So I was wrong about Enel. I'm not surprised. Why? Cause my Mom's boyfriend was over and they hogged the 54" inch TV in the living room which I usually watch. So I was stuck in my Mom's room on her 24" TV. The sound seemed good but it kinda echoed.
1/5 "Is Escape Possible?!? Eneru's IQ Test is Set in Motion!" Dub Discussion
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I loved all of Sanji's lines.
Sanji: "Nami, please tell me that I'm third on that list of priorities!"
Whack
Nami: "Don't push me!"Also, his "Why, Nami, why a T-shirt?!"
Also, do you hear the end of Luffy and Sanji's argument when Ussop's looking out the window?
Sanji: "Because food should please your eyes as well as your pallat!"
Luffy: "That's just stupid, even I can't eat through my eyes. Of course I did eat through my nose once…"
Sanji: "...Oh just stop talking!"More Luffy's awesomeness:
Nami: "Where are you going?"
Luffy: "Helloooooo? they have food!"and Nami:
"You're on my side, aren't you Chopper? AREN'T YOU, CHOPPER?" -
and Nami:
"You're on my side, aren't you Chopper? AREN'T YOU, CHOPPER?"I thought that line could have used a slight pause between the two sentences.
"Chopper, you're still on my side, aren't you AREN'T YOU!"
Best line of the episode IMO was Zoro's "Yep… quite a predicament."
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It was Heavy Boost in the 4Kids dub… So yeah, FUNi messed up there.
FAITH! And it was great!
Good episode.
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It was Heavy Boost in the 4Kids dub… So yeah, FUNi messed up there.
FAITH! And it was great!
Good episode.
Actually "Weight boost" was used in the Viz manga, and remember that Funi said they'd be using some Viz terms and it would give them some leeway. Keep that in mind…
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Best line of the episode IMO was Zoro's "Yep… quite a predicament."
Agreed. The delivery made it all so great.
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I don't remember him saying "Weight boost" there and i have the game, I think that's in the Viz manga, just like Neptunians.
I'm pretty sure it was in Chopper's Secret Attack. I think Brain Point was referred to as "Smart Boost." The rest were about the same (with boost instead of point,) except the move ended with "Reindeer Roundhouse."
Seriously? What is it with 4Kids and making the most awesome attacks sound like something they scraped off their shoe? "Cherry Blossom" actually didn't sound that bad in the first place.
Anyway, I should probably go watch the episode now.
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So, i'm the only one who noticed the "White beret's crawling" was edited in the beginning, huh?.
Nope I saw it, I watched the episode side by side with the original. I just didn't mention it since I usually make an edits list anyway I figured I'd wait until then. What's with the pointless edits? O_o
It was Heavy Boost in the 4Kids dub… So yeah, FUNi messed up there.
FAITH! And it was great!
Good episode
OMFG ROMANGOD! I missed you ;__; Where were you?
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I'm pretty sure it was in Chopper's Secret Attack. I think Brain Point was referred to as "Smart Boost." The rest were about the same (with boost instead of point,) except the move ended with "Reindeer Roundhouse."
Seriously? What is it with 4Kids and making the most awesome attacks sound like something they scraped off their shoe? "Cherry Blossom" actually didn't sound that bad in the first place.
Anyway, I should probably go watch the episode now.
Sorry, I did Chopper's secret attack, no smart boost or weight boost. Trust me and Wiki.
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I'm pretty sure it was in Chopper's Secret Attack. I think Brain Point was referred to as "Smart Boost." The rest were about the same (with boost instead of point,) except the move ended with "Reindeer Roundhouse."
So we probably have 2 of his forms with changed names? Poo.
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Nope I saw it, I watched the episode side by side with the original. I just didn't mention it since I usually make an edits list anyway I figured I'd wait until then. What's with the pointless edits? O_o
OMFG ROMANGOD! I missed you ;__; Where were you?
Miami. And it was great…!
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BUT!... Off topic.
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Just wondering, why did name change into a t-shirt… lols.
Beside from that, it was an awesome episode.
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No, she HAD to change into a shirt because her "Piss Sanji Off" mechanism in her head went off and it told to her do that. O___O
But yeah, I feel stupid currently, any big highlights for next weeks episode?
-Zera
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- Robin, sounded great, and people overreacting! She was underpressure this episode, so a little bit of attitude was needed. Besides Funi-Robin is part of PETA now! No hurting Animals Zoro!
I agree. I'd rather Robin have a bitch queen attitude than sound like an emotionless monotone robot every episode.
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Not really, as far as I know. They start using the narrator recaps with the map of the area in the episode after next, though. And the one after that is the beginning of the Satori fight.
I loved last night's episode, though. Glad they left in Sanji whining over Nami wearing a T-shirt, I was afraid that would be changed.
Although I found the next one to be a bit boring, I look forward to more of these.
EDIT: Oh wait, NEXT week is when they start the map/recap thing. Sweet.
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Could… could we stop with this "he/she's overreacting" and "it was fine, you're too picky" or "you must want nakama" stuff? No one's overreacting, they're just expressing an opinion different from yours. No one's flipped a shit about Robin. Two or three people have merely said that she sounds too irritable. Respect that people have an opinion and may not like things you like please... >.>
Just a request from a humble newbie...
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I agree. I'd rather Robin have a bitch queen attitude than sound like an emotionless monotone robot every episode.
and here I wanted a FAITHFUL dub.. what was I thinking? ;_;
Could… could we stop with this "he/she's overreacting" and "it was fine, you're too picky" or "you must want nakama" stuff? No one's overreacting, they're just expressing an opinion different from yours. No one's flipped a shit about Robin. Two or three people have merely said that she sounds too irritable. Respect that people have an opinion and may not like things you like please... >.>
Just a request from a humble newbie...
wow that is one of the most intelligent things I've ever heard a newbie say.
and again folks, remember about the constructive criticism thread, if you want to post something negative, do it there. Some people just can't handle it here. Mike McFarland just told me he LIKES the notes I'm sending him, so he WANTS to fix things. Those people who are saying we're the bad guys are the ones who are part of the problem. -
That's good he likes the notes Quex. =O Thanks for being in contact with him.
My little view on the criticism. I feel there's a fine line between Criticizing and bitching. One who criticizes are ones who can can say, "Hey, there's something wrong here in my opinion, and I'll name it", ones who bitch say, "Oh my god, this is so fucking stupid, I hate it, and it kicked my fucking dog!! >=(". Those who criticize give their words and call them opinions, those who bitch give their words and call them facts. I'll look at an edit list, and if I simply see a comparison between the original and a dub showing that Cricket's cigarette was edited out stating "about 2 seconds were cut showing Cricket lightning his cigarette", then I go "Hmm, okay, that's an edit." But I see the same thing but with "2 seconds cut here that shows that Funimation is die hard about showing that Cricket. Does. Not. Smoke. -_-", then I go "Ah quit your bitching. >.<". So yeah, I find actual criticism slightly rare here.
I'm curious Quex, how do you format your notes that you send to Mike MacFarland? May I possibly have an example? =O
-Zera
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and here I wanted a FAITHFUL dub.. what was I thinking? ;_;
I thought a faithful dub was… you know not skipping story arcs, making ridiculous edits like rubber knives and suction cups, and changing scenes like Kunia and Bellemere's deaths. Oh and not having the crappy puns too.
I didn't know that a faithful dub also meant that the voices had to be perfectly like the Japanese version. You know I only bring up that at least it's not 4kids schtick with the voices because those actually did make your ears bleed. Considering that these voices in the funi dub are actually good and you can listen to them without wanting to kill yourself I would think people would be more happy with the voices, but I guess if they're not 100% perfect it's impossible to be happy with them.
and well I wasn't saying anything bad about you Quexi by the way... I mean if it came out like that.
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I didn't know that a faithful dub also meant that the voices had to be perfectly like the Japanese version.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS! STOP SAYING THIS!
**STOP
SAYING
THIS!**
HER VOICE IS FINE. IT'S HER ACTING! WHY CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
having a faithful dub means getting the characters right too! All Im asking is for them to get Robin's character correct. I don't see what that's a problem.
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Im gonna go take a shower
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I'M NOT SAYING THIS! STOP SAYING THIS!
**STOP
SAYING
THIS!**
HER VOICE IS FINE. IT'S HER ACTING! WHY CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
having a faithful dub means getting the characters right too! All Im asking is for them to get Robin's character correct. I don't see what that's a problem.
But don't you see. It's BETTER if Robin is a raging bitch. Because….. why is that again?
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And I just got ignored. She flipped instead. D=
-Zera
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I thought a faithful dub was… you know not skipping story arcs, making ridiculous edits like rubber knives and suction cups, and changing scenes like Kunia and Bellemere's deaths. Oh and not having the crappy puns too.
I didn't know that a faithful dub also meant that the voices had to be perfectly like the Japanese version. You know I only bring up that at least it's not 4kids schtick with the voices because those actually did make your ears bleed. Considering that these voices in the funi dub are actually good and you can listen to them without wanting to kill yourself I would think people would be more happy with the voices, but I guess if they're not 100% perfect it's impossible to be happy with them.
and well I wasn't saying anything bad about you Quexi by the way... I mean if it came out like that.
That's not the point. The point is when ever someone points out something they don't like, you and several other people don't just disagree, you often disregard they're opinion as foolish and then accuse them of being nit-picky sub elitists. Then you tend to act like it's their fault for saying anything negative in the first place. :\
Everyone has an opinion on what the characters should sound like. It's fine if you disagree, but smothering them with posts from five different people informing them how they're overreacting and unappeasable when they only made a small comment is ridiculous.
Don't think this is just directed towards you Aethos. Several people have been guilty of this since the first thread, and it's settled down a bit. But I'm just getting really tired of the same arguments about who's opinion is right and wrong every week. The critiquers can be unreasonable at times disregarding other people's opinions, too.
Essentially, all I'm asking is if we can have an exchange of opinions and ideas without it sinking into attacking people's opinions?
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I'M NOT SAYING THIS! STOP SAYING THIS!
**STOP
SAYING
THIS!**
HER VOICE IS FINE. IT'S HER ACTING! WHY CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
having a faithful dub means getting the characters right too! All Im asking is for them to get Robin's character correct. I don't see what that's a problem.
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Im gonna go take a shower
So her character would be more correct if she was an emotionless monotone robot? Because obviously that is pretty much all of Robin's character. To be honest Robin still sounds like she has a "I don't care about anything" attitude which she should have from your definintion of her character, but you and Charagon are too busy calling her a bitch queen that you tend to not notice it.
That's not the point. The point is when ever someone points out something they don't like, you and several other people don't just disagree, you often disregard they're opinion as foolish and then accuse them of being nit-picky sub elitists. Then you tend to act like it's their fault for saying anything negative in the first place. :\
How is saying they're nit picky disregarding their opinion? No one said they couldn't have an opinion. It's my opinion that certain people in this thread tend to look far too much into the faults and not enough into the good points of the dub.
and well if it was once or twice then I doubt me or anyone else would care about it, but it happens over and over every single week
Everyone has an opinion on what the characters should sound like. It's fine if you disagree, but smothering them with posts from five different people informing them how they're overreacting and unappeasable when they only made a small comment is ridiculous.
It's not just a small comment if they keep bringing it up every chance they get. Heck every week we get into this whole Robin the bitch queen argument and it's really annoying. It's about as annoying as complaining about Collene's version of Luffy.
Don't think this is just directed towards you Aethos. Several people have been guilty of this since the first thread, and it's settled down a bit. But I'm just getting really tired of the same arguments about who's opinion is right and wrong every week. The critiquers can be unreasonable at times disregarding other people's opinions, too.
Well in that case it's the fault of both sides then. It's not entirely the fault of those who defend the dub from those who just want to complain about it for the sake of complaining. After all I don't like how me and other people's opinions are criticized and considered wrong as well as stupid for liking a dub that is considered by the people you claim that we deem to be elitists as an imperfect dub.
Essentially, all I'm asking is if we can have an exchange of opinions and ideas without it sinking into attacking people's opinions?
Obviously not since to do that everyone would have to agree on whether they like the dub or not. Heck the only reason everyone got along when the 4kids dub was around was because practically everyone hated it.
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I honestly see no problems whatsoever with Robin's acting. She gives me the same vibe I get when reading the comic. That's true for all the strawhats thus far.
I also like Robin's Japanese acting. They're different in tone somewhat, but they give off the same vibe for me, so I guess I'm good.
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And I just got ignored. She flipped instead. D=
-Zera
no no no, I sent you a PM. I didn't want to post it here because … well look what just happened when ONE person gave their opinion on Robin. Can you imagine if I posted entire NOTES here?
So her character would be more correct if she was an emotionless monotone robot? Because obviously that is pretty much all of Robin's character. To be honest Robin still sounds like she has a "I don't care about anything" attitude which she should have from your definintion of her character, but you and Charagon are too busy calling her a bitch queen that you tend to not notice it.
And with this post, I can see you don't really understand Robin at all.
I myself never called her a bitch queen, I just said she had attitude she shouldn't have. To be perfectly honest, in any other situation, Robin's "attitude" would turn me on, but when a dub is trying to be faithful it doesn't work. I'm not an elitist, I just aim high. Gotta catch that shining star and all that jazz.
I didn't listen to myself though, I said I wouldn't post bad stuff here and I did ;_;
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Robin's supposed to have an attitude where she doesn't care about anything and only thinks of herself. Some people may say she sounds bitchy but she has the attitude which she is supposed to have.
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And with this post, I can see you don't really understand Robin at all.
I myself never called her a bitch queen, I just said she had attitude she shouldn't have. To be perfectly honest, in any other situation, Robin's "attitude" would turn me on, but when a dub is trying to be faithful it doesn't work. I'm not an elitist, I just aim high. Gotta catch that shining star and all that jazz.
I didn't listen to myself though, I said I wouldn't post bad stuff here and I did ;_;
So it was my fault really. I brought us into this mess. I just won't view these topics anymore. I'll stick with the Constructive Criticism Thread and just… back down...Maybe I don't understand Robin the way you understand Robin, and I don't think you're an elitist. I didn't even call you that at least from my perspective. I mean if you think I called you an elitist then you misunderstood me.
Meh it's partly my fault too Quexi… and well to be honest I'm sorry that I can't understand why you and others hate some things of the dub the way you do, but I just hate the pointless bitching is all. I hated it in regards to the Naruto and Bleach dubs, and to be honest I thought after the whoel 4kids thing that the One Piece fandom would be different when the new Funi dub started. I'm starting to think that I was wrong to ever assume that.
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So her character would be more correct if she was an emotionless monotone robot? Because obviously that is pretty much all of Robin's character.
Since that is Robin's character… then yeah, that's correct. Seems pretty cut an dry to me. Not to mention obvious.
To be honest Robin still sounds like she has a "I don't care about anything" attitude which she should have from your definintion of her character, but you and Charagon are too busy calling her a bitch queen that you tend to not notice it.
That's because her bitchyness is distracting.
and well if it was once or twice then I doubt me or anyone else would care about it, but it happens over and over every single week
Your right. Robin is bitchy over and over every single week and it's really annoying.
It's not just a small comment if they keep bringing it up every chance they get. Heck every week we get into this whole Robin the bitch queen argument and it's really annoying. It's about as annoying as complaining about Collene's version of Luffy.
Then stop arguing.
Well in that case it's the fault of both sides then. It's not entirely the fault of those who defend the dub from those who just want to complain about it for the sake of complaining.
Then go find those people and leave us alone.
Obviously not since to do that everyone would have to agree on whether they like the dub or not. Heck the only reason everyone got along when the 4kids dub was around was because practically everyone hated it.
And everybody hated it for the same reasons people should hate Bitch-Queen Robin, Professor Zoro, Tough Guy Sanji, and Wildly Inconsistent Luffy.
That Funi does it better than 4Kids doesn't mean that it's flawless, and it's the flaws that we should be pointing out. Loudly, often, and in great detail so they know what to fix while they still have a chance to fix it.
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Oh guys, please. enough is enough. You'd think the jumping down each other's throats would stop already.
I'm starting to wonder if these threads should be open for posting for a much shorter time, since it seems that people are arguing much sooner than I had feared. Yes, AP is for discussing things, and I understand that I have no authority over how long these threads are open for posting, but if everyone would please put their difference in opinion aside, maybe it'd be a bit better off? I respect that people have an opinion, and that some think that Robin sounds too emotional, and some quite like this tone to her voice, cause it's perfectly fine to do so. But when it leads to fighting like this, where no one is fucking listening to each other, I think thats when it is really enough.
I'm practically begging here, let's carry out a discussion about the episode in a nice way.
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I don't really think FUNi made Robin a "bitch-queen". That's just overreacting.
Although that "genius" line, and her tone when she was talking to Zoro sounded wrong.
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Robin's supposed to have an attitude where she doesn't care about anything and only thinks of herself. Some people may say she sounds bitchy but she has the attitude which she is supposed to have.
Wow. You really don't understand Robin. Not even a little bit.
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Although that "genius" line, and her tone when she was talking to Zoro sounded wrong.
and that's all I'm trying to say is… GOD DAMMIT I Posted in the thread again >_<
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I don't really think FUNi made Robin a "bitch-queen". That's just overreacting.
For the record, when I say "Bitch-Queen" is a label so I don't have to keep typing out "Robin's attitude is too harsh and yadda yadda yadda."
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And, as expected, no one read my post.
I feel like freaking Vivi here. XD
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@Seal:
Oh guys, please. enough is enough. You'd think the jumping down each other's throats would stop already.
I'm starting to wonder if these threads should be open for posting for a much shorter time, since it seems that people are arguing much sooner than I had feared. Yes, AP is for discussing things, and I understand that I have no authority over how long these threads are open for posting, but if everyone would please put their difference in opinion aside, maybe it'd be a bit better off? I respect that people have an opinion, and that some think that Robin sounds too emotional, and some quite like this tone to her voice, cause it's perfectly fine to do so. But when it leads to fighting like this, where no one is fucking listening to each other, I think thats when it is really enough.
I'm practically begging here, let's carry out a discussion about the episode in a nice way.
I'm starting to think that too. Maybe these threads should be closed like a day or two after the episode is shown just so these kinds of things don't happen.
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I'm starting to think that too. Maybe these threads should be closed like a day or two after the episode is shown just so these kinds of things don't happen.
I'm not going to take any sides, and that is still up to the mods or maybe ChibiGoku.
And don't get me wrong, I LOVE to talk about these episodes with you guys when it's peaceful and no one is arguing. I would really hate to see a decision like that be made. So I'm just trying to hope you guys calm down a little.
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And everybody hated it for the same reasons people should hate Bitch-Queen Robin, Professor Zoro, Tough Guy Sanji, and Wildly Inconsistent Luffy.
Wait, what? Where did this come from? (I'd be one to argue Sanji is a "tough guy" type of character with spouts of romantic drivel, but alas..)
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Wow. You really don't understand Robin. Not even a little bit.
Yeah Charagon because not everyone can be as fucking perfect as you right?
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Don't you start him, this is exactly what I'm trying to prevent.
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Wait, what? Where did this come from?
Several of Zoro's lines in both context and delivery sound like they should be coming from a teacher on a field trip rather than… well, Zoro.
(I'd be one to argue Sanji is a "tough guy" type of character with spouts of romantic drivel, but alas..)
I'd say it's the other way around.
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@Seal:
Don't you start him, this is exactly what I'm trying to prevent.
Yeah well I'm tired of his holier than thou "dur hur hur I M SMRT N U R NOT!" attitude. It's about as annoying as the things he complains about.
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@Seal:
Don't you start him, this is exactly what I'm trying to prevent.
Don't worry. At this point I take Lobster more seriously than Aethos.
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Well, you can't blame him with the description you just gave about Robin. ^_^;
I mean… I know you can agree that at least the "genius" remark (on the last episode) was a bit too rude for Robin, eh?
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Several of Zoro's lines in both context and delivery sound like they should be coming from a teacher on a field trip rather than… well, Zoro.
I'm really not seeing it. Would you mind going into more detail? It's just that this is the first time I've heard about something like this.
If it's about word usage, I wasn't aware "facade" was that big of a word. I don't recall Zoro being an idiot. That's Luffy's job. (I mean he is bad with directions, but other than that I'd say he has SOME intelligence under his belt)
If it's about something else, I..don't know.
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Ugh, see, this is what I mean by no one is listening to each other. If you two wouldn't be so stubborn and just stop having a go at each other, and well, y'know, ignore each other, I don't think we'd have this problem.
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@Seal:
Ugh, see, this is what I mean by no one is listening to each other. If you two wouldn't be so stubborn and just stop having a go at each other, and well, y'know, ignore each other, I don't think we'd have this problem.
You're absolutely right. Well then there's only one way to handle it then to insure a little bit of peace in the thread at least.
All I have to say is that I'm sorry for being stubborn enough to push back after such provocations.
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ROBIN IS NOT QUEEN OF THE BICHES. NAMI IS!!!
That said, I can only think of one line she said (besides her calling crewmembers by name) that was out of character for her, that being the "genius" one. She didn't talk all that much this episode, so I didn't notice anything that seemed out of place for her.
Still wondering what Sanji said about Nami's shirt. Sounded like "Why the hell is she wearing a shirt?"