Zoro and Sanji are now stronger than base Luffy?

Makeemum

Don't get me wrong Luffy is still probably the strongest(Questionable) with
G2/G3 There's no arguement about that

But i believe that Zoro and Sanji are Stronger than his noble Base form
While Luffy was still having some trouble with blueno before going G2
Zoro and Sanji successfully defeated Kaku and Jyabura who even at
their Human form was much stronger than blueno

I think this is what's require to Zoro's and Sanji development as fighters,
I don't thing Luffy is so much stronger than those two that he can beat
them with just his base form, I think Zoro/Sanji > Base Luffy is/would be
good development on oda's part it will show that Zoro/Sanji are really Evolving as
great fighters among luffy.

cp9luchi

you gotta remember base Luffy was holding his with base Lucci who is the strongest cp9 by a landslide

Makeemum

DF Jyabura and Kaku and Base Lucci are very close in power, the Landslide difference is in his Leopard hybrid

If Luffy only received half the beating he did in the anime then you can tell that Lucci wasn't really trying, hardly used a lot of his techniques, even with franky involved it looked like they still wasn't gonna beat him and had to use G2 to have franky get to the door

Buuhan1

Another power thread, aye..

But no, sorry. Don't see it.

pokemaster95

Base luffy did pretty well against Lucci wich is the strongest member in Cp9

Mr. All Sunday

Urgh, what gives people the idea that Luffy had trouble with Blueno?

BlackGalleon1

Well he did…... at Galley-La HQ

TheBobAlote

You can't exactly say Luffy has a base and then extended powers. It's just another technique he uses to get stronger/win the fight. Just like Asura or Jambe is an extent of Zoro and Sanjis power, its all just relative techniques. Base Zoro is no demon aura, and base Sanji is no fire. It's a matter of where you draw the line between 'base' and 'whatever'.

Kingudora

i think theyre around the same before gears

Kefky

The "ichi gorilla and "ni gorilla" thing was just as much of a power-up as the gears. And Zoro could barely keep up with Kaku before he used it.

Jay_n_Silentbob

I agree with Kingudora; they're about around the same (but with Luffy SLIGHTLY stronger).

And as for Sanji and Zoro's devolopment as fighters, I just hope Oda doesn't write a power-up arc for either of them to get stronger (like other shonens would do).

Makeemum

@Kefky:

The "ichi gorilla and "ni gorilla" thing was just as much of a power-up as the gears. And Zoro could barely keep up with Kaku before he used it.

Gear 2 is more of a form than anything else, he's much much faster and his attack power skyrockets and on top his skin turns steaming purple, it more than just a mere move

As for Zoro's Gorilla moves being power-up, it ain't no Gear 2 not even close
we've seen how much help going G2 did for luffy in his battle with Lucci not so much with Gorilla during Zoro vs. Kaku, Now Asura that's a much better comparison to Gears cause once Zoro when Asura he disintegrated Kaku's
strongest attack with one move and defeated him with another

To be honest i think that luffy would need Gear 2 to defeat Jyabura or Kaku, we all would agree that luffy didn't needed G2 to defeat Blueno,
but how close would the match have been? And those two are so much
stronger than Blueno was even in their human forms.

I have lots of reasons to believe that Zoro/Sanji > Base Luffy, i have no
shame believing it either i know that Luffy has a lot more to offer with
Gears but aside form G2/G3 he hasn't learn anything new while Zoro/Sanji
gotten a lot stronger (Well don't know how much zoro improved, but for sanji going from …< Blueno to ....> Jyabura in just W7-Enies is pretty bitchin)

I wanna write more but it's 5:08am here at florida gotta get some rest don't
wanna waste my Day-off

Gorlom

I thought Asura wasnt an attack that increased Zoros strenght but just made it considereably harder to dodge/defend against since there seemed to be 9 swords rather then 3. (also a slight terror factor that could perhaps momentarily make enemies freeze)

zeroxtb

in before shitstorm

cp9luchi

@Gorlom:

I thought Asura wasnt an attack that increased Zoros strenght but just made it considereably harder to dodge/defend against since there seemed to be 9 swords rather then 3. (also a slight terror factor that could perhaps momentarily make enemies freeze)

it is, it was stated in yellow I believe

tony-kun

I still think that everyone on the crew has exactly the same strength as they had at the beginning of the series. They just learned new moves(zoro's techniques, luffy's gears, sanji's fire leg)

So no.

dlo62282

If you are saying that Sanji/Zoro in their current state can beat luffy during his arlong arc or even albasta than I would agree.

It is a little more iffy on the rest, I think Luffy would need to use gear 2 to defeat Sanji or Zoro. But that is my opinion, Sanji's speed is a problem and Zoro sword attacks will be hard to dodge.

This is going to turn into a vs thread tho.

Rai

@TheBobAlote:

You can't exactly say Luffy has a base and then extended powers. It's just another technique he uses to get stronger/win the fight. Just like Asura or Jambe is an extent of Zoro and Sanjis power, its all just relative techniques. Base Zoro is no demon aura, and base Sanji is no fire. It's a matter of where you draw the line between 'base' and 'whatever'.

I thought this pretty much ended the thread… what the hell?

Seriously, what's up with all this bullshit about with/without techniques? It's completely part of their strengh. Leaving alone the fact that discussing such things is ridiculous, at least discuss it right.

Cap'n Carter

Arlong123

@Gorlom:

I thought Asura wasnt an attack that increased Zoros strenght but just made it considereably harder to dodge/defend against since there seemed to be 9 swords rather then 3. (also a slight terror factor that could perhaps momentarily make enemies freeze)

It is. That was stated in one piece yellow.