uniformed people who are trying to help them and do not have the intention or goal of spilling innocent blood.
"BUT THE PRISONS! RAPE! ABUSE!"
Yes, guess what, like there are some fuck-head Muslims, believe it or not, there are fuck-head Americans too. Small world. Those monsters SHOULD be dealt with accordingly. When the aren't, it's possibly the worst thing that our country could do and is a total dishonor to the people who don't commit such atrocities.
I don't mean to come down on you Anbu but this whole, "Well we think it's evil but that doesn't mean it really is everywhere.", bullshit is a sad excuse that one too many Basket-Weaving degree carriers carry around like a banner.
They're maniacle evil fucks that go directly after innocent people. Are they fighting for a cause? Yes. Do they think they're right? Sure. Does that make them right or give them the dignity of being allowed to have their opinion considered? Fuck no.
If you don't have the balls or ovaries to call those kinds of people what they are, I dunno what you can stand for in life.
People that deserve respect in life, are the people who value and respect the lives of others first and foremost. When they directly and knowingly seek to take that away then they become evil. It's not a snickering wizard atop a mountain castle, it's a person saying, "Go here, kill these people walking on the street that have nothing to do with you or me and can't possibly harm me just to cause panic over a religious war."
That's sick.
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Greg, Jihad doesnt mean "war"….he said he supports jihad. It has nothing to do with the "jihad" that his father is doing. Why cant you grasp that? lol.
It will be ok
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Greg, Jihad doesnt mean "war"….he said he supports jihad. It has nothing to do with the "jihad" that his father is doing.
I never said anything about jihad.
Why cant you grasp that? lol.
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Who said anything about 9/11?
Just adding another ridiculous example to your sarcastic holy war comment since you seemed to be implying that was the way I thought. Thanks.
Evil? What person in their right mind calls or has called every Muslim evil.
No one, but there are people who do. I'm not talking about Bush or anything like some people say, I'm sure he doesn't think this, but there ARE those who call Islam an evil religion. And they fortunately aren't a majority, but they are extremely vocal about it so it DOES make an impact. Of course I've lived in varying parts of the American South my whole life, so maybe I just see this more than you do.
Are you contending that because we call individuals without marked uniforms, fighting a war, that walk into civillian locations and set off explosives evil, that's going to promote them to blow up more people?
What the hell, how do you keep missing EVERYTHING I'M SAYING? The fact that some people say this about ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE RELIGION? Yes, it garners more anti-Western sentiment and more support for the terrorists.
What logic exists there? Is that to say we just ignore them or honor their methods?
Uh, what? Of course not. We condemn the actions of the terrorists and take action against them, but not the Muslim people as a whole (again, definitely not saying our government is anti-Muslim or that they've set out to hurt them, but that too many vocal people condemn the whole religion for the acts of the few), and we make more efforts for diplomacy in the Middle East. The extremists are probably too far gone to accept this at all, but most of the average people in the region would greatly appreciate any effort on our part, which could eventually decrease support for anti-American activity.
I do agree with you that people need to be aware of what is and what isn't kosher in the Muslim world (GET IT?!) but just because we label extremist fucks as such isn't adding any fuel to the fire, promoting problems or making confusion.
Yes. Yes it is. The fact that a lot of Westerners make extreme generalizations about all Muslims (NOT JUST THE EXTREMISTS Rdstyifgtsdff THIS IS THE MAIN POINT I'VE BEEN MAKING THE WHOLE TIME AND HOW DO YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO ONLY EXTREMISTS AND ARGUE WITH ME ON THAT BASIS? I LIKE YOU BUT THIS IS RIDICULOUS) absolutely DOES add fuel to the fire. Have you done any reading on the feelings of young adults in the Middle East toward the west at all? Read Journey into Islam by Akbar Ahmed. He's a Pakistani-born Muslim who now lives in America and teaches at American University. He and a few of his students go to several countries throughout the Muslim world and talk to average people and conduct interviews and take surveys as to what they think about Islam's place in the world and what they think of the West. The answers are both encouraging and scary.
The (few) people out there who happen to think "Muslim = Terrorist" don't matter for anything. They're an insignificant amount of the population and nobody listens to them anyone except out of pity.
Unfortunately, there are more people who think of Islam as a wicked religion than you seem to realize, and even though they're a minority, they're so vocal about this belief that everyone knows it's out there, and it just reinforces the idea of Americans as being stubborn anti-Islamists who aren't willing to even try to come to an understanding. (I don't even know how many times I've repeated this by now.)
I mean, their own people criticize them and their actions so why should it be wronng for anyone else to?
Who are you talking about? The "Muslim = Terrorist" people or the actual terrorists? Because yes, of course they're both worthy of criticism. And I don't disagree that action should have been taken against the terrorists.
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Evil? What person in their right mind calls or has called every Muslim evil.
i hate to say it, but I disagree with ya, buddy. (I can't believe I'm disagreeing with greg) It's sad, but there are some pretty ignorent people out there. People there's just no talking to. They get a bee in their bonnet, and they're damned if they are wrong. And well, This Osama guy is muslim, and he is bad news, so that must be what all muslims are like. We may not do it as much as the sheep in japan do, but people here like to base everything they know off of the media too.
know what I liked. I liked that episode of "30 Days" where that guy goes to live with a muslim family.
http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=8efacc9b924ec161e763
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Nor did I say you did. I simply illustrated the next step that seems to come all too often.
Which has implications that that was where I was heading, which I am not. I was merely defending myself.
They get stared at for having beards and dark skin. My sorrow for their plight knows no bounds.
I live in the middle of the mountains in Japan, 1 of 6 foreigners in a town of 40,000 where people criticize you for crossing the street when no cars are coming and the light is red. Do I care?
Except Caucasian people seem to be fairly revered in Japan, at least from what I've gathered from yours and others previous posts about life in Japan. Perhaps revered is a strong word, but it certainly leans more towards that direction.
"Evil is all perception." is the loser's phrase. So, in what case is blowing up random people a good thing. Please argue from their perspective why it's a positive thing to knowingly, willingly and intentionally blow up random people. If evil is all perception, it's something we should be able to change since, well, we're arguing that we should have open minds to begin with. Convince me why the above isn't evil. I don't want to hear, "Well I personally think it's evil so I can't." If we're agreeing that evil is something you can't define, explain why what they're doing isn't.
"They're evil, end of story." is the ignorant phrase. They're doing what they believe is right. It's hard for us to grasp because it's so ridiculous. History if filled with events that make us go WTF. They blow up random people killing themselves because they believe it will impact the war and scare the infidels out of their country. They don't blow up random people because they like killing or think it's funny. They're doing it for a reason, no matter how twisted it may seem to me or you.
What? Blowing up people just fuck 40 virgins in the afterlife? Is there someone out there in their right mind who can't say that's completely wrong?
I'm not quite sure what you mean here about the 40 virgins. However, there are people who think up this retarded shit. Jews burned in the furnace and babies were mowed down by machine guns as target practice during the Holocaust. In North Korea today, they are being brainwashed into worshiping a madman. And as I've said, I don't think their reasoning behind it is to "fuck 40 virgins in the afterlife." Which I am still not sure what you mean.
Not saying you Anbu, but then we've got, "US FORCES HAVE CAUSED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS! SO HOW CAN YOU SAY blah blah bullshit bullshit rhetoric rhetoric bullshit." The vast majority of US forces don't go in there saying, "All right! Let's fuck up this marketplace!" They're clearly marked uniformed people who are trying to help them and do not have the intention or goal of spilling innocent blood.
I don't think the vast majority of them want to kill the innocent civilians either. They just believe it is the only course. And looking at it, what else can they do against the American Army? Tactics similar to this worked in Vietnam, why not now? (Yes, I understand there are some major differences to these two wars, but it would be foolish to deny it as having some parallels.)
I don't mean to come down on you Anbu but this whole, "Well we think it's evil but that doesn't mean it really is everywhere.", bullshit is a sad excuse that one too many Basket-Weaving degree carriers carry around like a banner.
They're maniacle evil fucks that go directly after innocent people. Are they fighting for a cause? Yes. Do they think they're right? Sure. Does that make them right or give them the dignity of being allowed to have their opinion considered? Fuck no.
I just think the first step to solving this situation is to at least understand their perspective. Rushing in with a "no negotiations" policy is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever heard. "We don't negotiate with terrorist." Give me a fucking break, that means the only solution is bloodshed. Blood that WILL come from civilians or soldiers just patrolling the street. This whole situation has gone too far to be rectified by establishing a second hand government full of what is likely corrupt officials.
If you don't have the balls or ovaries to call those kinds of people what they are, I dunno what you can stand for in life.
People that deserve respect in life, are the people who value and respect the lives of others first and foremost. When they directly and knowingly seek to take that away then they become evil. It's not a snickering wizard atop a mountain castle, it's a person saying, "Go here, kill these people walking on the street that have nothing to do with you or me and can't possibly harm me just to cause panic over a religious war."
That's sick.
I don't think this directed at me, as I have stated that I personally think they are evil too. Religion is an immensely powerful tool that can be used in completely wrong ways. There are plenty of people out there who place their faith above all else. And if it comes to a point where their faith is telling them to kill, they will do it. Those are one of the kinds of people in this world that create tension.
