@Taz:
In times of great moral crisis it is always best to look to the bible:
The judge should order that the baby be cut in half.
Yeah, but unfortunately this trick is going to fail if you use it again … :sad:
@Kakaliaha:
…. I am asking what is unethical about "buying" a human, if of course its not going to be used as slave labor. ....
Where do you live Kakaliaha, the slave trader republic of Goro-Bomu? Is slavery just an issue if the slaves have to work?
@Kakaliaha:
… You say its screwed up capitalism ....
No. It´s not screwed up capitalism. It´s just capitalism in it´s purest form. No rules, no restrictions besides supply and demand - you can sell anything from your virginity to your children and your organs and rights, as long as you freely sign a contract everything is okay (as long as you are not a slave already:sad:).
What I meant by screwed up was that you (the posters so far) were screwed by capitalism to an extent that you are about to ignore ethical foundations (as shown by casualy voting for the enforcent of this contract of puchase for a baby). Yeah, I may seem a bit provincial and old fashioned, but when I imagnine the coppers handcuffing the girl that didn´t want to give away the baby she just gave birth to, taking the child handing it over to the buyers … nay, I don´t like this.
@Kakaliaha:
…. money doesn't always have to do with capitalism ....
Think again, money is the very essence of capitalism ….
@Kakaliaha:
… for the vast majority of people money isn't something to be played with ....
a small minority thinks the same about the lives of human beeings …
@Kakaliaha:
… the fact that this couple spent 10,000 dollars worth of their livelyhood in order to have a child says something.
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What does this say? Perhaps that they have a lot of money and don´t give a sh** for 10 grands? - Really, the amoount of money doesn´t tell anything …
@Kakaliaha:
…. Are you arguing that we shouldn't allow surrogate mothers? Because if so that already happens. And in that case you have a biological father and a biological mother in a custody dispute. Its just in this case the father has a contract.
It´s easy to see from the above said that I´m more than just "sceptical" about this concept and the principles behind it. Afaijust checked up surogate mothers are legal in the US, UK, belguium and greek but illegal in switzerland, austria, germany, norway, sweden, spain und france. Seems a good topic for a philosophy/ethics class. Arguing like a lawyer, reducing everything to a contract, falls short (imo).
Do you think people "own" their children in a way that they should be able to sell them? And that state laws (authorities) should protect such dealings?
Where I live, the whole surrogate theme is considered a crime by the law and you can go to jail up to three years for pulling this off … very harsh.