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@Thousand:
That was because it was stupid and pointless and even disgustingly tasteless and based on silly psychobabble about paternal nurturing that no one gives a shit about especially when it was being forcefully applied to manslaughtering ants.
This chapter was pure, well-done emotion about two friends spending their last moments together.
Don't even try to compare the two.
It was also annoying because it seemed as though Netero's sacrifice was in vain when Meryem was saved. Only through his changed mindset and the Rose Poison did it feel like anything more than a waste of a good character.
Also… it was weird. And disturbing.
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Well goodbye HxH see you in another life.
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@RobbyBevard:
Dragon Quest 10 is going to be an MMO, by the way.
Does it have a Monthly fee? that way he needs money and we won´t see a hiatus anytime soon.
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He's rich as fuck, his wife is rich as fuck, and her family is also rich as fuck.
He's in no need of money.
この世に悪があるとすればそれは人の心だ。
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HXH and Togashi are truly in a league of their own
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Mashima is a big gamer, too, but you don't see him taking a huge hiatus every couple months. For all the bashing people give him, he's at least consistent.
On the chapter:
This was a heartfelt chapter. Komugi and Mereum having a final game before dying. A little odd that Komugi just wants to die, just like that, but I guess I can understand her devotion to Mereum and her willingness to be with him in his final moments (which would end up becoming hers, too). It's touching.
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This was a beautiful chapter
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It was fantastic. I'm sad that we're losing such a great charcter, but happy to finally see this god forsaken-10 year long arc come to a close.
I Know it really wasn't that long, but for gods sake, it felt like it.
Also, can't wait for the Anime
It looks wonderful!*Edit
The reason I'm looking forward to the anime, is mainly cuz I'm a snob when it comes to art. Why I'm even reading HxH is beyond me, but I am waiting with bated breath for the updated anime.
It's most likely going to be the same exact thing, but still. Gotta sell to a new generation somehow. -
That was a very nice chapter, really glad I got into this series.
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@Fire Fist:
Mashima is a big gamer, too, but you don't see him taking a huge hiatus every couple months. For all the bashing people give him, he's at least consistent.
Yeah, but the amount of thought and effort that goes into a chapter of Rave Master or Fairy Tail borders on zero. Togashi's far from perfect, but Mashima is the lowest of the low. One of the worst mangaka in shonen history.
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Really brilliant chapter! I hadn't read a single-chapter with so much emotion in a while.
@Fire Fist:
Mashima is a big gamer, too, but you don't see him taking a huge hiatus every couple months. For all the bashing people give him, he's at least consistent.
Are you really discussing Mashima here!? That's like talking about Britney Spears in a Beatles topic.
@RobbyBevard:
Dragon Quest 10 is going to be an MMO, by the way.
Damn. The hiatus will be 5 times longer.
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Sorry I haven't commented yet but I think I will now:
At first going into this chapter I was fine with visiting Meryem's death but I felt that it would be wrong to spend a whole chapter on it and so I was annoyed. The second Komugi started sobbing I realized that Togashi made the right decision with this chapter and I was wrong. I remember a while back people were saying Meryem was bland, he was just another stoic "badass" who was never phased by anything. I'll just say flat out that I myself generally despise those types of characters but Meryem isn't that kind of character. I found myself genuinely caring about Meryem and his relationship with Komugi and I would say Togashi has come up with pretty much the perfect ending for them.
Just beautiful. Togashi. Why must such a lazy bastard be so good at writing? I think this was definitely better than the One Piece chapter this week.
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While I did like most of the recent patch, I didn't like this particular chapter at all. Most of it didn't make any sense to me.
So Komugi is so happy to be with the king… But WHY??? All what he ever done to her was getting beaten by her in Gun-gi repeatedly. If he was able to win (even once) she'd has been as good as dead. He even tried to manipulate her & ultimately failed. Yes he liked her more than he did to any other human, but it's not like he was actually "nice" to her in anyway, heck he just threatened to kill her if she lost a few moments ago. So why was she so happy to be with him?
And I laughed SO HARD on the marriage proposal reference...
& Our dear sophosticated Meruem!!! What about this guy? Does he like Komugi or he just wants to defeat her before he dies?
If he likes her so much then why kill her by his poison for just one more match? If he just wants to play, then why tell her he's about to die? (Yes, I know he did it to give her a choice, I'm just not buying it).
& He appreciates his royal guards now!!! WHY? actually among the 3 of them the only one worthy of any praise was Pitou. Yubi let go some of the king's enemies, while Pufu was... I won't even bother to explain. So how come they now became "too great for the likes of him"??? It's not like they had a choice. They were created exclusively to serve the king regardless of all else. It's like praising the dish washer for washing dishes.
All in all, I'm actually happy the king is going to die. and I don't mind Komugi dying with him if so she wishes...
You all can hate me now
I was banned from HxH thread b/c Robby disagrees with my opinion. 
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@Bad:
You all can hate me now
Nah, we'll just pity your ignorance.
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You are a bad person.
この世に悪があるとすればそれは人の心だ。
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With as much free time as Togashi has the least he could do is actually draw.
Still excited for whenever I get around to reading this though! I'm missing out I just know it…
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[
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Wow, you could easily tell Toriyama designed the characters.
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I just started this great work, and I pray Yogashi continues for a longer period (or hopefully be back for good!)… I take the new anime as a sign for that...
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Is this for me? Is not my problem the dude didn't even remember that the King's personality made a 180º after his loss of memory and the subsesquent developments, hence his change of heart towards Komugi and towards his soldiers and towards the humans.
You don't get it do you?
Read my post again.
Even ignoring that his 180 degree shift didn't make any sense, Komugi still had no reason to "love" the king, nor the king (after his personality change) had reason to KNOWINGLY KILL Komugi with his poison.
He also had no reason to admire Pufu & Yubi no matter how you look at it. They didn't "choose" to be his servants, they literally had no reason in life or choice but to serve him and yet they both screwed up.
If you can't see all this then well… to each his own.
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Komugi was fond of the king because he recognized her talent and forced her to push herself forward, probably he was the only oponent where she didn't do THAT MOVE and won.
The King is fond of his servants because even if they don't have a choise on serving him, they did.
Supose that we live in a world where every parent loves his child, then that love doesn't has a merit?
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Komugi was fond of the king because he recognized her talent and forced her to push herself forward, probably he was the only oponent where she didn't do THAT MOVE and won.
The King is fond of his servants because even if they don't have a choise on serving him, they did.
Supose that we live in a world where every parent loves his child, then that love doesn't has a merit?
I’m not a whiner & I don’t enjoy being persistent. Yet I still have to say Sorry; but I also don’t buy your argument.
So the King was the best Gun-gi player she ever faced and he pushed her to her limits (while threatening to KILL her in the last match). Is that a reason for her to “love” him, let alone wanting to DIE with him? I think not.
And your examble of the “parents love” is far from being relevant. Parents give life, feed, shelter, educate and raise their children from nothing till adulthood. Do you really see this comparable to the king & his royal guards?
A better example will be… well, ANTS. Do you think the ant queen appreciate the hard working worker ants till the point it thinks “they are too good for the likes of her”? Again I don’t think so.
But don’t worry; I’m have no plans of ruining the thread or keep complaining forever specially that most people seem to have liked the chapter, I just wanted to get it out of my chest just once (till Nekketsu pitied my “ignorance” … lol).
I was banned from HxH thread b/c Robby disagrees with my opinion. 
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@Bad:
I’m not a whiner & I don’t enjoy being persistent. Yet I still have to say Sorry; but I also don’t buy your argument.
So the King was the best Gun-gi player she ever faced and he pushed her to her limits (while threatening to KILL her in the last match). Is that a reason for her to “love” him, let alone wanting to DIE with him? I think not.
Meruem doesn´t force her to her limits, he makes komugi feel her existance validated. Something she hadn´t feel in her whole life (remember her history about her life). I mean, the relationship of komugi and the king isn´t something Togashi came up with in this chapter, it has been slowly and surely developed in the previous chapters. That´s why it´s so great, they are great characters; they have a superb development.
A strange kind of love? could be, but then again Romeo and Juliet, Tristan and Isolde and a whole lot others are whackier. Love has a lot other ways to express itself other than fall into the bed in the arms of your loved one while a ballad cues in and you proceed to fornicate with the other half.
Of course, this is my point of view, someone can feel other thing from the chapters.
The guards? eh, fuck them.
Working thru some stuff. Dunno how long i will be here.
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Gun-gi was this girl's life.
In Komugi's country, losing was equivalent to death. All she could do, all she knew how to do - was play gun-gi. She pretty much acknowledged that she would be playing gun-gi until death. She had no self-esteem or faith in her ability to do anything else.
The King was someone who treated her with compassion, care, and respect - someone who challenged and impressed her in a way she'd never been challenged before… The King told her that these were his last moments and that he wanted to spend them playing this game with her. I'm sure to someone like Komugi, who was not valued by anyone - it was the utmost flattery. It may not be love, but it certainly was a deep and complete admiration for him. Considering how the King had the charisma to get people who were complete and total strangers to break down in tears after just a few words, or to respect him utterly in a few motions, Komugi, who captured so much of his attention -- was almost a foregone conclusion.
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this chapter totally made me think about the hand of god thing for all of those that are familiar with the Hikaru no Go series.
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There are many forms of expressing love. Through violence, through challenging, etc. The King's way is certainly not the most twisted form I have seen.
Humans like Komugi, or creatures like Meruem, are abound to question their special existences, trying to kindle a meaning for it. They are lonely in a certain way, and have empty space in their hearts that need to filled, and they filled each other's emptiness.
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@Bad:
I’m not a whiner & I don’t enjoy being persistent. Yet I still have to say Sorry; but I also don’t buy your argument.
So the King was the best Gun-gi player she ever faced and he pushed her to her limits (while threatening to KILL her in the last match). Is that a reason for her to “love” him, let alone wanting to DIE with him? I think not.
And your examble of the “parents love” is far from being relevant. Parents give life, feed, shelter, educate and raise their children from nothing till adulthood. Do you really see this comparable to the king & his royal guards?
A better example will be… well, ANTS. Do you think the ant queen appreciate the hard working worker ants till the point it thinks “they are too good for the likes of her”? Again I don’t think so.
But don’t worry; I’m have no plans of ruining the thread or keep complaining forever specially that most people seem to have liked the chapter, I just wanted to get it out of my chest just once (till Nekketsu pitied my “ignorance” … lol).
You keep trying to take the human values that the ants might have, even if it isn't about yupi, pufu nor pitou, it's not about the royal guards, it's about the king, and how in his existence, as both human, ant and something more, started to see them as parents and respected them as such.
And Komugi, as silence said it, she didn't play to live, she lived to play. If she was a warrior, or a man, you would not try to make the same point, over and over. She's giving up her life to battle with her greatest opponent ever in his final moments. She has no selfsteem, the king brought her worth out, not in the healthiest way, but in the only way that he could ever manage.
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! @Prismeru:
! > Meruem doesn´t force her to her limits, he makes komugi feel her existance validated. Something she hadn´t feel in her whole life (remember her history about her life). I mean, the relationship of komugi and the king isn´t something Togashi came up with in this chapter, it has been slowly and surely developed in the previous chapters. That´s why it´s so great, they are great characters; they have a superb development.
! You are right about the bolded part, and I didn’t like it back then more than I do now.
! In fact I didn’t like all the “If I lost even once then I better die", because it didn't make much sense to me. She’s the one who’s sponsoring her family by being a Gun-gi champ. Neither do I understand why would they mistreat her, nor does it make sense that if she lost even once she’s better dead. I know I’m might sound nitpicking on this, but I honestly wasn’t convinced by the reasons given of why she had such a low self esteem.
& if it’ll help, I admit I never liked Romeo & Juliet either
! @Silence:
! > Gun-gi was this girl's life.In Komugi's country, losing was equivalent to death. All she could do, all she knew how to do - was play gun-gi. She pretty much acknowledged that she would be playing gun-gi until death. She had no self-esteem or faith in her ability to do anything else.
! Going by this logic; Then Komugi’s character wasn’t great or interesting at all. She was only a 2 dimensional Gun-gi playing machine who lived & died as such. Such a character I neither can relate to, nor find any compassion or interest towards.
! @Silence:
! > The King was someone who treated her with compassion, care, and respect - someone who challenged and impressed her in a way she'd never been challenged before…
! You are totally correct; my problem would still be: Was that it enough for her to die with him just for 1 more match(remember She's still can have a long life full of Gun-gi)? Apparently, yes it was, and that is something I don’t like. Like I said earlier: to each his own, and personally I never liked this kind of relationships where one treats the other nicely so the other is his slave for life (check: Haku/Zabuza & Kimimaro/Irichimaru for reference).
! @Silence:
! > The King told her that these were his last moments and that he wanted to spend them playing this game with her. I'm sure to someone like Komugi, who was not valued by anyone - it was the utmost flattery.
! She was crying in happiness for being with him even before he told her he’s about to die.
! @Silence:
! > It may not be love, but it certainly was a deep and complete admiration for him. Considering how the King had the charisma to get people who were complete and total strangers to break down in tears after just a few words, or to respect him utterly in a few motions, Komugi, who captured so much of his attention – was almost a foregone conclusion.
! Here I’ll have to disagree; The king wasn’t charismatic, he was simply THAT strong. At the end of it all of his followers simply walked away from him except for the 3 who were created solely for his service. Now compare him to Gyro (sp?) who lost all his status & yet his people remained loyal to him to get what I would call charismatic. however this is trivial point for what we are currently discussing.
! @maxterdexter:
! > You keep trying to take the human values that the ants might have, even if it isn't about yupi, pufu nor pitou, it's not about the royal guards, it's about the king, and how in his existence, as both human, ant and something more, started to see them as parents and respected them as such.
! I’m sorry but I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say. May be I missed it when he was threatening to kill them if they didn’t tell him the truth (after his great transformation & character development).
! @maxterdexter:
! > And Komugi, as silence said it, she didn't play to live, she lived to play. If she was a warrior, or a man, you would not try to make the same point, over and over. She's giving up her life to battle with her greatest opponent ever in his final moments. She has no selfsteem, the king brought her worth out, not in the healthiest way, but in the only way that he could ever manage.
! If it will answer your remark, I didn’t like it when Vegeta became evil just to try & defeat Goku once. It did actually make much more sense than the King/Komugi situation because Vegeta wanted to overcome a wall while Komugi never lost to the king, but I still didn’t like it.I was banned from HxH thread b/c Robby disagrees with my opinion. 
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@Bad:
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Going by this logic; Then Komugi’s character wasn’t great or interesting at all. She was only a 2 dimensional Gun-gi playing machine who lived & died as such. Such a character I neither can relate to, nor find any compassion or interest towards.That's a very shallow view of the character and gross simplification. Just think about it a little.
Even people with exceptional talent will only become exceptional when they embrace it. Komugi is only this godly because she found her purpose at a super young age, and that is playing gun-gi and by the way she acts (like getting emotional and all the child references) you could say she actually loves gun-gi. There is always a lot of layers to people that achieve absolute mastery in something. I mean you wouldn't say that netero was a 2 dimensional character because he was a praying/training machine, or would you?@Bad:
You are totally correct; my problem would still be: Was that it enough for her to die with him just for 1 more match(remember She's still can have a long life full of Gun-gi)? Apparently, yes it was, and that is something I don’t like. Like I said earlier: to each his own, and personally I never liked this kind of relationships where one treats the other nicely so the other is his slave for life (check: Haku/Zabuza & Kimimaro/Irichimaru for reference).
She was crying in happiness for being with him even before he told her he’s about to die.Now your watching this from the entirely wrong angle. Komugi is no slave for live. Now in order to understand her decision you have to first understand what gungi meant for her. Again it was her life purpose. Something she treasured, not something she despised. Now it might be kind of hard to relate to someone who has found their purpose if yourself haven't yet. But to explain it, it's like a calling that gives you certainty. I can relate to that a lot because when I was young I was always drawing it was like a compulsion and now I'm studying communication design and I wouldn't have it any other way. Now for Komugi playing that last "perfect" game against the king is pretty much like an artist doing his masterpiece and than dying. So it's not the biggest price to pay from that perspective. There is no worth in just living without purpose, without anything to reach for. And it's stated at the end that these 2 have found meaning in their live by having that last game.
@Bad:
I’m sorry but I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say. May be I missed it when he was threatening to kill them if they didn’t tell him the truth (after his great transformation & character development).
First of all the king threatened to kill his guards when he was under amnesia. All the character developement he had during his fight with Netero was pretty much reset. But you can see that it came back to him when you look at how he answered welfins threat of how he would get back at him with jairo.
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That's a very shallow view of the character and gross simplification. Just think about it a little.
Even people with exceptional talent will only become exceptional when they embrace it. Komugi is only this godly because she found her purpose at a super young age, and that is playing gun-gi and by the way she acts (like getting emotional and all the child references) you could say she actually loves gun-gi. There is always a lot of layers to people that achieve absolute mastery in something. I mean you wouldn't say that netero was a 2 dimensional character because he was a praying/training machine, or would you?Now your watching this from the entirely wrong angle. Komugi is no slave for live. Now in order to understand her decision you have to first understand what gungi meant for her. Again it was her life purpose. Something she treasured, not something she despised. Now it might be kind of hard to relate to someone who has found their purpose if yourself haven't yet. But to explain it, it's like a calling that gives you certainty. I can relate to that a lot because when I was young I was always drawing it was like a compulsion and now I'm studying communication design and I wouldn't have it any other way. Now for Komugi playing that last "perfect" game against the king is pretty much like an artist doing his masterpiece and than dying. So it's not the biggest price to pay from that perspective. There is no worth in just living without purpose, without anything to reach for. And it's stated at the end that these 2 have found meaning in their live by having that last game.
All what you quoted was directed to the what the king meant to Komugi not what the Gun-gi meant to her. If you want to discuss the Komugi/Gun-gi then you are taking all my posts out of context.
Regardless; If it was Gun-gi what Komugi treasured, then she needed not to sacrifice her life. This match was special because it was the KING’S last match, not because it presented a new challenge for Komugi. The King ALWAYS lost to her and there is no reason to believe this match will be different.
If her true passion was only playing Gun-gi then she should have lived on and searched for other opponents, as even though the King was her best Opponent yet, he still wasn’t good enough to beat her. Meanwhile, it’s only logic that one day another Gun-gi player will come and exceed her (because humans are like that).First of all the king threatened to kill his guards when he was under amnesia. All the character developement he had during his fight with Netero was pretty much reset. But you can see that it came back to him when you look at how he answered welfins threat of how he would get back at him with jairo.
The man I was replying to was saying that the King looked up to the royal guards as parents!!! Are you seriously defending his stance?
I was banned from HxH thread b/c Robby disagrees with my opinion. 
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This chapter was amazing and the human interactions that happened was totally in concordance with their character and growth.
The way I see it: Komugi gave birth to a child (Kokoriko) , had to kill it and now thanks to the king she gave birth to that child again, but now that child had a father (the king) and a mother (Komugi). How happy would a mother be if her long lost dead child, resurected before her –-> that's why she was crying of pure happiness, and that's why she didn't care about her life. She'd rather accompany the guy who brought her this happiness, the father of her child.
Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.
Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.
Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.
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@Bad:
The King ALWAYS lost to her and there is no reason to believe this match will be different.If her true passion was only playing Gun-gi then she should have lived on and searched for other opponents, as even though the King was her best Opponent yet, he still wasn’t good enough to beat her.
But he pushed her to her limits didn't he ? From the beginning until the current match she was being "forced" to evolve since Meruem was also constantly evolving. It's clear that Meruem was and will always be her best opponent since his learning ability seems limitless, i'm repeating myself but i have to say it again, every match he became a better player and was the reason for Komugi to become a better player herself. And for someone who only lives for gun gi the best to die will be a death while actually facing the best of the best. You know there's those people in other mangas who live to fight and prefer to die while facing a better opponent (Like Zodd before facing reincarnated Griffith), Komugi is just like that but the difference is that she still didn't lost. You'll tell that's why you don't get why she's willing to die but then i'll tell you that she also has a limitless potential in gun gi (as far as we know) and she know's it's the same for Meruem so it's better to die while having harder and harder matches instead of living and waiting for some player that may or may not appear.Sorry for the paragraph's format but i'm on ps3 and it's impossible to have line breaks.
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It would have been funny and cruel that after the king says that he's poisonous, komugi went "Checkmate, GG, good bye my league" and went her mery way.
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Just ordered vol 1-7 from Amazon. I now have two options:
1. Wait god knows how long until Viz, by some miracle, decide to reprint vol 8, 9 & 14.
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Try any local comic book stores you may have: I found 8,9, and 14 at mine this year.
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@The:
Try any local comic book stores you may have: I found 8,9, and 14 at mine this year.
Sadly, that's easier said than done in my case. Living in Scotland, and in a isolated town at that, I wouldn't know where to begin to look for a comic book store, if there is any in Scotland. I'm assuming there would be a few in England but I'm not going to take a costly trip down south just for a couple of volumes, if I was relatively well off financially and had plenty of free time I might, but unfortunately I am not. It's times like this when I wish I lived in America, there's cool shit everywhere, apparently.
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Komugi is the only human who ever defeated the king.
For all the badass fighters we had in the arc, she was the only one that beat him. And repeatedly, at that.
Consider that for a while.
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This chapter was amazing and the human interactions that happened was totally in concordance with their character and growth.
The way I see it: Komugi gave birth to a child (Kokoriko) , had to kill it and now thanks to the king she gave birth to that child again, but now that child had a father (the king) and a mother (Komugi). How happy would a mother be if her long lost dead child, resurected before her –-> that's why she was crying of pure happiness, and that's why she didn't care about her life. She'd rather accompany the guy who brought her this happiness, the father of her child.
So she was crying from happiness because she found away to resurrect kokoriko, not just because she was playing against him!. I never thought of that, but it actually makes much more sense. After that when he told her about the poison, she decided to stay with him considering how much happy she was & how it is an honor for someone like her to die with the great leader (her best opponent yet), playing the game that she lives for.
It might be "too cheesy" for my taste, but I concede; It's in-character and it does make sense.
But he pushed her to her limits didn't he ? From the beginning until the current match she was being "forced" to evolve since Meruem was also constantly evolving. It's clear that Meruem was and will always be her best opponent since his learning ability seems limitless
she also has a limitless potential in gun gi (as far as we know) and she know's it's the same for Meruem so it's better to die while having harder and harder matches instead of living and waiting for some player that may or may not appear.
I'll start w/ your last statement: "she has a limitless potential in gun gi", I'd say her potential in Gun-gi is superior to the king's. A couple of hours of challenging matches doesn't balance the potential of a lifetime against unknown opponents, at least for me.
IF this was ONLY about Gun-gi then she definitely needed NOT to stay with him. But it wasn't. It was accumulation of her low self esteem along with how he was the "great leader" & the whole kokoriko story. I may not like it, but it's not like I'm the mangakaIt would have been funny and cruel that after the king says that he's poisonous, komugi went "Checkmate, GG, good bye my league" and went her mery way.
"& Meruem is looking in disbelief & utter sadness while she closes the door behind her, never turning back."
I'd have LOVED that :happy:@RobbyBevard:
Komugi is the only human who ever defeated the king.
For all the badass fighters we had in the arc, she was the only one that beat him. And repeatedly, at that.
Consider that for a while.
I do consider it, Actually I'd be pissed if he won against her even once before he dies.
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Got back reading this manga after the long break but wow that was a great ending….really shows you that some shonen mangas end quite unexpenctantly, I mean in an arc
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Those were so interesting arguments
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318 spoiler pics: http://juinjutsuteam.forumcommunity.net/?t=47912259
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Those guys look pretty cool.
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I liked the hairy person with the huge fro, but not 100 % sure yet, due to me not knowing what his face looks like.
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Is that the clique of the vice-president? Most of these guys look like they just have returned from some bizzare adventure.
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Oh god new pics were added in Idol's link
! Meruem
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Is that the clique of the vice-president? Most of these guys look like they just have returned from some bizzare adventure.
Like Shaman King?
"You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero." - Vegeta, Hero Slayer Garou, most MLP villains etc.
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Like Shaman King?
