Alright, my question is about Shanks/Whitebeard/Ace/Blackbeard. Blackbeard kills his nakama and gets the devil's fruit, Shanks fights Blackbeard and gets the scars. Then Shanks (already has the scars) visits luffy's village when Luffy is a child, does that mean Ace is a child too? Since Shanks tries to tell Whitebeard to stop ace, I'm assuming He met Ace in Luffy's town, therefore, he wouldn't be a pirate yet. Even if Ace was a pirate back then, I doubt Whitebeard would be sending some kid off to fight Blackbeard. And when along the line does Ace eat his fruit, before or after he has started chasing Blackbeard? When is Ace appointed Captain of 2nd division? Of course Shanks could have fought Blackbeard before the murder/devil's fruit, but I seriously doubt Shanks would have any trouble with BB without powers. I know that no one really knows all of this because Oda hasnt explained it, but could someone explain a scenario in which it all makes sense?
A question that is bugging me (Order of Events)
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I'm pretty sure Shanks fought Blackbeard and received the scars many years before BB kills his nakama.
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pretty much what tsuuga said…or BB was not even in the crew yet...
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Ok, here goes nothing (this is from memory so expect mistakes).
Shanks at 15 witnessed the execution of Roger and decided to start a crew. At this point in time he did not yet have the scars inflicted by Blackbeard. However, at 26, when he first reaches Luffy's village he is complete with scars and all. This means that at one point over those 11 years, he had his conflict with BB that resulted in the injury. This fight probably happened towards the start of his time as pirate captain, as his Jolly Roger (one of the things pirates have from the start and are unlikely to change) bears the same scars. At Fuchsia village where he set up base, Shanks befriends a young Luffy, (and probably his brother too, though we are not told about this). After a year of at the village, 27 year old Shanks departs leaving a 7 year old Luffy, making Ace who is 3 years older, 10 at the time. We are told that Luffy leaves his village ten years from Shanks’ departure, and Ace 3 years before that.
Over the 7 years between Shanks’ departure and Ace’s, both Luffy and Ace undergo training. Luffy admits that in this time training, even though he had a df and Ace didn’t, he could never beat him, showing that Ace was as strong or stronger than Luffy. In the 3 year head start Ace had over Luffy, he ate the mera-mera no mi and joined up with the WB pirates, rising up to 2nd division commander, not an unbelievable feat when compared to the exploits achieved by the SH in less than a year.
Blackbeard killing his nakama and eating the yami-yami no mi is possibly a recent development. This is derived from two bits of evidence (though not totally convincing). Firstly, since BB’s exit from the WB pirates, he has been trying to make a name for himself and gather fame, though he still appears to be a newbie on the scene. Once again, in comparison to the amount of attention Luffy has received in less than a year, starting with the Arlong incident, it’s not hard to label BB a relative newcomer. Secondly, in his battle with Ace, BB (or one of his crew) mentioned his lack of mastery over his powers, due to them being quite new.
Now, you say that you can’t imagine Shanks having any problem with a non-powered BB. Let me remind you that BB is a D. and owned Saquiss with one hand: the guy is a beast.
Hope this post helps you somewhat.
EDIT: Thanks for the correction Angel
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Shanks said "I got this from one of your crew, Teach…" or whatever it went. So yeah, that implies that he was a member even then. Teach says he has been with the crew for "decades", since a decade is 10 years he seems to have been in the crew at least 10 years (sounds like he is implying at least 20). Teach is... Old whatever the case. 40+
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BG1, Garp had already left Luffy and Ace at the village by the time Shanks arrived. Garp's training was before Shanks arrived. Remember, "No sooner did I take my eyes off you..." and "You were poisoned by..." lines.
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to Angel: hmm I think Garp could still have arrived after Shanks left. Luffy told him that he "always wanted to be a pirate" and so Garp responded that he was "poisoned by Red-Hair's Influence"..
Anyway, back on topic, yeah BlackGalleon1 is most likely correct in his order of events. And it's not surprising that Blackbeard gave Shanks his scar. He was, afterall, relatively young (under 26 yrs old), and Blackbeard was confident of taking WB after receiving his boost in power. So he was probably already powerful even before receiving the Dark powers.
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Shanks DID NOT KNOW that Blackbeard had the Yomi Yomi fruit. No one did, that was a new surprise BB unleashed on Ace. When Shanks went to Whitebeard, he was worried for Ace. Because he thought Blackbeard, WITHOUT a devil fruit, was still strong enough to kill Ac, even though Ace has a fire logia. (And when you consider Shanks and Whitebeard's "spirit" stuff…) Shanks basically said "BB is my equal and he scarred me in a fair fight, Ace has no chance and you shouldn't send him after someone as dangerous as Blackbeard."
So thats the thing. Shanks considered Blackbeard strong enough to kill a logia, with enough ease that he actually worried about Ace who is pretty competant. That Blackbeard has a Devil Fruit now just make him THAT much more dangerous and scary, that wasn't even part of Shank's concern. If Shanks thought Ace would be in trouble against just normal Blackbeard, then Ace really never had a chance against Blackbeard with the devil fruit he hand picked.
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Robbybevard: I thought Shanks was aware that Blackbeard hid himself upon Whitebeards ship untill he had some gained some advantage.
Im pretty sure Shanks suspected Blackbeard was more powerful now then when he was on Whitebeards crew.
Kaizoku Ou: As everyone already mentioned. you got the timeline when Blackbeard killed his crewmate for the DF messed up. That only happened recently and everything else you said happened years ago.
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wait the shanks know that Ace is a Fire logia? Because If he did not know blackbeard had the power of Darkness and thought that blackbeard did not have any powers.So why would shanks be scared that blackbeard the human(because he did not know the power Blackbeard had.)against Ace a Fire logia.
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wait the shanks know that Ace is a Fire logia? Because If he did not know blackbeard had the power of Darkness and thought that blackbeard did not have any powers.So why would shanks be scared that blackbeard the human(because he did not know the power Blackbeard had.)against Ace a Fire logia.
It was already said.. BB is a physical beast. That's he chose a DF that enables him to fight hand-to-hand with Logias, and not give him any power that hurts others.
Okay? Give a piece of Kairouseki to that monster now.
Not saying BB will wipe Ace's ass clean like he did, but he's 100% gonna win, no matter how tough the fight is for both sides.
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Ah, ontopic ontopic. If you're interested in OP Timeline to understand stuff better, check out Greg's site. He has a great timeline chart. -
Where's greg's site?
Anyway, that's kinda true. Shanks probably doesn't know what sort of powers Blackbeard got. However, one thing we know is that Shanks probably estimated that BB must have gained some power, or he wouldn't have moved against WB. That being said, he probably knows Ace's power (he is, afterall, the famed "Hiken no Ace (Ace of the Fire Fist)"), but still feared for him despite knowing the advantages of a Logia.
Speaking of which, if Ace's death could trigger such a massive incident that Shanks was afraid would be brought about, doesn't that mean that Ace is connected to someone really powerful? Maybe one of the Yonkou or Admirals.
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thegrandline.com/optimeline.html if I'm not mistaken.
And btw, how can Ace's death not cause a big incident? Not only WB was proven wrong with his decisions and Shanks proven right [respect stuff], WB also lost one of his strongest men. The WG kept quiet about OP only because the Yonkou altogether were equal to them, and now it can be superior, even by a tiny bit.
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Where's greg's site?
Anyway, that's kinda true. Shanks probably doesn't know what sort of powers Blackbeard got. However, one thing we know is that Shanks probably estimated that BB must have gained some power, or he wouldn't have moved against WB. That being said, he probably knows Ace's power (he is, afterall, the famed "Hiken no Ace (Ace of the Fire Fist)"), but still feared for him despite knowing the advantages of a Logia.
Speaking of which, if Ace's death could trigger such a massive incident that Shanks was afraid would be brought about, doesn't that mean that Ace is connected to someone really powerful? Maybe one of the Yonkou or Admirals.
He's connected to Garp and Dragon right?
Perhaps, distressed over his son's death, Dragon speeds up his revolutionary plans and does some more major stuff. -
@Rai:
thegrandline.com/optimeline.html if I'm not mistaken.
And btw, how can Ace's death not cause a big incident? Not only WB was proven wrong with his decisions and Shanks proven right [respect stuff], WB also lost one of his strongest men. The WG kept quiet about OP only because the Yonkou altogether were equal to them, and now it can be superior, even by a tiny bit.
Then everybody SHOCK and stuff are going on.They're still down 1 Schikibukai so, actually the balance is tipped against them.
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The Shichibukai won't move their ass for them anyways.. so probably they don't take part in the balance but only bring some greens into the box.
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Rai i agree with you that it is very unlikely for the shichibuka to move on a yonkou unless he has personal reasons to do so (Moria and Kaidou if kaidou is a yonkou)
but if the shichibuka dont move on yonkous they got to have another role in keeping the balance. to me that role is to take out other pirates so that the marines doent have to divert forces from the battle with the yonkou to keep other pirates under controll.
Crocodiles bountyhunter network BW took care of alot of pirates iirc now that BW is gone the Marines will have to Defent islands like Alabasta in crocodiles place.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Rai i agree with you that it is very unlikely for the shichibuka to move on a yonkou unless he has personal reasons to do so (Moria and Kaidou if kaidou is a yonkou)
but if the shichibuka dont move on yonkous they got to have another role in keeping the balance. to me that role is to take out other pirates so that the marines doent have to divert forces from the battle with the yonkou to keep other pirates under controll.
Crocodiles bountyhunter network BW took care of alot of pirates iirc now that BW is gone the Marines will have to Defent islands like Alabasta in crocodiles place.
Ah, nice. Forgot about that. Kinda how it worked with Mihawk too.
Except for Mihawk [who kinda too with his meeting with Shanks], all of the Shichibukai were rebelling untill now. It's never gonna hold :\
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@Kitsune::
He's connected to Garp and Dragon right?
Perhaps, distressed over his son's death, Dragon speeds up his revolutionary plans and does some more major stuff.We don't even know if Ae is Dragon's son yet… The different surnames... :blink:
