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Looks pretty easy to me. :wassat:
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Gaelic has always be attractive to me. Welsh is scary.
well, it's pretty much 180cm, and it's tall for an earthling
The thing about milk is a funny one. I mean, why not. It (wikipedia) would explain why I'm 189cm tall maybe. If Albanians and Romanians were drinking that much milk 3 to 4 generation ago. But it's mostly genetics in my case I guess, both my parents are tall after all.
My mother is 5'2'' and my father is 5'10''. Since I take mostly after my father physically (all I got from mom was hair and eye color), I SHOULD have been taller, but since I matured early (partly due to weight) I stopped growing at 5'4''. Which pisses me off, I could have been 5'6'' or more.
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Apparently Scandinavians (and the Dutch) are that much tall because they didn't mingle with other populations. It's the only place on earth where people with very alike chromosomes tagged along for a while. Which supposedly led their height to reach their highest potentiel.
This theory is rejected by many people though, because all of this sounds like a "racially pure" stuff, which goes against many modern values.As for milk, it sounded funny, but it just doesn't make sense. Because after all, the Greeks (among other populations) drink more milk than the Danish and the Norwegians, but they're way smaller then them. Oddly enough, Indians aren't the tallest people on earth, so I think it's safe to assume that milk doesn't play a major role in making people that tall (if any)
Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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Apparently Scandinavians (and the Dutch) are that much tall because they didn't mingle with other populations. It's the only place on earth where people with very alike chromosomes tagged along for a while. Which supposedly led their height to reach their highest potentiel.
This theory is rejected by many people though, because all of this sounds like a "racially pure" stuff, which goes against many modern values.As for milk, it sounded funny, but it just doesn't make sense. Because after all, the Greeks (among other populations) drink more milk than the Danish and the Norwegians, but they're way smaller then them. Oddly enough, Indians aren't the tallest people on earth, so I think it's safe to assume that milk doesn't play a major role in making people that tall (if any)
But why are Japanese that short? They sure did not interbreed too much…
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The Greeks drink more milk than the Scandis?
Jesus christ they must be the milk equivilent of raging alcoholics
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But why are Japanese that short? They sure did not interbreed too much…
The Japanese definitely live in a somewhat isolated island. But unlike what we might think, there are many different kinds of populations in Japan. I mean, they've all ended up speaking the same language, but they all came from eastern-Asia, which is a cluster-fuck of interbreeding
Anyway, that's what I got from my questions to some biology teachers/researchers in ParisI didn't take notes though. I should have, because I'm not very rigorous in the words and notions I'm using. And I still ignore some specifics. I really had to be pushy though, I think they didn't want to sound like a bunch of nazis to me (-> a young boy -> which means, someone who is potentially naive and doesn't know much about philosophy of science/knowledge)
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The Greeks drink more milk than the Scandis?
Jesus christ they must be the milk equivilent of raging alcoholics
Not Scandis as a whole though
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-drink-the-most-milk.htmlAnyway, Indians are by far the biggest drinkers of milk on earth. They have 200million cows, and each produce 1400liters of milk every year. There is probably a little bit of export in that, but without counting it, it adds up to 650liters of milk every year by person. Twice as more as Scandis
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Apparently Scandinavians (and the Dutch) are that much tall because they didn't mingle with other populations. It's the only place on earth where people with very alike chromosomes tagged along for a while. Which supposedly led their height to reach their highest potentiel.
This theory is rejected by many people though, because all of this sounds like a "racially pure" stuff, which goes against many modern values.Probably also because it makes no sense at all from a scientific perspective is my guess.
Namely the idea that those people aren't "mixed" compared to other Euros.
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Probably also because it makes no sense at all from a scientific perspective is my guess.
Namely the idea that those people aren't "mixed" compared to other Euros.
https://brilliantmaps.com/the-genetic-map-of-europe/I didn't say they weren't. But they're way less than the rest of the world
(edit: sorry if that's what could have been implied from my post above, it's inaccurate. It would be more exact to say that they're way less mixed, not that they're not mixed at all)As for your link, thank you.
You can see that there is actually all kind of things in what is in red (R1b). Did they seriously put "Italic", "Basque" and "Celtic", "Saxon" in the same group ?
Concerning Scandinavia, you'll notice that there is at most 3different big "groups" in the same country with very little "minorities"Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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It suprises me that a nation from the Medies manage to eat, drink and in other ways cook with as much dairy as we northerners do. I was under the impression that those guys sans the french frowned on cream sauces and other heavy fare that's cooked with lots of dairy.
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I didn't say they weren't. But they're way less than the rest of the world
(edit: sorry if that's what could have been implied from my post above, it's inaccurate. It would be more exact to say that they're way less mixed, not that they're not mixed at all)I'm not seeing any particular evidence of that being the case, and further to the point any evidence that how mixed a person is has any relation at all to height.
You can see that there is actually all kind of things in what is in red (R1b). Did they seriously put "Italic", "Basque" and "Celtic", "Saxon" in the same group ?
The descriptions are silly theoretical blurbs added by whoever threw the map together. The DNA names and distributions are another matter.
In more serious terms R1b is generally theorized to be some of the earliest human migration into Europe that came from North Africa and into Iberia (and then kept moving northward through Western Europe).
I recently did one of those professional ancestry tests lately and a bunch of my DNA was apparently comparable to people from Iberia even though I have no Spanish/Portuguese/Basque or any of that in my background. The explanation the people gave is because of my English/Irish ancestry. Apparently a very normal thing for Western Europeans to have that happened. That is most likely the R1b.
For similar reasons I had North Middeast DNA similarities, which is the same idea except for early migrations from the Middle East into Europe, and apparently a common thing for people with South Italian ancestry, which I have. Not sure which marker that is on the map, J2 I think.Basically there is precious damn little in the way of people who don't have well mixed ancestry.
Concerning Scandinavia, you'll notice that there is at most 3different big "groups" in the same country with very little "minorities"
I see you're already surrendering the Dutch here. Not to mention other famously tall Northern Europeans like Germans, who have a very mixed ancestry.
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Why are there so many bots ? And what is even the point of dropping bots on this forum ?
I'm not seeing any particular evidence of that being the case, and further to the point any evidence that how mixed a person is has any relation at all to height.
The argument is that having only 2 or 3 big "groups" and few "minorities" facilitates the symbiosis of their genes. Apparently, this is something that we can see on animals too. Those who pretty much stick together develop one of their physical aptitudes. As for Scandis (and humans as a whole I guess), it would be their height
You can disagree with the hypothesis if you wish. After all, there can only be hypotheses since it's impossible to directly demonstrate it
Basically there is precious damn little in the way of people who don't have well mixed ancestry.
Yes, but Scandis don't have genes as much mixed as the rest of us. They're an exception
I see you're already surrendering the Dutch here.
I'm not. The argument here is that the Netherlands is a homeland of immigration in Europe. And they share(d) the same religion with Scandinavia, which facilitates immigration. In other words, there are tall people in the Netherlands thanks to Scandis
Not to mention other famously tall Northern Europeans like Germans, who have a very mixed ancestry.
Yes, northern Germany. It's not like there was a wall at the frontier
Anyway, it's definitely not milk.
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I speak or try to:
C2: Russian, German
C1: English,
B2: Spanish
B1: Polish, French
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So i'm trying to pick up some French for future trips. This is going to be a tough one pronounciationwise. Unlike Spanish which just fits naturally into the way i normally speak French requires me to put actual thought into how i'll read out this thing that is written down before me.
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It's not that hard. I did it when I was 2 years old, quite easy to be honest
Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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It's not that hard. I did it when I was 2 years old, quite easy to be honest
Must be nice to be born into a hard to pronounce language and then you can just pick up and learn an easy language like English. Oh well just to hit the books, and duolingo. I even started listening to a bunch of French radio, so far i understand like every 40th word or so properly. I think it's a show about theater people talking about their craft but can't really tell for sure y'know
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So i'm trying to pick up some French for future trips. This is going to be a tough one pronounciationwise. Unlike Spanish which just fits naturally into the way i normally speak French requires me to put actual thought into how i'll read out this thing that is written down before me.
True and funny story that may be helpful to you:
I found that knowing how to do that stereotypical french laugh, that "hon hon hon hon", actually helps a bit to get the prononciation/accent down.Then you mix it with their song (you know, every language has a song/rythmn), which I guess you're already learning with those radio shows, and the rest is memorizing vocabulary.
My challenge right now, besides the always present getting more vocabulary and training the verbs conjugation, is hearing the subtleties when people are just talking.
If I happen to catch a bit of news or maybe a ted-talk in french I can usually follow, since those people are speaking in carefull and enunciated manner but outside of that it still gets tricky.
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I speak many languages, but the French language is probably the only one with silent letters that I know. Or at least actual silent letters–-- the one with the most silent letters.
It's true that English is quite easy to learn, the easy part is that there is pretty much nothing to learn to conjugate verbs. But on the other hand, the use between present perfect or past simple can sometimes be tricky to make. It's the only language I know with this kind of very specific difference. There is also a few other very odd grammatical rules for me
Anyway, I've been learning German for over a year now. And it's probably the hardest thing I've ever done beside studying philosophy. The grammar is so damn complicated, and for some reason the sentences have to be written backwards... Silent letters in French are really nothing compared to German grammar though.
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lmao, I like the zero in the poll so chileans can vote, they don't speak nothing just make lots of noices.
just a silly joke
we all Latin American countries fucked up Spanish, but Chile is likely our greatest hope to communicate with aliens.
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It's true that English is quite easy to learn, the easy part is that there is pretty much nothing to learn to conjugate verbs. But on the other hand, the use between present perfect or past simple can sometimes be tricky to make. It's the only language I know with this kind of very specific difference. There is also a few other very odd grammatical rules for me
We are known for our weird exceptions to our normal grammar rules. I would also think that our huge vocabulary would be a pain to learn.
lmao, I like the zero in the poll so chileans can vote, they don't speak nothing just make lots of noices.
just a silly joke
we all Latin American countries fucked up Spanish, but Chile is likely our greatest hope to communicate with aliens.It just means Chile made their own language.
What pleases me is that I see so many people here who apparently speak 3 or more. Lots of people speak two languages, but three? Four? That's impressive.
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It doesn't say anything about how well you know them, though.
For instance, I answered 5 but I really only speak Dutch and English fluently. I've tried to learn French but that didn't go too well and I've forgotten most of it. The remaining two, German and Japanese, I only know well enough to hold simple conversations. -
What pleases me is that I see so many people here who apparently speak 3 or more. Lots of people speak two languages, but three? Four? That's impressive.
don't know much about people here tho, but I come from México and I've met indigenous people who speak their native language, Spanish and English.
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I wonder… at what point can a person say they speak a language? I'd certainly, with confidence say that I speak English and Hungarian, but I'm a little hesitant about Swedish or Finnish. I could probably be able to navigate in an unfamiliar place using these languages, but I'm not proficent in them in any way.
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don't know much about people here tho, but I come from México and I've met indigenous people who speak their native language, Spanish and English.
so I'm not that much impressed thay Europeans have decent domain of several languages.The thing is those indigenous people most likely learned all of those because they needed while europeans get lazy because they don't really need to learn more than their native language, so most people will only have a small/tourist knowledge of english or so.
But this forum, being an english website about a japanese series, probably attracts those that already had a tendency/interest to pick up new languages.I wonder… at what point can a person say they speak a language? I'd certainly, with confidence say that I speak English and Hungarian, but I'm a little hesitant about Swedish or Finnish. I could probably be able to navigate in an unfamiliar place using these languages, but I'm not proficent in them in any way.
I say, when you're at primary school level. Children are able to speak languages, obviously not at the same level a teen or an adult but they speak them none the less.
Below that I think you can navigate as a tourist but you can't yet hold small conversations about daily live or pop culture.If you can talk for five minutes with a child betwen the ages of 5-10 you can speak the language.
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Catalan and Spanish as mother tongues, English at a Bachelor's degree in English Studies graduate level で は 今 日本語 を 勉強して いる。
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I cannot call myself fluent in Japanese, but I can say I speak Conversational Japanese, which I suppose you count as semi-fluent. I can't follow or read anything that's super complicated or scientific/business related, but I can chat easily with people about daily things and of course anything geeky. Reading manga raw definitely helps, as the first thing to go out of your head is the kanji.
I say when you can chat with a foreigner about random stuff you can say you speak that language.
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True and funny story that may be helpful to you:
I found that knowing how to do that stereotypical french laugh, that "hon hon hon hon", actually helps a bit to get the prononciation/accent down.Then you mix it with their song (you know, every language has a song/rythmn), which I guess you're already learning with those radio shows, and the rest is memorizing vocabulary.
My challenge right now, besides the always present getting more vocabulary and training the verbs conjugation, is hearing the subtleties when people are just talking.
If I happen to catch a bit of news or maybe a ted-talk in french I can usually follow, since those people are speaking in carefull and enunciated manner but outside of that it still gets tricky.
Kinda like understanding the Queen's English and then hearing people from south-london or Scottland speak, there's a whole new learning curve.Yeah you don't often meet people with that clean newscaster speech. But yeah i try to pick up on how it flows, but i imagine that even if i try to immerse myself and work at it for a few years i'll still have a thick horrible that the natives can poke fun at. Like haha he said large throaty noise when it's supposed to be medium throaty noise, what an oaf.
Anyway, I've been learning German for over a year now. And it's probably the hardest thing I've ever done beside studying philosophy. The grammar is so damn complicated, and for some reason the sentences have to be written backwards… Silent letters in French are really nothing compared to German grammar though.
That's pretty much exactly what i've been sitting here thinking about French.
Like i don't mind it that much, it just feels strange to start from the back.
I wonder… at what point can a person say they speak a language? I'd certainly, with confidence say that I speak English and Hungarian, but I'm a little hesitant about Swedish or Finnish. I could probably be able to navigate in an unfamiliar place using these languages, but I'm not proficent in them in any way.
My personal definition is when you can make use of the language without thinking about it.
Like if you can go thru a day and do that with minimum effort then dude you speak the langauge.
Catalan and Spanish as mother tongues, English at a Bachelor's degree in English Studies graduate level で は 今 日本語 を 勉強して いる。
Huh. So Catalan is a whole 'nother language huh.
I thought it was a dialect or something. Talk about a knowledge gap.
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Galician and spanish as mother languages, then I learned English and now I'm slowly learning japanese
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Why do people learn Japanese ? It's a far-away country after all
Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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Food is the best motivator for learning languages.
Any nation that has good food is worth learning.
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Then, English is not worth learning
Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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I don't know about Finland. But anglo-saxon countries are often being made fun of because of their food
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I speak many languages, but the French language is probably the only one with silent letters that I know. Or at least actual silent letters–-- the one with the most silent letters.
I missed this yesterday but gotta comment on it now.
Why do you hold on to that system, you managed to get the best of both worlds and mixed it into shit.
When you write you got the complex but useful latim style of conjugation, where terminations change all the time but are helpful imparting info onto the words, but when you talk you have the anglo-saxon easy mode of not conjugating anything, so now I gotta read the whole word to know that the silent letters at the end change the way I should pronounce the vowels in the beggining.
I've been slowly making peace with how you went overboard when pronoucing the "I" as an "A", like how Prince rhymes with France* when even the english know that that "I" should pronounced "ee" instead of their native "AE", but those silent letters are just making my learning progress slower.*I have a theory that France became one of the first modern republics because of this. One day the people realized that their next ruler would be the Prince de France, le Dauphin Royal, and said "Alright, that's enough silly nonsense now"
Like haha he said large throaty noise when it's supposed to be medium throaty noise, what an oaf.
This is the most apt description of learning a language I've seen.
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Huh. So Catalan is a whole 'nother language huh.
I thought it was a dialect or something. Talk about a knowledge gap.
Whole other thing, has its similarities to other romance languages like all romance languages between each other.
Why do people learn Japanese ? It's a far-away country after all
What kind of reasoning is that though to learn a language? One should only learn neighbour country languages? For what reason?
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Why do people learn Japanese ? It's a far-away country after all
You post on an anime board and you ask that? Or not even anime, sometimes people learn to love a different culture that's not a neighbor and decide to learn that language. Which can be used for academics, business, politics, etc.
I don't know about Finland. But anglo-saxon countries are often being made fun of because of their food
Except America being a country of immigrants (no matter what the douche politicians say), we have a wide variety of foods you can try here.
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I don't know about Finland. But anglo-saxon countries are often being made fun of because of their food
Finland wishes it was England just judging on that metric
Whole other thing, has its similarities to other romance languages like all romance languages between each other.
Fascinating stuff. So the garden variety Spanish really isn't all that useful in Spain outside the Spanish speaking regions huh.
Except America being a country of immigrants (no matter what the douche politicians say), we have a wide variety of foods you can try here.
Food bullying for America should really focus on the mutated more is more aspects of it all.
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You post on an anime board and you ask that?
I mean, I didn't wanna sound like an ass and say that people who learn Japanese are usually doing it for anime and videogames. Or for their growing soft-power.
Same goes for Korean. It's the two only languages along English that attract a lot of people due to their "soft-power". (putting quotation marks because it's not really a soft-power)Except America being a country of immigrants (no matter what the douche politicians say), we have a wide variety of foods you can try here.
It's hard to tell what is american food and what was brought by immigrants. The difference isn't easy to make
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If you want to think of something as "American" other than fucking McDonalds, then barbecue is probably your best bet. Like, real barbecue from local restaurants, not whatever a chain restaurant claims as barbecue.
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Yes, apparently BBQs are very popular in the US. (and by correlation, in whole world now) I'd say that it's definitely part of the american culture.
But haven't they basically just developed a better device to grill meat and whatnot ? I mean, people have been grilling meat for thousands of years.Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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You say that like it isn't a pretty damn great thing to create and refine techniques and devices that yield better results on things that have been done for hundreds of years. Although i suppose barbecue is one of those things that can't stray too far away from it's backyard origins.
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Yes, apparently BBQs are very popular in the US. (and by correlation, in whole world now) I'd say that it's definitely part of the american culture.
But haven't they basically just developed a better device to grill meat and whatnot ? I mean, people have been grilling meat for thousands of years.Don't forget the sauce. Any grilled meat without real barbecue sauce is just grilled meat. Places that have award winning or super popular sauce recipes keep them hidden like homeland security codes.
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You say that like it isn't a pretty damn great thing to create and refine techniques and devices that yield better results on things that have been done for hundreds of years. Although i suppose barbecue is one of those things that can't stray too far away from it's backyard origins.
No, it is. If there is one thing americans are great at it's engineering. But here again, in the end it's just a more sophisticated and practical cooking appliance that basically already existed. Just putting things in perspective.
Barbecues are definitely part of american culture, but it has never been an american thing only.It's a bad comparison, but are microwaves (as a cooking device or whatever) part of american culture ?
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The microwave oven gave way to the frozen tv dinner aisle at the supermarket, which freed up time for people to ignore cooking all together. So yeah i think the microwave counts as a piece that makes up the "american" or modern lifestyle derived there off
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Don't forget the sauce. Any grilled meat without real barbecue sauce is just grilled meat. Places that have award winning or super popular sauce recipes keep them hidden like homeland security codes.
Yeah, the sauce is probably the important part and it's typically american I guess. Even though, I kinda can't really say much about it because I've only been eating fish in the last years.
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Always a classic. Poor England got it more than most I think.
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