Shichibukai Discussion Thread

Gorlom

my thoughts dude, why do you repeat it?

Where did you say anything about reflecting space? all I see is a little post about useing airpressure to move at light speed…

INFACT your thoughts are the exact oposite of his as far as i can tell.

@Conan:

I have an idea about this teleportation think. Kuma can push air to shot with his pressure. then i thought on the other side he can push the air to move his body with lightspeed too?

that could be a reason for his teleportation!?

You are basicly saying he uses airpressure to move, right?
@Blue:

ii.)
I don't think Kuma's "teleportation" has something to do with just speed. If he was able to use some kind of air pressure power to speed himself up, he would have to use air pressure to speed himself down. Think of it, both in an instant… it would get really ugly for bistanders.

In the scene with Perona we just saw her vanish in a "puff". There were no paw marks, there was no little hole in the ground. She just vanished. Before he "teleported" her, he did something with the bible. If he needs the bible for his teleportation, why is he able to teleport later and in the scene with Nami, without using the bible?

His teleportation has to be part of his own powers AND it has to be usable for others!
We know: His powers are to reflect everything with the same force it hits him.

And… he only touched Perona... WITH the back his hand! Nothing else... He didn't reveal his palms at that time, he only showed the back of his hands. He had to use his bare hand...

Something that bugs me here... Is he able to reflect space? That would explain the teleportation, it can't be just air pressure or the bible…

His theory is not repeating your words at all.

Conan

@Gorlom:

Where did you say anything about reflecting space? all I see is a little post about useing airpressure to move at light speed…

INFACT your thoughts are the exact oposite of his as far as i can tell.

You are basicly saying he uses airpressure to move, right?

His theory is not repeating your words at all.

Ok, then tell me please where is the difference between reflecting space and pushing the air (which is the space that gonna be reflected) with his paws.

sorry but for me it means the same.

Gorlom

Its probably more like dimensional ripping and real teleportation (ie disappearing from some point in space and reappearing at some other point without traveling the distance between them)

Did you not notice how he repeatedly said he thought it was NOT something to do with airpreassure?

Conan

ahh.. i think i get it. you mean something like in maths; the mirroring of a point in a coordinate plane or something similar.

ok thats something different. :happy:

Silver R. Bolt

@rizu:

• that's why they called him a violence SCBK; sent people to their dream place in a violent way…

Or he could send then to the oppisite place of where they want.

AcethePuma

oh please for the whole bounty thing… was it stated anywhere, that they were all recruted at the same time? maybe croc was the first one to be recruited? because he was dangerous... afterwards the next one... there are many ways that can lead to the differences among the bounties... Shichibukais are dangerous for the WG...it maybe just occurs, that the kind of danger is seen in a early state...(lower bounty) or after doing something like destroying enies lobby....

and now on topic...a Shichibukai in my opinion doesn´t have to be weaker than the admirals... they use the WG for their own achievments(look at croc... he´s a Shichibukai he´s a hero.... lol, moria used the state of a Shichibukai as a cloak, so he could gather more and more zombies and then again try to become pirate king)) but although they don´t have to be weaker, i think the admirals are an own league...

Gorlom

@AcethePuma:

oh please for the whole bounty thing… was it stated anywhere, that they were all recruted at the same time? maybe croc was the first one to be recruited? because he was dangerous… afterwards the next one... there are many ways that can lead to the differences among the bounties... Shichibukais are dangerous for the WG...it maybe just occurs, that the kind of danger is seen in a early state...(lower bounty) or after doing something like destroying enies lobby....

How does the order in which they join the shichibukai affect anything?

Their bounties got frozen at a random point in their pirate career independent on when and in what order they joined. They can have joined before they reached their peak (ie the bounty matching their true strenght). They can have become stronger since or stayed the same.

Blackbeard joined before his bounty matched his power. Crocodile has probably done the second one and grown stronger since he joined. (i'm thinkning of Odas "acctual bounty coment).

The frozen bounties tell us only about the minimum strenght we can expect from them. It tells us nothing about their current full strenght.

/rant

STAREYe

Something to think about: Kuma's bounty is nearly identical to Luffy's. This means, at the time of his induction into the shichibukai, the World Government perceived Kuma to be as big a threat to the as they consider Luffy to be now. Luffy DECLARED WAR on the world Government, and successfully attacked Ennies Lobby.

What the hell has Akuma done to rival that, and how much stronger has he become since?

AcethePuma

well thats somekind of what i meant by the time they joined…. croc joined at a time it was the most proftiable for him... he had a bounty of 70mio(?) and noticed he could fullfill his "dreams" easier by cooperating with the wg... because of that he joined with lower bounty...

i´m sure the bounties are frozen at some point! i just wanted to say it doens´t show their real strength... it shows what they have been worth the time they joined... and well thats it...( i know i write it a litle confusing, but my english isn´t the best, not my mother tongue and at the moment: needsleep)

LuffyLuffyNoMi

Maybe his "teleportation ability" is just an illusion: By controlling air pressure he sure can use something like geppou, soru and kamisoru - but way faster than lucci was able to, because Kuma is able to create and control much higher air pressures as Lucci could create by moving his legs.

And so Perona was not teleported to the place she wanted to be - either into the bible… Kuma just did some calculations on what air pressure he needs to shoot her away. Sth. like an impacto.

Gorlom

Perona would go splat and leave a red puddle on the ground.

=P

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

Controlling Air Pressure huh? Even though that's not his power at all?

theinvisibleworm

I'm pretty sure that Zoro is going to be the one who beats Kuma. I don't know why everyone is underestimating him when he's been hurt a lot worse than this against opponents that he could not cut and still won in the past.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

I love how everyone's decided that they're going to beat Kuma.

I haven't bee here long, was it like this for Aokiji?

SmokeBomb

I don't really get how a paw could control air or deflect anything, i hope we get a better understanding of this power in the next chapter.

But, doesn't anybody feel that this is all the explaination we'll get?.

CodedTech

@Kitsune::

I love how everyone's decided that they're going to beat Kuma.

I haven't bee here long, was it like this for Aokiji?

Probably the case, but more emphasis on Luffy doing everything as usual (not that there isn't some "Luffy regains consciousness and knocks out Kuma for mentioning Ace" now). At least on other OP Forums I remember a bunch of "How is Luffy going to defeat Aokiji?" type posts, without questioning that he'd lose despite being revealed to be an Admiral.

As for the tpic, I wouldn't put Kuma on Aokiji's level yet, considering Aokiji is the strongest of the Navy. Kuma hasn't shown anything close to what he has.

Vanessa

@AcethePuma:

well thats somekind of what i meant by the time they joined…. croc joined at a time it was the most proftiable for him... he had a bounty of 70mio(?) and noticed he could fullfill his "dreams" easier by cooperating with the wg... because of that he joined with lower bounty...

Actually looking at Crocodile's little speech with Luffy during their third fight in the ruins, and the Goldenweek's coverstory when we see him; it's safe to assume that Crocodile joined the Shichibukai safte he came to a point where the sea became "too much" for him to handle.

Since Crocodile wanted to become Pirate king, it's safe to assume he had bigger ambitions early on. Also he mentioned to Luffy about how all rookies eventually learn the harsh reality of the sea(something like that). Sure now having the position helped with his plan to take over Alabasta, but I don't think he joined because it was "profitable" for his original dream.

Anyway I went off-topic there, I apologize.

About Kuma and Aokiji, i think it's dumb trying to compare to characters' strengths when we've barely seen anything out of the two. Let alone the affect that we're not even sure how Kuma's ability works, and we don't know the extent to which Aokiji uses his Hie Hie fruit.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

it obvious that aokiji is stronger cause he will fight with luffy a lot later than this fight now…
later villain is the strongest so far...that means that the villains before aren`t on that strange level like the later villain is.....cause luffy gots development like said before and he will still have hard fights against the newest villains...

WestPirate

Ok, so most people here think that the Paw Paw Fruit is a Paramecia, but what about this thought: it's an Air Logia? no, not like tornadoes, that's wind. But AIR, that's different. You know how he can telleport and stuff? Well, if it was an Air Logia, this could be explained as him turning into Air and automatically appearing in another location, as all air is connected. This could also explain his bombs. As he can turn his body into air, and since there is an infinite suply of air, he could compress large amounts of air into small "air pockets" that explode over time. This could be compared to a balloon. If you blow into a balloon, it will grow and grow, until it reaches it's limits. POP! But if you start to blow in a balloon, and then hold the sides of it with your hands, the balloon can't xpand, and the air is trapped between your mouth and the balloon, causing it to explode early.

Well, what do you guys think? (Also, sorry for making TWO Kuma threads, I guess I find him interesting enough to be worthy.

AlmostLegendary

that is an interesting theory.

Imitorar

No way. Logia fruits usually have a pun between the name of the element and the name of the fruit. The Paw Paw fruit doesn't seem to. Plus, Kuma said he was a "Paw man" not an "Air man". Also, he can repel anything, not just air, it's just that air is the most practical thing to repel when it comes to fighting, because it's easily available, and powerful, if used properly. And why did he repel attacks, instead of just turning into air and letting the attacks pass through himself? He SAID his power was the invulnerability of his Paws, the air abilities are just a creative usage of the ability to repel things.

Impel Down

It is…not a Logia, actually. Control of air isn't even it's real ability. It just lets him deflect things, so he deflects the air as his main attack.

And he's been physically hit at least three times already, and he didn't turn to air, so that also gets rid of that theory.

Gorlom

@Don:

it obvious that aokiji is stronger cause he will fight with luffy a lot later than this fight now…
later villain is the strongest so far…that means that the villains before aren`t on that strange level like the later villain is.....cause luffy gots development like said before and he will still have hard fights against the newest villains…

cough
Both Enel and Foxy kinda break that rule.

besides we don't even know what will happen in the Kuma fight. He might not even be defeated at this point.

onemoment

@Gorlom:

onemoment. isnt it marine HQ? that would suggest they are infact stronger since you would have to add the vice admirals to the admirals side of the equation…

I wasn't talking about that at all. My point is that I, personally, would prefer not to use the whole "one power vs. one power vs. the other" to compare the these characters, in the same sense that others do. No offense, but the people who bring them up in random topics tend to make pretty pitiful posts. I mean, c'mon, using math to determine fact in a shonen series? I'd rather use what we've seen in the series so far (for example, we've heard that Moria fought and lost to Kaidou), then just wait to see what these guys could do when they appear–but that's just me.

Gorlom

Doesnt my post add to your argument? That the whole "Marine vs warlord vs empreor" becomes even more uncertain if we don't know really who we are supposed to count into the powers.

Admiral Wolfpox

I'm pretty sure Dragon has the air/wind logia fruit, and I'm even more sure that won't be different Devil Fruits for wind and air.

Kuma has the Paw fruit, as evidenced by the constant theme of paws, and the fact that he says it's a paw fruit. I like Kuma as much as the next guy, and I like crazy theories, but they have to have some level of thought behind them.

I know there's a big question about what the Paw Paw fruit entails exactly, but being an air logia? Oda likes to make the Devil Fruits appropriate for their users (or visa versa) and there's just not enough to support an air logia theory.

Impel Down

@Admiral:

I'm pretty sure Dragon has the air/wind logia fruit, and I'm even more sure that won't be different Devil Fruits for wind and air.

He seems to control "storms" in general, because of the lightning bolt that hit Buggy.

Admiral Wolfpox

So I guess Kuma doesn't have the bear fruit (much to my brother's chagrin) but he does still have the bear theme and I'm still crossing my fingers for some sweet, sweet Kuma baldness!

Quick, is there any Japanese pun that can be made from the words "bald" and "paw"?

AlmostLegendary

DF mostly have a second ability.

Admiral Wolfpox

If you can control air, you can control storms. Hence, Nami.

Impel Down

@MonkeyDMalcolm:

DF mostly have a second ability.

No, no they really don't. You get the power that your DF assigns to you.

Now, you can do more than one thing with it, depending on how creative you are, but it doesn't give you multiple powers.

AlmostLegendary

@Impel:

No, no they really don't. You get the power that your DF assigns to you.

Now, you can do more than one thing with it, depending on how creative you are, but it doesn't give you multiple powers.

yea thats what I mean maybe he can do something that lets him teleport

Kaze no Barako

Definitely not. Kuma has showed us absolutely nothing that contributes to the idea of him being a Logia user. Even the name of his fruit alone limits him to either being a Paramecia or a Zoan… and his powers don't look very Zoan-y to me. I like your idea, but it's just not happening.

Until I see him turn into a giant paw or something, I'm convinced that Kuma is a Paramecia user.

Jinbei

No, Aokiji is a logia or in other words Broken as hell. Kuma does not seem to be broken seeing how Zoro with broken bones was able to play tag with him.

Mr. Lucci

I think it's a possiblity. I am still doubting kuma will be brought down in this arc.

Although, I personally think Luffy would be able to give Aokiji a run for his money if they fought again now.

silverson

i brought this up a little while ago. but i dont think its possible. its a paw paw fruit which is not related to air at all. all of the logia names tend to point towards what element they represent.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

He has the PAW PAW fruit…....
END
OF
STORY

Worst theory ever >< Considering we ALREADY KNOW HIS POWR IS PAWS OF DEFLECTION!

game2005

Since he talked about reflecting air at the speed of light, I assume he can bounce everything he touches away at light speed. His teleportation must be involving him touching himself and and then bounce in a direction, and because it's light speed, he pops from here to there in the blink of an eye.

Mr. Lucci

We need to see more of it. It seems to involve manipulating the air pressure with his palms though.

_Bastard_

So far, the best theory is extreme pushing powers. He seems to be compressing air "atoms" together to make the Ursa Shock.

Mr. Lucci

Umm…...no.

Didn't you read the latest chapter?

Seal of Legends

yeah.

No. Definitely not.

bedrock

1. No, it´s clearly not logia … (see above)

2. This whole idea would have fitted wonderfully into the existing thread about Kumas ability ... please don´t clutter up the board like this.

Seal of Legends

Thank you to whoever merged these things.

Now, lets talk about bears.

AlmostLegendary

Kuma the sumo !!!!!!!!!

Gorlom

Hahaha they merged everything into the balding Kuma thread?

Awesome ^^

AD-HD Pirate

Yeah… 'bout Kuma:
Any toughts about his old crew?

Sheep

maybe he killed his old crew after joining the shichibukai. That would fit with his "Tyrant" title.

AD-HD Pirate

maybe he killed his old crew after joining the shichibukai. That would fit with his "Tyrant" title.

Actually pretty good tought.
And I love the nickname "Tyrant".

Gorlom

"old crew" what? How do we know he (if he ever had one) doesn't still have the crew he was with before he became a warlord?

Doflamingo didn't bring his crew to the meeting as far as we know. Kuma wouldn't have done so either. Especially not if he can do something close to teleporting himself there and back again. His stop at TB is probably just on his way back to wherever he was before the meeting (where he left his crew).