I don't know, in my English class someone (whose name shall go unmentioned) asked the teacher if men get better pay than women do in the workplace? Which i thought was a good question, but what do i know Now i don't know about you but i think they might get better pay… but i don't know, i'm a guy, I barely got my first job, nonetheless i want your opinion so feel free to write.
Or do women get paid more than men? That is up for you to decide
…........Just because you actually seem serious.
It depends on the job. If it's a job only men can do and women can only assist, you know the answer. If it's a job everyone can do equally, unless you work at a really shitty biased hole it's gonna be equal. It's a fact, there isn't really anything to decide.
@Rai:
…........Just because you actually seem serious.
It depends on the job. If it's a job only men can do and women can only assist, you know the answer. If it's a job everyone can do equally, unless you work at a really shitty biased hole it's gonna be equal. It's a fact, there isn't really anything to decide.
I find the way you worded this offensive. What exactly can't women do?
I had no idea there were such jobs in existance.
I find the way you worded this offensive. What exactly can't women do?
Carry weights from a place to place over and over as a part of a building job.
What exactly was offensive about that post? Is it surprising that there are stuff that fit a specific gender?
The whole subject isn't anything to talk about. I don't get it.
Rai Has somwhat of a point. There are some job that are generally expected for men (Construction, movers, etc) And Women have right to do those jobs too. But, the majority of women just don't choose to do those types of jobs. It's not because they can't do them. It just because most don't want to.
Kinda like how men might not want to work at jobs that require a feminine touch. (Underwear stores, salons, etc) But men have the right to work at those too. We just choose not to.
Who gets paid more shouldn't be about weather someone in a man or women. It should depend on who works harder at their job. Any woman can work as hard as any man, and any man can work as hard as any women.
Thanks E1n for the sig, and Traitor_Jim for the refine.
The jobs shown in Dirty Jobs could be a prime example of what most women wouldn't want to do.
I know that in 1990, women's pay was about 70 percent of men int the same job and with the same credentials.
I think that men and women should be paid equally. And if there was a job that judges people by gender, I wouldn't work there.
I remember reading at one point that there are actually different expectations concerning physical condition for male and female firefighters and police officers. Keeping these and other double-standards in mind, I believe that absolute equality is highly improbable.
Both genders get shafted in various categories and ways, and how "right" or "wrong" a payment difference is should be judged on an individual basis. Sometimes there are legitimate reasons for such things, as awful as it sounds.
Well, different expectations regarding physical conditions makes perfect sense considering males and females are physically and athletically very different animals.
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@Cap'n:
Well, different expectations regarding physical conditions makes perfect sense considering males and females are physically and athletically very different animals.
That's true, which is exactly why I'd prefer to have a dude dragging my ass out of a burning building or tackling a mugger than a chick.
@Roz:
I remember reading at one point that there are actually different expectations concerning physical condition for male and female firefighters and police officers. Keeping these and other double-standards in mind, I believe that absolute equality is highly improbable.
Both genders get shafted in various categories and ways, and how "right" or "wrong" a payment difference is should be judged on an individual basis. Sometimes there are legitimate reasons for such things, as awful as it sounds.
i love it when i see actual intelligence on this forum
i wholeheartedly agree with this
Regarding physical ability jobs should hire on a "Can do" basis.
Putting gender in it would usually, yhea, be sexist.
If the applicant can carry out the job at the acceptable level than there you go.
To not hire based on gender without seeing whether thier capable of the job is pretty much illegal, and for a reason.
Its not wether women can lift the weights.
Its if the woman applying can or can't lift the weights.
If she can't, she can't. If she can, she can.
The same is true of males. How many guys here could make it in the labour world? I sure as fuck couldn't.
But I don't think thats the topic anyway. Pay difference is a sepearte thing than hiring.
It's not that simple. There's many highly competitive jobs/careers in which men and women have the opportunity for equal pay, and actually, some of these are some of the best jobs. Also, any state/city job will always offer men and women equal pay. But yes, in some cases, men are being paid more money than women. Instead of asking a forum and saying "You decide", maybe do some research on the subject since it's obviously not for us to decide. Like this article http://blogs.payscale.com/ask_dr_salary/2007/04/men_vs_women_sa.html
As for the work that women can't do…you know, I'm sure some women could do a great job in some grunt work, but most women don't WANT to do that. Heck even most men don't, but that's all they can find at the time with their education level. I don't understand why women would want to fight for lugging concrete around.
@Cap'n:
Well, different expectations regarding physical conditions makes perfect sense considering males and females are physically and athletically very different animals.
Erm, jobs that require more physical strength actually don't pay that great anyway.
I would think the actual differences in pay would come from the higher up jobs like doctors and politicians. Anyway, the rate women attend college is growing while the rate men attend is declining, so it'll all equal itself out eventually.
 
Yeah, this question is usually applied to more business-y jobs, not really the Working Man Job.
Erm, jobs that require more physical strength actually don't pay that great anyway.
I was just replying to what Roz mentioned about physical expectations, is all.
Honestly, very few people with access to higher education would even consider hard labor.
Rai Has somwhat of a point. There are some job that are generally expected for men (Construction, movers, etc) And Women have right to do those jobs too. But, the majority of women just don't choose to do those types of jobs. It's not because they can't do them. It just because most don't want to. .
that was basicly the point of my post. When I lived with the 3 guys, I was always the handy man around the house. I don't like being told I can't do something cause I'm a "gurl" Maybe because of my phisical limitations, but not just cause I'm a girl. And yes, I whole heartedly agree with Roz. I'd wanna be saved by someone who I know could carry me. But that doesn't mean a woman couldn't do it.
I've actually considered construction. There's a big market out here for it, and it pays well. I've discovered I'm quite handy with tools. I wish my dad let me do stuff like that when I was growing up.
Funny, I was just watching little house on the prarie today. Nels Olson took an entire episode of being angry at his wife, before he decided his place was in the kitchen. :P (His wife can't cook)
I'm pretty sure that it goes without saying that there are certain instances wherein men are paid more than women on a strictly biased basis. There are obviously going to be some sexist He-Man Woman-Haters that just outright discriminate against their female workers; the media plays it up like there's no tomorrow whenever they get the chance.
However, I would also assert that there would also be cases the other way around, wherein women discriminate against men in their workplaces. It may even be men discriminating against men or women to women, who knows. But to say that this just happens in one direction is kind of ridiculous, I would argue. The media lately has just been so "politically correct" that if anyone sneezes wrong at a woman or minority, it becomes a headliner, while huge discriminations can be made against white males and nobody cares. I'm not preaching that white males are being discriminated against or that we're being unfairly treated, not in the slightest. I'm just saying that in this age of supposed yearning for equality many facts can easily be skewed by a very angular media.
So I think I'd basically say that men and women are paid the same. There are of course some instances wherein men are paid more or women are paid more (honestly, the men might get the better of it a little more often), but I still think I'd argue that it averages out to about roughly the same.
Did you guys know that march is women's history month?
To be honest, I'm nothing of a feminist. I love my guys way too much. <3 The only instance regarding sex I can think of that has involved me personally was when our sorority (ie: for girls) made it the rule to refer to our male member as 'brothers' while fraternities (ie: for guys) have no differentation to female members. Their reasoning is that calling a large mixed group the female term is being selective and blah blah blah while using the masculine term in the same instance is ok. I can understand where they're coming from and I love my male 'sisters', but it still really irritates me that they're putting that double standard on us for no real reason.
Wuh? It's October in my school.
In high status/paying jobs, doesn't the fact the woman can have paid leave for pregnancy and maternity leave factor into at all? I've heard that arguement, but I have no idea if has any basis. I've also heard that a fair amount of older single women in fact make more than their male counterparts because of the fact as well.
In high status/paying jobs, doesn't the fact the woman can have paid leave for pregnancy and maternity leave factor into at all?
When that's a problem, it's usually called the 'glass celing' meaning that the employer simply won't employ/promote women because they're afraid that they'll get pregnant and leave the company with the bill. It doesn't have anything to do with the pay, however in the early 1900's I think, if a pregnant woman were working they'd get almost double pay because she was counted as two instead of just one.
Wuh? It's October in my school.
you're thinking of breast cancer awareness month
 
i… don't really see the point of the poll when it's fairly common knowledge that women ARE less paid than men. people try to correct that, but our good old christian society still has a hard time with the concept of equality between men & women.
I think its because in general men are taller than women… http://www.slate.com/id/2148759/?GT1=8592
I think its because in general men are taller than women… http://www.slate.com/id/2148759/?GT1=8592
Wow, two groups of people. That just about convinces me its true of all of humanity.
I make more than the women at my work.
Kitchen staff get paid 8.75 hourly.
Bartenders make 7.45 hourly.
But they get a shitload of tips each night, maybe about an extra 80 to 100 bucks extra a shift.
So I get jack shit, mind you.
Shouldn't the positions be reversed
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