@Don:
But shocking thing is that most likely more then the half of you won`t read it till the end (at least not without a huge break in between it).
Fact. I'll most likely read until it slows back down. Then when I hear that something awesome happens, go pick it back up.
I think the man has earned us all reading his story till the end.
@Don:
Lol actually i would like to read an answer like
"Yeah, i will most likely stop reading it after FI,because then it will get boring"
"I consider stop reading it now..iam always glad with knowing just the half of the whole story"But shocking thing is that most likely more then the half of you won`t read it till the end (at least not without a huge break in between it).
I have thought that I´d probably get tired of one piece one day.. but now I like it way too much to quit reading 
I did use to like naruto alot too, but I don´t read it anymore, since it´s so boring now.
According to onepiecepodcast (OPP) the next saga/arc is going to be called The Last Ocean: The New World.
Is that the name of the saga? Or of the next arc?
Also, why am I getting the feeling that One Piece is almost over (from that title)? Even though Its probably only at the halfway mark…
Many seem to get this feeling of having the end near.
But pls, just don`t jump around and expect just a few years till Oda will say "Kay, that was it!"
The last ocean means just that it will be the ocean the SHs have to show their full potential and that its the battlefield who will become PK, and that needs still a lot of time and many adventures. We enter now the last part of the series (after EB and GL) but seeing that EB had 100 chapters..GL nearly 500chaps, we can expect NW to have even more chapters. So were storywise eventually a bit over the half way point, but chapterwise there is still a lot to come.
Also Oda stated that now beginning the the NW-Saga which leads to the final of this series feels for him like starting a new series, which is a good sign.
That he gets thrilled again to draw new chapters is rly good and knowing that he loaded again his batteries(and we know they hold for about 12 years+a movie) for the great final with many new islands and stuff just makes my saliva flow.
@Don:
Many seem to get this feeling of having the end near.
But pls, just don`t jump around and expect just a few years till Oda will say "Kay, that was it!"The last ocean means just that it will be the ocean the SHs have to show their full potential and that it
s the battlefield who will become PK, and that needs still a lot of time and many adventures. We enter now the last part of the series (after EB and GL) but seeing that EB had 100 chapters..GL nearly 500chaps, we can expect NW to have even more chapters. So were storywise eventually a bit over the half way point, but chapterwise there is still a lot to come.
Also Oda stated that now beginning the the NW-Saga which leads to the final of this series feels for him like starting a new series, which is a good sign.
That he gets thrilled again to draw new chapters is rly good and knowing that he loaded again his batteries(and we know they hold for about 12 years+a movie) for the great final with many new islands and stuff just makes my saliva flow.
Flamingo for the win! :)) Well said Don. It's making all of our saliva flow uncontrollably. The thought of having the NW saga also makes people who are fans of other anime have a "look-see" of One piece. This will definitely grab more fans.
According to onepiecepodcast (OPP) the next saga/arc is going to be called The Last Ocean: The New World.
Is that the name of the saga? Or of the next arc?
Well, considering the fact that the podcast is a fan-run thing that has absolutely no connection to any entity that has any official bearing on the manga or anime whatsoever (aside from having guests involved in the English production), no. The podcast is a bunch of fans getting together to discuss One Piece. Sure, they're knowledgeable fans who keep up on news involving the series, but they're still not officially connected.
So, no, that's not the name. Unless the fandom as a whole starts calling it that. With all signs pointing towards the crew heading to the New World after reuniting, it's not a bad title. Still, like Don said, we can expect the NW to have over 500 chapters, so I imagine we'll need more than one arc/saga name.
Does anyone remember what chapter/episode it was when WB was first mentioned? if i remember correctly they were still in east blue, and I think they were talking about his DF, not sure if they actually mentioned his name or not.
Well, considering the fact that the podcast is a fan-run thing that has absolutely no connection to any entity that has any official bearing on the manga or anime whatsoever (aside from having guests involved in the English production), no. The podcast is a bunch of fans getting together to discuss One Piece. Sure, they're knowledgeable fans who keep up on news involving the series, but they're still not officially connected.
So, no, that's not the name. Unless the fandom as a whole starts calling it that. With all signs pointing towards the crew heading to the New World after reuniting, it's not a bad title. Still, like Don said, we can expect the NW to have over 500 chapters, so I imagine we'll need more than one arc/saga name.
Actually, it's acurate. Its in the Absent from JUMP for One Month thread.
@Rubber:
Does anyone remember what chapter/episode it was when WB was first mentioned? if i remember correctly they were still in east blue, and I think they were talking about his DF, not sure if they actually mentioned his name or not.
His devil fruit was first revealed during the war, so no, I don't think so. The chapter you are looking for might be 234, that's when he got an introduction box with his name and the title of strongest in the world.
@mdmartin101:
Actually, it's acurate. Its in the Absent from JUMP for One Month thread.
You mean in the note Oda wrote? Sorry, but I looked at the original, and the way that he wrote it does not imply a saga/arc title. Unless there's something else that I missed, I still call foul (and I really don't care enough to read through all 81 pages of that thread).
Has Oda ever named the sagas, anyway? I know there are official saga titles for the Viz editions of the manga, but other than that, most titles are just things that fans use to refer to a portion of the series.
You mean in the note Oda wrote? Sorry, but I looked at the original, and the way that he wrote it does not imply a saga/arc title. Unless there's something else that I missed, I still call foul (and I really don't care enough to read through all 81 pages of that thread).
Has Oda ever named the sagas, anyway? I know there are official saga titles for the Viz editions of the manga, but other than that, most titles are just things that fans use to refer to a portion of the series.
I forget the full title, but he said the Saboady arc, and presumably up to now is called the "Supernova" Arc. And yes, it is in the note. He didn't plane out say, "This arc will be called X" But rather the note says something along the lines of "Next week with 24 pages One Piece The Last Sea: New World" And since he's given the name for an arc before, Were gonna have to say this is him naming the arc.
One question which came back to my mind… Back than I asked why Ace never used haki or learned haki from the WB pirates and I got the answer, cuz of his lack of will he never was able to master king haki.
Know we know that everyone can learn the other 2 hakis... So why the hell he never used it against BB, Smoker or even Akainu? What do you think... Did he never learned it or was he just too much relying on his DF.
A lot of people asked that very question after his death, and I don't recall any sort of concensus being reached, with a fair number on either side of the question.
I personally wondered if, on top of either of the ideas above, he was emotionally too unstable at that moment to use it effectively, since haki seems to requires some concentration.
IMHO, the true answer is probably a combination of Oda reserving more info about how haki, expecially King's, works, for later in the story, and the need, storywise, to kill Ace so Luffy would grow as a character.
One question which came back to my mind… Back than I asked why Ace never used haki or learned haki from the WB pirates and I got the answer, cuz of his lack of will he never was able to master king haki.
Know we know that everyone can learn the other 2 hakis... So why the hell he never used it against BB, Smoker or even Akainu? What do you think... Did he never learned it or was he just too much relying on his DF.
I doubt these guys have training sessions together. Pirates party and do things on a whim. Ace was only on the Moby Dick a short amount of time. Even in a hostile environment where he'll be constantly be under the supervision and advisory of a Haki master Rayleigh said it will difficult to teach those basic haki skills to Luffy. No way Ace would have Haki with no dedicated teacher and less time to develop.
@I:
IMHO, the true answer is probably a combination of Oda reserving more info about how haki, expecially King's, works, for later in the story, and the need, storywise, to kill Ace so Luffy would grow as a character.
Mhh Oda gave us already hints in the first chapter(Shanks vs. King of the coast) and also later while Shanks was entering WBs ship, so holding back with some basic usage of Haki by Ace…not rly likely. (I mean were talking about why Ace didn`t use it in the WAR! i guess, and to that point we already had Rayleigh,Sentamarou,Hancock etc using Haki)
But to clear why he wasnt using it in the BB fight: That Ace didnt use Haki in his fight vs BB is just because he didnt need to use it. I mean BB was easily to hit without using Haki and we cant say for sure that Ace WASNT using Color of Armement(its not like it would produce a gloomy atmosphere around the user..we only noticed Sentamarou using it, because he hit a rubber-guy that easily and made him bleed).
So Ace could have used in that fight Haki without us noticing it.
Point stays it wasn`t necessary here to give us more infos about that techniques even when Ace was able to use it in that scene, it would have been a negative effect on the whole story to show already that early everything about Haki.
On the WAR! on the other hand Ace sure could have used Haki without confusing the reader, but actually when should he have done so?
I mean Sengoku sure would have contered easily a Haki-attack(cause i dont think that Ace was the first guy on a scaffold who was able to use that technique) and Color of Observation would have been useless and with handcuffs also Color of Armement wouldnt be much of a help.
Later as Ace was free Oda could have shown us Ace using Haki..but for what?
It wasn`t necessary becuase he was going to die minutes later and so Haki would have been wasted because everyone would have moaned:
"Ahh, you see even with that super technique Haki ,Ace died minutes later..pfff Haki is fucking weak!!!"
So it wouldn`t have been good for the reputation for Haki in the overall story i guess.
In my opinion Ace was sure able to use Haki but in the scenes we saw him during the story it was just not necessary to use it , or he could have used it without us rly noticing, because Oda then has to give him a opponent on which the effect of Haki is also visible for the reader, and that just didn`t happen.
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His devil fruit was first revealed during the war, so no, I don't think so. The chapter you are looking for might be 234, that's when he got an introduction box with his name and the title of strongest in the world.
I remember them talking about a "man" that can create tsunamis, or maybe it was earth quakes, then they say something like "its only a rumor and no one knows if its true."
@Don:
Mhh Oda gave us already hints in the first chapter(Shanks vs. King of the coast) and also later while Shanks was entering WB
s ship, so holding back with some basic usage of Haki by Ace…not rly likely. (I mean were talking about why Ace didn`t use it in the WAR! i guess, and to that point we already had Rayleigh,Sentamarou,Hancock etc using Haki)But to clear why he wasn
t using it in the BB fight: That Ace didnt use Haki in his fight vs BB is just because he didnt need to use it. I mean BB was easily to hit without using Haki and we cant say for sure that Ace WASNT using Color of Armement(its not like it would produce a gloomy atmosphere around the user..we only noticed Sentamarou using it, because he hit a rubber-guy that easily and made him bleed).
So Ace could have used in that fight Haki without us noticing it.
Point stays it wasn`t necessary here to give us more infos about that techniques even when Ace was able to use it in that scene, it would have been a negative effect on the whole story to show already that early everything about Haki.On the WAR! on the other hand Ace sure could have used Haki without confusing the reader, but actually when should he have done so?
I mean Sengoku sure would have contered easily a Haki-attack(cause i dont think that Ace was the first guy on a scaffold who was able to use that technique) and Color of Observation would have been useless and with handcuffs also Color of Armement wouldnt be much of a help.Later as Ace was free Oda could have shown us Ace using Haki..but for what?
It wasn`t necessary becuase he was going to die minutes later and so Haki would have been wasted because everyone would have moaned:
"Ahh, you see even with that super technique Haki ,Ace died minutes later..pfff Haki is fucking weak!!!"So it wouldn`t have been good for the reputation for Haki in the overall story i guess.
In my opinion Ace was sure able to use Haki but in the scenes we saw him during the story it was just not necessary to use it , or he could have used it without us rly noticing, because Oda then has to give him a opponent on which the effect of Haki is also visible for the reader, and that just didn`t happen.
Yeah, good analysis overall. But we don't know really how haki and BB d/f power interact fully, yet. And I will also point out that we never really saw the entire fight with BB and Ace–we were left hanging right when things got really intense, so there really is no way to know for sure specifically what happened after they clashed--although we know the result, obviously.
The thing is, I have my little theory, which I have mentioned to you before Don, that King's haki has more to it than bending boards and knocking out fodder and animals, 'cause everyone is wetting themselves whenever they see it. It's GOTTA be more than that! (right? Right???) So I still maintain that it's possible that Rayleigh opened Keimi's slave collar (and his own and the giant's as well, for that matter) in the auction house with some version of King's haki (since it's been proven to manipulate physical objects; (i.e. bending the boards on WB's ship) and that, Had Ace used it, or been able or known how to use it, as the case may be, he could have freed himself from his shackles on the platform. I further say that if he had done so, Oda would have basically tipped his hand about the potential of King's right there and then.
So yeah, now that you've made me think about it (kill joy!), my post was more or less based on a half baked theory of mine that I didn't even realize I was thinking of as cannon before it's been proven, damn it. Although I stand behind that particular bit of prognostication, so there. 
But we don't know really how haki and BB d/f power interact fully, yet. And I will also point out that we never really saw the entire fight with BB and Ace
Yeah we dont know how they interact, but Haki is definitely not as necessary by BB as it is by a Logia-user who else cant be hit.
But like you said we never saw the whole fight, so Ace using Haki is definitely not impossible.
Knowing that BB will be the final opponent and that Haki is a very important technique(Luffy spending two years to master it)we can be sure to assume that Luffy will somehow fight BB with Haki but for that we need more infos.
The thing is, I have my little theory, which I have mentioned to you before Don, that King's haki has more to it than bending boards and knocking out fodder and animals, 'cause everyone is wetting themselves whenever they see it.
Yup, we already talked about that and iam 100% behind the thought, that Kings Haki has more behind it than just intimidation and bending some planks.
It sure has a lot of potential to use it combined with the other Colors of Haki and also it should be possible to bundle that power one one specific spot orso, to make it dangerous also for stronger opponents who won`t faint that easily.
So I still maintain that it's possible that Rayleigh opened Keimi's slave collar (and his own and the giant's as well, for that matter) in the auction house with some version of King's haki (since it's been proven to manipulate physical objects; (i.e. bending the boards on WB's ship) and that, Had Ace used it, or been able or known how to use it, as the case may be, he could have freed himself from his shackles on the platform.
Here i see a problem.
When a Haki user would always be able to free himself from whatever handcuff or chain hes bound to, the WG would always instantly kill them. I mean in ID there are sure many Haki-users who should be able to escape then rather easily..but thats not the case! (just look, even Shiki had to cut off his legs,and considering him a legend should also imply that he was sure aware how to use Haki) So that its so easy to use Haki all the time to free oneself can`t be the point and so also for Ace not possible to free himself.
One explanation for that could be that Ace wasn`t able to use Kings Haki(\and so was not Shiki), and only that kind of Haki can be used to brake handcuffs etc(like we saw Rayleigh using it in the auction house)
<– here our theories how else Kings Haki can be used comes into the play
Another solution could be that the marine has handcuffs\chains similiar to Kairoseki, just for holding back Haki-users to free them.
Maybe the handcuffs in the auction house gave Rayleigh to much space to move his hands the way he had to free him, while Ace`s handcuffs + the watching eye of Sengoku were enough protection to detain Ace to use Haki here.
So yeah, now that you've made me think about it (kill joy!), my post was more or less based on a half baked theory of mine that I didn't even realize I was thinking of as cannon before it's been proven, damn it
Thats what iam here for..just killing your joy, my dear
But about Ace not using Haki to free himself:
I guess youre right in saying that it just would have been awkward for the story when suddenly Ace could free himself that easily with a world wide known technique.The marines should be aware of that technique so there is NO FUCKING WAY that Ace could free himself via that technique. So Oda simply just didnt use it here, even when it may be possible.
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@Don:
Yeah we don
t know how they interact, but Haki is definitely not as necessary by BB as it is by a Logia-user who else cant be hit.
But like you said we never saw the whole fight, so Ace using Haki is definitely not impossible.
Knowing that BB will be the final opponent and that Haki is a very important technique(Luffy spending two years to master it)we can be sure to assume that Luffy will somehow fight BB with Haki but for that we need more infos.
Interesting point about Luffya nd teh final battle with BB. Obviously Haki will be decisive in some way, but if he totally pwns him too fast due to having haki when BB doesn't, that would not be the satifying fight we're all looking forward to. I'm betting it'll be something a little more like the battle with Lucci–where Luffy almost loses, but then pulls it out at the last minute, although by then I don't think we should see him laying on the floor nearly dead. He should be the clear winner. So while I agree haki will play a part, I have to think there're be some way BB can counter it, and Luffy will have to think on his feet to finally be the ultimate winner.
Yup, we already talked about that and iam 100% behind the thought, that Kings Haki has more behind it than just intimidation and bending some planks.
It sure has a lot of potential to use it combined with the other Colors of Haki and also it should be possible to bundle that power one one specific spot orso, to make it dangerous also for stronger opponents who won`t faint that easily.
See I knew you'd come around to my way of thinking. A true gentleman never argues with a lady. Plus, I'm always right, as you'll soon see when you lose our bet.:ninja:
Here i see a problem.
What?!? See above. :ninja:
When a Haki user would always be able to free himself from whatever handcuff or chain he
s bound to, the WG would always instantly kill them. I mean in ID there are sure many Haki-users who should be able to escape then rather easily..but thats not the case! (just look, even Shiki had to cut off his legs,and considering him a legend should also imply that he was sure aware how to use Haki) So that its so easy to use Haki all the time to free oneself can`t be the point and so also for Ace not possible to free himself.
(sigh) Yes I suppose that could be true, except it needs intense training to gain even the basics of any haki, and that there are so few King's Haki users, and out of them, perhaps even fewer still who have fully mastered the advanced uses of the technique, perhaps many are never even able to fully master the finer uses, and I would think something as delicate as a lock, especially the ones on those neck collars that could trigger an explosion, must be damned hard to do…
One explanation for that could be that Ace wasn`t able to use Kings Haki(\and so was not Shiki), and only that kind of Haki can be used to brake handcuffs etc(like we saw Rayleigh using it in the auction house)
<– here our theories how else Kings Haki can be used comes into the playAnother solution could be that the marine has handcuffs\chains similiar to Kairoseki, just for holding back Haki-users to free them.
Maybe the handcuffs in the auction house gave Rayleigh to much space to move his hands the way he had to free him, while Ace`s handcuffs + the watching eye of Sengoku were enough protection to detain Ace to use Haki here.
Yes, I think it's quite probable that Ace never had much formal haki training while on WBs crew. Like a previous poster commented, it's likely they had other things to keep them occupied, and Luffy jsut spent two years in intense training just to learn to basics, so while Ace apparently knew about haki, and couold even tell king's from other types (judging from his reaction when Luffy used his during the war) he may not have had the training to use his own effectively.
As for cuffs or some other restraining device useful against haki users–with Vegapunk running around, anything seems possible.
Thats what iam here for..just killing your joy, my dear
I love you too, babe 
But about Ace not using Haki to free himself:
I guess youre right in saying that it just would have been awkward for the story when suddenly Ace could free himself that easily with a world wide known technique.The marines should be aware of that technique so there is NO FUCKING WAY that Ace could free himself via that technique. So Oda simply just didnt use it here, even when it may be possible.
Ah, so we circle back to the place where I'm right, again, just as it ought to be. I like it here. 
(Bone? You were "throwing me a bone?" What bone? I see no bones lying around here. )
@I:
Obviously Haki will be decisive in some way, but if he totally pwns him too fast due to having haki when BB doesn't, that would not be the satifying fight we're all looking forward to.
I guess it will be the hardest fight Luffy will ever face and that he will win it just barely escaping death.
And i think BB will maybe also use Haki till then(or won`t see it anymore as a threat)
See I knew you'd come around to my way of thinking. A true gentleman never argues with a lady.
Yup, he controls her mentally without her noticing.
[…]and that there are so few King's Haki users, and out of them, perhaps even fewer still who have fully mastered the advanced uses of the technique, perhaps many are never even able to fully master the finer uses, and I would think something as delicate as a lock, especially the ones on those neck collars that could trigger an explosion, must be damned hard to do…
It sure is a technique only a few can pull off but in the end we will sure have more then a handfull of charas who`re able to do so.
(I mean everything which is rare appears sooner or later more often in a manga
-DFs are now actually common instead of rare
-we know a lot of D.s
-many Kings Haki users already even when they should be super rare…
I guess in the end it will be like SuperSayajins in DB..first just 1 every 100 years..but then we will see a lot in the story non the less)
[…]he may not have had the training to use his own effectively.
Considering how much time it requires, it is sure possible that Ace wasn`t rly far in learning to control his Haki as perfect as needed to free him from the handcuffs.Good point.
Ah, so we circle back to the place where I'm right, again, just as it ought to be. I like it here.
Don`t get to cheeky lady.
You will see how glad you are to have at least one bone to nibble from after losing our bet 
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"When is the next chapter coming out?"
Uuuuhhhh… Yeah dumbass, 4 week break you hyper bastard. Less than a week left of you crying yourself to sleep. Now take a nap.
I remember that there was a thread concerning oda's past before, but it's closed now… Anyway, it said some really sad stuff about oda but I don't think it's true. Some parts were believable, but didhe really eat his parents? Cuz that was just too much for me. And there were things about nobuhiro watsuki being murdered, so I did some research and it shows that he was still making manga in 2007, hat's way after oda created one piece. So, tion is, is that storey about oda true?
Correct, he ate their livers with some beans and a nice chianti.
^^(shudder) Silence of the Lambs reference? ^^
@Don:
I guess it will be the hardest fight Luffy will ever face and that he will win it just barely escaping death.
And i think BB will maybe also use Haki till then(or won`t see it anymore as a threat)
See I do think it will be hard, really really hard, but I don't know that he'd have to come close to death to make it all it could be. I suppose it depends on where Oda goes with this story from here. I figure after beating BB, he'll take the One Piece and then the real end battle against the WG will begin. If that's the progression, instead of BB being the penultimate ending battle, then Luffy ought to walk away from his fight with BB upright, the clear victor, with strength undenied, ready to take on the final foe–not be almost dead. Guess we'll see.
Yup, he controls her mentally without her noticing.
snort touche
@Don:
It sure is a technique only a few can pull off but in the end we will sure have more then a handfull of charas who`re able to do so.
(I mean everything which is rare appears sooner or later more often in a manga
-DFs are now actually common instead of rare
-we know a lot of D.s
-many Kings Haki users already even when they should be super rare…
I guess in the end it will be like SuperSayajins in DB..first just 1 every 100 years..but then we will see a lot in the story non the less)
See here I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge about manga in general. I just haven't read enough to know, though what you say sounds like what I've heard others say about manga as well.
To be picky, though, in OP it can be argued that the NW ought to have the best and strongest willed etc etc people in that world, given what we've been told about it, so it stands to reason that we'd see a lot more of both d/f users and people with haki ability. I think Oda even said there would be a place "crawling with d/f users" in a relatively early SBS, so I'm not really surprised–I think it fits the progression of the story.
Considering how much time it requires, it is sure possible that Ace wasn`t rly far in learning to control his Haki as perfect as needed to free him from the handcuffs.Good point.
LOL thank you. My you are generous with the bones this evening, LOL.
@Don:
Don`t get to cheeky lady.
You will see how glad you are to have at least one bone to nibble from after losing our bet
Huh! You sounds sorta desparate to me, lol.
Don't worry, the new sig I'm making is so very… well, I can't say, can I? That would spoil the surprise.
Bwahahahaha
@I:
See I do think it will be hard, really really hard, but I don't know that he'd have to come close to death to make it all it could be. I suppose it depends on where Oda goes with this story from here. I figure after beating BB, he'll take the One Piece and then the real end battle against the WG will begin. If that's the progression, instead of BB being the penultimate ending battle, then Luffy ought to walk away from his fight with BB upright, the clear victor, with strength undenied, ready to take on the final foe–not be almost dead. Guess we'll see.
BB rly gets hyped with every step he makes so far to be the ultimate opponent for Luffy.
His recent actions and him having now 2!! DFs..he will be the guy Luffy has to beat in the NW to achieve his dreams.
Just see his crew which is more and more fitting for an end brawl against the SH-crew.
Also i can`t see Luffy still having some power after going against his biggest opponent for the title of PK.
It will be a close match against his adversary.
Going against the WG..mhh i think the main fight against the WG will be before the BB match, and later the crew will find the message(the OP) and then it`s only a matter of spreading it around the world.
In my eyes thats the reason why the crew will then seperate themself and we see some last shots of the crewmembers meeting old friends and stuff and then maybe preparing for the last big WAR! to topple the WG from their allmighty position. (here iam not rly confident with my prediction..with time i have to add here more stuff..for example i guess we will see the BigWAR, but i still think the last fight will be against BB..maybe BB will fight Luffy while the BigWAR is starting)
Huh! You sounds sorta desparate to me, lol.
:ninja: Do I ?
(btw, you never read Dragonball? Wow, thats normally one of the first mangas everyone starts with.
Mhh, you read any other series beside OP or did you directly start with OP and nothing before? -we may go here to PM)
Don't worry, the new sig I'm making is so very… well, I can't say, can I? That would spoil the surprise.
Nahh i wont be spoiled..i also dont spoil you.
But iam curious if i will ever see this sig under my posts..i doubt that.
I has a kuestion
is luffy a humans? because he has a tail. other humans in one piece doesnt have tails.
I has a kuestion
is luffy a humans? because he has a tail. other humans in one piece doesnt have tails.
When the heck does Luffy get a tail? :wassat:
@Don:
BB rly gets hyped with every step he makes so far to be the ultimate opponent for Luffy.
His recent actions and him having now 2!! DFs..he will be the guy Luffy has to beat in the NW to achieve his dreams.
Just see his crew which is more and more fitting for an end brawl against the SH-crew.
Also i can`t see Luffy still having some power after going against his biggest opponent for the title of PK.
It will be a close match against his adversary.Going against the WG..mhh i think the main fight against the WG will be before the BB match, and later the crew will find the message(the OP) and then it`s only a matter of spreading it around the world.
In my eyes thats the reason why the crew will then seperate themself and we see some last shots of the crewmembers meeting old friends and stuff and then maybe preparing for the last big WAR! to topple the WG from their allmighty position. (here iam not rly confident with my prediction..with time i have to add here more stuff..for example i guess we will see the BigWAR, but i still think the last fight will be against BB..maybe BB will fight Luffy while the BigWAR is starting)
Maybe… I can see how people could argue for BB being the last villain. It's just that... Well, I don't think finding the one piece will be the end of the story. I've felt there's been a lot of foreshadowing of a final, huge conflict with the WG for some time now--and I know you aren't trying to argue against that point--few would at this point in the story I'd guess, so it's more a matter of not agreeing completely on what order the course of events will take. I think we got something of a clue in WB’s speech to BB during the war before he died. If this is Oda speaking through WB (and there’s no reason to think otherwise, really) then this is very specific about the order of events:
http://www.haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=One+Piece&chapter=Chapter+576&page=11&next=true
Here he says specifically, “When somebody finally finds that treasure… The World will be turned upside down!” That seems to say that the “great battle that will someday engulf the entire world” that he mentioned in the preceding panel will come after that ”somebody” finds that treasure. Given that Luffy is that “somebody,” logically it follows that Luffy has to find the treasure and become PK first, and since BB is being touted as his greatest rival for the title of PK and the treasure at Raftel, that means that battle with Teach has to come first.
Of course it’s entirely possible for Oda to have something else in mind that still fits this scenario, or for WB to have something wrong, since he heard it second hand from Roger. Only time and Oda will tell, I guess. Lol.
How do they keep fishmen like jinbei behind bars? they have massive strength and aren't affected by kairoseki.
How do they keep fishmen like jinbei behind bars? they have massive strength and aren't affected by kairoseki.
And how the heck do you think Jinbei would get out of Impel Down by himself?
Kairouseki is as hard as diamond
Kairouseki is as hard as diamond
didnt someone say its harder than diamond?
i dont know where if can give me a chapter # if they know what im referring to that be awesome
@Rubber:
Does anyone remember what chapter/episode it was when WB was first mentioned? if i remember correctly they were still in east blue, and I think they were talking about his DF, not sure if they actually mentioned his name or not.
Chapter 159, Alabasta arc.
@BusterCall
My only problem with BB being not the last villain is ,that after this fight,which villain could elsebring us a satisfying endbattle.
Akainu may be a candidate but actually BB was all the time hyped to be the one who will be the last one for Luffy standing before his dream.
After that every fight would be like:
"Yeah Luffy already has his title and defeated the strongest man around..so now this battle is just..meh"
It wouldnt thrill us that way BB vs Luffy would do (or at least for me so far). I still consider to have a huge end battle(WAR) to kick the WG but then Luffy doesnt have to have a 1vs.1 endbattle in my eyes.
It would be more like…
"Let us all togeather(the whole crew and all the friend Luffy has) bring this world a better future"
Also cool and necessary but still the real endbattle for Luffy 1vs.1 would be against BB.
Unrevealed_Loki/Rocks/Im-san_
IslandElbaf/Raftel/GodValley
UnresolvedWeevil´s plan/Explaining DFs/Deal with Kuma-Bonney´s past/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
@Don:
@BusterCall
My only problem with BB being not the last villain is ,that after this fight,which villain could elsebring us a satisfying endbattle.
Akainu may be a candidate but actually BB was all the time hyped to be the one who will be the last one for Luffy standing before his dream.
After that every fight would be like:
"Yeah Luffy already has his title and defeated the strongest man around..so now this battle is just..meh"
It wouldnt thrill us that way BB vs Luffy would do (or at least for me so far). I still consider to have a huge end battle(WAR) to kick the WG but then Luffy doesnt have to have a 1vs.1 endbattle in my eyes.
It would be more like…
"Let us all togeather(the whole crew and all the friend Luffy has) bring this world a better future"
Also cool and necessary but still the real endbattle for Luffy 1vs.1 would be against BB.
Well it occured to me that Luffy could beat BB to Raftel, get the OP and the title PK (he has Robin, after all, and I get the impression you need to read the poneglyphs to get the OP–how's BB gonna get that ability?), the huge war could begin, and only then, when we think it's about over, does BB show up and attempt to steal everything from Luffy the same way he did from WB.
@I:
Well it occured to me that Luffy could beat BB to Raftel, get the OP and the title PK (he has Robin, after all, and I get the impression you need to read the poneglyphs to get the OP–how's BB gonna get that ability?), the huge war could begin, and only then, when we think it's about over, does BB show up and attempt to steal everything from Luffy the same way he did from WB.
I thought of something similar, only Kidd at the start, though.
@I:
Well it occured to me that Luffy could beat BB to Raftel, get the OP and the title PK (he has Robin, after all, and I get the impression you need to read the poneglyphs to get the OP–how's BB gonna get that ability?), the huge war could begin, and only then, when we think it's about over, does BB show up and attempt to steal everything from Luffy the same way he did from WB.
Yeah, that is one possibility i would be glad with.
for example i guess we will see the BigWAR, but i still think the last fight will be against BB..maybe BB will fight Luffy while the BigWAR is starting
Kind of the same thought here,just here with a bIgWAR thats starts after Luffy knowing what stands on the Rioponeglyph.
Unrevealed_Loki/Rocks/Im-san_
IslandElbaf/Raftel/GodValley
UnresolvedWeevil´s plan/Explaining DFs/Deal with Kuma-Bonney´s past/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
I've felt for a long time now that Coby will have to be Luffy's final fight in the series.
It's been foreshadowed over and over again that Coby is going to become incredibly powerful, and he has a tons of inspiration from Luffy and Garp to become powerful.
I think a battle between the friends in Admiral Coby and Pirate King Luffy would be a great last battle in the series. Luffy having to fight the man he saved at the very beginning of the series.
One of my favorites lines in movies came from Unbreakable.
" you know how you can tell who the arch-villain's going to be? He's the exact opposite of the hero. And most times they're friends, like you and me!"
This sounds a lot like Coby at the beginning of the series.
@Don:
Yeah, that is one possibility i would be glad with.
Kind of the same thought here,just here with a bIgWAR thats starts after Luffy knowing what stands on the Rioponeglyph.
for example i guess we will see the BigWAR, but i still think the last fight will be against BB..maybe BB will fight Luffy while the BigWAR is starting
Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to take credit for an idea you already wrote, lol. I guess I was more trying to think of a way to get them into place so that sequence of events made sense, storywise. I didn't see your reasoning for having Luffy battle BB at the beginning of the war in your original post. Guess if I'd thought about it more, it would have seemed obvious, since its more or less the way BB operates, and really there no other option at this point in the story–-we know they are both after the same end result. So you get the credit for having the idea first. (Or is this an example the "mentally controlling" thing you mentioned earlier?!?:blink: I don't know anymore! I'm so confused! 
Man, that mind control stuff is evil! LOL!)
I've felt for a long time now that Coby will have to be Luffy's final fight in the series.
It's been foreshadowed over and over again that Coby is going to become incredibly powerful, and he has a tons of inspiration from Luffy and Garp to become powerful.
I think a battle between the friends in Admiral Coby and Pirate King Luffy would be a great last battle in the series. Luffy having to fight the man he saved at the very beginning of the series.
One of my favorites lines in movies came from Unbreakable.
" you know how you can tell who the arch-villain's going to be? He's the exact opposite of the hero. And most times they're friends, like you and me!"This sounds a lot like Coby at the beginning of the series.
Yeah I see the foreshadowing of our little friend Coby being very strong too, it's just that I also see him being written as having a different sense of what's "right" and what's "Justice," partially due to his friendship and hero worship of Luffy.
Now bear with me, because these are not fully formed thoughts, and as a result I don't know how much sense they will make altogether, for which I apologize.
Coby will be the change that comes to the WG, while Luffy and crew represent the change that comes to the pirate world. While they may represent the modern day "Garp and Roger," (geeze, Coby trained by Garp, Luffy raised with Roger's son and trained by Roger's first mate? Can we get any more obvious? LOL) yet I still think there will be a different way for them to interact than the way Roger and Garp did, because they are being written as completely different people, and partially becasue they are the beneficiaries of older, wiser versions of GArp and Roger–people with a longer view of the justice they either persued or evaded, as the case may be, when they were younger.
As short a time ago as Water 7, Garp attacked and seemed fully prepared to sink Luffy's ship--but IMHO he seemed not surprised in the least that Luffy escaped him--almost as if he expected it, in that same blind, optomistic way that Luffy has--the belief that others in the series have expressed in "leaving it to fate" or "luck." I believe that a good part of the reason Oda wrote Garp stepping down as a VA was because Ace's death shook Garp's belief in that sort of justice by means of fate/good luck thing. I also believe Oda will make that change of perspective come in to play as Garp trains Coby, and will mix in with Coby natural kind heartedness and desire to seek a more even handed justice than we have seen from the WG to date.
I have other reasons that I feel Coby and Luffy will not be written as ultimately becoming antogonists in the same mode as Garp and Roger percolating around in the back of my mind, but they are even less developed than these, so I'll keep my own counsel on those as of yet. Yes, this is enough exposure of my insanity at the moment, lol.
(Excuse me if this is in anyway already posted…but whatever.)
Just a thing I sat & thought about on OP, when you eat a devil fruit, how do you know or go about figuring out what power you have?
With some of the obvious, like Buggy's or Luffy's one day you stretch or disconnect your arm, but what about the other ones like turning into sand or a certain animal?
Anyone have an speculation on that?
Well, this thread isn't the best but worth talking about i guess. Well your devil fruit will probably act up in a certain time
hm, for sand.. you could turn part of your body into sand when you get hit I guess.
Animal…...... not sure, I guess that's like how Chopper found his powers.
Maybe when you eat it, it acts out all berserk and you instantly know what animal you are. []
i dont really know. its only been stated that you realise it soon after you eat it.
like you guys said for luffy it was obvious. i think its like some kind of kognitive process like when you are doing a problem in maths and you just suddenly realise how to solve it… like when the lightbulb comes and starts shining...
(hope you get what im saying)
Blackbeard is in a ironic twist the guy that Haki affects the less
Armament Haki: Passes through defense. Yeah, congratulations on passing Blackbeard's defe- What defense? The guy has no defense whatsoever, his defense consists on him getting 2x the damage.
Mantra Haki: Blackbeard's attacks are hardly agile, from what we've seen from the manga, all of his attacks were pretty slow, the only reason why most of them affected the opponent was either because he was weak or unable to use his powers. The only strong and quick attack Blackbeard has is Kurouzu and Blackhole, attacks that don't seem to be easily avoided even when predicted.
I dunno about the Spirit Haki, but I am assuming Blackbeard is strong enough to stand suffering the opponent's presence, I might be wrong
@I:
Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to take credit for an idea you already wrote, lol. I guess I was more trying to think of a way to get them into place so that sequence of events made sense, storywise. I didn't see your reasoning for having Luffy battle BB at the beginning of the war in your original post. Guess if I'd thought about it more, it would have seemed obvious, since its more or less the way BB operates, and really there no other option at this point in the story–-we know they are both after the same end result. So you get the credit for having the idea first. (Or is this an example the "mentally controlling" thing you mentioned earlier?!?:blink: I don't know anymore! I'm so confused!
Lol,yeah its my mental control skill youre expierencing right now
I take it off(for a while) when you promise me that you dont appologize all the time for taking something or not. (lol,i didnt meaned to claim the credit,just wanted to point out that i had a similiar idea which leads us in the same direction for a scenario where BB is the last one Luffy has to fight…in this case after finding the OP)
There's a devil fruit book that tells them what all the fruits do.
Dunno who wrote the book though. Wait till Vegapunk arrives.
BB will be the last enemy for luffy; It's been hinted at so many times. Most likely BB will kill shanks in an attempt to get the information out of him of how to get to raftel and where one piece is, or he might go after rayleigh luffy's sensei. BB is too dumb and to violent to reach raftel on his own, he'll have to try and kill someone in an attempt to reach the island and ultimately one piece.
I think BB will believe he reached one piece before luffy and will claim to be the true pirate king. I think BB will also try to gather legions of pirate crews under his control after he runs around claiming to be the PK.
SH pirates will stand against him, with help from the remaining WB crew, any crew that will be still loyal to WB, Shanks crew (if not killed by BB.) and any crew supporting shanks, plus the remaining super novas. (minus Kidds crew, they most likely will be on BB side).
Plus the marines will be there with coby, helmpo whatever face, the admirals etc trying to destroy whatever one piece is forever.
Plus the revolutionary army trying to destroy the goverment once and for all.
When the dust settles, who every is left stand will be king.
If the marines win, they would have killed off any major threats of pirates and the revolutionary army.
If BB wins, he brings an age of darkness.
If luffy wins, he'll bring an age of freedom to sail the sea and an age of humanity that will sink into the marines once and for all changing their wicked ways.
