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      Tommy Swoes @Tsukento
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      "Prince of Retardia" should have just been "Prince of Idiots" or "Prince of Idiot Kingdom." This one came from some random ass group. I forget which.

      That reminds me when I watched the K-F fansub of the Rainbow Mist filler, and Zoro said, "what a couple of retards." I just thought that was funny.

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      Don't be sad because all your friends hate you, they're all just trendy assholes! =D

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        I don't remember the exact line in Japanese off the top of my head. Does anyone know it?

        Originally Posted by Silence

        And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.

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          I think that banning poll should of caused ban for the entire forum.

          All I see in here is "Lobster's so full of shit," and Lobster ignoring them/posting brain-dead retarded images of the former Strawhat that he helped everyone hate.

          As for the topic, no, they won't; contrary to what you want to think, One Piece will probably not get an extra slot in the near future (most likely because the FUNi dub hasn't had as much time as, say, Viz with narootoo).

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            Depends. I'll give a good example. Episode 102, when Luffy's flipping out and imagines Zoro is Crocodile.

            "Omae wa ore ga buttobasu!"

            K-F translated this as "You're gonna get your ass kicked!"

            Close but no cigar. "Omae wa" is referring to Zorodile. "Ore ga" is relating to Luffy. "Buttobasu" basically means to beat up, clobber, pound, yadda yadda yadda.

            So when you put it all together, Luffy's really saying "You're gonna get beat up by me!" or something else of that nature.

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              Depends. I'll give a good example. Episode 102, when Luffy's flipping out and imagines Zoro is Crocodile.

              "Omae wa ore ga buttobasu!"

              K-F translated this as "You're gonna get your ass kicked!"

              Close but no cigar. "Omae wa" is referring to Zorodile. "Ore ga" is relating to Luffy. "Buttobasu" basically means to beat up, clobber, pound, yadda yadda yadda.

              So when you put it all together, Luffy's really saying "You're gonna get beat up by me!" or something else of that nature.

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                I meant the Prince line.

                Originally Posted by Silence

                And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.

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                  So if [Japanese word] means 'clobber', 'beat up', ect., how does 'kick his ass' not fall into that list?

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                    You guys know I was just kidding before, right? I'm not one of those freaky fanboys who get upset over every little change. I'm just kind of annoyed at Viz's policies.

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                      @MB1456:

                      Zorodile?
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                      Zorodile = Zoro + Luffy's cracked out vision of seeing Crocodile = Zorodile. 😁

                      @dirt:

                      I meant the Prince line.

                      I can't type up the whole line, but I can get the most important part. "Ahou oukoku" is what Zoro says as the insult towards Sanji. "Ahou" basically less tame than the typical "baka" (which in English is basically saying that "idiot" is a harsher word to use towards someone than "stupid" is). "Oukoku" is just straight up "kingdom."

                      After looking around, I found K-F used "Dumbass Kingdom," which just furthers the idea of opting to use swears just for the sake of doing it.

                      @Shakidna_:

                      So if [Japanese word] means 'clobber', 'beat up', ect., how does 'kick his ass' not fall into that list?

                      It mainly boils down to the fact that One Piece is a kid's show. Since the target audience is mainly for kids (ATTENTION OLDER FOLKS: DO NOT OVERREACT! A KIDS SHOW CAN BE ENJOYED BY OLDER VIEWERS TOO!), obviously the language is not going to be over the top and out right crude.

                      One Piece's target audience is the same as that of Dragon Ball's and Naruto's. Dragon Ball even has the line "buttobashi" in its opening, which translated to "All the while pounding on mutants and monsters."

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                        I couldnt care less about Naruto to tell the truth.

                        I stopped caring about Naruto when the first part was over. Shippuden is actually very slow and boring Imo. One Piece Storyline is better than it by far. 😄

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                          @Jay_n_Silentbob:

                          I think that banning poll should of caused ban for the entire forum.

                          All I see in here is "Lobster's so full of shit," and Lobster ignoring them/posting brain-dead retarded images of the former Strawhat that he helped everyone hate.

                          As for the topic, no, they won't; contrary to what you want to think, One Piece will probably not get an extra slot in the near future (most likely because the FUNi dub hasn't had as much time as, say, Viz with narootoo).

                          Okay. Personally before Enies Lobby start I hope we get an extra slot.

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                            When did doing anything for free = not being lazy?

                            It always does. How would it be considered lazy, if you are WORKING for FREE, when you DON'T HAVE TO. For fansubbers to do what they do, they must put themselves at risk. They get no reward either in return. It's messed up when people like you call them crap when they try just as hard, or even harder to give fans what they already have.

                            Didn't know you had to be paid to be lazy.

                            That's the irony. The people being paid SHOULDN'T be lazy

                            …What?

                            4Kids dubbed them as "Merman" first. K-F said that they saw that as the closest English term to the word, and went with it as well.

                            That was it. "Oi" and "yosh" go untranslated virtually all the time.

                            Like people don't know what that means? Honestly… do you complain when Doro the Explorer says, "let's vamos"?

                            One Piece is a kid's show

                            Well, Japan is clearly more lenient on things then in America. Blood and impaling would never be accepted in American kid shows. I know that alot of the insults are translated by subbers into "American curses", but are there any actual "Japanese curse words" in One Piece?… Because it's hard to tell at times when words like "kuso" literally mean the crap, and such. And what about words like "damm*it? I've even seen that used in Kirby subs. Would the meaning be less significant in Japan?

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                              😁 😁 😁 😁 😁

                              This may not be important to you but it is to me. 🙂 There is over 1,500 views in this Thread. People really care about how other companies like Viz and Toonami are Treating the Pirate Kings Anime. 😁

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                                4Kids dubbed them as "Merman" first. K-F said that they saw that as the closest English term to the word, and went with it as well.

                                Which is incorrect no matter how you slice it. Gyojin (魚人) isn't the same as Ningyo (人魚). As I said, some better research could have been done. It took me a mere few minutes to look up mermaid and then the term Gyojin to see that it's a play of itself and merely in reverse, in both name and actual creatures.

                                @Lobster:

                                Like people don't know what that means? Honestly… do you complain when Doro the Explorer says "vamos"?!

                                Except Dora the Explorer is an animated little girl made to teach Spanish.

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                                  No, they aren't.

                                  Not when you have scanlators/fansubbers opting for swears instead of actual translations, or using 1337 speak, or disregarding that "Kaigun" translates to Navy and NOT Marines, failure to translate certain Japanese words out of sheer laziness (oi, baka, nakama, ossan, etc), calling Arlong and his group "Merman" instead of "Fishmen."

                                  Wait, is not OI also used in english? At least I saw it on some books in english that I bought a while ago.

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                                    Lobster… KF got to the Arlong arc BEFORE 4kids. They used "Merman" way before 4Kids did.

                                    So that's obviously not the reason. They messed up.

                                    And it's annoying that they leave certain words that can be translated properly untranslated. Yeah, they can do what they want since it's free.

                                    But it's still annoying.

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                                      @Kaimei-Karasuhebi:

                                      Wait, is not OI also used in english? At least I saw it on some books in english that I bought a while ago.

                                      Can't say I've ever heard anyone in my lifetime say "Oi" and speak English without "vey" being attached afterwards or without them coming from another country.

                                      Since "Oi" in the Japanese language means "Hey!", it can very well be translated.

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                                        I don't generally like cursing but prince of retardia had me rolling i don't mind litte cursing here and there just not all the time or overboard like that fuck fest of cursing gerusama made Usopp do

                                        They used the word fuck… ONCE... IN 40 EPISODES. How is that "going overboard" or a "fuck fest of cursing"? I've even seen Kaizoku-Fansubs use more curses than that. (Example: There was a scene in movie 4 where Shuraya said something like "Shut up!" and they translated it to "Fuck you!")

                                        By the way, did anyone else notice that this thread has been completely off-topic for several pages?

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                                          failure to translate certain Japanese words out of sheer laziness (oi, baka, nakama, ossan, etc)

                                          While I agree that K-F's translating practices shouldn't be used for official translations, I wouldn't necessarily call their leaving certain words untranslated a sign of laziness. Especially considering they (likely) started back in 2000 as a tight knit group of Japanese animation nerds, I think their preference of leaving certain words untranslated (particularly "nakama") most likely stemmed from their preference of keeping an essence Japanese culture within the translation. Basically, it's more of an otaku influence than anything.

                                          The whole navy/marine mistake is news to me, though. Still, an understandable mistake since "MARINE" is plastered all over the manga and anime.

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                                            @Mr.:

                                            The whole navy/marine mistake is news to me, though. Still, an understandable mistake since "MARINE" is plastered all over the manga and anime.

                                            It's really something that catches most people off guard. Most people watching won't have a real full grasp of Japanese, so they'll go by what the subtitles are given to them or what they see written on the screen/pages.

                                            Hate to bring it up, but it really is similar to the whole "Believe it!" and "Dattebayo!" business in Naruto. Most folks coming from the Japanese fansubs to the English dub will pick up on "Believe it!" and ridicule it. Mainly because "dattebayo" as a word couldn't be translated on its own and as such, folks watching fansubs tend to read more than listen to the audio and won't pick up on the fact that Naruto's "Believe it!" was pretty much said on a constant basis due to Japanese Naruto saying "dattebayo" or "-tebayo" at the end of every sentence.

                                            Make no mistake, my Japanese is HELLA limited, but I do tend to pick up on a few of these things. Just wanna get that cleared up. :s

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                                              Can't say I've ever heard anyone in my lifetime say "Oi" and speak English without "vey" being attached afterwards or without them coming from another country.

                                              Since "Oi" in the Japanese language means "Hey!", it can very well be translated.

                                              Because "hey" is the American version of the same basic thing. You won't hear "oi" said in America, but you may here it in Britain, Ireland, or Australia.

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                                                @Vegard:

                                                They used the word fuck… ONCE... IN 40 EPISODES. How is that "going overboard" or a "fuck fest of cursing"? I've even seen Kaizoku-Fansubs use more curses than that. (Example: There was a scene in movie 4 where Shuraya said something like "Shut up!" and they translated it to "Fuck you!")

                                                The Fuck fest was when Usopp cursed Franky for the boat, half his sentence contained most of the word

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                                                  @Vegard:

                                                  They used the word fuck… ONCE... IN 40 EPISODES. How is that "going overboard" or a "fuck fest of cursing"? I've even seen Kaizoku-Fansubs use more curses than that. (Example: There was a scene in movie 4 where Shuraya said something like "Shut up!" and they translated it to "Fuck you!")

                                                  The Fuck fest was when Usopp cursed Franky for the boat, half his sentence contained most of the word

                                                  NO HE DIDN'T. I just checked that scene, and I can confirm it: they did not translate it to "Shut the fuck up you fucking bastard, I don't fucking care about your fucking opinion", like you're making it seem like they did. I repeat: They used the word ONE TIME.

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                                                    K-F does Decent, it is kinda wierd that they leave Certain things untranslated (Nakama for Ex) but mostly, from what I've seen they only really leave Honorifics like San, Chan, Kun, and Ossan (the way Luffy uses it mostly is as an Honorific, IE: Ice-ossan) And, personally, with the Exception of Ossan, I don't think there really IS a way of translating All of those properly (Kun especially) so I agree with honorifics staying.
                                                    Oi IS english, Just not American-english, and I remember back when the Whole "FUNi might shut down K-F" Scare happened, someone brought up "They won't be able to, since K-F isn't based in America". So it's possible they live in an area where Oi is common in English, and thusly use it as though it's normal.
                                                    Now, as for Baka, and Nakama, and stuff… well... I think they should translate those... but Dythm said somewhere, that the choices to leave those things weren't his, they were another founder of the group's that has long since left, and they're now trying to slowly phase out the phrases (watch their newer stuff, they use them less frequently, and just plain translate them sometimes) Dythm said that they don't want to just STOP because there are still people in the fanbase who like them, so they are aiming to please everybody.
                                                    And as for the people bitching about Swear words. Sometimes they ARE appropriate. It's all about Context, and vulgarity.
                                                    For example. there are SEVERAL different Words for "You": Anata, Kimi & Anta, Omae, Teme, Kisama, In order from most Proper, to least Vulgar. (I may be missing some, but these are enough to prove my point)
                                                    Anata is proper and Nice, Anta and Kimi are Informal, you use them between Friends, Omae is Vulgar, you'd use this with someone you don't particularly like, or if you're just a vulgar cad (Luffy uses this almost all the time) and then There's "Teme" and "Kisama", you use these when you want to REALLY insult somebody. Teme (from what I've seen) is mostly used when adressing Girls, and Kisama is Towards guys. they're basically an Insult, so it's actually more correct to translate them as "You Bitch" "You Bastard" or simply "Bitch" and "Bastard". If you don't somehow make those into an insult, it's actually WRONG, since they are VERY vulgar insults. Translating Luffy's famous line "I'm gonna kick his ass" is actually MORE appropriate because of how Vulgar Luffy usually speaks (using "Ore" and "Omae" all the time)
                                                    IE, if Luffy used "Watashi" or "Boku" for I, and "Anata" or "kimi" for you, I'd say make it "I'm gona clobber you" or "I'll send you flying!" but it's just not like that.

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                                                      @Demon:

                                                      K-F does Decent, it is kinda wierd that they leave Certain things untranslated (Nakama for Ex) but mostly, from what I've seen they only really leave Honorifics like San, Chan, Kun, and Ossan (the way Luffy uses it mostly is as an Honorific, IE: Ice-ossan) And, personally, with the Exception of Ossan, I don't think there really IS a way of translating All of those properly (Kun especially) so I agree with honorifics staying.

                                                      Never really said honorifics should be translated. Either keep them or don't.

                                                      However, "ossan" pretty much comes off as Luffy's way of being rather informal and is pretty much always used on someone older than he is. It's pretty much basically him calling them by the title "old man." So we would have "Giant Old Man" for Dorry and Broggy, "Weird Old Man" for Gan Fall, "Old Man Ice" for Iceburg and so forth.

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                                                      And as for the people bitching about Swear words. Sometimes they ARE appropriate. It's all about Context, and vulgarity.

                                                      For example. there are SEVERAL different Words for "You": Anata, Kimi & Anta, Omae, Teme, Kisama, In order from most Proper, to least Vulgar. (I may be missing some, but these are enough to prove my point)

                                                      They're not exactly vulgur but more among the lines of being rather rude sounding or used in angry tones. Either way, this IS a kids show so they're not going to flat out use curse words to the degree K-F and other fansubbers of shounen anime have opted to do. There will be times when "damn" and sometimes even "bastard" would be used, but for the most part "damn" is the only one that really is ever mostly used out of swears. Anything else would be more inappropriate given the target audience.

                                                      It's really odd when you see a fansub for a non-shounen anime that has the same kind of tone used but can actually refrain from having the characters curse.

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                                                      Anata is proper and Nice, Anta and Kimi are Informal, you use them between Friends, Omae is Vulgar, you'd use this with someone you don't particularly like, or if you're just a vulgar cad (Luffy uses this almost all the time)

                                                      It's not vulgar. It's just rude. o_o

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                                                      and then There's "Teme" and "Kisama", you use these when you want to REALLY insult somebody. Teme (from what I've seen) is mostly used when adressing Girls, and Kisama is Towards guys.

                                                      Neither is gender related. They're pretty much used towards and by anyone. Though since we're talking about shounen series' like One Piece, you'll mostly hear it from guys. Either way, they're generally used in the form of an angry and rude tone. You'll usually hear it among the lines of a really angry sounding "Why you…!"

                                                      @Demon:

                                                      they're basically an Insult, so it's actually more correct to translate them as "You Bitch" "You Bastard" or simply "Bitch" and "Bastard". If you don't somehow make those into an insult, it's actually WRONG, since they are VERY vulgar insults.

                                                      While that would seem logical, I really hate to stress the fact that this is a kids show and all that. Blah blah blah.

                                                      And that's not necessarily true that you HAVE to make it an insult, considering that would be half-assed translating by not putting forth any thought into it at all.

                                                      @Demon:

                                                      Translating Luffy's famous line "I'm gonna kick his ass" is actually MORE appropriate because of how Vulgar Luffy usually speaks (using "Ore" and "Omae" all the time)

                                                      Sorry, but that's highly out of character for Luffy. Luffy's character is VERY similar to Son Goku's when it comes to fighting other people. Both characters use the same terms and what not, but for the most part "kicking ass" is actually not entirely correct as it doesn't fit their characters.

                                                      Granted, Goku speaks incorrectly at times due to how he grew up (using "Ora" and "Ome" instead of the more correct "Ore" and "Omae"), but they both say basically the same thing. The word "butobassu" is ALWAYS ending up being translated as "kicking ass" when the word DOES have an actual meaning behind it. The term is usually used in terms of just beating away at an opponent or as a decleration of giving them a beating. "I'm gonna kick your ass" really does sound highly out of character for people like Goku and Luffy, and especially Naruto as they're all likely to go with "I'm going to be the one send you flying/to beat you up/to clobber you/to pound you."

                                                      Hell, the really angry sounding toned ones could be translated as "I'm going to beat the hell out of you."

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                                                      IE, if Luffy used "Watashi" or "Boku" for I, and "Anata" or "kimi" for you, I'd say make it "I'm gona clobber you" or "I'll send you flying!" but it's just not like that.

                                                      No, because "Watashi," "Boku," "Anata" and "Kimi" are all used in formal manners. Luffy is far from formal. But that doesn't mean they're used in vulgar manners as you've been suggesting. 😕 Rude, yes. Vulgar, no.

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                                                        You won't hear "oi" said in America

                                                        I here it alot o_o

                                                        Wait… Tsukento... you didn't answer the other part of my post.

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                                                        One Piece is a kids show

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                                                        Well, Japan is clearly more lenient on things then in America. Blood and impaling would never be accepted in American kid shows. I know that alot of the insults are translated by subbers into "American curses", but are there any actual "Japanese curse words" in One Piece?… Because it's hard to tell at times when words like "kuso" literally mean the crap, and such. And what about words like "damm*it? I've even seen that used in Kirby subs. Would the meaning be less significant in Japan?

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                                                          I'm not sure if the Japanese language has any real curse words. At the very least, they don't use 'em in One Piece.

                                                          "Kuso" can simply be translated as "crap" (as FUNi and Viz have done). Or, really, you don't even have to translate it that clearly. "Kuso" is usually used in the vein of saying "darn" or something like that. So you can translate it a number of ways.

                                                          Yes, it can be translated as "shit"… But you normally wouldn't hear that word in a show aimed at kids like One Piece is, so it's better to translate it as something else.

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                                                            I'm not sure if the Japanese language has any real curse words. At the very least, they don't use 'em in One Piece.

                                                            Can I get any conformation on this?

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                                                              They have them, but you generally don't hear them much at all.

                                                              Like RomanGod said, you'll mostly hear words that can be translated in many different ways.

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                                                                They aren't swear words. Japenese people just generally talk in varying states of politeness and rudeness.

                                                                Sanji just talks in a very rude way -along with Luffy, Zoro, Franky, and Usopp - but he adds in the word "kuso" constantly which is "shit," "crap," and/or "feces."

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                                                                And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.

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                                                                  Wow, it's pretty amazing how this thread has degenerated into a debate over the legitimacy of K-F fansubs.

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                                                                    The only good Naruto filler (during the 1-2 year filler season), is when Sasuke, Kabuto, and Lord Orochimaru go out to the grocery store to get some snacks.

                                                                    Bonding time FTW!!~ 😮

                                                                    What episode # is that? (I stopped watching Naruto shortly after the fillers started)

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                                                                        Please get back on topic. We are not talking about Kaizoku Fansubs here.

                                                                        I feel "sad". 9 people dont like me. (T_T)

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                                                                          Please get back on topic. We are not talking about Kaizoku Fansubs here.

                                                                          I feel "sad". 9 people dont like me. (T_T)

                                                                          Yeah, I don't hate you.
                                                                          Anyway, it'll be a while before we get two episodes back again.

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                                                                            Hey guys…let's not go back to the "ask a mod before starting a poll rule", k?
                                                                            This one is kind of silly. Not to mention we have way too many similar threads about FUNimation popping up.

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                                                                              It mainly boils down to the fact that One Piece is a kid's show. Since the target audience is mainly for kids (ATTENTION OLDER FOLKS: DO NOT OVERREACT! A KIDS SHOW CAN BE ENJOYED BY OLDER VIEWERS TOO!), obviously the language is not going to be over the top and out right crude.

                                                                              The world would be a better place if kid's shows could use whatever words they want regularly and still be kid's shows, and K-F realizes that.

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                                                                                Why the hell would it matter? How would that make the world better?

                                                                                They spice up the script. Which means that it originally didn't have harsh language like that. End.

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                                                                                  to Add to what I was talking about, and what Tsukuneko said about my post earlier.
                                                                                  One thing you, and most people Fail to realize, is that One Piece, and all shounen manga and the animes based on them, are intended for Children IN JAPAN. In Japan, they have different Rules Vs Rules in America! Why do you think FUNi has to edit blood out, and change references to god, and have flashes at the punches?
                                                                                  DEATH NOTE is a Kids Manga/show in Japan. It was printed in the SAME magazine, for the SAME audience! now, let me direct you to one of the Lyrics to the Anime's 2nd Opening: "Hey Yeah Ningen Sucker, Hey Yeah Ningen Fucker"
                                                                                  So… yeah. FORGET the kids Show stuff, I'm getting SICK of people saying that. OP IS a kids show, IN JAPAN!! But By American Standards, between the Blood, and the Violence, it's NOT a kids show. It's a Teenager show at best. Otherwise, Why does FUNi have to edit so much?

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                                                                                    I must add that Death Note really is an oddball of a manga. Despite having been in Shounen Jump, it had the most mature theme out of all the other manga it was being printed with at the time. Hell, it aired at 12:56am in Japan when the anime was airing.

                                                                                    I'd say THAT is an example of borderline teenager territory, while others like One Piece are pretty much dead on for kids.

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                                                                                      to Add to what I was talking about, and what Tsukuneko said about my post earlier.
                                                                                      One thing you, and most people Fail to realize, is that One Piece, and all shounen manga and the animes based on them, are intended for Children IN JAPAN. In Japan, they have different Rules Vs Rules in America! Why do you think FUNi has to edit blood out, and change references to god, and have flashes at the punches?
                                                                                      DEATH NOTE is a Kids Manga/show in Japan. It was printed in the SAME magazine, for the SAME audience! now, let me direct you to one of the Lyrics to the Anime's 2nd Opening: "Hey Yeah Ningen Sucker, Hey Yeah Ningen Fucker"
                                                                                      So… yeah. FORGET the kids Show stuff, I'm getting SICK of people saying that. OP IS a kids show, IN JAPAN!! But By American Standards, between the Blood, and the Violence, it's NOT a kids show. It's a Teenager show at best. Otherwise, Why does FUNi have to edit so much?

                                                                                      Because you have to look past content.

                                                                                      One Piece's whole feel emits that it's a kids show.

                                                                                      FUNi knows it. That's why the pitched the show to CN. Yeah, they may have to edit a few things to satisfy the censors here… But that doesn't mean One Piece isn't a kids show.

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                                                                                        What exactly makes a show a kids show? If movie 8 is rated PG13, in America, then it isn't considered a kids show. Maybe by Japanese standards it is a kids show, but by American standards it is not a kids show.

                                                                                        With the current episodes on Tonnami being raited PG, then the uncuts will certainly PG13. (like the movie)

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                                                                                          Why the hell would it matter? How would that make the world better?

                                                                                          They spice up the script. Which means that it originally didn't have harsh language like that. End.

                                                                                          It originally didn't have English words, so yeah it didn't originally have phrases like "kick your ass", but it did have the Japanese equivalent.

                                                                                          It's not 'spicing it up' if they don't even change anything from what it originally was.

                                                                                          And oh well if bad words hurt your ears, they're accurate.

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                                                                                            It originally didn't have English words, so yeah it didn't originally have phrases like "kick your ass", but it did have the Japanese equivalent.

                                                                                            It's not 'spicing it up' if they don't even change anything from what it originally was.

                                                                                            And oh well if bad words hurt your ears, they're accurate.

                                                                                            It is spicing it up.

                                                                                            What Luffy says in Japanese COULD be translated as ""I'm going to kick your ass!" 'cause what he essentially says in Japanese is "I'm going to beat you up!" I'm not denying that.

                                                                                            However, because of this, too many people believe One Piece originally contains tons of swearing, when that's really not so. The above mentioned thing can be translated to a number of right translations. Not all of them containing "swear words"… Which actually makes more sense given that One Piece is a show aimed at kids.

                                                                                            Anyways, the point is you can't use "Oh, but the show has harsh language!" as an last-ditch excuse to try and justify One Piece not being a kids show... Fuck, ass, bitch... None of these were in the original as those oh-so-sacred fansubs lead you to believe. Nor have they have any "equivalents" to these words either.

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                                                                                              What exactly makes a show a kids show? If movie 8 is rated PG13, in America, then it isn't considered a kids show. Maybe by Japanese standards it is a kids show, but by American standards it is not a kids show.

                                                                                              With the current episodes on Tonnami being raited PG, then the uncuts will certainly PG13. (like the movie)

                                                                                              There's no black-and-white in ratings. "Pirates of the Caribbean" and I believe at least one "Harry Potter" movie were PG-13 and plenty of kids went to see those movies. I'm pretty sure that when I go to see Movie 8 in theaters next year I'm sure I'll at least see a few 9 year-olds there. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch.

                                                                                              Weekly Shonen Jump is the kind of magazine that's for boys between 8 and even 20, that's why I think we see series like "Death Note" show up in there. But yeah, the standards vary quite a bit between the countries. Remember when "Detective Conan/Case Closed" showed up on [adult swim] and didn't do well? Despite the murder and mystery and TV-14 episodes, it was still a kids' show no matter how you looked at it. FUNimation admits that's why it failed, because it's a murder-mystery show for kids. The story and characters are for kids, but by American standards the content isn't for kids. I thought at one point when I saw TV-14 and TV-PG shows on Toonami that FUNimation should try getting "Case Closed" on Toonami like they did with "YuYu Hakusho" when that also didn't do well on [adult swim], but that doesn't the fact the show's about grisly murders
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                                                                                                There's no black-and-white in ratings. "Pirates of the Caribbean" and I believe at least one "Harry Potter" movie were PG-13 and plenty of kids went to see those movies.

                                                                                                Yea, I know. My 5 year old cousin saw "The Grudge" also.

                                                                                                What I'm saying is that you shouldn't call them "kids movies". Yes kids can watch them. And yes, many things in them are aimed at kids. But say "all ages". Don't say it's "4 kids". Do you honestly think that things like fan-service are put in to appeal to the little kids? Many things are thrown in to make them appeal to all ages. That's why I have a problem with Tsukento when he's all "OnepIece Iz a Kidz shoW". Can't you just call it "raited E" for everyone? Shows like Dora the Explorer are specifically targeted towards children, as opposed to other shows with a broad array of things to appeal to many different stages of humans.

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                                                                                                  Well as long as you don't think One Piece is an adult show… That's fine by me.

                                                                                                  But it being aimed at kids doesn't mean others can't enjoy it, you know.

                                                                                                  "All ages" and "aimed at kids" basically means the same thing. "All ages" can see and enjoy One Piece. But it doesn't change the fact that it was made primary to entertain it's target audience.

                                                                                                  I don't see why fans are so offended by this.

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                                                                                                    Well as long as you don't think One Piece is an adult show… That's fine by me.

                                                                                                    But it being aimed at kids doesn't mean others can't enjoy it, you know.

                                                                                                    "All ages" and "aimed at kids" basically means the same thing. "All ages" can see and enjoy One Piece. But it doesn't change the fact that it was made primary to entertain it's target audience.

                                                                                                    I don't see why fans are so offended by this.

                                                                                                    Because referring to something as "being for kids" makes people self-conscious, they don't want people to look down upon them, and they feel the need to justify what they enjoy. It's as if children really aren't capable of going through life without being coddled, and that association makes people ashamed of being childlike.

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                                                                                                      let me direct you to one of the Lyrics to the Anime's 2nd Opening: "Hey Yeah Ningen Sucker, Hey Yeah Ningen Fucker"

                                                                                                      They's gonna hafta edit that for US TV.

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                                                                                                        It's an easy edit. Edit it to "Hey Yeah Ningen Sucker, Hey Yeah Ningen Sucker"

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