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[Aycee]

It's really Oda who should be judging this…But since it's a forum...We should all get together and give our crazy opinions and stuff like that...

Right now...I think Zoro can beat Mihawk...

Coz I had this cool dream...
Now...you could consider this as a fanfic...

Zoro was currently more skilled than before...And then...Zoro met with Mihawk.
Zoro challenged Mihawk into a batlle. Mihawk accepted.
Mihawk still thought that Zoro was still incapable of using swords. So he underestimated Zoro and pulled out his little knife thing...Like the one in my avatar. But instead...Mihawk got many wounds...

So Mihawk got provoked to use his really big sword.
And when they were forced to make their final blows...Mihawk's sword got broken beacause of the Sanzen Sekai technique...

Mihawk wanted to quit...But Zoro insisted on continuing.
So Zoro gave him his Sandai Kitetsu(the cursed one)...
Though Mihawk was educated with swords, he couldnt clearly see the sword anymore because he was almost fainting...

So that's when Mihawk ran towards Zoro with the Sendai Kitetsu, and tripped on a rock and he fell...And got KO!!!

I still think that Zoro can beat Mihawk in his new status right now…
He did discover many things as he began travelling

[Zoro33]

I'd say…cut his throat open
or...slice him, take his innards out, wrap them around his neck and hang him.

[loulou]

Sure he's gotten stronger, but I don't think he's ready to face Mihawk yet (and let's face it, you know the Strawhats are going to be challenged by more strong bad guys before that happens).

However, I always imagined that Zoro's eventual fight with Mihawk is going to be quick and easy. Zoro's constant training and fighing big bad guys is a huge build up, and when he goes up against Mihawk, we're going to expect it to be hard for Zoro– but then it will turn out that Zoro has far surpassed Mihawk, and will wipe him out in two seconds. It might not happen that way, but that's just how I imagine it.

Btw, I don't think Zoro would ever give Mihawk his cursed sword under those circumstances, because that's dishonorable.

[Aycee]

Yeah, you're right.It's not honorable.
But just think, the greatest swordsman in the world fallin in the hands of the cursed sword. But for Mihawk, I think he wouldn't fall to it.
Besides, Mihawk would probablly be more deserving for it than Zoro.

[wolfwood]

mihawk would ass rape him again,

zoro is no where near ready to take on mihawk they arent even in the same league yet.

[Thedevil]

Originally posted by wolfwood@May 10 2005, 02:23 PM
**mihawk would ass rape him again,

zoro is no where near ready to take on mihawk they arent even in the same league yet.
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unfortunatly i agree with you wolfwood(its not that i desrespect you or anything but zoro is my fav character) zoro needs more training and fight more swordman

[Aycee]

Fine, fine…
It's all fine by me...At least I should know how far ZOro is from MihawK?

10 years, 20, 30, 5, 1....ect...(Please dont say a million years coz I doubt that it would be...Oda would probablly make them battle again and I dont think Zoro would be beaten anymore)

[wolfwood]

my own guess would be a million years :P

but i suppose he will be as good as mihawk if not better when onepiece ends but how many years in onepiece time it will take i dont know since i dont know how many years it has taken him to reach this level he is on now.

[P' Cinq]

for now,i think one piece is just not even more than 1 year (count the time in the cartoon) ..maybe around 2months or 3 months

edit: or maybe 4 or 5 months

[wolfwood]

oh really only a few months,

i would guess that theyve been traveling together for about a year or two but then again i have no proff of this,

[P' Cinq]

you could guess it easy ..it's not more than 1 year ..trust me ..

edit : like in Arlong Park Arc,they don't need 3days days to stay in that island ..fighting don krieg ,just used half day, fighting Kuro, just using half day ..going to logue town and go to grand line ,using half day , met the Whale with the same they,they went after logue town ,and then went to another island (that baroque works island) withing the half of the night , and etc ,going Little garden,just use half day ,in the place met chopper ,used like 1 day or something to stay there , and arabasta arc ,i guess it took around 6 or 7 days for them .. and after beating croc ,and going to skypea ,they took only around 1 and half day to go to skypea and back to sea ..and then ..they went to the island and play davy back fight ,used half day ..then later met aokiji used not more than 4 hour.. and then go to water 7 ..i think ,atm in water 7 arc ,they are just used around 6~7 hour at there ..not sure how long it takes after all..

[Zio]

Originally posted by PortgasDeAycee@May 10 2005, 05:13 AM
I still think that Zoro can beat Mihawk in his new status right now…
He did discover many things as he began travelling
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(Been waiting to use that picture)

Anyway, sure Zoro learned to cut steel and has improved greatly thanks to his training. But keep in mind that Mihawk already knows how to cut steel and even deflect bullets just by holding out his sword. Right now, if Zoro and Mihawk fought, all that would happen is Mihawk either stick with his small dagger or go for a bigger knife, but not the Black Sword immediatly.

[wolfwood]

i think the main thing that takes time is the traveling between diffrent islands and we cant really tell how much time was spent on sea now can we they could have been sailing for weeks at a time who knows,

and 7 days in alabasta ?
come on the must have been walking thru the desert for at least 2-3 days and the rest couldnt have taken just 4 days sorry just cant belive that part or the 1,5 days in skypiea thing that doesnt seem to likely to me,

althought if Oda himself were to so it was so i admit to being wrong :P

[Thedevil]

they took a long time in to travel to alabasta took a week or so.
Zio how do you now that mihawk can cut steel. yo dont have to now how to cut steel in order to be the bes swordman

[Zio]

Originally posted by Thedevil@May 10 2005, 09:57 AM
Zio how do you now that mihawk can cut steel. yo dont have to now how to cut steel in order to be the bes swordman
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Well, Zoro's original two swords had to broken somehow and yet, I don't believe Mihawk is the kind of person who has enough raw power to break them or to go against his philosphy of swordsmanship. Remember, this is the guy that said "If a sword does not have gentleness, it is not strong" (Soure from the MSN manga group and their translater for that chapter, Mangascreener.com. Viz replaces that line with "Without subtlety, a sword is but an iron bar" You can take your pick on which is the better line, I really don't care.)

[Thedevil]

its interesting to see that the filler where zoro is with johnny talks about that. but zoro's sword were like nothing and mihawk has the best sword in the universe with his skills there were bound to brake. plus i thought his sword broke so he can buy the new ones. sandaia and yubashiri

[Zio]

Originally posted by Thedevil@May 10 2005, 10:15 AM
its interesting to see that the filler where zoro is with johnny talks about that. but zoro's sword were like nothing and mihawk has the best sword in the universe with his skills there were bound to brake. plus i thought his sword broke so he can buy the new ones. sandaia and yubashiri
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So..you're suggesting that Mihawk's Black Sword is not made of ordinary steel like the original swords Zoro had (and his treasured sword) but of a material stronger than steel, yet able to be shaped into a sword easily?

OK…Moving on. (Because there's basically no way that can be proven true or false..unless one of us wants to contact Oda on that. And who knows what kind of answer we would get?)

If Zoro's swords would have never been broken, he wouldn't have bothered to go to the sword shop in Louge Town. It's sort of common sense to not buy more weapons than you need, espically when you need to carry them with you all the time.

[Lurker]

Looking at the first post pains my head from the sheer stupidity.

And now we have to discuss a Thread-A Holic's member's highly specific ideas? His "cool" dream? Tripping over a rock and being KO'ed?

This stuff is all speculation, and we all know how Oda likes to surprise us.

Dude, if you really like One Piece, get out of the fandom. It's for the good of us. Also, troll somewhere else, will you? You're old enough.

[Majek]

Zoro only needs to destroy Mihawks sword and it'll be over. :lol: anything can be destroyed :)

[Zio]

Originally posted by Lurker@May 10 2005, 01:13 PM
**Looking at the first post pains my head from the sheer stupidity.

And now we have to discuss a Thread-A Holic's member's highly specific ideas? His "cool" dream? Tripping over a rock and being KO'ed?

This stuff is all speculation, and we all know how Oda likes to surprise us.

Dude, if you really like One Piece, get out of the fandom. It's for the good of us. Also, troll somewhere else, will you? You're old enough.
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Lurker, if you really like Arlong Park, stop talking. It's for the good of everyone who ever goes on a internet forum. You're old enough to be a little bit more mature.

[Mafioso11]

i'm sure that zoro will be able to put up a good fight the next time he faces mihawk (which i'm sure won't be anytime soon) and win. i don't think it'll be a quick little battle and it's over, mihawk wasn't anywhere near going all out last time. i think once they both go all out they'll be very close in status but zoro will take the gold. i think it'll be a very close match but mihawk will end up losing.

[Ivotas]

How Zoro will beat Mihawk??? With his Katana of course! :P

[element alchemist]

right at his current state i don't think that zoro would win but give mihawk a good fight. in a couple of months i think zoro could beat mihawk by using the seris of combos like he did against mr.1, then use three thousand worlds, but than two of his swords brake again. then he would use his shi-shi shun-shun attack to finish mihawk off. :)

[Buccaneer]

I'm just guessin' here, but I'd say it's been about 3 months since Mihawk fought Zoro, in OP time. That wasn't nearly enough time for Zoro to learn to beat the dagger, let alone Mihawk's Black Sword. I think the gap has just BARELY been shortened.

[element alchemist]

i ment another three months after water seven.

[Buccaneer]

I'd still give it to Mihawk. It may take a whole year for Zoro to get on that level. He's even been slacking lately.

[wolfwood]

eh so everyone is agreeing that its only been a few months ? :o

ah well i guess you guys know something i dont so ill admit defeat still its freaking unbelivbel that its been that short period of time.

[Mafioso11]

wow, i'm sure it's been less than a year but only a few months? these guys sure have come a LONG way in such a short time. at this rate, within a couple years they could have the power to overcome even whitebeard and his crew imo.

[wolfwood]

yep seems really weird :blink:

those guys has gotta have a jet engine on their ship to be sailing across the world at such speed :P

[anime606]

I have seen no improvement in zrors or anyone elses power. they have had adventures,…but thats it. Zoro is no closer to deafiting mihack than he was in the last fight, imo.

[Thedevil]

how are you saying that zoro hasnt improved he can cut steel, air and i think he improved alot but we havent seen any opponent so far that zoro couldnt handle he should meet a strond guy then we would now if he improved or not

[Starlight]

Originally posted by Buccaneer@May 10 2005, 07:18 PM
I'd still give it to Mihawk. It may take a whole year for Zoro to get on that level. He's even been slacking lately.
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Yup, Zoro still has a long way to go, before he can even think of challenging Mihawk. :lol: Not that Zoro hasn't improved a lot, he just isn't ready yet. :lol:

[Ivotas]

Originally posted by anime606@May 11 2005, 01:44 AM
I have seen no improvement in zrors or anyone elses power. they have had adventures,…but thats it. Zoro is no closer to deafiting mihack than he was in the last fight, imo.
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I´d say the character´s have mad a big fighting improvement. It´s just the style of One Piece that we don´t need an idiotic next transformation level to explain that to the fans.

You need to think about it the the fighters Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are 17, 18 and 19 years old. They are all strong but still their bodies and strenght grow even if they wouldn´t train. It´s just a simple biologic fact.

Now if you think what they did before they became pirate. Luffy was probably training in his home village except for Ace (only hypothetic) he never had a real challenge. And even then I guess that fights with the brother are better in terms of experience then a real to the death fight.

Zoro was around practicing all his life. After he left the dojo he only challenged small pirates.

Sanji was even just in the Baratie the entire time and probably he didn´t beat up any big pirates himself.

But since they all became pirates they´ve faced bigger and bigger pirates. They made many near death experiences. That is something you don´t get in training. It changes your complete understanding of a fight aswell as your own behaviour in a fight. Whenever you get pushed to go over your own limits in a fight, you make progress and get better.
And just as I said above, since they are young they still "grow" (strenght wise). Oda doesn´t have to waste pages to explain that, it is obvious that it happened. ;)

[Aycee]

I'd really love to see Zoro cutting diamond…I hope Mihawk has a diamond blade...

[Zio]

Originally posted by PortgasDeAycee@May 11 2005, 05:06 AM
I'd really love to see Zoro cutting diamond…I hope Mihawk has a diamond blade...
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Unfortunatly for you, that Zoro doesn't want to learn how to cut diamond. He said it after Mr. 1 asked him if he would cut diamond next.

[Thedevil]

actually he said dont you think your exagurating something with this meaning.

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by Zio+May 11 2005, 12:42 PM–>QUOTE(Zio @ May 11 2005, 12:42 PM)

[Ivotas]

Originally posted by Buccaneer+May 11 2005, 08:58 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ May 11 2005, 08:58 PM) _> Originally posted by Zio@May 11 2005, 12:42 PM

**I'd really love to see Zoro cutting diamond…I hope Mihawk has a diamond blade...
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Unfortunatly for you, that Zoro doesn't want to learn how to cut diamond. He said it after Mr. 1 asked him if he would cut diamond next.
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That always made me wonder. Was that a joke? 'Cause I figured Zoro would want to be unstoppable. Especially since Mihawk can probably fillet diamond.
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Well I always interpret it that he just said it because in that situation the answer is more fitting while climatic instead of just responding with yes or no. Besides if Mihawk truly can cut diamonds then it would be an absolute must for Zoro to obtain that skill too, because otherwise he can´t surpass Mihawk._

[Ubiq]

You know, I don't think anybody has pointed this out yet, but:

Mihawk is probably stronger than he was when he last fought Zoro.

The guy is the top swordsman in the world, so he's bound to have people coming after him all of the time to try and unseat him. Most of them are going to be like Zoro and are nowhere near ready yet to fight him. But Mihawk has likely spent all of the time since he left the Baratie on the Grand Line, so he probably has a steady stream of powerful swordsman coming after him. You'd think one of those would prove to be at least a slight challenge.

Mihawk enjoys a good nap as well as a good drink like Zoro, but most of his waking time is spent roaming the Grand Line in a very tiny boat by himself. So monsters, pirates, and horrendous weather are constantly being thrown at him, which is bound to make the guy even stronger. Plus, he just seems like kind of person to me that would spend his spare time perfecting technique.

So Zoro is narrowing the gap to the point where Mihawk was when they fought, not necessarily where Mihawk is now. Even then, Zoro is just now getting to the point where he can barely do things that Mihawk can do almost subconciously.

[thelousy]

To me, in order for zoro to be able to be on the same par as mihawk, he needs more skills and not juz depend on "material destruction". It does help in concentration but how does that help when he goes nervous whenever he sees mihawk and wonders "Can i beat that fella?" Somehow i've a feeling zoro will never beat mihawk till the final arc of One piece…which could be ages away

[freedom]

Mihawk could tell right away before Zoro even did one move how strong Zoro was, and that's why he took out that little knife. I'd expect Mihawk to win if they faced off again right now, though I think Mihawk would probably say something like "wow, you've improved alot, show me what you've learned these last few months", but i'd still expect Zoro to lose right now.

As for the timeline… it has to be a few months... they don't spend alot of time on hanging out on islands like Shanks and Buggy and other pirates. at least in the grand line, they spend at much time as is needed for the log post to set for the next island, and then they're off again. but, i do think they spend many days moving from island to island, and that's probably where most of the time is taken up. For example, after Robin and Luffy were frozen, they stayed anchored at see for a few days didn't they.

[joekido the Second]

Zoro will have to learn Teleport trick, techiques to predict movements, grin more reflex, learn to cut more hard minreals like diamonds gold titrum mytril and crystel, and learn much of the sword abilities before taking down Mihawk.

[Buccaneer]

I think Mihawk's peaked. Or at least close o his peak. Zoro's probabl only half his age, so I think he has far more groth potential.

Of course, even when Zoro's ready, he'll just barely beat Mihawk.

[Daz]

Zoro needs to face other swordsmen with technique, so they can get up close and exchange "blows" like he did with Mihawk, and Mr 1. And we know the result: Mihawk owned him, and once he'd learned to cut steel he finished off mr 1 with one slash, like nearly every other opponent he has faced.
An exclusion is Kaku, where the battle could have been quite long had his chisel not been cut. Otherwise, they were pretty even-Kaku didn't even break a sweat.

In short, Zoro needs more technique…He needs to become so skilled that he can rely on Wado alone, be it for power or "Sublety". At least in my opinion, Zoro oughtta face Mihawk with only one sword.

Another thing is, Zoro needs to learn the power Mihawk has to cut immense objects like Kriegs ship, and like what Cp9 did to Galley-la Hq through their kicks. The phoenix slash isn't nowhere near that level.

[Buccaneer]

The "Phoenix Slash" can triple in power.

People assume that he uses three swords simply because he sucks with one. It's just his style. Using more than one sword doesn't make it eaier.

Also, they weren't even. He cut Kaku's weapon like nothing. He just wasn't paying attention.

[wolfwood]

actualy he is pretty bad with one sword remember when he was fighting with those cat guys on kuros crew ?
he was having a hard time cause he had to fight with one sword but when he got the other two he won easily,

and he even said that he was no good with onesword style.

and right they werent even kaku was superior :P

[freedom]

Originally posted by wolfwood@May 12 2005, 01:38 PM
**actualy he is pretty bad with one sword remember when he was fighting with those cat guys on kuros crew ?
he was having a hard time cause he had to fight with one sword but when he got the other two he won easily,

and he even said that he was no good with onesword style.

and right they werent even kaku was superior :P
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that was back when Zoro was still a newb… i'm sure if he encountered any of the guys from East Blue again, he'd take them out easily with one sword.

[luffink]

Zoro won´t still beat Mihawk. if they cross again, Zoro will lose, but maybe the cursed sword could give some problems to the old Hawk Eyes…

[wolfwood]

Originally posted by freedom+May 12 2005, 10:16 PM–>QUOTE(freedom @ May 12 2005, 10:16 PM)

[freedom]

ah, i see. point taken ^_^