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    Oda's inspiration: 3 mega story arcs

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      Hey wait hold on, to those people who said that this is "just a manga",

      yeah, i'm inclined to agree with you, it is just a manga.

      But I think this is a manga that Oda spent a lot of time researching on before he wrote and put a lot of heart into. Before you bring up quotes like "One Piece is not so deep", please first read into the context to which he wrote that. The letter said something about Sodom and Gomorrah having the fates of said cities in the Bible. Yet, we know that nothing like this happened in One Piece i.e. S and G didn't get wasted by the Government. Hence Oda's words. But if someone brings up a point that does seem relevant, then i don't think it'd be a "just a manga" anymore. I think Oda would be happy to know that people actually do take the effort to try to decipher where he collected his research material from and how he has adapted them in his story.

      So please don't dismiss topics like these.

      yeah sorry for the interruption.

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        Will you stop connecting your anti semith shit to one piece? And stop act like your "zionist work Satan" crap is fact

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          I think it's nice that someone would take their time to try and connect elements of One Piece to real life culture/philosophy/history. It's not wrong to look deep into a series to see where the author gained his inspiration from, but I have to agree that it is a a bit over the top Masta D.

          After all I doubt that Oda really has any hidden messages or meanings l ike that in One Piece. While it's common for authors to be inspired in such ways you're trying to make One Piece something it isn't. That's just my opinion though.

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            Then Oda's a psychic as that particular plot arc proceeded the invasion of Iraq by several years. If I'm not mistaken, the invasion of Iraq was roughly around halfway through Skypiea or well over a year after Alabasta ended.

            I said that was possible, I never researched the year in which Oda wrote specific story arcs.

            Will you stop connecting your anti semith shit to one piece? And stop act like your "zionist work Satan" crap is fact

            I'm not anti-semetist, I'm anti-Totalitarionist. In fact, I despise some of the things Russians did even more than Israelies. And the Civil War is and always will be one of the most horrendous acts done by America (Even moreso than the killing/exiling of Palestinians).

            Did you know the Jews who live in your country aren't even (biologically) real Jews…? The original ones were black gasp!.

            And want some "facts"...? Go here son, http://www.pgorg.com/ww1.html

            http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Vegethan

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                Just to clarify for certain narrow minded individuals in this discussion:

                IT IS NOT ABSURD TO SUGGEST MORE THAN 1 thing influenced even a single concept in the story. That is what this whole thread is about.

                It is when your suggestions are filled with holes.

                @ Zephos: The Aztecs are the ones who the Europeans claimed had gold. I'd pick them, but too many strange variables were involved with that war. For one thing, disease was brought over and took ad toll on Native sides (Not in present setting, and don't pull the tree disease out of your ass, that was before Norland even came). Second, the Natives were kicking butt for 75% of that battle and OUTNUMBERED the invaders. Third, their leader saw Cortez as a God (The OPPOSITE of Luffy and Enel).

                I didn't say the Aztecs inspired the plot, I said they inspired the designs.

                -Luffy gained support from the Skypeians BEFORE taking on the Enelists. His justification was "for the monkey's" and like Pizarro, he was mostly after the gold.
                Two angels, a former King, two pirate crews, and unanimous Civilian support isn't enough for you…?

                Wtf are you talking about?
                He had 2 locals and a crazy old exile king on his side, and absolutely no one else.

                You haven't discounted the FACT Luffy was after gold, and ran away after "stealing it" in a humorus fashion refferencing Hernando Cortez (As I said earlier).

                Why would something as generic as "pirates stealin gold" be a connection?

                As for settling, well, the Sarumayans were basically doing that by wallowing in the mud of Jaya and sending the Straw-Hats to the other half.

                That has nothing to do with settling, seriously, drop it. They aren't colonists at all.

                Everyone did need anymore PH34R, they knew what Enel could do. Also, Luffy couldn't reason with Waipa until the SH's explained he was trying to ring the bell for Cricket's descendant…and he burst into tears. They (Shandians and some Skypeans) also knew that Gan Fall was the former "God", and Enel usurped his throne. Sound familiar...? ZOMG, L1ek, Civil War b4 th3 colonists c4me...! 😴 I said that…

                So I'll just repeat myself because this still dosen't fit at all.

                "Ata fought his brother for the empire after thier father died.

                Ener blew up a different place than came and conquered another place.

                No connection aside from dudes becoming leaders through violence."

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                  And the Civil War is and always will be one of the most horrendous acts done by America

                  On itself against itself?
                  How is the american Civil War horrendous?

                  @Arch:

                  So please don't dismiss topics like these.

                  Watch me.

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                    some other connections like Arabasta Arab-lands are real
                    others are just plot coincidence and imagination
                    dont go into supernatural powers much in one piece
                    there is no devil but humans in it

                    by the way for who dont even know what zionism is there is a good website that I can recommend
                    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

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                      @Masta:

                      I said that was possible, I never researched the year in which Oda wrote specific story arcs.

                      Perhaps you ought to do so then before postulating theories about what Oda's intent was. Anybody can come up with a half-baked theory if they don't have all the facts.

                      And the Civil War is and always will be one of the most horrendous acts done by America

                      By what standard exactly? In terms of people killed, the Civil War is somewhere around fourth or fifth on the list of wars that the United States has been involved in. It was the bloodiest war for the United States, but our history is one of a country that is extremely proficient at killing far more people than we lose ourselves.

                      As far as moral outrages go, there's are several instances in American history above that.

                      Complicating things since 2009.

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                        By what standard exactly? In terms of people killed, the Civil War is somewhere around fourth or fifth on the list of wars that the United States has been involved in. It was the bloodiest war for the United States, but our history is one of a country that is extremely proficient at killing far more people than we lose ourselves.

                        As far as moral outrages go, there's are several instances in American history above that.

                        I'd say Vietnam was probably one of the worst things we've ever done >< I'm so unpatriotic it's not even funny…I think I'll move to Canada XD

                        Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.

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                          I'd say Vietnam was probably one of the worst things we've ever done >< I'm so unpatriotic it's not even funny…I think I'll move to Canada XD

                          Vietnam was just a disaster on all accounts.

                          I wouldn't however say it was horrendous in particular though, as a whole.

                          I mean cmon, were the nation that hung on to slavery like a teddy bear that Mama wanted to throw away. Theres worse dirt than being pointlessly involved in foreign affair because we were worried about communism spreading.

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                            Vietnam was just a disaster on all accounts.

                            I wouldn't however say it was horrendous in particular though, as a whole.

                            I mean cmon, were the nation that hung on to slavery like a teddy bear that Mama wanted to throw away. Theres worse dirt than being pointlessly involved in foreign affair because we were worried about communism spreading.

                            Well….the key word there is pointless....we really had no buisness being up in there killing whoever we damn well pleased...and the napalm and other terrible chmicals......killed envirnment stuff too.....I really hate that we have to go around and fuck ip everyone elses countries because the way shit works is different....that's pretty wrong to me....at least in the Civil War, we were maintaining peace and morality within our own boundries....

                            Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.

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                              Well….the key word there is pointless....we really had no buisness being up in there killing whoever we damn well pleased...and the napalm and other terrible chmicals......killed envirnment stuff too.....I really hate that we have to go around and fuck ip everyone elses countries because the way shit works is different....that's pretty wrong to me....at least in the Civil War, we were maintaining peace and morality within our own boundries....

                              We were helping one side not be overun by the other side, so it wasn't a cultural intrusion.

                              Was it our buisness? Not at all.
                              But we weren't just randomly shooting people because we didn't like Vietnamese ways or anything.

                              All in all we mostly fucked ourselves in the ass than other people in that one.
                              We just stalled the inevitable. Lost soldiers for a cause that didn't mean a shit to our country.
                              At least the Vietcong, SVA, and NVA soldiers lost thier lives for a cause.

                              Most of the attrocities there were on squad level rather than the command.
                              Like Mai Lai.

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                                We were helping one side not be overun by the other side, so it wasn't a cultural intrusion.

                                Was it our buisness? Not at all.
                                But we weren't just randomly shooting people because we didn't like Vietnamese ways or anything.

                                All in all we mostly fucked ourselves in the ass than other people in that one.
                                We just stalled the inevitable. Lost soldiers for a cause that didn't mean a shit to our country.
                                At least the Vietcong, SVA, and NVA soldiers lost thier lives for a cause.

                                Most of the attrocities there were on squad level rather than the command.
                                Like Mai Lai.

                                Eh, I've been reading a true story about this soldier in Vietnam and a lot of them kind of did just shoot people for no reason. ans still, I don't think in Vietnam they lost thier lives for a reason, I believe that 'Nam was a very pointless war in general….and I think, and at least in the civila war we were only enforcing our own justice on ourselves, instead of fucking around outside of our buisness with people who were really no threat to us XP
                                Overall, we did more attrocity in vietnam I think, wether it was on a command level or not....

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                                  Eh, I've been reading a true story about this soldier in Vietnam and a lot of them kind of did just shoot people for no reason. ans still, I don't think in Vietnam they lost thier lives for a reason, I believe that 'Nam was a very pointless war in general….and I think, and at least in the civila war we were only enforcing our own justice on ourselves, instead of fucking around outside of our buisness with people who were really no threat to us XP
                                  Overall, we did more attrocity in vietnam I think, wether it was on a command level or not....

                                  I have no doubt the things that happend in Vietnam on the soldier level were done by any side in any war that involved civilians.
                                  Its almost saddly inevitable.

                                  Real bad attrocities are ones out of the oridinary, Mai Lai was done on orders from captains rather than one or two loose cannon assholes or paranoid guys.

                                  It was also STOPPED by an american helicopter unit too. Who basically told the squad to fucking stop or else they were getting "friendly" fired.

                                  When I think of singular uber attrocities, controversial or no, the atomic bombs dropped on cities in japan still seems to be on that level.
                                  If we were trying to frighten the Japanese government with them than we could have dropped them on a fleet of warships or a military base.

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                                    @Masta:

                                    And want some "facts"…? Go here son, http://www.pgorg.com/ww1.html

                                    _The Jews are money lenders, usurers, and it was this that earned them the opprobrium of the people they came amongst.

                                    They have moved from country to country, changing their names, adopting whatever language was convenient, yet staying apart, jealously guarding their Jewish identity. Parasites act in the same way, living off their victims, manipulating and destroying. Yet even parasites manage to live in some sort of symbiosis with their hosts. Jews however, over millenia, seem to have found it difficult._

                                    i see

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                                      I have no doubt the things that happend in Vietnam on the soldier level were done by any side in any war that involved civilians.
                                      Its almost saddly inevitable.

                                      Real bad attrocities are ones out of the oridinary, Mai Lai was done on orders from captains rather than one or two loose cannon assholes or paranoid guys.

                                      It was also STOPPED by an american helicopter unit too. Who basically told the squad to fucking stop or else they were getting "friendly" fired.

                                      When I think of singular uber attrocities, controversial or no, the atomic bombs dropped on cities in japan still seems to be on that level.
                                      If we were trying to frighten the Japanese government with them than we could have dropped them on a fleet of warships or a military base.

                                      Ah that's right, the bombs…..yeah, those were pretty bad.......I concede to that one.....

                                      I've just realized how deep One Piece truly is! One Piece is the future! The World Government is the US government, the Lost Civization is, like, Japan XP or something...the reason the owrld is made up of a bunch of islands? too much bombing....Sea Kings? Radiation....Devil Fruits? Radiation or genetic tampering. XD

                                      Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.

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                                        _The Jews are money lenders, usurers, and it was this that earned them the opprobrium of the people they came amongst.

                                        They have moved from country to country, changing their names, adopting whatever language was convenient, yet staying apart, jealously guarding their Jewish identity. Parasites act in the same way, living off their victims, manipulating and destroying. Yet even parasites manage to live in some sort of symbiosis with their hosts. Jews however, over millenia, seem to have found it difficult._

                                        i see

                                        Theories defeated, bigoted sources, overall creepyness.
                                        Close thread a mod.

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                                          _The Jews are money lenders, usurers, and it was this that earned them the opprobrium of the people they came amongst.

                                          They have moved from country to country, changing their names, adopting whatever language was convenient, yet staying apart, jealously guarding their Jewish identity. Parasites act in the same way, living off their victims, manipulating and destroying. Yet even parasites manage to live in some sort of symbiosis with their hosts. Jews however, over millenia, seem to have found it difficult._

                                          Yeah, it's so hard to walk around town and meet a Jew that's a part of normal society these days.

                                          wait…....huh?

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                                            Yeah, it's so hard to walk around town and meet a Jew that's a part of normal society these days.

                                            wait…....huh?

                                            How do the Beastie Boys figure into all this.

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                                              Vietnam is the old Iraq.

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                                                One Piece is as deep as the greed, fear, and stupidity that lie at the core of human nature. This is not to say that humanity is without virtue; bravery would be called foolishness and generosity derided as a waste of time were that true. But it is not true, and bravery and generosity are both praised as virtues. And so, those stories that are most popular with young and old are those whose heroes are brave or generous, or both. So One Piece is also as shallow as the selflessness, courage, and wisdom that lie at the heart of all human virtue.

                                                In such context, I like "It's not that deep" better than "It's so deep and well researched!" Better a shallow story to stir our hearts to kindness than a deep parable to remind us of all our shortcomings.

                                                I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                                                  I love this thread.

                                                  Please tell me where Xenu fits into all of this.

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                                                    Why did the jews wander in the desert for more than 40 years?

                                                    Because one of them dropped a dime.

                                                    Har har har

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                                                      Why did the jews wander in the desert for more than 40 years?
                                                      Because one of them dropped a dime.

                                                      ^^that joke's my favourite

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                                                        I love this thread.

                                                        Please tell me where Xenu fits into all of this.

                                                        I'm just waiting for the Mugiwara crew to fight Cuthulu XD

                                                        Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.

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                                                          Perhaps you ought to do so then before postulating theories about what Oda's intent was. Anybody can come up with a half-baked theory if they don't have all the facts.

                                                          You must think I'm an idiot…DUH Oda didn't foresee Iraq. He said Arabasta was similar to Moses-era Egypt and I said it was similar to Iraq.

                                                          The Jews are money lenders, usurers, and it was this that earned them the opprobrium of the people they came amongst.

                                                          They have moved from country to country, changing their names, adopting whatever language was convenient, yet staying apart, jealously guarding their Jewish identity. Parasites act in the same way, living off their victims, manipulating and destroying. Yet even parasites manage to live in some sort of symbiosis with their hosts. Jews however, over millenia, seem to have found it difficult.

                                                          WTF, the jews of today are not the same as the ones 14 centuries ago, or even 400 years ago. Have you read this book…?

                                                          It's real interesting. The "Zionists" are lead by the new Synagogue of Satan, which was formed by John Weishaupt. Watch this:

                                                          Btw, the dude who put on the video, his account was deleted 10 times.

                                                          > Theories defeated, bigoted sources, overall creepyness.

                                                          Close thread a mod.

                                                          It is NOT a theory, it's an Oda's inspiration thread. He himself said he gathered a lot of research material before starting, I believe it was the 1st volume. I don't hate Jews, I'm anti-totalitarionist. I'm anti-zionist. Does that mean I hate all jews…? You'd have to be a bigot yourself to think that way.

                                                          I hate Karl Marx, I hate Mao, I hate Stalin more than anyone actually (Who kicked Jews out of his cabinet). I am sick of the "War on Terror", and I am tired of people taking things like this so lightly…but guess what? That isn't even what I started the thread for.

                                                          This is about ONE PIECE. Now, lets continue…

                                                          An interesting individual mentioned in "Pawns in the Game" is Captain Morgan. Yes, you can believe what I said: http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/illuminati/freemasons_kidnapped_murdered_Morgan.htm
                                                          http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/captmorgansfreemasonry1.htm

                                                          Who is Morgan in One Piece…? A tyrannical, almost Stalinist Marine Captain who rules with fear. Quite contrary to the original, he is corrupt beyond repair. Morgan captures Kuro, through hypnosis, and becomes a well-known figure in East Blue. In the orignal turn of events, Morgan discovers the truth of the Free Masons and attempts to warn people. When they don't listen, he
                                                          flees to Canada, but is killed by Richard Howard. What is Morgan doing now?

                                                          _![](http://groups.msn.com/Secure/0SQCMGFsVbA1A6z0qVRfFCSep5ejFQvvgr!3br3vQ80jnu5NFl imLrQJRHWDvrKl*IFWD0tDJpUHwfV3PAm9LjWpCgH6RSe!BY1q NT61rPiMwAbR6G0baqQ/017.jpg?dc=4675641553709063814)

                                                          The apparent right hand man of Garp springs into action: The target MUST
                                                          be killed.

                                                          Morgan takes off…to where? Obviously not Canada 😆

                                                          And the "Chance encounter" should be an indicator…the fact Morgan has still not appeared, even after the Events of Enies Lobby and narrating the cruelty of Ohara, should speak volumes (no pun intended). Oda is saving him from a grand death scene.

                                                          > "Zomg, Oda alreadi3 said Morgan was based off Morgan t3h pirate111"

                                                          Again, there may be more than one source. The Schichibukai were either inspired by the Pravateers or the 7 samurai (Or both!). A better example is Crocodile for instance. The way he took over Arabast is very Zionistic (Gathering up all the wealth, putting a stranglehold on a resource during plague and famine), but he apparently was doing it for his own ambition. That was the whole point in getting the "Pluton" ship, the Govt. would stop him. In comparison, Croc is modeled after the Peter Pan villain Captain Hook (Which is speculation, but Oda used to watch American movies and Greg made this point too), but Hook obviously wasn't a genius mob-boss. So where did that come from…? Probably Godfather-esque movies. What about the Sand Powers...? Spider-man. You see...? There can be more than one source. Don't act so pragmatic.

                                                          And the Pluton is later used by Oda (During Enies Lobby, Ubiq) as a WMD plot-deice. I see no coincidence.

                                                          In such context, I like "It's not that deep" better than "It's so deep and well researched!" Better a shallow story to stir our hearts to kindness than a deep parable to remind us of all our shortcomings.

                                                          Well I only think the hidden meanings in One Piece are deep, and as the title suggests, the "mega" story arcs.

                                                          Note: Since THAT issue is so sensitive, I think I'm going to have to do something different. And I apologize to any semmetists out there offended by my words. It's your leaders I criticize, not you or your culture. And again, I apologize for being harsh.

                                                          http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Vegethan

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                                                            If I still post here in two years (and I kinda hope I won't), I'll bump the "you've been at AP for too long when" thread and add "when you remember that thread with the guy who thought Oda, a japanese man, was inspired by some wacky jewish conspiracy theories".

                                                            Legendary thread in the making right there.

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                                                              @Aldrich:

                                                              If I still post here in two years (and I kinda hope I won't), I'll bump the "you've been at AP for too long when" thread and add "when you remember that thread with the guy who thought Oda, a japanese man, was inspired by some wacky jewish conspiracy theories".

                                                              Legendary thread in the making right there.

                                                              Cough, WB's flag, (cough).

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                                                                It is NOT a theory,

                                                                Its an unproven conjecture. Yah it is.

                                                                He himself said he gathered a lot of research material before starting, I believe it was the 1st volume.

                                                                And…..???

                                                                I don't hate Jews, I'm anti-totalitarionist. I'm anti-zionist. Does that mean I hate all jews…? You'd have to be a bigot yourself to think that way.

                                                                Your links disagree.

                                                                _Who is Morgan in One Piece…? A tyrannical, almost Stalinist Marine Captain who rules with fear.

                                                                He's an ego maniac.
                                                                Its one of the oldest villain cliches in the book.

                                                                Quite contrary to the original, he is corrupt beyond repair. Morgan captures Kuro, through hypnosis, and becomes a well-known figure in East Blue. In the orignal turn of events, Morgan discovers the truth of the Free Masons and attempts to warn people. When they don't listen, he
                                                                _flees to Canada, but is killed by Richard Howard.

                                                                Well that pretty much solidifies there being no connection between the two whatsoever.

                                                                Morgan takes off…to where? Obviously not Canada 😆

                                                                To a place thats not police custody. What does this have to do with the other Morgan.

                                                                And the "Chance encounter" should be an indicator…the fact Morgan has still not appeared, even after the Events of Enies Lobby and narrating the cruelty of Ohara, should speak volumes (no pun intended). Oda is saving him from a grand death scene.

                                                                Maybe because he's an incredibly minor character who has no real weight in the story worth showing a fate for.

                                                                _Again, there may be more than one source. Like Crocodile for instance. The way he took over Arabast is very Zionistic (Gathering up all the wealth, putting a stranglehold on a resource during plague and famine)

                                                                You mean generic despotic cliches.

                                                                , but he apparently was doing it for his own ambition. That was the whole point in getting the "Pluton" ship, the Govt. would stop him. In comparison, Croc is modeled after the Peter Pan villain Captain Hook (Which is speculation, but Oda used to watch American movies and Greg made this point too), but Hook obviously wasn't a genius mob-boss. So where did that come from…? Probably Godfather-esque movies. What about the Sand Powers...? Spider-man. You see...? There can be more than one source. Don't act so pragmatic.

                                                                Except those are fathomable (except the Spiderman one).

                                                                And the Pluton is later used by Oda (During Enies Lobby, Ubiq) as a WMD plot-deice. I see no coincidence.

                                                                Whats the connection now Doc?

                                                                Note: Since THAT issue is so sensitive, I think I'm going to have to do something different. And I apologize to any semmetists out there offended by my words. It's you leaders I criticize, not you or your culture. And again, I apologize for being harsh.

                                                                sigh

                                                                Do you have a Gaia account? Because it feels like it.___

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                                                                  Dude, you're just reading into things too much. You're connecting dots that don't exist. You're obsessed with all this Zionist stuff, that much is obvious. But please don't try to push it on One Piece. Everything you mentioned was you bringing out small similarities that could be done with anything. It's like saying Nami has orange hair and she likes oranges. Does that make her an orange? (OK bad example but I can't think of anything at the moment) Oda-sensei is a genius who researches hard to perfect his manga. However I doubt he bothers with all this Zionistic crap. He doesn't have time to worry about this stuff. HE HAS A MANGA TO DRAW!!! What's really insulting is that you're trying to say that all the plots he came up with were copied by him. All these plots, he came up with himself. People like you just insist on trying to find similarities between certain things and saying it connects them. It does not. It's just a coincidence. COINCIDENCE!!! Luff is a naval sea term. is that were Luffy got his name? No. Oda-sensei stated he just came up with it from his heart (ooh much better example) It was just a coincidence. You're reading too much into things. I'm sure he'd be flattered by all your hard work looking into this stuff but seriously, enough is enough.

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                                                                    @Masta:

                                                                    WTF, the jews of today are not the same as the ones 14 centuries ago, or even 400 years ago.

                                                                    i was just quoting from that web site of yours that is full of blunt generalisations that produce more problems than they solve.

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                                                                      Cough, WB's flag, (cough).

                                                                      Do you have a NarutoFan account? Because:

                                                                      I'm sure the fabulous gents here would like to read about what you think Kishimoto's inspirations for the Uchiha clan slaughter were.

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                                                                        Allow me a moment to explain something to people who don't quite understand a basic concept of opinion as it relates to History. Many people operate on the assumption that each and every opinion is in some valid and should be respected. This is utter nonsense and it's extremely tiresome when people cling to this absurd notion.

                                                                        For instance, say somebody says that The Holocaust never happened. This is not an opinion, this is a falsehood that is contradicted on every level by historical fact. The Holocaust happened. Opinions that fly full in the face of History, Science, and Logic itself are not to be respected, but ridiculed.

                                                                        @Masta:

                                                                        You must think I'm an idiot…DUH

                                                                        You linked to a site that implied that The Great Depression was intentionally orchestrated by the Evil Guv'mint and apparently takes The Protocols Of Zion seriously.

                                                                        I don't think you're an idiot, I know you are.

                                                                        Oda didn't foresee Iraq. He said Arabasta was similar to Moses-era Egypt and I said it was similar to Iraq.

                                                                        Except that it isn't in any shape, form, or fashion.

                                                                        The apparent right hand man of Garp springs into action: The target MUST
                                                                        be killed.

                                                                        Because he was a prisoner that attacked a freakin' Vice Admiral!

                                                                        but Hook obviously wasn't a genius mob-boss.

                                                                        James Hook was actually an intellectual that attended one of the best universities in England (if I recall correctly, "Hook" was an alias he went by simply because using his real name would have caused a massive scandal for his family), so he may indeed have been a genius whose intelligence was undermined by the simple fact that he was crazy. Barrie stresses that several times in Peter Pan.

                                                                        And the Pluton is later used by Oda (During Enies Lobby, Ubiq) as a WMD plot-deice. I see no coincidence.

                                                                        Hey, an element of the plot previously introduced comes back into the storyline and is expanded upon. That NEVER happens in any fictional work unless the author intends it to be a commentary on something that happened years after that MacGuffin was originally introduced, right?

                                                                        Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                          ROFL dammit this thread is Hilarious. Too hilarious WOOOOW I am amazed that, with what is said so far and the linked sites, this thread is still open.
                                                                          And Masta D you need to open your eyes a little, I know conspiracy theories are fun to read but if you believe it then you're quite a fool.

                                                                          PS: I am obliged to defend myself again: Muslims don't believe this sh*t in general.

                                                                          Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.

                                                                          Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.

                                                                          Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.

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                                                                            You guys are funny as hell, all hypocrites and no distinction ^^.

                                                                            There is no such thing as a coincidence. Sure, the Great Depression was a big mess, but what I'm saying is that it wasn't entirely accidental. Take note of this Ubiq: There is no knowledge that is not power. The one who only follows the mainstream concept of history is the biggest fool. You're an even bigger fool if you only look objectively. Guess where I learned that…? 1984.

                                                                            Do I agree 100% with absolutely everything on these sites…? Hell no. I just found their objectivity interesting and a lot of the stuff is confirmed by my own beliefs (Not to mention the HOLES in the typical history text-book).

                                                                            As for the swastika, I wasn't saying Oda was inspired by it...look at the FACT he had to change it. As Kingoffans said, CONNECT THE DOTS.
                                                                            http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=9798&highlight=Whitebeard%27s+flag

                                                                            If this isn't a sign of the ominous presence of Zionism…in America! I don't know what is: Time Magazine's recent issue on Breast Cancer (Believe what you're hearing, I read TIME!!!) had an article claiming that a California Naval base was being pressured to change it's looks because from a satelite view, it resembles a swastika...

                                                                            Don't believe me??? Of course you don't:

                                                                            http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27swastika.html

                                                                            Ahem, as for Morgan ZEPHOS, the Hook I was reffering to was the cartoony one from Disney films. You know, the kind Oda would be watching as a young man. He says so himself he watched Disney (And I got that tidbit from Greg, btw).

                                                                            My point…? Crocodile, Enel, Morgan, the Shichibukai, Oda's characters definitely have more than just one single inspiration (Kind of ties in with my Zionist arguement. You guys should lay-off that issue). And in Wikipedia:

                                                                            Sandman (a.k.a. Flint Marko; born William Baker) is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics universe, traditionally an adversary of Spider-Man. Created by writer Stan Lee and artist Steve Ditko, he first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man #4 (Sept. 1963). His body has been changed into sand, which he can control completely. He may also absorb nearby sand and reconstitute it into his body.

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                                                                              You guys are funny as hell, all hypocrites and no distinction ^^.

                                                                              btw where are the rebuttals for me and my man Ubiq.

                                                                              There is no such thing as a coincidence.

                                                                              Proof of insane claim plz.

                                                                              Sure, the Great Depression was a big mess, but what I'm saying is that it wasn't entirely accidental. Take note of this Ubiq: There is no knowledge that is not power. The one who only follows the mainstream concept of history is the biggest fool. You're an even bigger fool if you only look objectively. Guess where I learned that…? 1984.

                                                                              I wrote the phrase "dropped off the face of the earth" on another post. And two seconds later my roomate used it in a conversation.
                                                                              is this because jews

                                                                              Do I agree 100% with absolutely everything on these sites…? Hell no. I just found their objectivity interesting and a lot of the stuff is confirmed by my own beliefs (Not to mention the HOLES in the typical history text-book).

                                                                              Hey, do you know what a Red Herring is?

                                                                              As for the swastika, I wasn't saying Oda was inspired by it…look at the FACT he had to change it. As Kingoffans said, CONNECT THE DOTS.
                                                                              http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=9798&highlight=Whitebeard%27s+flag

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                                                                              It was done for sensitivity reasons.
                                                                              People see that as a symbol of immediate negative meaning in the world. To have it as a insignia of one of your good guys forces in a mainstream mass market product like the OP franchise is going to be a potential huge fucking issue in the western market.
                                                                              Use some common sense for godsakes.

                                                                              If this isn't a sign of the ominous presence of Zionism…in Amnerica! I don't know what is:

                                                                              You are insane.

                                                                              Ahem, as for Morgan ZEPHOS, the Hook I was reffering to was the cartoony one from Disney films. You know, the kind Oda would be watching as a young man. He says so himself he watched Disney (And I got that tidbit from Greg, btw).

                                                                              That dosen't make you other connections valid, outside one obvious visual reference.

                                                                              My point…? Crocodile, Enel, Morgan, the Shichibukai, Oda's characters definitely have more than just one single inspiration (Kind of ties in with my Zionist arguement. You guys should lay-off that issue).

                                                                              Absolutely not.
                                                                              Its entirely exemplore of the garbage logic your throwing around.

                                                                              sandman

                                                                              The idea of elemental characters is pretty much as old as stories.
                                                                              Spiderman didn't invent it.

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                                                                                Define hypocrite will ya cause I don't see how we fall into that category>.> Yes Oda-sensei probably researched from various sources but I very much doubt that a common Japanese man (albeit a God ahem) would bother with all this Zionism. He's from Asia! They don't have jews from Asia, at least not ones born there. Why would he care about Zionism and all that crappy fighting in the middle east? I reiterate you are obsessed with Zionism and you're just trying to push it onto One Piece by looking for the tiniest dot that will support your theory and even with this dot, you have to twist around facts. It's a pirate manga made to entertain us not some Koran full of Muslim allegories and fun facts of why jewish people suck (And let me make it clear, I don't think they do in case there is a misunderstanding). Oh and he chose a swastika because it's scary and looks cool like Whitebeard. It was those wankers at Shueisha that made him change it>.>

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                                                                                  So wait let me get this straight

                                                                                  is there really someone in this thread arguing that various aspects of One Piece are inspired by a movement that supports a Jewish state or am I imagining things?

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                                                                                    "I'm surrounded by idiots"

                                                                                    Tact Masta D, tact.

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                                                                                      So wait let me get this straight

                                                                                      is there really someone in this thread arguing that various aspects of One Piece are inspired by a movement that supports a Jewish state or am I imagining things?

                                                                                      I know it's been said before but WELCOME TO ARLONG PARK. Seriously though, all these crappy conspiracy buffs of Masta D are pretty entertaining. Part of me wishes he never stops posting^^ But I guess all good things must come to an end eventually>.>

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                                                                                        Masta D. on audio: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/flash-tub/letter-from-internet-5.php

                                                                                        the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                                                          I finally found someone else on this site stupider than me. Congradulations Masta D.

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                                                                                            The hysterical part is that this thread went on for 5 pages and a whole week while some time ago we had the GREAT AP PURGE, NO FUCKING AROUND ANYMORE MODS ARE BACK TO BUSINESS.

                                                                                            I guess spouting delusional antisemitic tripe is more acceptable than a bit of spamming.

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                                                                                              Was Masta D.'s house razed to the ground by jew barbarians or something

                                                                                              the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                                                                @Masta:

                                                                                                You guys are funny as hell, all hypocrites and no distinction ^^.

                                                                                                Says the guy who can't tell fiction from reality. The Protocols of Zion, for God's sake.

                                                                                                There is no such thing as a coincidence. Sure, the Great Depression was a big mess, but what I'm saying is that it wasn't entirely accidental.

                                                                                                Or, conversely, it could have been the aftereffects of WWI, the Spanish flu, and internal issues with the US economy itself (including, but not limited to: uncontrolled speculation, massive individual debt, a lack of Federal intervention to lessen the blow, the widespread political corruption of Harding's term, and good old-fashioned financial panic) that resulted in worldwide economic collapse. None of which was the result of a conspiracy theory and which is what actually happened by the way.

                                                                                                Take note of this Ubiq: There is no knowledge that is not power.

                                                                                                OF COURSE THERE IS. Any knowledge that causes you to disregard all fact and logic, like say, conspiracy theories, limits your potential right out of the gate.

                                                                                                The one who only follows the mainstream concept of history is the biggest fool.

                                                                                                Because it's not like historians have evidence backing their claims that can actually be substantiated by people that aren't idiots.

                                                                                                You're an even bigger fool if you only look objectively.

                                                                                                This may well be the dumbest damn thing I've ever heard and I used to argue with WHITEBEARD. Objectively examining the evidence is the only way to examine any subject, otherwise you're just reinforcing the notions you went in with.

                                                                                                Guess where I learned that…? 1984.

                                                                                                Good for you.

                                                                                                Know how I learned not to trust conspiracy theories?

                                                                                                I didn't have to, because I was never stupid enough to believe in them in the first place.

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                                                                                                  @Ubiq:

                                                                                                  Harding

                                                                                                  This guy's from Ohio

                                                                                                  He probably likes Harding

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                                                                                                    I bet Masta D. thinks that the "ONE PIECE" is really delicious yet thrifty bagel

                                                                                                    the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                                                                      @Cap'n:

                                                                                                      I bet Masta D. thinks that the "ONE PIECE" is really delicious yet thrifty bagel

                                                                                                      Such as one a person might get from their Jewish masters no doubt.

                                                                                                      Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                                        "Cap'n Carter runs lame bagel joke into the ground, crowd cheers."

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