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Chapter 470 "Odz vs Strawhats" Discussion
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It seems that Oda is pushing to our eyes one of the fears that Luffy talked to Blueno in their fight in Ennies Lobby and the reason for Luffy reaction against Lucci at the end of their fight.
He knows that they are below the level that is needed in the part of the Grand Line where they are now and that any strong enemy can destroy the entire crew without problems even with Zoro and Sanji being in the group.
In the current situation Luffy in Gear 2 mode can kick Moria ass in one chapter and without any problem because Moria isn´t a fighter and being him a lazy person that never fights he must be like another Arlong that will be put away of the way by Luffy.
Odr and the Strawhats will be another problem, I believe that they are K.O. until the end of the arc in this situation Nami will wake up and will advice Absalom about the problem, she could trick him to change the direction of the ship that Odr changed until the monster will see Nami and try to K.O. her and in this situation Absolom will give his life for her but Odr will kill him easily. Then Luffy will appear saving her and starting the fight against Odr.
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You can't say that a Gear 2 Luffy can kick Moria's ass in one chapter until you know how well Moria can fight. Just because he doesn't want to fight, or is lazy and would prefer someone else to fight, doesn't mean he CAN'T fight. Remember his bounty is higher than Luffy's. If he can be pwned as easily as that, he wouldn't be worth that much.
If I think I'm insane, does it mean I'm not? Because a truly insane person wouldn't know that they are insane?
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You can't say that a Gear 2 Luffy can kick Moria's ass in one chapter until you know how well Moria can fight. Just because he doesn't want to fight, or is lazy and would prefer someone else to fight, doesn't mean he CAN'T fight. Remember his bounty is higher than Luffy's. If he can be pwned as easily as that, he wouldn't be worth that much.
Agree. As well he has his shadow watching his back.
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You can't say that a Gear 2 Luffy can kick Moria's ass in one chapter until you know how well Moria can fight. Just because he doesn't want to fight, or is lazy and would prefer someone else to fight, doesn't mean he CAN'T fight. Remember his bounty is higher than Luffy's. If he can be pwned as easily as that, he wouldn't be worth that much.
I still believe that Gear2 was more of an Internal Damage Technique, so I don't think it would be as useful against Moria's Lard or Oz's fortitude as it was with CP9's Tekkai, and Gear3 could be easily countered by Moria's Shadow, apparently was strong enough to break the floor of Oz's refrigerator with a mere slash.
Anyways, I don't see how Gears could be useful besides some surprise atack. Hell, if it was not for his rubber body, then Luffy would have actually died after Lucci figured the trick of the Gears….
Funny enough, you could compare the Gears to another tribute of Goku's Jakenpo technique, pretty much like the technique of Gon from HxH.....
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This is actually the same thing that already got revealed about him. It´s only the different translations that make it appear as if it is different info. From Stephen´s Script on 456:
Hogback: "I can't wait… When I saw his corpse in the Land of Ice... I couldn't stop trembling. To think, that dreadful thing was wreaking havoc on the seas, 500 years ago...!!As he conquered each island, he took the entire thing back to his land creating a country of villains. The very man behind the legend of the "Nation-puller"…!!!"
And on this chapter 470:
Robin: "…Odz!! I thought I recognized the name...It couldn't be the very same...The devil Odz, behind the legend of the "Nation-puller"?"
So far there´s no new info on him unfortunally. In fact, there isn´t even half as much info as Hogback revealed by saying what Nation-puller means actually or saying that it all took place 500 years ago. But I´m sure that she´ll reveal a little bit more since she must know a bit about the legend, no matter how little.
Ah, thanks for that info. I usually only read Steven's script if it's the one that's posted in the chapter thread before the scanlation comes out. so yeah, my knowledge based on translations is always inconsistent and contradictory…
What fun is destruction if no "precious" lives are lost?
…I will create a monument to non-existence! ~Kefka~
Meet my brute…........Meet the Garbage Pail Kids
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
I still believe that Gear2 was more of an Internal Damage Technique, so I don't think it would be as useful against Moria's Lard or Oz's fortitude as it was with CP9's Tekkai, and Gear3 could be easily countered by Moria's Shadow, apparently was strong enough to break the floor of Oz's refrigerator with a mere slash.
Anyways, I don't see how Gears could be useful besides some surprise atack. Hell, if it was not for his rubber body, then Luffy would have actually died after Lucci figured the trick of the Gears….
Funny enough, you could compare the Gears to another tribute of Goku's Jakenpo technique, pretty much like the technique of Gon from HxH.....
internal damage? what? why?
as i understood it all Gear2 does is speed up his attacks thus makeing them more accurate and powerful. the reason they "broke" the tekkai was because they caused so much damage that an "iron body" couldnt withstand it. dont think it has anything to do with "internal damage". -
Wait…..you're actually disapointed the SH's got their asses raped for once?
I felt this should've happened long, long ago.I said a little too quickly and never said I was disapointed that they were beaten. I am because it doesn't make sense them being beaten so quickly with the shots they took. They've withstood much worse, and suddenly in one chapter they were floored and almost KO'd by single hits. I would have made the fight a chapter longer, but still have had them raped by Oz.
Yeah Oz is powerful, but I was suprised that the SHs were down so easily.
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Eh, I still find it a nice change of pace. Personally, 2 chapters devoted to the SH's getting their asses kick doesn't sound all that fun to read through. I mean, Oda's chapters already have twice the amount of content than what the average jump series's has. (See: Bleach)
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$abz you have to consider everyone but Franky has already taken some punishment in their individual fight.
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Whew, finally caught up on reading posts now! On to a couple more things I noticed as I went through:
At Ao Kiji:
@Ao:
…It might be lame,but i could see Odz going unconscious right as he's about to finish the strawhats because of the salt that was shot into his mouth in this chapter...
I was reading in a hurry, and I actually thought you said something else along the lines of Odz falling asleep like Luffy usually does (like while fighting his grandpa). I agree with your guess, but I wonder if what I misread it as might happen too, after which the Strawhats would just roll him off the ship without a fight (too easy, huh?)
At Dwo:
@dwo:
…As for the spoiler: no bathroom, no cut teeth...
I was wondering about that too, but when I took a closer look at page 12, it's shown in the center panel that Zoro did indeed cut off his left tusk, and it can be seen that way in every panel Odz shows his face in after that too. Hope that helps you
What fun is destruction if no "precious" lives are lost?
…I will create a monument to non-existence! ~Kefka~
Meet my brute…........Meet the Garbage Pail Kids
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I'm back!
Here are my thoughts:
I dun see why Luffy kicking moria's ass or even killing him will get the shadows to return
moria had said that will not make the shadows return, unless HE SAYS and COMMANDS them(shadows) to go back to their rightful owners.
thus I'm guess luffy will do something, be it a total defeat for moria or maybe do something to get moria to say that specific command.
Second possibility might be the SHs trick moria into blurting out that command accidentally… kinda like how robin n chopper tricks hogback?
third possible might be throwing chopper into Odz's mouth and haf him throw out a large pile of salt enough to purify Odz.... I think this possibility is a lame one.
However I do agree that gear 3 is out of the way.
gear 2 perhaps..
hey maybe theres a 4th possibility, maybe odz will see luffy doing gear 2, and he tries to pump himself..causing the blood to rush to fast BUT his body is not a rubber one, it will blow? like wad lucchi had said abt the gear 2 theory.
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Eh, I still find it a nice change of pace. Personally, 2 chapters devoted to the SH's getting their asses kick doesn't sound all that fun to read through. I mean, Oda's chapters already have twice the amount of content than what the average jump series's has. (See: Bleach)
I find that Oda is having a good time creating an ultra powerful character to wreck his strawhats… seems fun destroying smthg you've created with another you've created, hahahaha
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The Strawhats getting their asses handed to them was something much needed in order to put their strength in perspective to what's going to be in the New World. Also, remember that four out of the six Strawhats present have fire based attack, and so far none of them have worked together to defeat Odz, so it's still possible that they'll defeat him.
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hey maybe theres a 4th possibility, maybe odz will see luffy doing gear 2, and he tries to pump himself..causing the blood to rush to fast BUT his body is not a rubber one, it will blow? like wad lucchi had said abt the gear 2 theory.
dont think you can "pump yourself" without rubber powers. what luffy did was use his rubber powers to create a pumping effect in his legs. (im guessing he can controll the stretching and contracting of any part in his rubber body without flexing any muscles and use that to pump the blood through his veins.)
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dont think you can "pump yourself" without rubber powers. what luffy did was use his rubber powers to create a pumping effect in his legs. (im guessing he can controll the stretching and contracting of any part in his rubber body without flexing any muscles and use that to pump the blood through his veins.)
Guess you are right here, no pumping for Odz…
Nevertheless one might reason what happens to his body while exerting a fighting style that is largely based on the indestructability of rubber - extreme stretching and speed moves should put an insane strain on his giantic body. Perhaps he´ll be so nice to destroy/cripple himself even without pumping.As for the "use fire" idea I see the same problem as with the salt, you´d need a crazy lot of fire for Odz just to notice...
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The new chapter was good, but hopefully they won't be using the DBZ formula… yano, allies get their asses kicked by a stronger guy, main guy comes along and turns the odds around, etc...
Also, I was dissapointed with one thing: no monster chopper. At this point, with how the fight is going, they'd need him... I doubt Monster Chopper is a match for Odz, but it would be cool to see them duke it out
A giant monster fight... that would be cool
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The new chapter was good, but hopefully they won't be using the DBZ formula… yano, allies get their asses kicked by a stronger guy, main guy comes along and turns the odds around, etc...
There seriously is no need to worry about that. OP isn´t like all the other series because all the protagonists get to beat their own antagonist. It happened before and it happened in this very arc. Zoro, Sanji and Usopp already had their own fights and emerged victorious in the end. Being unable to stop Odz is certainly nothing of the same nature. As I said before, it can be compared to the Buster Call, where the victory also wasn´t achieved by the strenght of arms. And back then it wasn´t Luffy either who made a difference.
So comparing it to DBZ, Bleach or anything else that uses that formula doesn´t apply because it is already proven that OP uses it´s own formula. Just because the strongest antagonist gets defeated by the main protagonists it doesn´t make the rest of the crew losers.
Also, I was dissapointed with one thing: no monster chopper. At this point, with how the fight is going, they'd need him… I doubt Monster Chopper is a match for Odz, but it would be cool to see them duke it out
But the side effect would be that Monster would go rampaging which really wouldn´t be any help to the Strawhats. However if the classic Godzilla formula works, then he would rather be attracted by Odz then by the Strawhats so he could at least buy them some seconds. But the problem here would be, that unlike at Enies Lobby there isn´t much water around to throw him into so that he doesn´t die in his Monster Point.
Anyways, I think it´s a bit to early for being disappointed in anything about the Strawhats now. What they received this chapter is what is necessary to go for alternative methods to defeat Odz. There´s no point in searching for alternatives if you can take him down directly so the ass raping was necessary. Now the interesting part can actually start, showing in what way they will deal with him.
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I still think it was pretty awesome how zoro's sword magically sheathed itself after he got his shit wrecked by Oz.
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Wasn´t he using just two swords anyway? I mean Wado remained sheathed the entire time during the attack.
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Nope, you can clearly see one in his mouth when he's rushing Oz, but after the kick, he's holding two and the one in his mouth is sheathed.
Awesomeness.
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Indeed. Well either he got bored on the long flight or like Luffy would say "it´s a mystery sword".^^
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i think brooke might have a larger part next chapter, i think moria is just buying time till oz rounds up luffy's crew.
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I still think it was pretty awesome how zoro's sword magically sheathed itself after he got his shit wrecked by Oz.
I may have to check, but I'm pretty sure that after he attacked, there was a frame that showed Zoro taking the sword out of his mouth. If I remembered that right, then you can assume that he then sheathed his sword outside of what the frames showed, but whatever.
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http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/470.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=16674
He takes it out of his mouth and sheathes it off screen I believe.
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Cute set-up chapter. Nice to see all of them get their shit wrecked. It will make their victory all the more satisfying.
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@Mr.:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/470.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=16674
He takes it out of his mouth and sheathes it off screen I believe.
He sheathed it so quickly then.
Also, I doubt we'll see Monster Chopper because what's to say that he'll only attack Odz?
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Guess you are right here, no pumping for Odz…
Nevertheless one might reason what happens to his body while exerting a fighting style that is largely based on the indestructability of rubber - extreme stretching and speed moves should put an insane strain on his giantic body. Perhaps he´ll be so nice to destroy/cripple himself even without pumping.As for the "use fire" idea I see the same problem as with the salt, you´d need a crazy lot of fire for Odz just to notice...
I agree too..
I doubt monster Chopper will be out, even if he does, he can at most take a few blows and give Odz a few strong blows, but I dun think its enough to take him odz down.
however Robin might haf an idea on how to beat him, as she has a "huh?? this is Odz?? dun tell me…" scenario somewhere...
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Holy shit these last two chapters have been amazing! I hate having a life outside of games and comics.
I miss out on so much!I'm eagerly awaiting Luffy vs. Moria! Who said fat slobs can't be dangerous?
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I agree too..
I doubt monster Chopper will be out, even if he does, he can at most take a few blows and give Odz a few strong blows, but I dun think its enough to take him odz down.
however Robin might haf an idea on how to beat him, as she has a "huh?? this is Odz?? dun tell me…" scenario somewhere...
You are all seriously overestimating Monster Chopper. First of all, he's not even half the size of Odz. Monster Chopper is quite big, but he was still small enough to fit inside a single room at Enies Lobby-and while he could probably take some good hits Odz would just have to stomp on him and that would be the end of it. Franky's Coup de Vent managed to knock Chopper out of the building, but if Franky tried that on Odz I bet he would barely notice, and if he did then he would just stomp on Franky and that would be it. The only Mugiwara that I think could stand even a chance against Odz is Luffy and even then he would have to go Gear 3 just to contend.
The only way I can see this ending is Luffy beat Moria and all the shadows are returned, or a super combined team attack (hoping for the latter myself). That or Usopp suddenly figures out a way to launch a disgustingly huge amount of salt into his mouth.
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The only way I can see this ending is Luffy beat Moria and all the shadows are returned, or a super combined team attack (hoping for the latter myself). That or Usopp suddenly figures out a way to launch a disgustingly huge amount of salt into his mouth.
Buy him hamburgers from McDonalds?
Sorry couldnt help myself =P
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You are all seriously overestimating Monster Chopper. First of all, he's not even half the size of Odz. Monster Chopper is quite big, but he was still small enough to fit inside a single room at Enies Lobby-and while he could probably take some good hits Odz would just have to stomp on him and that would be the end of it. Franky's Coup de Vent managed to knock Chopper out of the building, but if Franky tried that on Odz I bet he would barely notice, and if he did then he would just stomp on Franky and that would be it. The only Mugiwara that I think could stand even a chance against Odz is Luffy and even then he would have to go Gear 3 just to contend.
The only way I can see this ending is Luffy beat Moria and all the shadows are returned, or a super combined team attack (hoping for the latter myself). That or Usopp suddenly figures out a way to launch a disgustingly huge amount of salt into his mouth.
I think you're overestimately Odz in a respect. He's not invincible–much of his power comes from his skill and ability to evade. Look at the attack from Zoro, it easily cut his tusk, and probably would have cut his head if he hadn't dodged it. In fact, that's the same reason Odz is probably dodging Franky's attacks. Coup de Vent would probably be very effective against Odz, the problem is hitting him with it. He's not immune to damage, he's a damned skill and powerful fighter--which is close to being invincible.
I think that what people are saying about Monster Chopper is unreasonable--they'd brawl for awhile but Odz would win in the end. After all, we don't know the limits of Monster Chopper yet--maybe he's stronger for his size then Odz is? Maybe he'd be bigger next time? Is that thing even stable considering it's born from a chemical imbalance?
Of course, considering that Monster Chopper is also somewhat mindless and his strength drains over time, of course he'd lose in a one on one fight. But, it's probably not going to come down to that. With the entire crew there.
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…... The only Mugiwara that I think could stand even a chance against Odz is Luffy and even then he would have to go Gear 3 just to contend.
The only way I can see this ending is Luffy beat Moria and all the shadows are returned, or a super combined team attack (hoping for the latter myself). That or Usopp suddenly figures out a way to launch a disgustingly huge amount of salt into his mouth.
I´d love to see the real gomu gomu attacks placed against Odz crippled version, but somehow I doubt it will happen.
Usopp perhaps could do it with the help of a water dial (we saw them in Skypea used against fire). He´d have to store a big load of (very) salty water in it and set it up the way that it releases its load in Odz mouth … but somehow I doubt this will happen too (feels rather lame to me).
All in all I´ll just let surprise myself and hope Oda has a better way out than he did with buster call.
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remember the ball priest from skypiea?
even when he can predict the moves of the opponent, its still useless when he is stranded..
I'm guessing luffy will fight moria and that is the way to end it…
maybe luffy will give moria a bazokka and send him flying into the sea, haha!
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stranded? im not sure i get your point… i thought he lost because he couldnt predict anymore?
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pardon me i mean tied up, not stranded.
u see at first we thought, "shit he can predict, how are luffy and sanji gonna have any chances??"
but we see luffy tying him up and in the end still gets it from sanji.
NO he can still predict when he is being tied up by luffy, he is defeated because he cannot dodge the attacks, not because he has lost the power of prediction.
I am compraing this wif odz, so if they got a chance to strike him in a full powerful shot, I think odz will go down.
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I think you're overestimately Odz in a respect. He's not invincible–much of his power comes from his skill and ability to evade. Look at the attack from Zoro, it easily cut his tusk, and probably would have cut his head if he hadn't dodged it. In fact, that's the same reason Odz is probably dodging Franky's attacks. Coup de Vent would probably be very effective against Odz, the problem is hitting him with it. He's not immune to damage, he's a damned skill and powerful fighter--which is close to being invincible.
To be honest Ohz should be almost invicible since he his a zombie. So you can kick his ass badly but he will always get up. It's quite obvious that SHs won't manage to take him down. Even if maybe Zoro can cut off an arm or something and Franky may help with one of his tricks.
I think that what people are saying about Monster Chopper is unreasonable–they'd brawl for awhile but Odz would win in the end. After all, we don't know the limits of Monster Chopper yet--maybe he's stronger for his size then Odz is? Maybe he'd be bigger next time? Is that thing even stable considering it's born from a chemical imbalance?
Of course, considering that Monster Chopper is also somewhat mindless and his strength drains over time, of course he'd lose in a one on one fight. But, it's probably not going to come down to that. With the entire crew there.
Agree here.
Monster Chopper was due to the moment. He had to rely just on himself. I dubt he'll take 3 RB in a row to transform, expecially with all the crew around.
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pardon me i mean tied up, not stranded.
u see at first we thought, "shit he can predict, how are luffy and sanji gonna have any chances??"
but we see luffy tying him up and in the end still gets it from sanji.
NO he can still predict when he is being tied up by luffy, he is defeated because he cannot dodge the attacks, not because he has lost the power of prediction.
I am compraing this wif odz, so if they got a chance to strike him in a full powerful shot, I think odz will go down.
… oh, i was under the impression that he got tied up because he lost his mantra when he lost his composure.
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To be honest Ohz should be almost invicible since he his a zombie. So you can kick his ass badly but he will always get up. It's quite obvious that SHs won't manage to take him down. Even if maybe Zoro can cut off an arm or something and Franky may help with one of his tricks.
Precisely. Just remember how hard it was to take down regular General Zombies already. They just stood back up. And this one should be hard to take down even if it wasn´t a zombie just for the sheer size. But put both together he´s truly not overrated.
Agree here.
Monster Chopper was due to the moment. He had to rely just on himself. I dubt he'll take 3 RB in a row to transform, expecially with all the crew around.Well said. Plus, I think that if anybody is overrated here then it is Monster Point. I mean, how strong is that point after all? Ok, it took down Kumadori but that guy was one of the weakest CP9 members. True, Zoro didn´t let us have Kaku and Jabra take down Monster but due to the fact that Kaku could slice the Tower of Administration in half AND Franky being able to knock Monster of his feet with Coupe de Vent I don´t think that Kaku or Jabra would have been raped as easily as Kumadori.
So all in all, I don´t think that Monster Chopper could be any threat to Odz at all. At best he would be a good decoy to buy the Strawhats time, but it would be a very risky attempt.
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he got tied up cus theres an explosion and he didnt realise luffy is behind him already.
anyway back to the topic, we've seen how persistent luffy can be, same for his shadow….
defeating odz is a big headache
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Well said. Plus, I think that if anybody is overrated here then it is Monster Point. I mean, how strong is that point after all? Ok, it took down Kumadori but that guy was one of the weakest CP9 members. True, Zoro didn´t let us have Kaku and Jabra take down Monster but due to the fact that Kaku could slice the Tower of Administration in half AND Franky being able to knock Monster of his feet with Coupe de Vent I don´t think that Kaku or Jabra would have been raped as easily as Kumadori.
So all in all, I don´t think that Monster Chopper could be any threat to Odz at all. At best he would be a good decoy to buy the Strawhats time, but it would be a very risky attempt.
Well, definitely Monster Point is the best upgrade for a OP character. I mean, in percentage the power up is like infinite. About overrating him, I'm not so sure: definitely Kaku and Jabra could had some problem bringing him down (if they could). [OT: would be cool if all the zoans have this monster point that might be reachable without using RBs if zoan's abilities are developed further]. But Monster Point against Ohz, I dunno it sounds not enough for the task.
Is anyone (byside me) a little bit disapointed in how oda drawn Ohz's hand in the two pages against Sanji? Just me?
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anyway back to the topic, we've seen how persistent luffy can be, same for his shadow….
defeating odz is a big headache
Right. This is the soul of the person that got "killed" three times by Crocodile or being beat up by Rucchi and yet kept coming back to own those guys. That alone is a pain in the ass but adding the fact that it´s the body of a legendary berserker that´s twice as large as a giant AND adding the fact that a zombie keeps coming back Odz certainly is a league of his own.
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If Luffy and Oz (with Luffy's Shadow) fought, does anyone think that Luffy would even stand a chance?
From the look of things, I doubt it actually.
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If Luffy and Oz (with Luffy's Shadow) fought, does anyone think that Luffy would even stand a chance?
From the look of things, I doubt it actually.
Well, the first time I saw CP9 I doubt he could even touch one of them. I think he's the only one to have a chance with Ohz.
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Well said. Plus, I think that if anybody is overrated here then it is Monster Point. I mean, how strong is that point after all? Ok, it took down Kumadori but that guy was one of the weakest CP9 members. True, Zoro didn´t let us have Kaku and Jabra take down Monster but due to the fact that Kaku could slice the Tower of Administration in half AND Franky being able to knock Monster of his feet with Coupe de Vent I don´t think that Kaku or Jabra would have been raped as easily as Kumadori.
So all in all, I don´t think that Monster Chopper could be any threat to Odz at all. At best he would be a good decoy to buy the Strawhats time, but it would be a very risky attempt.
You make it sound like Coup de Vent is weak or something. It's currently one of the top attacks in this series, and to Chopper's credit it didn't seem to do any damage to him. It just pushed him away. Also, I recall that Monster Chopper weakened over time. I think that right now Monster Chopper is one of those upgrades that are too vague to be certain about much.
However, I don't think that Odz will come to Monster Chopper anyway. With the way this arc is going, either the Shs will beat Odz together or not at all. I think the point of this plot so far is to disprove Moria's whole "let your subordinates do it" motto.
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Well, the first time I saw CP9 I doubt he could even touch one of them. I think he's the only one to have a chance with Ohz.
But the difference is that CP9 are themselves and don´t have Luffy´s extreme will to keep going on no matter what. Odz however has it, in fact he and Luffy are the very same on that field so it´s not like Odz is at disadvantage here like the other guys Luffy fought. As I said before, Brook vs. Ryuma stands as example for what makes the difference if the soul is the same = the body.
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But the difference is that CP9 are themselves and don´t have Luffy´s extreme will to keep going on no matter what. Odz however has it, in fact he and Luffy are the very same on that field so it´s not like Odz is at disadvantage here like the other guys Luffy fought. As I said before, Brook vs. Ryuma stands as example for what makes the difference if the soul is the same = the body.
It's not exactly the same thing. For one, what about the difference in devil fruits? Odz riped the skin on his arm the first time he tried to do pistol, and he's still imitating Luffy's attacks. Luffy, meanwhile, has full benefit from his gears, which Odz doesn't have access too. Of coruse, Luffy probably won't fight Odz.
Still, I don't know if Odz will have Luffy's drive either, or that it will be an issue. What difference will resolve make if Odz is feed enough salt or burned to death? Besides, many of the SHs can potentally have that same drive too. Odz is strong, but it's not that hopeless yet.
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onemoment: wasnt that "rip" there before he tried to stretch? i know it wasnt there the first time we saw Oggy, but i remember haveing the discussion with boiga or someone about it apearing some frame before he tries the first gomu gomu move.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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onemoment: wasnt that "rip" there before he tried to stretch? i know it wasnt there the first time we saw Oggy, but i remember haveing the discussion with boiga or someone about it apearing some frame before he tries the first gomu gomu move.
You may be right. Well, anyway, my point is that I think the SHs will win somehow against Oz, without Luffy beating Moria first.
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I agree with the comments above regarding the difficulty of defeating Luffy's persistent will. It's hard for me to picture how the crew will defeat Odz, with things as they currently stand. Even if they find a way around the Odz's physical barrier, there's still the matter of Luffy animating him from inside. To me, that's just as important or more so, because as long as "Luffy" views the SHs as enemies, the problem they'll face is the one that always seems to confound Luffy's enemies. His fighting "will".
Odz will play some crucial role in the climax of the arc, but I don't think it'll be a matter of simply getting back up for round 2 and overpowering him by force.
