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      Hey, did Franky actually used Coup De Vent? It looked more like if Kuma overheard Franky's self-chatting about using the pressure of Coup De Vent to disturb his void moves and decided to cheap shoot him before he did anything at all.

      Anyways, funny how Usopp's fire bird star could be a plain tribute to Vearn's Kaiser Phoenix from Dragon Quest: Dai no Daiboken.

      Member of ULTSOA: Usopp will learn to Teleport just like Suezo to Own Anyone!

      "Oda watched Monster Rancher"

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        Wow, nice! But until a translation comes, it is not enough! And I won't survive three weeks until next chapter! o.O

        So, the SH's stepped on an unbreakable wall, uh? I hope they defeat him. Yes, I hope. They are aiming for the New World. If the entire crew together can't stop Kuma, then they should go home, because the New World will be far worse.

        Entire crew sans Luffy, after they've had a pretty big fight already. Depending on how powerful Kuma is, he could actually be worse than the early parts of the new world. Heck, for all we know, Kuma is actually the strongest fighter in the Shichibukai and the 2nd most powerful fighter alive. (Behind Whitebeard and maybe Blackbeard soon.) Or he may not be, we don't know for sure.

        I think the Straw Hats are ready for the New World. Keep in mind, the Straw Hats fought well against Odr without even having Luffy at first, and they brought him down with Luffy and some help from the Rolling Pirates. Moria, the same person who told the Straw Hats they weren't ready, also believed that Odr would have given him the power to defeat Kaidou, one of the Yonkou. And the Straw Hats defeated Odr, with a bit of help.

        Moria sold himself short, I think, because of the horrible experience he had in the New World. He was once a rival to a current Yonkou, so his defeat probably means the Straw Hats are getting close to the Yonkou. Now, they needed some help, so they aren't quite on Yonkou level yet I think. But I doubt that the only pirates in the New World are the Yonkou, or that any pirate not quite at their strength is instantly killed.

        Remember how Smoker told Luffy he'd never make it in the Grand Line if he couldn't defeat him? Well, we all know how that turned out.

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          Why is the chinese so fast ?

          anyway, thank for the chapter

          On the last page, Kuma either blow up that whole area or tele them to somewhere else

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            @Ivotas:

            Before they get there, they should beat the crap out of Aokiji, Dragon and Whitebeard at Thriller Bark too. Since everybody thinks they are rather warmed up after their hard fight with Odz who beat the crap out of them (AFTER some of them had their single fights already) instead of worn out, why the hell should they stop after Kuma? :ermm:

            Ahhh, cam'on! I'm serious, no need for sarcasm!
            Whatever Oda do is good, but I am a little tired of the crew either being saved or running in the end of the arc.

            Being saved from Smoker by Dragon? Cool, it was a nice way of introducing Dragon and making Smoker badass without showing much fight. Smoker was even the first Logia Luffy met.

            Escaping from Hina? Cool, it was a nice touching scene with Bon Kurey, and also made Hina seem like a threat by Kurey's reaction toward her.

            Being spared by Aokiji? Wow, that Aokiji guy was badass, and made this game of pirates more dangerous. Aokiji was a taste of what was to come.

            Running away from the Buster Call? Ok, it was a losing fight against an enemy that was more than a strong fighter. Five vice-admirals and 8 Warships remaining, and the crew was exausted.

            But really… do we really need another defeat/run right now? Kuma has proved he is badass already, and has more chapters to show that he is not kidding around. And I am not even expecting to Zoro or Sanji or Usopp or whatever to solo him: I am expecting the whole crew to show him that they are not messing around either. I don't mind if Kuma retreat to appear later i nthe series, but I would like to see him realizing that he may not survive if he fights alone against the whole crew.

            By the way, in the spoiler thread it was revealed what Kuma was saying by the end. He proposes to the crew that he will let everyone go away if they surrender Luffy to him. The crew (and the Rolling Pirates) refuse, and then Kuma blows everything. That's one more reason for me to think that the crew should win: they should be able to defend the captain when he is helpless.

            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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              I… wasn't expecting the chapter cover to be colored...

              erm, spectacular chapter. Amazing quality as well. Kuma is indeed the most bad @ss thing since the automatic bread slicer knife.
              Waiting 3 more weeks is going to be painful =( But we'll just have to endure. D;

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                Ahhh, cam'on! I'm serious, no need for sarcasm!
                Whatever Oda do is good, but I am a little tired of the crew either being saved or running in the end of the arc.

                As am I. This has nothing to do with the Strawhats being ready or not, they are simply exhausted and it´d be too over the top if they now beat Kuma.

                Being saved from Smoker by Dragon? Cool, it was a nice way of introducing Dragon and making Smoker badass without showing much fight. Smoker was even the first Logia Luffy met.

                Which was the first time in hundred chapters after Alvida, Morgan, Buggy, Kuro, Krieg and Arlong (and their men) all lost without any interferances.

                Escaping from Hina? Cool, it was a nice touching scene with Bon Kurey, and also made Hina seem like a threat by Kurey's reaction toward her.

                Which was the second time after Wapol and Crocodile (and their men) got defeated in between.

                Being spared by Aokiji? Wow, that Aokiji guy was badass, and made this game of pirates more dangerous. Aokiji was a taste of what was to come.

                Which the thrid time after we Bellamy, Enel and Foxy in between. All I´m saying here that their victories outweight their loss´. And it´s quite good to see that they are not omnipotent every once in a while.

                Running away from the Buster Call? Ok, it was a losing fight against an enemy that was more than a strong fighter. Five vice-admirals and 8 Warships remaining, and the crew was exausted.

                They didn´t lose the fight though. They were able to get some BC ships nearly destroyed while riding a caravel that was breaking appart. Quite a good job for an exhausted crew.

                But really… do we really need another defeat/run right now? Kuma has proved he is badass already, and has more chapters to show that he is not kidding around. And I am not even expecting to Zoro or Sanji or Usopp or whatever to solo him: I am expecting the whole crew to show him that they are not messing around either. I don't mind if Kuma retreat to appear later i nthe series, but I would like to see him realizing that he may not survive if he fights alone against the whole crew.

                Yes, we need another defeat/run now because as I said they are friggin exhausted. Odz squashed them two times before he lost. And before Odz came they were already fighting General Zombies and their leaders. If they emerge victorious now, while being anything but fit then this would be the biggest and most ridiculous power up ever to happen in a Shonen Manga (and I know there are many of that kind already in other series).

                By the way, in the spoiler thread it was revealed what Kuma was saying by the end. He proposes to the crew that he will let everyone go away if they surrender Luffy to him. The crew (and the Rolling Pirates) refuse, and then Kuma blows everything. That's one more reason for me to think that the crew should win: they should be able to defend the captain when he is helpless.

                It´s basically the other way around as it was the case with Aokiji. Luffy went one on one so that Aokiji wouldn´t touch his crew. But Luffy still lost in the end. Don´t see why the outcome should be different if it´s just the other way around this time.

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                  Can someone explain Kuma's powers to me?

                  How do the paws and air pressure allow him to teleport himself and others? Or is he just jetting around and knocking people away a la Luffy's bazooka?

                  How did he return sanji's close combat fire kick attack and Usopp's long range phoenix star back at them?

                  And where the hell did the Bible go off to when Kuma started with the two handed slap attacks?

                  Can someone help me out here?

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                    Zoro didn't do half bad, dodging all those paws was slick!!!

                    I wonder where the fights going to go from here, that blast at the end looked pretty dangerous.

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                      @boiga:

                      Can someone explain Kuma's powers to me?

                      How do the paws and air pressure allow him to teleport himself and others? Or is he just jetting around and knocking people away a la Luffy's bazooka?

                      How did he return sanji's close combat fire kick attack and Usopp's long range phoenix star back at them?

                      And where the hell did the Bible go off to when Kuma started with the two handed slap attacks?

                      Can someone help me out here?

                      Sea turtles mate! 😉

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                        @boiga:

                        Can someone explain Kuma's powers to me?

                        How do the paws and air pressure allow him to teleport himself and others? Or is he just jetting around and knocking people away a la Luffy's bazooka?

                        How did he return sanji's close combat fire kick attack and Usopp's long range phoenix star back at them?

                        And where the hell did the Bible go off to when Kuma started with the two handed slap attacks?

                        Can someone help me out here?

                        I'm guessing his paws are super hard. And he has super "pushing" powers, so he's just pushing the stuff back at them.

                        At least that's how I think it is. It really isn't a very logical power, but it makes sense. He's pushing the air with his paws, and makes a paw shaped explosion. When he makes the big one, his paws are pushing the air together to make a really big paw.

                        Like I said, that's just how I interpret it, but who knows.

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                          Until a translation comes, Boiga, it is hard to tell.

                          From the spoiler thread, it seems that Kuma can move air at incredible (maybe light) speed, creating pressure. He can also deflect anything by moving the air in order to change the target's path. There is no explanation about what he did to Perona, and why that question he asks may be important. Some people think that maybe the bible itself may have a Devil Fruit that he uses for teleportation, but this in unconfirmed.

                          To Ivotas:
                          I am not saying that they need to knock down Kuma. But I think they should be able to stand their ground until Kuma realises that he will risking too much in this fight and goes away. Remember, Kuma was the guy who said to Moria that no outcome is sure in a fight. But whatever, it is not like I would get mad if Oda did something different than that.

                          Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                            thanks doflamingo…

                            now the excruciating wait for 485

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                              To Ivotas:
                              I am not saying that they need to knock down Kuma. But I think they should be able to stand their ground until Kuma realises that he will risking too much in this fight and goes away. Remember, Kuma was the guy who said to Moria that no outcome is sure in a fight. But whatever, it is not like I would get mad if Oda did something different than that.

                              The point is that´s exactly why it wouldn´t be good storytelling to make Kuma have anything else but the upper hand. Statements like that you can´t be sure of an outcome of a fight make him appear like a cautious character. Additionally to that he just witnessed Moria (who´s bounty exceeded his own) and Odz going down in front of the Strawhats. He most definitely won´t take them lightly even if he knows he has the upper hand now.

                              Now combine these characteristics with the fact that he a) is a "guest star" at Thriller Bark and not the actual antagonist and b) that the Strawhats are exhausted. Ok, you say that they don´t have to defeat him. But anything else then him being at superior would actually ruin what the character represents so far. It would be a far bigger waste of a character then Zommari has been in Bleach.

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                                A big thanks, now I can end this year happily 🙂

                                How many week break did Oda take again?

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                                  love the last page

                                  lolas reaction shot is awesome

                                  frankys already back up after taking a shot from kuma (!?) zoro looks like hes missing an arm(!!??)

                                  biggest cliffhanger in OP history!!!!!!

                                  [edit: i know zoros arm is fine, its just a muffed up panel]

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                                    Yeah, it does kind of look like Zoro's lost an arm in the last panel. Would be an interesting twist if he did… He'd be like Shanks.

                                    Anyway, I'm guessing in 3 weeks, the chapter's gonna pan away to elsewhere, like, for example, Shanks or Vivi, and we'll have a little Gaiden.

                                    I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                      I think not allowing a scanlation in a language for people who cant read chineese (majority of the world geographicly) seems a bit-egotistical.

                                      and no I am not ungreatefull,but messing up Kuma's face with swirly patterns like it hapened before?…....Not thankfull.

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                                        If a scan of the original Japanese print comes out, if someone would PM me a link I would be eternally grateful.

                                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                          Ahhh, thanks a bunch Doflamingo.

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                                            Rough translation from JYD at Mangahelpers:

                                            Page 1

                                            Lola Pirate A: Hey are you ok? Are you breathing?

                                            Lola Pirate B: What da hell did that guy do? He didn't even touch it but it still went through.

                                            Lola Pirate 😄 Is that his "ability"?

                                            Lola: This is not fair. For so many years…we endured inside the forest.

                                            Lola: We've just tasted a moment of happiness, but already another Shichibukai.

                                            Lola: And he's even been ordered to terminate us all!?

                                            That's shameful, knowing that the Strawhats just suffered a brutal battle.

                                            Even though we aren't the same level, but since we are not injured, we will fight you to the death. So what if you are a Shichibukai!

                                            Your bounty's not even on par with the defeated Moria's.

                                            Zoro: Enough, you guys find a place to hide. He directed called my name! Didn't you hear!?

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                                            Zoro: I'll fight without anyone's help, or else I would lose face...!!

                                            Page 3

                                            Kuma: Your guys have a high reputation, even though you are Straw Hat Luffy's nakama,

                                            Kuma: A few of you underlings are excellent fighters as well.

                                            Lola: DON'T GET DRUNK WITH HAPPINESS WITH SUCH MEASLY COMPLIAMENTS

                                            Kuma: You guys have done a lot.

                                            Kuma: Your crew's increasing reputation cannot be attributed to Straw Hat Luffy's alone.

                                            Usopp: Hey Zoro, its dangerous to fight him. Even your bones are heavily injured.

                                            Zoro: You can't always have it good. Sometimes you've gotta take it bad to balance things out.

                                            Zoro: If I die, then so be it.

                                            Page 4

                                            Zoro: Nitoryuu iai

                                            Zoro: Rashomon

                                            Page 5

                                            Zoro: What was that?

                                            Page 6

                                            Zoro: ...pant...pant...

                                            Usopp: Look, nothing there, but he hit him with thin air?

                                            Nami: What the heck was that? His "ability"? What was that on the tiles?

                                            Page 7

                                            Lola Pirates: Look, that palm.

                                            Lola Pirates: Meat pads?

                                            Lola Pirates: How can a human palm have pads?

                                            Zoro: Thirty-six pound...

                                            Zoro: HOU (Cannon)

                                            Page 8

                                            Lola: Wha...

                                            DANGER!!!

                                            Chopper: Zoro's slash just bounced off of his hand. Can something like that be done?

                                            Zoro: So that's your ability huh?

                                            Zoro: The ability to reflect away everything you touch.

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                                            Kuma: I ate the "Nikyu Nikyu no mi"

                                            Kuma: I am a Nikyu Nikyu human.

                                            Sanji: Nikyu?

                                            Usopp: Nikyu human!?

                                            Nami: Such a cute name.

                                            Franky: Do Devil Fruits have a "kawaii" type as well?

                                            Franky: Even though he's a shichibukai, but he is rather humble.

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                                            FRANKY!!!

                                            Kuma: "Cyborg" Franky. Is that the most you can do?

                                            Robin: Perhaps he's striking out a big air pressure cannon. To Franky, a normal cannon doesn't affect him.

                                            Kuma: This is called "pressure cannon". Using light speed strikes to the air around me, I can create a strong blast of air waves that goes through a human body.

                                            Kuma: Well, let us get warmed up.

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                                            Kuma: "Hundred Palm Pressure Cannon" (literal translation)

                                            Page 12

                                            Usopp: ZORO, even his sword slashes are blasted away.

                                            Page 13

                                            Lola Pirates: No more, he cannot fight anymore. To be able to fight until now is a miracle itself. By taking those strikes previously from Oz can kill a normal human multiple times already.

                                            Usopp: Zoro, behind you, DODGE.

                                            Sanji: ENOUGH

                                            Sanji: <<move name="">> (rough shoot?!?)

                                            Page 14

                                            Chopper: Hey Sanji.

                                            Usopp: He did not get reflected off by his ability. That kick must've cracked Kuma's skull.

                                            Zoro: Mind your own business, curly brows.

                                            Kuma: Black leg Sanji. So its you, no wonder.

                                            Usopp: Even after taking Sanji's kick, he still looks like he's unaffected. Impossible.

                                            Sanji: What da hell!? That guy is very hard!! He is made of iron?

                                            Page 15

                                            Usopp: Fire...Fire...Firebird Star!!!

                                            Kuma: ...Sogeking...

                                            Kuma: You are all injured. Kill you all now is meaningless.

                                            Kuma: The world government's orders are for all of you to be slaughtered.

                                            What is he doing? I see a weird layer of air, and its getting smaller by the minute.

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                                            Sanji: Using his ability to shoot air pressure, he's creating a huge air layer to increase the pressure.

                                            Robin: But so much air pressure bunched together, means that he's creating a massive pressure cannon. Its a bomb.

                                            Usopp: A bomb, so you mean...he's making a bomb?

                                            Kuma: All your lives I can spare...

                                            Kuma: However...

                                            Kuma: Leave me Straw Hat Luffy's head.

                                            Kuma: Only with his head will the government agree to stop persuing this matter.

                                            Usopp: So we have to betray our nakama...

                                            Kuma: Well...hand over Straw Hat to me

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                                            NEVER!!!

                                            Kuma: That's a shame.

                                            Kuma: Kuma PRESSURE BOMB!!! (Trans Note: Crappy movename translation, i know)</move>

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                                              Awesome.

                                              I loved when Sanji nearly broke his foot trying to kick Kuma.

                                              the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                Kuma Pressure Bomb sounds pretty cool to me.

                                                I loved how Kuma is calling them all by their bounty nicknames.

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                                                  Nice. Interesting to hear Lola's pirates specifically mention Kuma's lower bounty.

                                                  I found the comments on Kuma's fruit model quite funny. Still have no idea how it works, but it's interesting.

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                                                    Hahaha, so now we have a Bear Bomb. Good shit.

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                                                      does his fruit let him control air pressure? or is he just hitting the air really quickly?
                                                      Bah! three weeks? damn.

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                                                          Awesome power, will Luffy get up and fight Kuma ?

                                                          All the people are KO because of Kuma
                                                          Luffy gets up
                                                          Luffy : who are u ?
                                                          Kuma : A SCBK who will take care all of you
                                                          Luffy look around and see everyone lay on the ground and he's very angry
                                                          Luffy : punch Kuma but he can not lay a finger on Kuma
                                                          Kuma : you will never hit me
                                                          Lyffy : GEAR 2 !
                                                          Kuma can't defend himself because he can't see where Luffy is

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                                                            Brooke will live the attack, everyone else will die.

                                                            Brooke will reveal that much like himself he can make them all come back alive using his Devil Fruit. Problem is it can only be done once, so they all come back alive and Brooke can no longer bring any StrawHat back from the dead, so it doesn't become DBZ.

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                                                              @Shishou:

                                                              Brooke will live the attack, everyone else will die.

                                                              Brooke will reveal that much like himself he can make them all come back alive using his Devil Fruit. Problem is it can only be done once, so they all come back alive and Brooke can no longer bring any StrawHat back from the dead, so it doesn't become DBZ.

                                                              Haven't heard that theory before, but it would quite interesting if it happened.

                                                              I have a new weird theory about Kuma's fruit. The idea is that the fruit was used by someone in the WG way in the past, and was part of the basis for the Rokushiki techniques that CP9 uses. Rokushiki being the result of a special training technique that allows for weaker versions of the Devil's Fruit powers to be used by other people.

                                                              Kuma's "teleportation" is the base of Soru. His surviving Sanji's kick with no effect is the technique that led to Tekkai. His pressure gun and air manipulation led to the creation of Shigan, Rankyaku, Geppou, and Rokuougan. Kami-e was developed from some ability of Kuma's fruit that we have yet to see.

                                                              Related to this theory, but potentially separate, is the idea that Kuma's fruit is in fact in a 4th class of Devil's Fruit.

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                                                                Thanks for the translation, Aldrich. I'm getting a better understanding of Kuma's power, and it's incredible. Who would've thought that he'd climb to second place on my list of favorite Shichibukai with one chapter?

                                                                Rappin' Chopper:

                                                                "Yo; I was a reindeer livin' out in 'da snow! But then this old geeza' doctor brought me into his home! After healin' my wounds, I felt real phat. Then, old docta' Hiruk gave me this blingin' hat! My family beat me, shunt me, but it's all tight. Because I'm doin' my doctor remedies all night. I look like freak with my Human Human fruit. But now I'm with some gangsta' pirates who like to steal loot! All the girls like my blue nose. Yeah; it's the way that I get the Record scratching. Usopp's the guy with all 'da glory. He's my main man with all his tight stories. Zolo's Santoryu skills are on ice. You betta' watch out, or you gonna get sliced! Sanji's the cook servin' up the main dish. Don't mess with him, unless that's your wish. Luffy's 'da captain with the straw hat! His Gum Gum skills are real real tight. Vivi's the princess of Alabasta. Now we gotta head there, and we betta' do it faster!"

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                                                                  awsome chapter, shouldn't we be getting a new cover story next chapter?

                                                                  God makes the food.. and the devil makes the spices…Looks like it was too hot for you - Sanji

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                                                                    @Mad_Scientist:

                                                                    Haven't heard that theory before, but it would quite interesting if it happened.

                                                                    I have a new weird theory about Kuma's fruit. The idea is that the fruit was used by someone in the WG way in the past, and was part of the basis for the Rokushiki techniques that CP9 uses. Rokushiki being the result of a special training technique that allows for weaker versions of the Devil's Fruit powers to be used by other people.

                                                                    Kuma's "teleportation" is the base of Soru. His surviving Sanji's kick with no effect is the technique that led to Tekkai. His pressure gun and air manipulation led to the creation of Shigan, Rankyaku, Geppou, and Rokuougan. Kami-e was developed from some ability of Kuma's fruit that we have yet to see.

                                                                    Related to this theory, but potentially separate, is the idea that Kuma's fruit is in fact in a 4th class of Devil's Fruit.

                                                                    Can I scream loudly at you over the internet?

                                                                    This is the worst idea ever.

                                                                    The point of all of those attacks where they were simply "super"human. they CAN'T be some product of DF. Because 1) They would have mentioned that 2) Some of the CP9 kids had other DFs 3) What the hell are you smoking? 4) there is no fourth class of DF. That would be the worst plot hole yet.

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                                                                    I fuck my mom and then suck on my own dick.

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                                                                      That's not such a far fetched idea – the similarities are definitely there. Not saying it's anywhere near likely, though.

                                                                      But yeah, a fourth kind of Devil Fruit is just dumb.

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                                                                        Kuma's fruit is a paramecia class. It's so strong because Kuma's strong. If Kuma were on placed in a catagory for power, he would be in the OMG catagory along with logia users.

                                                                        Anyway, Puni is such a cute:wub: and hilarious😆 title.

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                                                                          Yay. The chapter sounds fun - it's a shame that I have to wait so long for more though.

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                                                                          And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.

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                                                                            Wow, Kuma is awesome.

                                                                            However, Brooke concerns me a little more. Yes, he was in the chapter, yet, does anyone find it weird that he didn't say anything? Or that he didn't even move? Considering that everyone is stunned by Kuma, it seems odd, and the fact that Oda draw him I think means that he simply didn't forget to give him a part in this chapter. Hell, he could have easily been in the group shots, yet wasn't.

                                                                            That skeleton's up to something.

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                                                                              Lola : Your bounty's not even on par with the defeated Moria's.

                                                                              She sure knows lot of stuffs.For a pirate to be at where they are right now,I'm not surprise if Lola's bounty is higher than we all expected or the fact that she's been to the New World.

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                                                                                I think that being able to push air and compress air are part of the fruits powers, but the strength of the punch and the shockwave are due to Kuma's own strength. I'm not surprised that hes so strong with a 20 ft tall body and an intimidating upper body. The hardness of his body and his teleportation may be due to his own ability. And if you say he cant move fast because he has small legs compared to his body, look at Luffy. He's short and skinny but he's one of the strongest pirates in One Piece.

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                                                                                  I have to agree that teleportation and a true iron defense are abilities not from DF. The nikyu fruit only allows Kuma to use air pressure to attack. However, I don't really think Kuma's attacks move at light speed since physically that doesn't make sense. It does make sense that air pressure waves can move extremely fast.

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                                                                                    Well, we still need to explain how Kuma teleported Perona away.

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                                                                                      @skarlath:

                                                                                      Can I scream loudly at you over the internet?

                                                                                      This is the worst idea ever.

                                                                                      The point of all of those attacks where they were simply "super"human. they CAN'T be some product of DF. Because 1) They would have mentioned that 2) Some of the CP9 kids had other DFs 3) What the hell are you smoking? 4) there is no fourth class of DF. That would be the worst plot hole yet.

                                                                                      Hey, my idea isn't THAT bad. 😁 Anyways, I think you misunderstood. Some members of CP9 having their own fruits would mean nothing, because I was simply speculating that the Rokushiki techniques were inspired by the abilities of a particular fruit. It would be no different than if someone saw Luffy's Gear 2 technique and the way it increased his blood flow and performance, and developed a drug that produced similar effects. (Albiet weaker effects that a non-rubber body could survive.)

                                                                                      As for the 4th class of Devil's Fruit, that wasn't totally serious, but was inspired by the comments about how cute a name Kuma's fruit had, and Franky's question about a "cute" class of fruits. I just thought it would be funny if Kuma's fruit actually was in its own class. And really, has it ever been specifically stated by Oda that there are only 3 types of fruits? Maybe it was in a SBS, but assuming it hasn't been stated, the possibility of a 4th, extremely rare type, isn't too far fetched. After all, not all that much is known about Devil's Fruits in the OP world, and there are misconceptions and myths about them as well.

                                                                                      Now, I don't know what would be different about Kuma's fruit that would separate it from a paramecia type. So it being in a different class isn't something I expect.

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                                                                                        Yeah, that's probably what has me puzzled the most. Everything else is something I could easily wait 3 weeks to find out.

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                                                                                          this chapter should be called punani
                                                                                          find it much more fitting, myself

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                                                                                            I dunno is he just teleporting air to make all that shockwawe

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                                                                                              Coo chapter, me likes how Zoro didn't get WTF pwned, but instead put up a good fight.

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                                                                                                Damn those shitty jojohot scan. Fuck you, chinese bastards.

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                                                                                                  Damn those shitty jojohot scan. Fuck you, chinese bastards.

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                                                                                                  s'on bitches
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                                                                                                  be happy you got a chapter, little friend

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                                                                                                    @Cyringohn:

                                                                                                    That's not such a far fetched idea – the similarities are definitely there. Not saying it's anywhere near likely, though.

                                                                                                    But yeah, a fourth kind of Devil Fruit is just dumb.

                                                                                                    Was not Moria already the closest thing to a fourth type? :wassat:

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                                                                                                      Moria is a Paramecium.

                                                                                                      The Paramecium category is a dump for everything that isn't an animal or element. It's purposefully vague so that it can include everything that isn't one of those two.

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                                                                                                        Oh, yeah, I know, that's why I was wondering why he used Kuma as an example when Moria fitted far better in that crazy theory, but yeah, you could even say that Buggy would be "logia-ish" if he masters such things as particular division…

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