Shichibukai Discussion Thread

Gia Sado

I just have a feeling that kuma can move anything he touches at the speed of light. When thrusts his arms forward the air moves at such a rate to where it starts making those paw marks in them from his hands. This also means himself, other people and objects. By thrusting the air around him he can push himself to where ever he want's to at a very fast pace. When he moves somebody else, its in the same manner. By moving the air around them, he carries them to another destination. This seems like an act of teleporting when it really isn't. That is my theory.

If anything, his bible has something to do with it.

Imitorar

@Gia:

I just have a feeling that kuma can move anything he touches at the speed of light. When thrusts his arms forward the air moves at such a rate to where it starts making those paw marks in them from his hands. This also means himself, other people and objects. By thrusting the air around him he can push himself to where ever he want's to at a very fast pace. When he moves somebody else, its in the same manner. By moving the air around them, he carries them to another destination. This seems like an act of teleporting when it really isn't. That is my theory.

If anything, his bible has something to do with it.

That seems to make sense, but it doesn't explain why he needed know where people want to go most in the world, and why needs to write in his Bible. I doubt it's a separate power, it's probably another usage of the Paw Paw fruit. Maybe Kuma can leave Pawmarks in certain areas and then he can send people back to those by touching them with his paws? And he records whether a Pawmark has been used or not in his Bible. That seems to make sense, though it doesn't explain why he's writing in a Bible in the first place.

Gorlom

the paw power was reflection right?

could he send people to a mirror world reflecting their innermost desires or something lame like that?

I'm just expecting there to be some more pun/play on words (or whatever) to his powers then we have seen already.

BetterBetterNoMi

His bible ate a fruit too.

WestPirate

Just read 484.

As far as strength goes, do you thing we've finally met another character with a power level equal of Aokiji, as in other words, an enemy that Luffy and the rest of the Strawhats can't defeat, an enemy that is like, really deadly and stuff.

What do you think? There has been few characters Luffy and Co. couldn't beat, and even fewer that they couldn't lay a finger on. Do you think we'll meet more characters like this?

I do. I think as the series goes on, with the Strawhats making it to the New World and such, they will definitely meet some unbeatable foes. Especaily with the Yonkous out there. If Luffy beat a Yonkou this early on, honestly, I'd be pissed. ;_; I just don't want Oda to give the strawhats that much power that fast.

Discuss.

CaptainCarnoTaurus

Well, I think Luffy could beat Kuma.

I just tought about how good of a finisher would be Luffy snatching that compressed ball of air from Kuma with the help of the others and finish him off with a Bazooka powered by the Ursa Shock. Anyways, I think Luffy's body can stand the pressure, so stoping the Ursa Shock in it's micro form shouldn't be that much of a problem for his rubber hands.

WestPirate

Sorry if there is already a thread like this.

Anyway, with Luffy and Co. having already killed off two Shichibukai (Crocodile, Moria) and now Heading to Fishman island, where a load of people (Including myself) believe he will fight another Shichibukai named Jimbei (Jimbei is part of the Japanese word Jimbei-Zame, which means "Whale Shark" heavily implying that he is a fishman) what is the world government plan to do? I mean there is a 98% chance the Strawhats will escape Kuma, and a 1% chance they'll defeat him, and another 1% chance that some other crazy thing will happen. Assuming they escape Kuma without defeating him him (EXTREMELY likely) and then defeat Jimbei, there will only be five Shichibukai left. Mihawk, Kuma, Doflamingo, Blackbeard, and the unknown Shichibukai. Plus there is the beleif that prior to the end of the series, Luffy will defeat Blackbeard, and Zoro will defeat Mihawk. Leaving only Kuma, Doflamingo, and the unknown Shichibukai.

What do you think the Government will do? Find replacements as always? Invite Luffy to the Shichibukai(he obviously wouldn't accept), or just disban the Shichibukai altogether? What do you think?

Seal of Legends

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Lobster Pot-Sticker

The same thing that happened to their sister tribe, the Akatsuki.

FireFistAce 0

Like this?

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Gorlom

Did you pick up on the fact that the WG wants to keep Moria as a shichibukai?

Sanctum

they will all converge on alabasta to sodomize and decapitate vivi
just for you lps

dirt monkey AL

@Fire Fist:

Like this?

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The sad thing about that pic is that it's already ten times better than what Kishi has.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

@Sanctum:

they will all converge on alabasta to sodomize and decapitate vivi
just for you lps

But… that's the wrong place, because Vivi lives in Arabasta ;D
(*insert gif of LPS back flipping out of window and landing on a get away jet)

Double-Dudes

I suppose that by the rate we get to the point where Zoro would be beating Mihawk, then the WG has likely been already downed by Dragon or something. No WG = no Shichibukai! So, they'd end up being nutty strong outlaws running wild around the world, just that there's no more approval to that by the autorities.

Imitorar

A Shichibukai being equal to one of the Admirals? I'd say that was a given. And before people bring up Crocodile, Luffy was only able to beat him after he figured out his weakness. And he was STILL pretty hard to beat even then. I would say the same goes for Kuma. As to whether he's equal to Aokiji specifically, I can't really judge, since we aren't completely sure how Kuma's powers work yet. (The teleportation issue.) Whereas Aokiji's seem to be pretty straightforward: he's an ice-man.

STAREYe

…We don't even know how strong Kuma is yet. Wait until we see what the results of this Ursa Shock even are.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

Kuma's overrated =/

We've seen him, what… defeat the Strawhats to exhaustion? Ooooooh, I've never seen that one before >_>

Urian

Shichibukai are less powerful than the admirals, this is pure logic since they are controled by the Navy and if you want to control someone…

CodedTech

With the caption after the Ace/Blackbeard fight mentiong it triggering a "great event" in the futre, Shank's talk about a "rampaging age" as he clashes with Whitebeard, Kuma alluding to the balance even being worse off with Blackbeard filling up the empty spot, and not to mention Dragon and his revolutionaries. There's a good possibilty that by the time the Strawhats reach the New World, things would be in enough turmoil (due to forces other than the Strawhats) that keeping the Shichibukai's defeat hidden would be relatively unimportant.

Double-Dudes

@Lobster:

Kuma's overrated =/

Words of wisdom! Words of insight! Words of knowledge! Words of more-such-synonyms!

Kuma seems to just be there at the best possible time, and like many other DF users, chances are he's going to be downgraded quite a bit once we've got a complete picture of what he can actually do with paw-things.

@Urian:

Shichibukai are less powerful than the admirals, this is pure logic since they are controled by the Navy and if you want to control someone…

Doesn't look like control to me if two out of seven showing up on a meeting (one which happens to be the only one who obeys them!), and the biggest shots of WG are actually suprised of so many being there.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

@Double-Dudes:

Words of wisdom! Words of insight! Words of knowledge! Words of more-such-synonyms!

Kuma seems to just be there at the best possible time, and like many other DF users, chances are he's going to be downgraded quite a bit once we've got a complete picture of what he can actually do with paw-things.

Doesn't look like control to me if two out of seven showing up on a meeting (one which happens to be the only one who obeys them!), and the biggest shots of WG are actually suprised of so many being there.

Wait!! No D=

I was being sarcastic. Kuma IS the coolest thing ever. He just has too mant fangirls. That's why he's overrated. :x

Kuma just might be the best villian ever. Crocodile? Enel? Lucci? Kriege?

no

If any of them attacked Kuma, he would just be like "get that weak sh*t out of here" and destroy them in one move. He is overpowered with physical strength and projectile strength. It's like Oda played "create a character mode" on Soul Caliber 3, made a bear with a bible, and turned his stats to "sideways eight". Kuma has no flaws.

Double-Dudes

@Lobster:

Wait!! No D=

I was being sarcastic. Kuma IS the coolest thing ever. He just has too mant fangirls. That's why he's overrated. :x

And here I was almost getting to the point of being fond of you.

DesertSpada

Destroy them in one move, huh?

DesertSpada

@WestPirate:

Sorry if there is already a thread like this.

Anyway, with Luffy and Co. having already killed off two Shichibukai (Crocodile, Moria) and now Heading to Fishman island, where a load of people (Including myself) believe he will fight another Shichibukai named Jimbei (Jimbei is part of the Japanese word Jimbei-Zame, which means "Whale Shark" heavily implying that he is a fishman) what is the world government plan to do? I mean there is a 98% chance the Strawhats will escape Kuma, and a 1% chance they'll defeat him, and another 1% chance that some other crazy thing will happen. Assuming they escape Kuma without defeating him him (EXTREMELY likely) and then defeat Jimbei, there will only be five Shichibukai left. Mihawk, Kuma, Doflamingo, Blackbeard, and the unknown Shichibukai. Plus there is the beleif that prior to the end of the series, Luffy will defeat Blackbeard, and Zoro will defeat Mihawk. Leaving only Kuma, Doflamingo, and the unknown Shichibukai.

What do you think the Government will do? Find replacements as always? Invite Luffy to the Shichibukai(he obviously wouldn't accept), or just disban the Shichibukai altogether? What do you think?

I think you're really twisted here. Since when did kill off two Shichibukai? Crocodile was sent to Impel Down because he had a criminal organization going on. Moria is just knocked out and he's been defeated before(Kaidou).

The only needed to find one replacement and they did. Moria can still be a Shichibukai and no one would know he was defeated. It would serve him best to be one too. They would never let a man who burned the flag of the WG and attack the WG directly be apart of the Shichibukai beecause, come one, not going to happen.

Also, disban the Shichibukai? That's the same as the World Gov. saying "Oh well, lets just not fight pirates anymore!". If they disbanned them then they would be run over by the Yonkou, the Revolutionaries and the other extremely strong pirates out there.

Lobolover

Its possible .

Lobster Pot-Sticker

It's been done.
16 bear crawlers

Impel Down

Notice how Kuma's bounty is lower than Doflamingo's and then get back to me.

rusashi

I thought most people agreed that the bounty of a Shichibukai doesn't matter? They're frozen at random points, who knows how high Kuma's bounty would be if he was still a pirate.

DesertSpada

Bounties however do give you an insight on how strong a person is though, or just how high of a threat the gov. perceives them.

Impel Down

Well, to be fair, wouldn't the same apply to Doflamingo?

But to the whole Kuma/Ao Kiji thing, they both seem to be the main "tools" of the organization they belong to, so it seems like they're both the "face" of the WG/MHQ's power, therefore seem majorly powerful up front, but others behind them in their forces, like other Shichibukai and other Admirals, Vice Admirals, and whatnot are extremely powerful as well, and make up most of the muscle anyway.

OPOIOPP999

@Urian:

Shichibukai are less powerful than the admirals, this is pure logic since they are controled by the Navy and if you want to control someone…

Considering how Mihawk alone is probably stronger than any of the Admirals and we've yet to see a Marine outdo a Warlord aside from maybe Croc I don't know where you get the idea that the Warlords are subservient to the Navy.

Besides I don't think we've ever seen a high ranking Marine boss around a Warlord.

Impel Down

Ao Kiji did say that he was going to defeat Crocodile, didn't he? And Sengoku, who's higher up than an Admiral, bossed around Doflamingo as well, showing the balance of power there.

Also, Mihawk's at like Yonkou level, so there's no definite mold for the Shichibukai to fit.

theinvisibleworm

The only villain thus far, from what we know of Kuma's fruits that has shown an obvious means of defeating the man would be Blackbeard, who would completely own Kuma like he were worthless trash.

I could just imagine it, Blackbeard punching Kuma and Kuma expecting to 'deflect' it.

Urian

I ever believed that in the Shichibukai organization we have two type of Shichibukais, the first type are the nemesis of the Yonkou and until the recent chapters Whitebeard lacked of any direct nemesis until Blackbeard became a Shichibukai.

The list goes like this:

Moria: Nemesis of Kaidou

Mihawk: Nemesis of Shanks

DoFlamingo: I don´t know but he seems to be very powerful perhaps he or the unknow Shichibukai are the direct nemesis of the last Yonkou

Crocodile (former Shichibukai): he was recruited

Jinbei: if Jonny´s story is true then he is recruited

Kuma: Seems to be a recruited pirate and not related to the Yonkou

The unknow one: perhaps recruited or nemesis, we don´t know

Blackbeard: a combination of both types, recruited and direct nemesis of Whitebeard.

The recruited Shichibukai are the ones with lower bounty than the 300 milions being Crocodile the most weak of them and Kuma the most powerful one.

silverson

i dont think kuma could take aokiji.

ice logia > air manipulation

but until we see more of kuma we wont really be able to make a good guess.

Silver R. Bolt

@Double-Dudes:

Doesn't look like control to me if two out of seven showing up on a meeting (one which happens to be the only one who obeys them!), and the biggest shots of WG are actually suprised of so many being there.

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Kuma (Listens)
Mihawk (Has interest in the Pirate crew)
Doflamingo (Got bored)

Devilfruitgrower

I highly doubt Kuma is in par with Aokiji.

I also believe that it won't be just luffy that beats him. I find it doubtful that Luffy gets to fight all the schicibukai. Plus Luffy has a habit of falling asleep for very long periods of time after fighting such a strong enemy.

With both Crocodile, and Lucci, he has a three-day rest period. So I think Kuma's defeat will be a team effort.

Salamander Natsu

we can't really say kuma is on par cause we haven't seen what aokiji can do yet. all we've seen is him play around with luffy, zoro, and i think sanji too

JJpnoi

What exactly does Kuma do with his victims though? He compresses them into nothing? Thats badass! Also if physics were applied, Kuma could be capable of so much! Pressure has many applications.

onemoment

I think the fact that Zoro could fight Kuma without immediately getting put down is a good sign that Aokiji is stronger. Aokiji beat Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji combined when they were in pretty good shape. Currently, Kuma is a shichibukai beating the entire SH crew at a slow pace, and it's not over yet.

So yeah. I'd think all signs point to Aokiji being stronger, unless Kuma shows off new abilities or something.

I'd also wish people would stop bringing up the "admirals vs shichibukai vs. emperors" stuff. Sure, that whole "the three powers equal each other" thing suggests that the shichibukai are weaker as a whole, but that's not a given. right?

Gorlom

onemoment. isnt it marine HQ? that would suggest they are infact stronger since you would have to add the vice admirals to the admirals side of the equation…

Seriously some of the arguments in this thread are completly baseless and makes me wonder if someone handed out pot to all of you when i was asleep.

How about waiting untill we got enough to really compare the strenght between 2 people before posting "x is stronger then y". Some of you seem to be 100% sure your right too, even though you have nothing to back it up with.

As onemoment points out we haven't seen the full strenght of either Kuma or Aokiji.

Mad_Scientist

It's impossible to know yet. I actually think Kuma might be, simply because I have an odd theory that Kuma is actually the strongest pure fighter in the Shichibukai. But who knows when we'll ever find out. Assuming things go the way I think the are, we won't know for a while.

CLERICSHADOW

Luffy can beat anyone with his one SECRET weapon…

PLOT DEVELOPMENT

When he faced Aokiji he just never got the plot development he needed to win...and Aokiji never gave him a second chance...hell Lucci beat Luffy the first time, but Luffy pulled out his secret weapon the all mighty plot development and whooped him!!!

Luffy is knocked out now and he has his plot development tucked in his blanket on the sunny right now so Kuma will defeat him!!! Unless he wakes up and grabs it..

Vegetto2k2

Well, this is all theoretical, and has almost nothing but my form of logic for it. I seem to think we can see how powerful a group or organization is by what they control.. One can perceive that the 'less' you control, the 'less' you have to do, so strength would be somewhat irrelevant if you had your hands overfilled. However the 'more' you control, the more influence you have. From what we have seen:

Marine Headquarters - Marines control the Whole World, however, the main focus of the headquarters is 'The Grand Line', and the Four Blues are almost void due to ignoring them or having their hands full, so we'll say the 'Marines control the whole world, but the [Headquarters] deals with the Grand Line.

Shichibukai - The Shichibukai are Seven Warlords of the Grand Line, speaks for itself. Their influence is needed on the Grand Line to keep order.

The Four Emperors - They are only inhabitants of the latter half of the Grand Line, or The New World.

Going back, I said the 'more' you control, the more influence you have. Thus we knew about the Marines since the beginning of the Manga, but we didn't learn of the Emperors until just before the New World (435ish). However, the Four Emperors obviously have the most power of the three, atleast seperately. The Gorousei are doing all in their power to prevent Red-Hair Shanks and Whitebeard Newgate from meeting because it'll "Disrupt the balance of power". Meaning they are only on par with the Four Emperors (IN THE NEW WORLD) while they are seperate. Its the price they pay for wanting to control the whole world.

So.. Conclusion? Quite simple.. On a power scale, the Shichibukai are not last, however, their numbers conclude that they are inferior to the Marines, however, because of this, their influence on the Grand Line is very helpful to the Government, who wants to control everything. The reason the Four Emperors are leading is because they work alone to fulfill their goals, control is not apart of what they want to do. If they happened to work together (which is incredibly unlikely) the World Government would be in a hell of a pickle.. To be fair though, Wheres the Rebel Army leader Dragon in this equation, his influence is pretty big too.. I just wanna watch the Manga/Anime and see the story progress, Kuma is cool, but seems to be overrated.

Gia Sado

Or he could just be writing in the bible for the heck of it. It was a small panel anyway when it was shown

Admiral Wolfpox

You guys are both New Age spiritualists, so yeah, you're pretty much on the same page. Although I'm sure that like all New Age spiritualists you wouldn't want to be "labelled" because that's not groovy, man. Far out…

It's a feeble, ignorant, off-topic discussion and it should be taken to PM, where it will die, because of course it's nothing more than a philosophical fashion show, void of substance. Both of you are just spouting popular, contemporary quasi-religion rhetoric. It's the same story everywhere.

Let's move along and hopefully get this thread locked.

AlmostLegendary

Kuma is a sumo wrestler look at the stance he takes before he does the 100 hand pressure cannon just like E. Honda 100 hand slap. (street fighter) He can only deflect attacks that his hands touch thats why sanji attack came through clean he didn't get his hands up in time. However he deflected Usopps attack because he had his hands up. Thats my breakdown of his power so far.

I would also like to add that some in order to beat kuma will have to be able to control/ stop the air pressure that he uses as a force. Since his hands move at light speed its easy to assume that the pressure is so strong be hind his hand strikes. In order for zoro to be able to beat Kuma he would have to some how be able to cut air IE shanks and WB when they clashed and the clouds split.

Conan

@Blue-Eyes:

ii.)
I don't think Kuma's "teleportation" has something to do with just speed. If he was able to use some kind of air pressure power to speed himself up, he would have to use air pressure to speed himself down. Think of it, both in an instant… it would get really ugly for bistanders.

In the scene with Perona we just saw her vanish in a "puff". There were no paw marks, there was no little hole in the ground. She just vanished. Before he "teleported" her, he did something with the bible. If he needs the bible for his teleportation, why is he able to teleport later and in the scene with Nami, without using the bible?

His teleportation has to be part of his own powers AND it has to be usable for others!
We know: His powers are to reflect everything with the same force it hits him.

And... he only touched Perona... WITH the back his hand! Nothing else... He didn't reveal his palms at that time, he only showed the back of his hands. He had to use his bare hand...

Something that bugs me here… Is he able to reflect space? That would explain the teleportation, it can't be just air pressure or the bible...

my thoughts dude, why do you repeat it?

Zephos

@Admiral:

You guys are both New Age spiritualists, so yeah, you're pretty much on the same page. Although I'm sure that like all New Age spiritualists you wouldn't want to be "labelled" because that's not groovy, man. Far out…

It's a feeble, ignorant, off-topic discussion and it should be taken to PM, where it will die, because of course it's nothing more than a philosophical fashion show, void of substance. Both of you are just spouting popular, contemporary quasi-religion rhetoric. It's the same story everywhere.

Let's move along and hopefully get this thread locked.

I go to Admiral Wolfpox and his shitty thread history for all my religous philosophy validation.