Speaking of Yonkous, I always had this nice image in my head, where both Whitebeard and Shanks kneel to Luffy and declare him Pirate King.
Oda, make it happen.
General 'Four Emperors' Discussion
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@AD-HD:
Speaking of Yonkous, I always had this nice image in my head, where both Whitebeard and Shanks kneel to Luffy and declare him Pirate King.
Oda, make it happen.
That would be awesome!
I agree with those who say the WG is taking the SH too lightly. These pirates destroyed Enies Lobby, declared war on the government, defeated two Shichibukai and escaped a Buster Call. And then, when Kuma is talking to someone of the WG, this someone just says that the SH Pirates are a "troublesome lot" and orders them dead.
So, we have a crew who defeated two Shichibukai and you send then a third, without any backup against them? Either Kuma is god, the New World is so terrible that anything the SH's made so far are nothing or someone on the WG really needs to be taken down so smarter people may rise in their place.
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The way as it appears, the Yonkoh seem to have their own territories. Not only because Garp said that they rule like emperors in these seas but also because both Rockstar and Shanks knew where to find Whitebeard aswell as Mihawk being able to track down Shanks. Also there´s that thing that Whitebeard still didn´t find One Piece so far so it´s not that unlikely that they have their own regions they claim for themselves.
And seeing how Luffy is constantly seeking new adventures he´s not the type that cares much about claiming a certain place under his rule. He comes, wins and leaves again. No need for making him a Yonkoh. He´s going to be Pirate King anyway.
However it´s still odd that the WG didn´t consider making Luffy himself a Shichibukai. I mean ok, he proved times and again to defy the WG especially the flag burning thing at Enies Lobby, but guys like Kuma, Moria and Doflamingo also must have done some outrageous things to have such high bounties and yet someone must have approached them to offer them positions as Shichibukai. I doubt that they offered their services themselves. I mean a good politician should at least have considered this possibility so why did the Gorosei not so far?
I agree, I think the New World is an entirely new dynamic than the 1st half of the Grandline. I don't think the New World is as much of a race to the end as the 1st half or else why would the Yonkoh be at such a standstill. It'll be interesting to see what it is that has slowed the forward pushing pirates to reaching Raftel, I'm sure Oda has something than Sea Kings.
Though Ao Kiji / Kuzan has "defeated"the Strawhats, they still don't have a definite loss under their belts. Maybe Kuma would be the first to give it to them, only Oda knows. But I think there will be a time that the Strawhats could be pushed to the Calm Belt and have to survive from the terror.
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No, I still say Luffy has to punch Shanks with a Pistol, then he will pass trough Shank's territory after he goes "Woah! Your punch is actually strong as a pistol!"
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I've been thinkin' about this, and think that those chosen to become Shichibukai were chosen because each were somehow involved with one of the Yonkou. My only support for this are Mihawk, Blackbeard, and Moria. I thought that the Government might want pirates that are strong and have a history with a Yonkou. I know its a stretch, but just want to see if anyone agrees. Plus, I've heard theories that sound more like crap than this one (cough, Akatsuki Leader is the 4th, cough).
P.S. I typed this on my Wii, and it was a pain doing it.
Soon to be "IvanKing"
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We know how the SBKs are picked… strong pirates that are willing to throw off some of their more violent tendencies in order to have their bounties waived and frozen
and if anyone said anything about Akatsuki... then it was SARCASM...
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I'm guessing the REAL requirement is probably more like 'have power somewhat near that of one of the current Yonkou', probably.
Just so the WG knows that if push comes to shove and they have to use the Shichibukai to fight off the Yonkou from doing something the WG doesn't like, they might actually stand a chance.
Aside from that though, I'm pretty sure Yonkou involvement is not a requirement to become a shichibukai. I'd think it'd be a combination of power level (not THAT kind =_=) and likelihood to rebel, probably.
And, uh, yeah, what Skarlath said sums it up pretty nicely.
I'm a lurker. I don't really post much. So… I'm not really sure what to put as my signature.
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I think the connections are just because powerful pirates tend to make allies/rivalries with other powerful pirates, not because it's an official requirement.
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You pretty much just have to be really strong and have a record so other pirates fear you. Blackbeard is an exception, but he just beat the crap out of Ace.
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You pretty much just have to be really strong and have a record so other pirates fear you. Blackbeard is an exception, but he just beat the crap out of Ace.
Hey hey, that's not confirmed yet.
For all we know, Blackbeard could've just slept with Aokiji to get himself into the Shichibukai, or something.
Not that that's likely, but… you never know until you get the facts, yeah?
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Blackbeard is Ace in Disguise!
Dum Dum…
DUMB!
Ace is dead. Besides Blackbeard's quest, the only thing Oda could have done with him was something as ridiculous as another cover story, but one about Ace finding out about shirts.
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Hey hey, that's not confirmed yet.
For all we know, Blackbeard could've just slept with Aokiji to get himself into the Shichibukai, or something.
Not that that's likely, but… you never know until you get the facts, yeah?
No…....no I'm pretty sure.
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If so then they'd pretty much HAVE to offer Luffy a Shickibukai position.
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I'm guessing the REAL requirement is probably more like 'have power somewhat near that of one of the current Yonkou', probably.
Both this and the topic creators theory is most likely invalidated by the existance of Crocodile. He was nowhere near the other warlords and is not likely at all to have gone up against a yonkou imo. He should have been crushed long before that. (Ofc its not totally impossible that he managed to get his face smashed in by a yonkou.)
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oh? which thread should he have used?
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yea it seems like the shichibukai have some loose ties to yonkou
bb = wb
moria = kaidou
mihawk = shanksand im guessing the others are linked too…for some reason i think vegapunk may be in the mix somewhere....
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oh? which thread should he have used?
Shichibukai thread
Predictions that don't deserve their own thread, ect. ect.
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Someone needs to start an official Yonkou Dusscussion thread…...
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The Shichibukai are just bad-ass pirates who can be bought, so involvement with other people shouldn't matter.
After all, BB wasn't chosen by the Gorosei because he fought Shanks. They knew nothing about him when he was put up as an idea, and they only accepted him because of his defeat of Ace.
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CLERICS:You cant really find the "theories that don't deserve their own thread" by searching for connections between shichibukai and the yonkou.
and while this should probably fall under the shichibukai discusssion thread it may not be apearant to someone that only wants to discuss the connection between the two groups.
I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have posted it somewhere else but I do think you are a bit too harsh.
@Impel:
they only accepted him because of his defeat of Ace.
Which in itself is a connection to Whitebeard….
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No.That wouldnt be FOUR emperors.How would you say "Five emperors",by the way,"Gonkou"?
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No.That wouldnt be FOUR emperors.How would you say "Five emperors",by the way,"Gonkou"?
… You didnt read the first post carefully enough. the OP wonders if Luffy would take the title away from the yonkou meaning the previous emperor would LOSE IT before Luffy becomes one.
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It's 1:35 am where i am. and guess what im gonna say..
If you cant understand the posts because of the time: STOP POSTING! Go to bed and get some sleep.
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I always am awake when EVERYONE else is asleep,shity central european time zone.
How the hell d'you cpect me to DISCUS anything?
ps:Gorlom,what country are you from?Could it be Germany?
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Go to bed Lobolover!
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I wont till you drop.
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Actually, I think the theory makes a lot of sense. The four Yonkou basically refer to the four pirates closest to One Piece. If Luffy beats one of them, whether he cares about it or not, he will be closer to One Piece than that Yonkou since to be the Pirate King, don't you have to be the strongest Pirate in the world?
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We know how the SBKs are picked… strong pirates that are willing to throw off some of their more violent tendencies in order to have their bounties waived and frozen
and if anyone said anything about Akatsuki... then it was SARCASM...
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Yeah, but the point is that Luffy will not comform with becoming a Yonkou. Hell, I don't even think he would want to be a Yonkou and join the 3POWERS Game of the world…
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Being Pirate King is not necessarily just about the strength of one single man. You gotta have a strong (and probably numerous) crew.
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Both this and the topic creators theory is most likely invalidated by the existance of Crocodile. He was nowhere near the other warlords and is not likely at all to have gone up against a yonkou imo. He should have been crushed long before that. (Ofc its not totally impossible that he managed to get his face smashed in by a yonkou.)
Yeah, I'm still totally confused as to why the hell Crocodile got into the Shichibukai. I'm pretty sure that his 'suck all the water out of people' technique (whatever the hell it was called; did it have a name anyway?) could probably be pretty tough against even super-awesome-megastrong people, though, so long as they weren't smart enough to figure out his weakness, but… I'd probably think a Yonkou would be able to figure that out... sigh. You do have a point.
The fact is in the end, though, that the WG is looking for strong pirates willing to give up their freedom in exchange for not being wanted anymore, and well, a lot of strong pirates have encountered the Yonkou. It's probably just a coincidence that so many of them have.
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Wild KAIDOU appeared!
Go, LUFFY!
LUFFY used GOMU GOMU NO SUPER AWESOME SPECIAL ATTACK!
Wild KAIDOU fainted!
BOUNTY raised 300 million points!
You got $100,000,000 for winning!LUFFY grew to LV 87!
What's this? LUFFY is evolving!
Your LUFFY evolved into YONKOU!-cough-
…Yeah, sorry, couldn't resist. The 'suddenly run into' phrasing made me do it.
Anyway, it could happen, but I can't really picture Luffy being part of anything that can be categorized like that. Even though 'Yonkou' is just used to talk about all four of the strongest pirates in the New World, I'd kind of like to see Luffy NOT be referred to as a Yonkou, somehow get to One Piece without them noticing, become Pirate King, and then all the Yonkou be like "Oh SNAP."
Either that, or Luffy wipe out all the Yonkou (though I dunno about Shanks) and then be the -only- Emperor.
The title just doesn't seem like it fits Luffy, but I'm sure it's likely to happen anyway.
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LUFFY used GOMU GOMU NO SUPER AWESOME SPECIAL ATTACK!
hahahaha!
I know what you're watching on the internet!
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Yeah, I'm still totally confused as to why the hell Crocodile got into the Shichibukai. I'm pretty sure that his 'suck all the water out of people' technique (whatever the hell it was called; did it have a name anyway?) could probably be pretty tough against even super-awesome-megastrong people, though, so long as they weren't smart enough to figure out his weakness, but… I'd probably think a Yonkou would be able to figure that out... sigh. You do have a point.
The fact is in the end, though, that the WG is looking for strong pirates willing to give up their freedom in exchange for not being wanted anymore, and well, a lot of strong pirates have encountered the Yonkou. It's probably just a coincidence that so many of them have.
why does everyone look down on croc? everyone says that water is an easy weakness to figure out… MY ASS
croc was a badass who just never checked to see if he had killed luffy,
so he was dumb, but he was also a shonen villian...
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The first thing that's going to happen in the new world is Luffy's going to get his ass handed to him. Luffy was defeated twice before he was able to rise to the Shichibukai level, so to get to Yonkou, he's got to really get whooped. Remember, even though Aokiji let him go, Luffy would have been dead if Aokiji hadn't taken pity on him. The Yonkou won't be as forgiving. A good ass kicking will give luffy the drive to come up with a better technique than the gears, because the after-effects of them are obviously not working.
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I want to see Whitebeard surviving a Gigant Jet Shell or a Gigant Jet Pistol.
Yeah, thinking about it, Gigant Jet Pistol would perfectly fit as Luffy's ULTIMATE Technique. He may pull it while fighting Shanks.
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Actually, I think the theory makes a lot of sense. The four Yonkou basically refer to the four pirates closest to One Piece. If Luffy beats one of them, whether he cares about it or not, he will be closer to One Piece than that Yonkou since to be the Pirate King, don't you have to be the strongest Pirate in the world?
I don't think you have to be the strongest pirate and beat the shit out of everybody to get the One Piece. Sure, it could help you a lot if you would do so, but in the end it just matters if you get the One Piece. And if you'd get it, I think every other pirate - yes, even guys like Whitebeard - would accept you as the new Pirate King.
"By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!"
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luffy losing to whitebeard….but still finding the one piece that is something other than gold or something... the trust of his crew, the bonds that grew etc... and after losing he´ll find it the true one piece and everyone will admit it...
on becoming yonkou...may he will be called but i don´t think so...like i get it...they are the emperors of areas so luffy has to pass them in some way, but i don´t think that luffy gives a sh*t about being called any other thing than pirate king.
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I don't think you have to be the strongest pirate and beat the shit out of everybody to get the One Piece. Sure, it could help you a lot if you would do so, but in the end it just matters if you get the One Piece. And if you'd get it, I think every other pirate - yes, even guys like Whitebeard - would accept you as the new Pirate King.
You would kinda need to be the strongest because if you aren't the strongest pirate will just take OP away from you after you find it. Gol D Roger had it all wealth, POWER and fame. I really doubt someone like WB will just bow down to you just because you found something. I mean he still battled with GDR when he was active even though GDR had the title of PK.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Yeah, but the point is that Luffy will not comform with becoming a Yonkou. Hell, I don't even think he would want to be a Yonkou and join the 3POWERS Game of the world…
I dont think any of the Yonkou are voluntarily a part of that.
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Like Gorlom said, besides when you find One Piece, you become the
Pirate KING. You think other pirates will be ruled by someone inferior to them? (I know you don't really become a king but do you think Luffy will be acknowledged unless he is NOT the strongest pirate in the world?) Also do you think these four Yonkou are just gonna let Luffy waltz in and take One Piece? No matter what, getting One Piece isn't as simple as just finding it. There are other people who want it including the Yonkou and they will have to fight it out to see who can get their hands on it. Also, I always thought Yonkou was always an unofficial term given by the WG. A form of a nickname if you will to refer to the four pirates closest to One Piece. I never thought any of the four Yonkou even acknowledged that title like Luffy wouldn't unless they're total ego heads about it like Crocodile was being a Shickibukai. If Luffy beats one of them, he will have surpassed a Yonkou meaning he'll be closer to One Piece than that Yonkou since he is stronger than him. Since Luffy is closer to One Piece than one of the Yonkou, then Luffy will have to become a Yonkou since the Yonku are SUPPOSED to be the four closest pirates to One Piece. -
If Luff trashes a Yonkou, I would assume that his bounty would skyrocket like crazy and the government would do everything in their power to take them down. Not only has he already taken down 2 shichibukai, but he's trashed CP9 as well. If he takes down a Yonkou, the whole world might be after him.
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Like Gorlom said, besides when you find One Piece, you become the
Pirate KING. You think other pirates will be ruled by someone inferior to them? (I know you don't really become a king but do you think Luffy will be acknowledged unless he is NOT the strongest pirate in the world?) Also do you think these four Yonkou are just gonna let Luffy waltz in and take One Piece? No matter what, getting One Piece isn't as simple as just finding it. There are other people who want it including the Yonkou and they will have to fight it out to see who can get their hands on it. Also, I always thought Yonkou was always an unofficial term given by the WG. A form of a nickname if you will to refer to the four pirates closest to One Piece. I never thought any of the four Yonkou even acknowledged that title like Luffy wouldn't unless they're total ego heads about it like Crocodile was being a Shickibukai. If Luffy beats one of them, he will have surpassed a Yonkou meaning he'll be closer to One Piece than that Yonkou since he is stronger than him. Since Luffy is closer to One Piece than one of the Yonkou, then Luffy will have to become a Yonkou since the Yonku are SUPPOSED to be the four closest pirates to One Piece.technically the Yonkou are the closest to being Pirate King. Seriously, Luffy dream is to be Pirate King by way of finding One Piece. I suspect that a few of the Yonkou, who do want to be Pirate King, aren't looking for One Piece. Becuase, wouldn't they of found it?
Shanks and Whitebeard can just laze around, then they are clearly not looking for it. And they're not looking for it because no one has found it. Because if no one has found it yet, its gotta be lost somewhere, not just sitting on some island that no one has found the time to go too.
The only thing that Luffy's got that others don't is Nico Robin. She's clearly the key. She can read the writing or whatever. So while the Yonkou are trying to be PIRATE KING, I don't think they're trying to claim One Piece. So even if Luffy does beat 'em up, he's gonna keep sailing. So the loser, or someone else, will just reclaim the territory.
Sorry for the jumble, very jumbled ideas…
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Erm dude, sorry for saying this but that kinda sounds erm dumb. To be the Pirate King, you HAVE TO find One Piece. It's kinda like the whole point of trying to become Pirate King. If it were just about strength, then that would make White Beard Pirate King, but no one calls him that. Anyway, i'm sure there is something big keeping all the other Yonkou from getting to One Piece, whatever it is, I can't wait to find out^^
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luffy losing to whitebeard….but still finding the one piece that is something other than gold or something... the trust of his crew, the bonds that grew etc... and after losing he´ll find it the true one piece and everyone will admit it...
Like finding freedom thru knowledge about the true nature of the worlds history engraved in some (rio)porneglyph?
never ever. as much as i admire oda for his work, i would not expect to find any komplex solution at the end of the series…
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Crocodile didn't make the Shichibukai because of one move, he got in because they recognized his rising power and influence. They stopped him before he doubled his bounty, remember, so it's clear that he was movin' on up to the East Side before they recruited him.
