This is something I was wondering for quite some time. We all take it as the term is spelled "Raftel" (we even got this crazy D. theory with that name) but what I was wondering is if this truly is how you spell the name.
I mean for instance, in japanese they say "Choppa" but we all know that they mean "Chopper". So I´m just wondering if there´s is definite evidence that it really is Raftel. Because I often felt that it could also been intended to be "Rough Tale". Just a though.
Naw, all we have to go by is the katakana.
Well since I´m not familiar with how to read neither Kanji, not Hiragana, nor Katakana I wasn´t sure if it can be that easy transfered into latin writing. That´s why I asked the question in the first place.
If you can really tell by Katakana that it is "Raftel" then my question is already answered. I just had to ask since I had no clue. :unsure:
Oh, yeah. It's just:
ra (la, lau, rah, etc.)
fu (f, gh, fu)
te
ru (r, l, ru, lu).
Ah, thanks the info. But now I just remembered that this doesn´t have to be clear proof neither. I mean in other languages you write the same thing in different styles.
For instance the name Johnny. Being a yugoslavian I can asure you that in hour language we would write it "Dzoni". We pronounce it the same way as you do Johnny, but we write it in a different way.
Now japanese is an even more different matter. For instance the Luffy/Roofy problem. For ever non-english speaking country people might argue that the japanese anime doesn´t use the letter "r" in the name, quite obviously because the english "r" sounds completely different then in any other language of the european (germanian, roman, slavian) language family.
Thats why many native english speakers hear an "l" in Luffy instead of "r". And now we could transfer this basic language thing into the Raftel thing. Now what I´m curious is if there´s a way to spell Rough Tale in Katakana. And even if you could write the term down in Katakana, how would it be said in japanese?
Sorry if it got a little bit confusing right now. I hope I could make my points clear.
I'm a tad bit confused, but I hope this helps.
The Japanese "Rough Tale" would be the same as "Laughter," or "Raftel." Or maybe "Rafftel," since I'm not sure if the stopper symbol thing is in there.
I hope I didn´t confuse you too much. :) What I wanted to explain with my examples is, that in different languages you may say a word the same way, but you spell it in completely different way.
And vice versa if you would write it down in the same way, you would pronounce it completely different by saying. Hope that´s a tad more clear. Sorry for my confusive speech. :(
I´ll try to explain my whole point with this scenario:
Oda wants the islands name to have an english name "Rough Tale". But then when it comes to writing down the name, he has to do it in a language specifi way, so that when japanese people read it, they say it Raftel. So in the end it is intended as Rough Tale, but for native english speakers it clearly isn´t Rough Tale when they here the anime.
BUT when you watch the anime you´ll notice that the japanese voice actors pronounce english terms completely different then a natice english speaker would do it. Unfortunally I can´t think of any term right now. But I hope you get the idea.
In plain words, if an english person and a japanese person would say Rough Tale it wouldn´t sound the same. Even if it is the same word. And when you write it down in the two languages the difference´s are even bigger with Rough Tale in latin and Raftel in Katakana. Now could that be the case?
Hope that was less confusing. :)
Oh, maybe. I figured it was Oda's joke, using the katakana for laughter, which could also mean Rough Tale.
Now that you say it, you could really be onto something. I mean if Gold Roger was anything like Luffy then Laughter wouldn´t be that far off for a name where he would hide the his treasure. :)
Originally posted by Ivotas@May 12 2005, 10:01 AM
BUT when you watch the anime you´ll notice that the japanese voice actors pronounce english terms completely different then a natice english speaker would do it. Unfortunally I can´t think of any term right now. But I hope you get the idea.
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i'm surprised you couldn't think of an example. an easy example used right now in the current anime is
English: "Water 7"
日本語： ウオーたセブン
I couldn't get my stupid IME to write the chisaii 'オ' but that's not the point ^_^
Laughter would probably have a different ending… like ラフたー
but the idea of Rough Tale is rather interesting :P cause when you finally reach that island, you'd have had a rough tale. ok, bad joke :unsure:
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Originally posted by freedom@May 12 2005, 12:29 PM
**i'm surprised you couldn't think of an example. an easy example used right now in the current anime isEnglish: "Water 7"
日本語： ウオーたセブンI couldn't get my stupid IME to write the chisaii 'オ' but that's not the point ^_^
Laughter would probably have a different ending… like ラフたー
but the idea of Rough Tale is rather interesting :P cause when you finally reach that island, you'd have had a rough tale. ok, bad joke :unsure:
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Just FYI, you can get the small 「オ」 by typing "x" then the letter you want to type. ^^ And this is probably being too critical, but just thought I'd point out that both your "ta"s are hiragana, but they should be katakana (「タ」). ^~
This is an interesting ques. tho…. I never get like any of Oda's name puns tho, so.... ^_^;;
