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    What in the world could POSSIBLY defeat Buggy?

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      Okay, I know that a lot of people read the topic title and either did one of two things..
      a) rolled their eyes, what can Buggy do??
      b) immediately said "Luffy"

      .. but here me out.. I'm sitting at work and have absolutely nothing in the world to do except fiddle around on my laptop. During the non-stop thrilling excitement known as security work (sitting on my ass in a small office for eight straight hours), for some reason One Piece popped into my head and I was thinking about the villains (or major players) we've met so far and what role they may play later on. Of course, Blackbeard was the first to come to mind because after watching episode 325, I was reminded of how freakishly strong he has become and how much potential his fruit has.. but this isn't about him… because after a minute of thinking about Blackbeard, I thought of one of Luffy's other two pursuers. The other two happen to be Smoker and Buggy. Now, as much as I love Smoker (he is one of my favourite characters after all!) I don't think he is going to do anything frighteningly immense or become one of the strongest characters in the entire series.. this leaves the pursuer I immediately thought of though, Buggy.
      Many people love Buggy, he is one of the most beloved villains in the series. Oda himself also said he is quite fond of Buggy at one point, did he not? Why do we love him? Well, I'm sure many people love his character design, his borderline insane personality, or his crew.. but then there are those, like me, who think Buggy's most interesting feature is his Devil Fruit, which this topic is going to revolve around. Buggy, his Devil Fruit, and its potential.

      I look back on Buggy, and at the start of the series he was already looking ridiculously strong. He had a cannon which could demolish an entire town, which had been deserted due to his arrival. He was the second Devil Fruit user introduced (after our beloved Luffy), and he showed that being able to split apart in a cartoony fashion helped him immensely in fights. When I look at the Buggy versus Zoro fight and think of Zoro's loss to him, I like to think of it saying one simple thing.
      Buggy > Zoro
      Yes, I know Buggy played a dirty trick to get the win, but this was an early arc battle and normally when someone loses to another character - in almost any fashion - it is saying that they are inferior in some way or another. No doubt post Water Seven Zoro would slaughter the Buggy we saw at the start of the series. He has grown so much, but what about Buggy? Is he just taking it easy on his ship? Heck no! This is a manga, and as a rule, Buggy must grow stronger for no apparent reason even though we don't see him. Every major player who remains part of the story, and has decent fighting abilities when first seen, AND tangles with the main character, usually gets stronger over time. It's one of many unwritten shonen manga rules, ya know?
      So.. what could Buggy do to improve? What can he do that we haven't seen him do before? What else can he possibly do with his fruit besides split into clumsy blocks and float around? Well.. there is one thing that members here have hinted at before which I think is a very real possibility of the direction Oda may take Buggy's powers. What is it?

      Splitting apart at the sub-atomic level.

      While it seems like a pretty substantial power-up which some people may shrug off and dismiss entirely - look how much of a power-up Luffy's gears were. I think this could be Buggy's equivalent and it would open up a world of possibilities in terms of what his fruit can do for him. I'm going to go over some of the things I think Buggy could do with the ability to split himself into such small pieces.

      Invisibility
      While it would not be true invisibility, Buggy would be able to split into billions of small pieces and spread himself all around the place. If he covered enough ground, I cannot think of any attack which would harm him easily. It would also serve as an excellent way to piss off his opponent. Can you imagine Luffy doing.. lord, I don't know.. Jet Storm perhaps, only to hear Buggy laughing?

      Teleportation
      Again, not true teleportation.. but it would give off the illusion of Buggy doing so. If he could learn how to move fast (soru fast), then Buggy could easily do a "bara bara teleport," allowing him to break apart and reappear behind his opponent in less than a second.. or anywhere else, if he'd feel like it. In fact, I think that this would even be superior to soru, because he would be broken up and again, would be hard to hurt. He could also "teleport" into small spaces or go inside things and reform (such as a sealed bag or sack).

      Friction & Heating
      Say goodnight, Aokiji. If Buggy mastered the ability to split at the sub-atomic level and then added a bit of Luffy-esque creativity, Buggy could shake/vibrate/move about at the sub-atomic level in small patterns to generate heat and friction. If by chance Aokiji fought Buggy and captured his sub-atomic particles in an attack, and provided that Buggy could withstand it somehow, he could vibrate furiously and melt the ice.

      "Mirages"
      I would imagine that Buggy would be able to put his microscopic parts back together in any way, shape, or form. By doing so, I think he'd be able reform into false images.. like when you see a mirage in the desert. I'm not thinking like Mr. 2 here with him turning into people, no. I'm thinking of Buggy turning into inanimate objects. An example would be a sign that says "exit this way" or if you'd care for something deadly.. he could break his hand up and let it reform in the shape of a fruit. When eaten, he could reform his fist and clench their throat from the inside.. many possibilities with this idea.

      MECHA BUGGY!!!!
      Not.. exactly mecha… but if Mr. 3 could create such a complex mech-like body armor out of freaking WAX, then what is stopping Buggy from taking apart certain parts of his body and reforming them as something new? He could reform his hand to be a densely packed blade or axe.. he could make gears and pulleys or simulate an electronic device. The possibilities of this one are endless. The only problem is that Buggy would not be able to go too crazy with this, because unlike Mr. 3's wax, Buggy would only have so many parts to work with, similar to Gaara's sand - he'd only have a set amount to build with.

      Implosion
      This isn't something I'd expect Oda to do, but Buggy certainly could do it. He would definitely be able to break apart and fly a mass of pieces into his opponent's body. He could then reform whatever he sent inside and create a freakishly strong push on them from the inside. How long could they last before blowing, eh?

      I may be overstepping a fine line here, but I think that by learning how to break himself into such small pieces, Buggy would be able to successfully combat almost any character in the series and have an incredible advantage. The only thing I can't think of his how he'd be able to defeat certain logias such as Ace.

      If Buggy learned to separate at the sub-atomic level, he would take his battles to a whole new level. I'm convinced he'd be able to kill several Straw Hats. Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Robin, Chopper, Franky.. what would they be able to do to something they cannot see and is spread out all over the place? Notice how I only left one person besides Luffy? Yes. Nami.. I think that is she created a wild downpour, Buggy would have almost no mobility. The weight of a rain drop is certainly more than a microscopic piece of a clown pirate. A wild rain shower would be costly conditions for Buggy to fight under.

      So.. I suppose I have only named three people who would stand any sort of chance against Sub-atomic Buggy.. but lets throw in all the logias except Blackbeard, because we're not sure exactly how far his fruit could go just yet. He seems far more vulnerable than most logias though.

      Anyway… who do I think could defeat Buggy in this form?

      Ace (fire would burn Buggy's microscopic butt)
      Enel (lightning is not matter, there is nothing Buggy could do)

      Who would probably battle Buggy to a stand-still, or win/lose by a slight margin?

      Nami (due to her abilities to control RAIN, the natural enemy of anything microscopic)
      Aokiji (if Buggy could pull off the friction trick I mentioned, Aokiji would have to be very, very creative to win)

      Now, let's look at fighters from the start of the series to the start of Thriller Bark. I'm ending at the start of that arc because I've decided not to follow it in manga form (it seems like it something which could be very entertaining to watch in anime form without spoilers).

      Alvida: Hmm? I don't think he'd have any need to fight someone from his own crew.

      Coby: Luffy didn't even break a sweat when he fought Coby. No challenge here at all.

      Helmeppo: Again, Buggy would have a gigantic upperhand here..

      Axe-Hand Morgan: Again, no contest. Morgan was surely a monster with that arm of his, but Buggy would destroy him.

      Jango: Go ahead, Jango.. Try to hypnotize the clown who is spread around into millions of pieces. Easy victory, since Jango would be the one dozing off instead…

      Captain Kuro: Kuro had speed, but he didn't have the means to lay waste to large areas instantly, the only huge weakness I could think of for Sub-Atomic Buggy. Again, this would go to Buggy easily.

      Don Krieg: Perhaps the poison bomb or just any old bomb in general could delay Buggy, or actually injure him pretty badly. This is assuming Buggy would be naive enough to get close to any bomb Don would lay down. He'd probably want to stay close to Don, who would be trying to avoid the bomb blasts himself. So… unless Buggy was somehow forced to move very slowly or just didn't know about a bomb, he would crush Don Krieg.

      Arlong: As badass as Arlong is, who is a great fighter, he has no moves which would be intimidating to Sub-Atomic level. I hate to say it, but.. Arlong would lose.

      Mr. 5: I actually think this would be a good fight! Mr. 5, one of the weaker characters by current standards, would actually be able to keep Sub-Atomic Buggy on guard. If he flung random boogers around, some parts of Buggy could get caught in the blasts.. hmm..

      Ms. Valentine: What could she do? Honestly? She just changes her weight.. She can't crush Buggy. He could just break up into pieces so damn small that he could avoid her impacts. Sorry, gal.

      Dorry and Broggy: Little Garden was so long ago, I hope I spelled their names right. Anyway, They could go insane with their swings and stomps, but all they would do is spread Buggy's particles around. Meanwhile, he'd be able to slip inside them and do some pretty heavy internal damage. I give this fight to Buggy.

      Wapol: There is nothing Wapol could do at all. Even if he ate Buggy, he'd be getting more than he'd bargain for.

      Bon Clay: Ballet Kenpo would just spread the particles around. They are too small to hit with any force. Sorry, Mr. Swan Shoes.

      Mr. 1: Drill all you want. Buggy could get so small that it would have no impact whatsoever.

      Ms. Doublefinger: Please.. her fruit is designed to fight big, fleshy things. Sub-Atomic Buggy may be fleshy, but he is far from big. Her spikes would merely displace him and stir him around.

      .. you know, I see where this is going. Do I need to go any further, honestly? Nobody in One Piece is currently clever/sharp enough to fight a sub-atomic being on an equal level and they would have to rely on the exploits of their powers. I'm still trying to think of a way for Luffy to defeat a Sub-Atomic Buggy. Gear 2 would seem completely and utterly useless. Gear 3? I've been wondering about it, and if Luffy can do some sort of effective Gigan Stomp or Balloon, then maybe he'll be able to do something. I'm not sure, it's hard to think of a way to combat cunning and clever molecules that THINK.

      The big fella to be compared to right now is surely Blackbeard. I think that would be the most interesting fight for Sub-Atomic Buggy (that or Aokiji). I can't think of an instance where Blackbeard's power would disrupt anything Buggy would do. Maybe the black hole/vacuum could be of some use in the fight, but could Blackbeard really nab all of Buggy's particles? I think in a situation like that, we'd see a return of his age old "stab you in the back" tactic that he used on Zoro.

      So… I guess the only two who I think would currently be able to defeat a Sub-Atomic Buggy are Ace and Enel. Both use non-matter logia fruits which cannot really be "hit" in the traditional sense and both are capable of burning what they touch. If there is a way for a sub-atomic being to fight these two, I'm not able to think of it at the moment... but with these two indisposed at the moment, would a Sub-Atomic Buggy be free to romp all the way to Raftel without hindrance? Could Shanks, Whitebeard, and the other two Yonkou do anything about it? Could they possibly do something to a microscopic entity?
      With Enel hamming it up on the moon and Ace possibly severely wounded (not dead, because this is Oda and Ace doesn't seem like the appropriate guy to kill at the moment), it looks like yes, Sub-Atomic Buggy would be free to do whatever he would want.

      Buggy as we know him, just separating his limbs from his body, isn't terribly intimidating anymore given what we've seen the Straw Hats fight recently, however... Sub-Atomic Buggy would be a frightening force. With that sort of potential, combined with Buggy's hateful personality and sharp wits, I think he'd give Luffy a very hard run for his money.

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        …..Wouldn't any devil fruit user be nigh invincible if they mastered their power to an atomic level?

        And I really doubt Buggy is the only pirate who uses the ''STAB U IN BACK'' tactic.

        I'm really to tired to give a more long winded response~

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          @WeAllEatFood:

          …..Wouldn't any devil fruit user be nigh invincible if they mastered their power to an atomic level?

          Perhaps, but with Buggy it actually seems like a plausible direction to take his development. He splits apart into pieces.. I mean, come on. If Oda wastes the opportunity to do this to Buggy, I'll be upset….... for a whole five minutes, then I'll likely move on.

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            Teleportation
            Again, not true teleportation.. but it would give off the illusion of Buggy doing so. If he could learn how to move fast (soru fast), then Buggy could easily do a "bara bara teleport," allowing him to break apart and reappear behind his opponent in less than a second.. or anywhere else, if he'd feel like it. In fact, I think that this would even be superior to soru, because he would be broken up and again, would be hard to hurt. He could also "teleport" into small spaces or go inside things and reform (such as a sealed bag or sack).

            somehow this got me thinking of a skill in DNA^2 they "teleport" at half speed through the opponent in effect ripping through him.

            can Buggy split vertically or is all his splits horizontal? dont think iv seen a vertical split.

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            What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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              Wow, well thought out post uprc. Oda did initially introduce buggy to be sort of an anti-luffy. Where luffy is invulnerable impacts, buggy is immune to cutting. Both fruits are only limited by the will power, work ethic and creativity of their owners.

              And unfortunately, it's on that level that buggy fails. Buggy has this great power but lacks the work ethic and ingenuity to really make it work for him. He hasn't trained nearly enough as luffy and his inflated ego makes him unwilling to push himself to the next level to be able to fight people stronger than him like luffy has with the gears.

              Also, buggy's bits have some annoying issue when they are separated from his body. His feet are incapable of being lifted off the ground. His entire body still feels pain. And he lacks the intelligence to control the movements of his entire body when they are separated from him.

              So, yes buggy has an awesome ability with nearly unlimited potential, but Buggy himself is too much of a hack to take advantage of that potential and reach the next tier of Grandline fighters.

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                You think too much.

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                  Don't Buggy's feet have to stay on the ground the whole time? I remember reading that in one of the chapters.

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                    Doesn't the Yami Yami or whatever negate devil fruit? I'd go with that I guess.

                    Originally Posted by Cap'n Carter

                    Good thing that everytime I'm afraid I'll have the will to live I can browse Arlong Park have it utterly eliminated

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                      I think there was an SBS where Oda said that The Bugster(lol) couldn't control his powers down to his hairs. Sure, hypothetically Buggy can train his powers, but it's not like creating super friction with his fun-sized body parts wouln't have side effects on his own body.

                      So ,yeah….my two cents for now. And please take this as me shooting down your points, I'm just make out for some discussion.

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                        @raj:

                        Doesn't the Yami Yami or whatever negate devil fruit? I'd go with that I guess.

                        If Blackbeard chooses to utilize it when Buggy is split into atoms, that would negate Buggy's ability, thus he can't reform or manipulate his parts. He'd cease to exist then, I guess?

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                          raj UPRC already recognizes 2 other logias ability to defeat buggy. i dont really think this is only about who could defeat him but more of a discussion about the powers potential.

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                          What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                            I'd just like to say that the serious underestimating of Aokiji hurts me deep inside. 😞

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                              Oh, I know Aokiji is a tough bastard, but.. friction would melt ice.

                              After I typed all that up and saved it on my iPod, I began to wonder if that would be a smart move on Buggy's part though. Melting the ice would give him a hell of a lot of water to deal with. If he'd get any of his little bits inside the water, they'd flow away to god knows where. 😕

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                                @WeAllEatFood:

                                I'd just like to say that the serious underestimating of Aokiji hurts me deep inside. 😞

                                I COULD BEAT AOKIJI BY PEEING ON HIM.

                                …It works on snowmen.

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                                  Ridiculously long, so sorry I'm only glancing every paragraph and not reading it all. I'll give in my 2 cents to explain why most stuff you said are pure theory and/or wrong.

                                  Firstly, about the matches. I'm ignoring a lot of facts here I'll say later.

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                                  Buggy > Zoro

                                  Back of sword. He can do this because:

                                  Splitting apart at the sub-atomic level.

                                  I don't really care how much he can split, it only matters how much is his 'default' split.
                                  When Luffy punched him, he didn't split into atoms automatically. If he trained to do it, he'd have to do it manually. I can guarantee to you Buggy won't be fast enough to react to a full blown Zoro with the back of the sword.

                                  Invisibility
                                  While it would not be true invisibility, Buggy would be able to split into billions of small pieces and spread himself all around the place. If he covered enough ground, I cannot think of any attack which would harm him easily. It would also serve as an excellent way to piss off his opponent. Can you imagine Luffy doing.. lord, I don't know.. Jet Storm perhaps, only to hear Buggy laughing?

                                  And he can do damage when in this shape because…?

                                  Teleportation
                                  Again, not true teleportation.. but it would give off the illusion of Buggy doing so. If he could learn how to move fast (soru fast), then Buggy could easily do a "bara bara teleport," allowing him to break apart and reappear behind his opponent in less than a second.. or anywhere else, if he'd feel like it. In fact, I think that this would even be superior to soru, because he would be broken up and again, would be hard to hurt. He could also "teleport" into small spaces or go inside things and reform (such as a sealed bag or sack).

                                  They'd get him before he manages to stay still and start separating. He's not Croc where, like I said above, he can split automatically, the second he starts someone will punch a place that didn't start yet.
                                  Honestly speaking, using Soru to get behind an opponent is much faster.

                                  Friction & Heating
                                  Say goodnight, Aokiji. If Buggy mastered the ability to split at the sub-atomic level and then added a bit of Luffy-esque creativity, Buggy could shake/vibrate/move about at the sub-atomic level in small patterns to generate heat and friction. If by chance Aokiji fought Buggy and captured his sub-atomic particles in an attack, and provided that Buggy could withstand it somehow, he could vibrate furiously and melt the ice.

                                  Sorry, no o_o how the hell can Buggy stand the heat himself? Not to mention Buggy will burn himself to death WAYS before he can even melt a drop off Aokiji.

                                  "Mirages"
                                  I would imagine that Buggy would be able to put his microscopic parts back together in any way, shape, or form. By doing so, I think he'd be able reform into false images.. like when you see a mirage in the desert. I'm not thinking like Mr. 2 here with him turning into people, no. I'm thinking of Buggy turning into inanimate objects. An example would be a sign that says "exit this way" or if you'd care for something deadly.. he could break his hand up and let it reform in the shape of a fruit. When eaten, he could reform his fist and clench their throat from the inside.. many possibilities with this idea.

                                  Can he do that now? You can easily see him while forming to the object, not to mention ANY object with stripes will be suspicious in the middle of a battlefield.

                                  MECHA BUGGY!!!!
                                  Not.. exactly mecha… but if Mr. 3 could create such a complex mech-like body armor out of freaking WAX, then what is stopping Buggy from taking apart certain parts of his body and reforming them as something new? He could reform his hand to be a densely packed blade or axe.. he could make gears and pulleys or simulate an electronic device. The possibilities of this one are endless. The only problem is that Buggy would not be able to go too crazy with this, because unlike Mr. 3's wax, Buggy would only have so many parts to work with, similar to Gaara's sand - he'd only have a set amount to build with.

                                  What you're saying is that he takes his skin and turns it into metal. No matter how much he reforms himself, a punch to the gut is a punch to the gut.

                                  Implosion
                                  This isn't something I'd expect Oda to do, but Buggy certainly could do it. He would definitely be able to break apart and fly a mass of pieces into his opponent's body. He could then reform whatever he sent inside and create a freakishly strong push on them from the inside. How long could they last before blowing, eh?

                                  I don't really understand.. what you're saying is like that counter-theory to trapping Smoker in a jar. Buggy can't do One-Inch Punch. And again, even I can kick him before he fully dissects into atoms.

                                  Coby: Luffy didn't even break a sweat when he fought Coby. No challenge here at all.

                                  So Buggy can train to move into atoms, but Coby can't become the new WB?
                                  I lost you.

                                  Mr. 1: Drill all you want. Buggy could get so small that it would have no impact whatsoever.

                                  Now you're stuck too much on the atomic thing. Mr. 1 can't win on the current Buggy either way.

                                  Buggy as we know him, just separating his limbs from his body, isn't terribly intimidating anymore given what we've seen the Straw Hats fight recently, however… Sub-Atomic Buggy would be a frightening force. With that sort of potential, combined with Buggy's hateful personality and sharp wits, I think he'd give Luffy a very hard run for his money.

                                  …Which is the point of his existence. Buggy will lose to Luffy hands down no matter how much damage he gives.
                                  He can kill Luffy and still lose. Luffy never loses.

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                                    @Rai:

                                    And he can do damage when in this shape because…?

                                    I never said he would.

                                    @Rai:

                                    glancing every paragraph and not reading it all

                                    Turned out this led you to misread things. Always a great thing to do! 😛

                                    I think you're looking at my post too realistically. This is a manga, real life physics shouldn't really apply at all. Also, I'm not pitching this in a "SURE THING, GONNA HAPPEN!!" sort of way, so there is really no need to point a finger at me and go "YOU'RE WRONG!"

                                    But it's all good.

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                                        1. Buggy is the best swordman in the world (can't be cut)
                                        2. No slices can hurt him
                                        3. Only physical blows
                                        4. Imagine if Mi Hawk ate the Bara Bara Fruit

                                        Think that over people. BTW, nice rant dude~

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                                          I never said he would.

                                          Then how will this be of any use? tilts head

                                          Turned out this led you to misread things. Always a great thing to do! 😛

                                          I think you're looking at my post too realistically. This is a manga, real life physics shouldn't really apply at all. Also, I'm not pitching this in a "SURE THING, GONNA HAPPEN!!" sort of way, so there is really no need to point a finger at me and go "YOU'RE WRONG!"

                                          But it's all good.

                                          Aye, sorry I misread some stuff. Never tried to be forceful or something, you can say I'm releasing on you all my debating will that gathered over the time I was horrified at school.
                                          I meant what I said though.

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                                            LPS: buggy usees daggers not swords =P

                                            Originally Posted by Ivotas

                                            What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                              The Will of Heaven and nothing less

                                              the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                Buggy is too easily taken down by Buggy IMO.

                                                He's too proud and emotional, so he can be manipulated.

                                                Foe 1: "…. .... BIG NOSE ... ... "
                                                Buggy: "WHAT?" :explosion of violence:
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                                                  I think your taking this character a bit far. He's in the series for comic relief and nothing else. The only major role he may play in the series from now on is maybe something at Raftel, but nothing really major. Even in the original Luffy vs. Buggy battle, it was full of comedy, and it was nowhere near as serious as Luffy vs. Don Krieg, Kuro or Arlong.

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                                                    Bugggy is the only enemy to have attacked Luffys hat. Buggy vs Luffy will be the final battle! mark my words.

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                                                    What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                      Bugggy is the only enemy to have attacked Luffys hat. Buggy vs Luffy will be the final battle! mark my words.

                                                      =P

                                                      I've been saying this the whole time and I seriously hope that a Buggy crew/Strawhat showdown takes place some time near the end of the series.

                                                      The hat thing has always been one of the things that I've tried to point out repeatedly when trying to measure villains' "strengths." Dude knows how to get to Luffy. This fact combined with the whole "Floating limbs, dude!" thing has some potential to really piss the kid off, which could either result in being totally pummeled to a pulp as per usual, or it could be used in slightly more crafty ways. This leads to the question: Is Buggy smart/in control enough to actually pull any of these things off? Can't say that Buggy and his crew are known for being masters of subtlety (Loguetown comes to mind: Come on, Roz can spot that scarf from a mile away.)

                                                      Imagine how manipulative Buggy could be if he could sneak a hand over and grab Luffy's hat without being noticed (It's unlikely.). Apply this to the following situation: Buggy ninjas Luffy's hat, then nonchalantly drops it off with someone and more or less vanishes. Guy can practically have Luffy on a leash that way if he finds the right people to give it to. Depending on how patient/forgiving Luffy's feeling on a given day, it could result in some pretty extreme flashy shankings.

                                                      The deal with this is that I don't know all of the applications of Buggy's supah powahs that could be implemented. I know that there are limits, but how extreme could they get if he got a little creative/did some crazy super training? Hell if I know.

                                                      tl;dr version: ¯(º_o)/¯

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                                                        Aren't all DF powers directly proportional to their wielders' mental and physical strength? There shouldn't really be much of an argument about this.

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                                                          Personally, I would love to see Buggy lvl up his powers. He's one of my favorite villains, and seeing him fight on par with the present Mugiwaras would be fantastic.

                                                          The sub-atomic approach sounds plausible, though Blackbeard could just absorb Buggy and emit him in the form of Hawking radiation.

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                                                            I seem to recall Buggy commenting on how Zoro came close to hitting his "death spot" when he took a swipe it him. So there is possibly a part of Buggy which is highly vunerble in comparison to the rest of him.

                                                            Plus I wouldn't put any money on a DF which can leave you stuck as a chibi for a while…

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                                                              I thought Oda wrote a series of sixteen books regarding all the limitations of Buggy's abilities. And not being able to chop down to too little parts was a part of it. Along with not being able to fly too far away from his feet. :<

                                                              One thing that confused me was the thing that his feet must touch the ground (or something in those lines). I was always wondering on when Buggy would show up and reveal his flashy new trump card, whereas he ties his shoelaces together and uses one hand to pick up his feet with him!

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                                                                One thing that confused me was the thing that his feet must touch the ground (or something in those lines). I was always wondering on when Buggy would show up and reveal his flashy new trump card, whereas he ties his shoelaces together and uses one hand to pick up his feet with him!

                                                                Why occupy his hands when he has a bunch of willing minions who could carry them for him?

                                                                There are a lot of possibilities.

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                                                                  LPS: buggy usees daggers not swords =P

                                                                  Lies. He used a sword in Logue Town =P

                                                                  And he would have killed Luffy too, if Enel hadn't rescued him.

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                                                                    actually buggy just needs to master his ability, he might even have a limit though

                                                                    but yeah he COULD be very powerful

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                                                                      actually buggy just needs to master his ability, he might even have a limit though

                                                                      but yeah he COULD be very powerful

                                                                      Zoro LOST to Buggy!! What a discrace!! And no, that wasn't a cheap move Buggy pulled. Unless you want to call Luffy using his powers cheap.

                                                                      I thought Zoro had to be the "best"…

                                                                      Heck, I don't even think that this ridiculously overkill move could defeat Buggy.

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                                                                        is quite enjoy to read ur post!

                                                                        one question… will wind blow him away?🆒

                                                                        I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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                                                                          Zoro LOST to Buggy!! What a discrace!! And no, that wasn't a cheap move Buggy pulled. Unless you want to call Luffy using his powers cheap.

                                                                          I thought Zoro had to be the "best"…

                                                                          Zoro lost to Enel and Crocodile, too. And Agua Laguna.

                                                                          he seems to lose a lot to non-swordsmen.

                                                                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                            this atomic-idea is sure a great improvement for buggy but than it isnt really still his fruit…than its the atomic-fruit or a better form of the beri-beri-Fruit.
                                                                            so if buggy could go into atomic pieces that would be tooooooooo goood for an old chara which was defeated..👅i mean atomic pieces....which way to defeat him has their luffy..(kay also against aokiji or ace or smoker) but against atomic pieces ...not really a chance
                                                                            But why did oda still give buggy such a bigpart in this manga..????
                                                                            first i thought he could be good for some information in the new world when they meet again but not really in the way that he will have a hard fight against luffy or someone else....
                                                                            but this could also do some new site chara.....so which role buggy will really have in the new world???:wassat:

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                                                                              that would be tooooooooo goood for an old chara which was defeated.

                                                                              Who says characters who appeared and were defeated at the beginning can't come back and be totally awesome? We've already seen

                                                                              ! Coby and Helmeppo, who at the beginning were both pretty pathetic, return and appear to be totally awesome.

                                                                              I'd be more surprised if Buggy didn't have some crazy badass future appearance in which he owns the hell out of everyone (And this isn't just my "One Piece ends when Buggy comes back and owns the hell everyone" joke here, I'm serious.).

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                                                                                I see I see, it'll turn out like this then…Luffy=Roger
                                                                                Coby is Luffy's Garp, and Buggy is Luffy's WB, I see, that makes sense.....I guess XP

                                                                                Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.

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                                                                                  I don't know if it possibly was mentioned by another one in this topic, since I only read the great first post, but while Buggy has to stay in the radius of his feet while flying with his upper body, I'm absolutely sure Oda said in an early SBS, he (Buggy) can only split into single parts that are rather thick (Oda mentioned a comparison, but I forgot what).
                                                                                  So the great idea of Buggy splitting up into an atomic level is lost.

                                                                                  But now that I think about it: Since Luffy, Zorro and all the others are becoming stronger through their journey (what's totally logical), why wouldn't Buggy himself do so, too? Buggy was a nice villain, but lost his attitude because he's just used for comedian scenes. But I hope he's becoming "bad" again. I liked the very evil, rather scary Buggy when he first was introduced (on the roof, where he killed his minion).

                                                                                  Hm, why do I have the feeling I made many mistakes during this post …?

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                                                                                    From what I recall, Oda had said that Buggy could theoretically split to an atomic level, but by doing so he finds it harder to control his body. More pieces I guess means more dexterity needed.

                                                                                    But I have to agree that Buggy could probably take on some older villains. Maybe not someone in the calibur of Croc, but I think he could totally take on most of the Baroque Works if he fought any of them one-on-one.

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                                                                                      Buggy has moved his feet, but his upper half stayed where it was. Whatever he does, something always has to remain as normal. So if he sends most of his body flying, the thing remaining as normal is his feet. To have such a big weakness isn't great. Whatever body that remains as normal is a open target.

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                                                                                        What in the world could POSSIBLY defeat Buggy?

                                                                                        A Devil Fruit into the mouth. The same way to defeat Blackbeard or any other Df User :ninja:

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                                                                                          While Buggy does indeed seem to be invincible to "slicing"… but he is still vulnerable to "impact" damage. Given that he can't have he feet be off the ground, he's still "grounded" to the world in this fashion. Also, it's naive to think that "slicers" (Zoro, Shanks, Mihawk, WB) will just not hit him with the back of their weapons or use punches or kicks. Either way, there is definitely some potential with Buggy, but I don't expect him to be use for anything besides comic relief.

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                                                                                            That's the other thing, to master his DF to that capactiy, Buggy would need a hell of a lot more brain power, willpower, concentration, drive, and mental capacity than he does…he's just personally incapable of doing that....

                                                                                            Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.

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                                                                                              isnt willpower and drive the same thing? same with brain power and mental capacity as well?

                                                                                              the willpower should be boosted after beeing defeated by Luffy. and he can hire a tutor for the brainpower bit ^^
                                                                                              and he seems to be able to keep his mind on things even though the new slimmer alvida is right next to him so obviously he can concentrate. =P

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                                                                                              What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm

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                                                                                                isnt willpower and drive the same thing? same with brain power and mental capacity as well?

                                                                                                the willpower should be boosted after beeing defeated by Luffy. and he can hire a tutor for the brainpower bit ^^
                                                                                                and he seems to be able to keep his mind on things even though the new slimmer alvida is right next to him so obviously he can concentrate. =P

                                                                                                Yeah I realize I went overboard with the repetition XD

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                                                                                                  Cancer.

                                                                                                  Lots and lots of cancer.

                                                                                                  Something like a bucket. A bucket of cancer.

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                                                                                                    Crocodile could just suck all the moisture out of the air, and it would affect Buggy's parts, no matter how small they are.

                                                                                                    Blackbeard could simply suck Buggy's parts into a black hole.

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                                                                                                      Was Water mentioned yet?

                                                                                                      Seriously, there is a balance of strength and weakness in every devil fruit. Even the Yami Yami no Mi has a weakpoint, there is no UberHaxx0r-Devil Fruit.

                                                                                                      Jeff the Killer: Go to sleep…Cavendish: Okay 8DJeff: Wha- WAIT, NO!

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                                                                                                        What in the world could POSSIBLY defeat Buggy?


                                                                                                        It's a killer

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