To whomever this may concern;
After collaboration with fellow forum members and watching the One Piece Collectible thread evolve into a community within itself over the years, a lot of us feel that it'd be a good idea to have a sub-forum that's dedicated to One Piece merchandise and collectibles. All current threads and topics would of course be moved there and we'd need a moderator to protect the community in face of disruptions like scams, disputes, inappropriate behavior, and any other mishaps that arise. This will help the collectible community greatly in keeping things organized and under control. Many of us already have discussed possibilities of confusion or difficulties in making this transition and have come to agree that this move would appear seamless to the end user while adding great and much needed improvements to this developing community. Please consider this and I look forward to further discussion on this matter. Thanks for listening.
Sub-forum for One Piece Collectibles/Merchandise
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I believe this is a good idea. As of right now there are over 53,000 posts in the 6 collectibles threads, this doesn't even count posts in the other threads people have made to discuss collectibles. 53,000 is more than any sub-forum in the creativity section. Along the same line, the current receives an average of roughly 121 posts per day. Also, the general collectibles threads are fairly convoluted with many people trying to discuss a multitude of topics at the same times.
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I agree as well. The one thread is limiting us quite a bit since as it's already been said, multiple topics in one thread.
Would be useful to have Red Flag Sellers, Marketplace, etc. moved into the subforum and have a few topics specifically for online stores and what not with some FAQ and important information so we don't have a lot of spam in one thread with the same old questions about if a store is reliable.
A main concern is we don't seem to have any moderators that are very familiar with the collectibles threads which have become quite a community of their own. Because of that, it's difficult for them to intervene in situations with these people to solve issues between members and especially when there are posters will ill intent in marketplace trying to scam others. There needs to be someone on the lookout and in the loop about what goes on to prevent anyone from getting in trouble.
Another thing that seems to be coming up lately is representatives from these online stores coming here to sway people into shopping with them. One we've had problems with is a terrible American store with very poor business ethics posting here to try reeling us in with false promises. Honestly, it would be good if that could become something we'd be allowed to prevent if we were to get the subforum. Every time I hear of someone buying from stores like this because of these annoying PR people going out into the internet to defame the most reliable sellers in order to cover up their failures, it's saddening. It takes away from the legitimacy and truthfulness of the real facts about these places and that's not the greatest thing for the collectibles community.
With all that being said, +1 to Collectibles subforum.
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As a frequent poster in the threads in question I'd like to express my support for a Collectibles sub-forum. The (unofficial) APforums-dedicated club created at mfc.com (a figurine website) has over 110 people - a modest but sizeable group.
There's no doubt that the sub-forum would continue at a high level of activity for a long while afterwards because pre-orders for figures are constantly being announced on a monthly and yearly basis. As evidenced by how quickly pre-orders are filled nowadays compared to 5 years ago (when the first Collectibles thread was started on APforums!), the OP collectibles community is clearly growing very quickly along with One Piece's fanbase, so the sub-forum won't be going dead anytime soon. (:
We also do a lot of selling and trading with each other so it would be great if we had a mod(s) who is a familiar and active member of the community and is sensitive to the needs of the buyers and sellers. As Xajen mentioned, we've recently had problems with certain dishonest individuals but could not do anything to protect future buyers and community members because the mods, though well-meaning, were not as aware of the situation and the evidence and therefore seemed to side with the perpetrator.
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The thing about One Piece collectibles is that it's so vast. There's so many items which of course means so many fakes. We have many scammers out there that try and pass these off to some of the newer members who don't know that much about fakes or even some of the scammers that other members have dealt with.
This is happening more and more recent, as OP gets more popular and more members are joining this site. I personally would like to see this place remain fun and educational about the items. It's a really friendly forum that likes to help other fans out and it's sad that now it's getting hit more by scammers, spammers and even toy companies trying to make their company look better than it really is.
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I agree with the above comments, and if I may, have my own opinion to contribute.
Our collectibles forum has so many topics going on simultaneously and some aren't even about One Piece but about other series. Everyone has different opinions about what belongs in that one thread but there is no possible way one thread can contain the span of topics that occur there every day. This can cause arguments that go on for pages, however no one has the authority to calm anyone down or stop their spamming. Also there are so many new members coming especially lately and they all ask the same questions, over and over again. Answering is exhausting, but everyone deserves to be educated especially with the amount of fakes and scammers out there. We were all green to collecting at some point, and if we can welcome, educate, and protect those members with a FAQ without constant repetition I feel it will make our community even stronger.
That brings me to my next point, about the marketplace. I feel that many forums have their own selling/trading subforums but we don't even have a collectibles one yet. We need to have someone that's paying attention to trades and keeping track of who is reliable and who is becoming a problem, who is legit and who is selling fakes. Our marketplace is rendered useless by people posting every few hours for the same items with no patience, burying the other members sales and want lists. The "regulars" do their best to keep people in line but it leads to arguments on occasion.
In short, I suppose I wish to say that we need some form of moderator that's been a stand-up and recognizable (as well as respected) pillar of our community as well as a subforum of our own.
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It's great to see a new part of the One Piece community getting so much interest. :)
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For all the reasons above, I agree.
My hope is that things will remain approximately the same. A mod will ensure our safety as well as cohesion, and some new threads might be interesting to have on hand. A FAQ would prevent mindless spam about questions that have been discussed before as well as help new collectors. Maybe we could also move the POP pre-order frenzy to a new thread when it occurs so that we don't have to skip through dozens of pages, possibly missing interesting posts. And the vain attempt to create a thread for non-OP collectibles might have a better chance of survival there.
But, and this is really important, this sub forum shouldn't overgrow in every direction. I like things the way they are, I'm sure you do too, but I think they could be improved a little.Overall, I think that a sub forum would help us grow in good direction.
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i totally agree with all of u..
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I agree with all of you
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Yeah I think it's pretty much all been said so here's another vote of support :P
It's own subforum would be very nice, when the users who started the important sticked threads go inactive, it fuels the repeat questions in the main thread, and it'd be nice to have things like "Share Your Collection" and specific collectible line threads to help not have 1000 topics in a single thread >_> It's very easy for something to get buried then it seem very off-topic if you try to get back on it.
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i would have to agree with all the point mentioned above because I know for a fact I have had to ask where a link or a piece of information was posted because there were too many pages for me to catch up on and it would be very annoying for the people that i ask to see the same question over and over again. also the fact that these guys mention red flag sellers helps a lot and if there was one thread stating all of these in an easy to reach place, it would help a lot of people mainly the new collectors since the older members have saved me from buying from untrustworthy worthy sellers.
I'm happy that i joined this community and would hope that everything stays the same but it is growing and needs a little bit more room for people to roam around and talk to those that are interested in one topic that others might not be, also I do think it would lessen the amount of tiny arguments that pop up that stress some people.
well this is my opinion from someone that's completely new at this.
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I don't know how much merit my opinion even holds, but I also agree with everything that has been said.
I initally joined this forum just for the collectibles threads, and to be honest I still don't read much of anything else. This community played a huge part in setting me off on the right foot, and I am sure other new members would feel the same way. There really isn't any other place in English that deals with One Piece related merchandise at this level, not to my knowledge at least.
I had a bad experience in purchasing things here and had to deal with a great deal of drama. I felt so helpless trying to deal with my loss and with slander that I considered leaving the community. There really isn't any protection here from dishonest people, and all this could have been prevented with something as simple as a mod to ensure people's safety. A lack of moderation will only deter people from joining in. I see a subforum or a mod as a way to improve an already growing community. -
I pledge my support to the subforum. It would be a great idea to have a specific forum dedicated to One Piece collectibles. Another geat idea is to add a Buyer-Seller-Seller subforum within the collectibles where members are free to create and bump their personal sale or trade thread. So pretty much… a lot of you have great ideas above... Vote me in. Thank u.
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Oh yes, everyone having their OWN buy/sell thread (just one per user, not a buy AND sell thread) might make it a bit easier to get your stuff out there. There isn't a ridiculous number of sellers out there, I don't think it would be too messy. You can always bump or update the thread title when you make an update.
I think giving the people to power to have their own thread in a marketplace subforum will cut down on all that frustration of extra chatter that comes from the marketplace thread and people's sale posts being buried because of that chatter… and then of course making a repeat post of the same stuff and just feeding the monster on and on...
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Cause we're here for the Collectibles community? Yes~
Separate buy/sell threads sounds like an interesting idea, though I kind of like the Marketplace thread as is since Enel does a nice job updating. That way it's easier to just Ctrl+F what you're looking for instead of having to look through many separate buy/sell threads to find what you want, heheh. The only problem is that sometimes the Marketplace thread needs some cleaning up by mods when people spam more often than they should instead of PMing the person they'd like to buy from. As Elisabeth said, most of the main threads we have work pretty well already. We just need someone who can do some regular cleaning and moderating for the little things that occur each day. Also a little worried that everyone making their own threads for selling might make things a little messy, and it's early to ask for a sub-sub-forum when we don't have the sub-forum, haha. Maybe we'll get some more opinions on that though o:
An updates sticky would definitely be helpful outside of the main collectibles thread, I have to agree. Lots of updates get lost with the amount of extra posts we get per day in the main thread, heh.
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The collectible community is pretty much it's own little niche.
Oh yeah, if there was a mod checking in on it to clean it up, that would be much easier then multiple threads. Having your own thread is probably more useful if you have an ever changing inventory of stuff.
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Count me in.
As someone who is able to check the forum a few times a day it is fine, but for those who can only get on it once every few, it can be a fast moving and intimidating place.
I agree with this 100%, we would definitely need a mod, and someone who is familiar with the place as it is now and knows what they are on about
@sephirona:The only problem is that sometimes the Marketplace thread needs some cleaning up by mods when people spam more often than they should instead of PMing the person they'd like to buy from
Maybe it would be possible to enable some sort of rating system for sellers. You buy an item of them, you then rate the transaction out of 5, over time the average is worked out and then you can see how reliable a person has been. Just a little thing that could put a few peoples minds at rest.
My one worry is that we would loose the close community aspect that we have build up over the past few years if everything is spread out abit more, but that is certainly a risk we should be willing to take
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I believe having a sub-forum will be useful for the ever-growing community of us all, One Piece fans. More topics can be discussed, other collectibles etc. Yes to having a sub-forum. Thank you! :)
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Maybe it would be possible to enable some sort of rating system for sellers. You buy an item of them, you then rate the transaction out of 5, over time the average is worked out and then you can see how reliable a person has been. Just a little thing that could put a few peoples minds at rest.
My one worry is that we would loose the close community aspect that we have build up over the past few years if everything is spread out abit more, but that is certainly a risk we should be willing to take
That's a pretty cool idea, yeah! Though if there's no such function available we could also just have a post similar to or within the Red-Flag sellers thread but updated instead with names of reliable proxies and forum members. Each time someone has a successful transaction, their list would be updated with the name of the satisfied buyer/seller along with a rating out of 5, maybe?
I don't actually know if there's a function to move posts around within a thread here though, I just remember it worked that way at a different forum I was in. Still, having the freedom and the room to organize would help immensely. And I'm pretty sure we'll still be keeping the main Collectibles thread around (; We also have an IRC to keep in touch with.
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I don't frequent the Collectibles threads (I'm too poor to start an OP collection outside of DVDs and manga), but I can get behind this. =)
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I approve of this. I use to be big in the collectibles thread, but I've kinda had a falling out, largely due to just how expensive a hobby it is, and how ultimately I stopped caring about these $50-$70 statues taking up space in my bedroom. But as someone who was there at the time it truly is a MASSIVE circle within the OP community. If anything, I feel it deserves it entire own forum as for me the One Piece franchise is split into 3 categories: Manga, Anime, and Merchandise.
A sub-forum is the LEAST that AP can do.
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If it was a sub-forum for Collectibles. Which means we can have topics for the likes of Dragonball Z, Doctor Who instead of cluttering the OP one (I tried to make a topic but it was ignored so I gave up.) then yes it's a great idea.
I'd love to see a topic for the reviews etc. however. Even if it's just a general one
The thing I'm not sure about however is the fact that people who are collecting seriously will be spamming each of the topics at the same time. For example: I get a parcel with POPs, WCF and FCs. I then take pics and post to all 3
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It doesn't have to be that literal. A "here's my collection" picture spam thread would be great for sharing new haul pictures, and we'd still have general discussion. That was just a suggestion as a way for larger discussions to have their own forum. And for things to not get lost when the general discussion turns into chit chat. If something warrants it's own thread, it can have it's own thread. If it doesn't, then it stays in general discussion. But right now, there really isn't the freedom to do that because it'd spam up the General One Piece forum.
^Also as he suggested in the thread, being able to have an Off-Topic collectible thread would be super great for sharing and discussing things like DBZ and Doctor Who stuff that gets posted a lot, but isn't on the topic of One Piece.
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i'm not part of the collectible comunity, but this sounds good. you should all deligate someone to pm and talk to someone about setting that up. (not sure who would be best) @_@a
is there someone who is very active in this section, who is of sound mind, and others look up to? If you guys can come up with a good representative for this section, and inform the staff, they can look into making them a sub mod. but they're not just gonna give that power to anybody. Like, I'm a nice person, but half the people at AP think I'm lame. If I was a mod, they probably wouldn't listen to me.
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I'd say Alina, but I haven't heard her chime in yet on anything so it's up to her XD I'd also nominate sensui.
There are quiiiiiite a few extremely active people in this subforum >_>
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I'd put my vote down for sensui.
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It doesn't have to be that literal. A "here's my collection" picture spam thread would be great for sharing new haul pictures, and we'd still have general discussion. That was just a suggestion as a way for larger discussions to have their own forum. And for things to not get lost when the general discussion turns into chit chat. If something warrants it's own thread, it can have it's own thread. If it doesn't, then it stays in general discussion. But right now, there really isn't the freedom to do that because it'd spam up the General One Piece forum.
^Also as he suggested in the thread, being able to have an Off-Topic collectible thread would be super great for sharing and discussing things like DBZ and Doctor Who stuff that gets posted a lot, but isn't on the topic of One Piece.
Oh yeah, to be honest we were discussing that together too, I'm surprised we forgot to mention it heh xD. We'd have stickied One Piece collectibles threads but of course we'd have room for other threads. I know many of the people on the OP collectibles thread also like Sideshow Collectible statues and Dragon Ball merchandise, to name just two. And I'm a fan of Doctor Who as well.
We also agreed that we'd rather not split the main One Piece Collectibles thread into too many smaller factions, so that shouldn't be a problem. Don't want to fix what isn't broken, heh.
Thanks for your input, Captain Usopp! We do actually have a great guy in mind already (; (SENSUI, we're looking at YOUUU.)
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I'd say Sensui over everyone. He collects tons of figures, ordered from tons of auction sites and from the internet shops.
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The suggestion has been noted. Take a bit of restructuring and work to get it set up, but its not a bad idea. We'll see about getting that set up once some of the specifics are worked out by the staff and an admin has the time to actually do it.
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I'd say Sensui over everyone. He collects tons of figures, ordered from tons of auction sites and from the internet shops.
Not to mention he's probably one of the fairest and most mature out of all of us. (:
Also, gotta keep tabs on that 'Post Your Collections!' idea you got there Arei, that's actually a fantasticly awesome idea. I've always hated having to scroll through all 6 of our old collectibles threads just to see old photos of everyone's stuff. @_@
[edit] Oh wow, late post. Thanks for considering!
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Thanks Robby :)
Yeah, I think photos really need their own thread :/ (as in collection sharing stuff). We're all curious, we'll all check it and discuss it in that thread too, it'll just help the general thread stay more organized with discussion.
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Sounds like a plan, I do refer to Dragon Ball Collectable stuff sometimes in the thread, so expanding it makes sense.
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I suggested the exactly same idea to Brennen a day ago.
Looks like we'll be getting our section now, so hooray! -
As robby said, we want to help you guys out, and we intend to. But…
@Elisabeth:
A mod will ensure our safety as well as cohesion
AP won't do anything that would make the site liable for any of these transactions, so we won't "ensure" anything. People still need to realize that whatever happens at the end of the day, all transactions, good or bad, are still their own responsibility. We'll do what we can to help, but there are limits.
Other than that, just be patient I suppose. We're moving forward regarding this topic, but it could take some time.
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As robby said, we want to help you guys out, and we intend to. But…
AP won't do anything that would make the site liable for any of these transactions, so we won't "ensure" anything. People still need to realize that whatever happens at the end of the day, all transactions, good or bad, are still their own responsibility. We'll do what we can to help, but there are limits.
Other than that, just be patient I suppose. We're moving forward regarding this topic, but it could take some time.
We understand that. Just write the standard disclaimer to remove all liability and the moderator from our group can take care of at least trying to prevent anything from happening.
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The main point of this all is that we ask to make the section for registered members only. Lurkers eat away "our" links to each other when it comes to pre-orders that are gone in seconds.
I have a good plan on how to orginise the whole section if you need my help.
If anything we're on the messenger with Brennen. -
I like the way Doctor Who Forum has their Toy and Merch section. With topics for customs, a release diary, toys found-located, bargains etc. Although that could be going overboard.
Alina would be a nice choice for mod for it since she updates the main topic. Sensui would be good too since I think he did it prior? Can we not have both? XD
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Plan:
- News - closed topic where only mod(s) (newsmakers) can post
- News Discussion- has the first post with all upcoming releases, people talk about new announcments
- General Discussion - people talk about their new items, post picture & the like
- Collections - People post picture of theirs
- Questions & Suggestions - speaks for itself
- Non-OP Merchandise - People talk about anything that is not OP
That is how I'd do it.
You can also add up a thread for order links.
Of course there's 2 old ones like- Marketplace
- Red-Flag sellers
I'd suggested we made Marketplace & Marketplace discussion
As for the mods - there are 3 people who bring the news most of the time - RedDragon, Sensui & Redon. And well, there's also me who updates the first post… I wouldn't mind if all 4 got to be moderators of this section and have access to news post, would seem fair.
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Urouge, I know AP can't protect us. We'll always have to remain on our guard while dealing on the forum and not blindly trust any seller. But with the tools given to a mod, some scammers might be detected and red-flagged in time.
Here is a list of the threads that I think would be interesting to find in that sub-forum. A release diary topic, locked, to get all the info in one place, while keeping the discussions on the main thread.
General discussion thread. Like I said, I really don't want the main thread to be split. Especially not into different lines/companies. I want to see all the OP merch in one place because I'm interested in seeing all of them and I know I'm not the only one. Also, I'm not sure the collection should be separated from this since it is linked.
I've been thinking and discussing and I came to the conclusion that we could have a pre-order thread.
That way people can cry and scream all they want about getting them or not without spamming the main thread. Furthermore, some "less important" pre-orders won't be lost in the natural flow of the main thread.A thread for non OP merch. I thought it could be split in two (anime & manga / TV shows…) but it doesn't have to.
Maybe a thread for customization ? The AmeColle painting, the original figures some of us do, some tutorials even?
Of course the Market Place. But we need something to work that out. Bumping doesn't work. Updating the first post is too much work… I have no idea how to improve that.
A stickied FAQ to help the newcomers.
The "where to buy merch" thread and the red-flagged sellers one too.
I agree on choosing Sensui as our mod and I don't think we should ask for more for now.
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@Al!naJames:
As for the mods - there are 3 people who bring the news most of the time - RedDragon, Sensui & Redon. And well, there's also me who updates the first post… I wouldn't mind if all 4 got to be moderators of this section and have access to news post, would seem fair.
it's not about being the most informative, it's about being the best babysitter, to put it bluntly. I'm sure it's not always fun either, as you gotta deal with whining and bad behavior, and always gotta be good, cause your the one in charge. Being active is a good thing though. I don't know these 3 people you mentioned, but You'd be a good choice Alina. :) and it seems your eager to work on this already.
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Sensui was my choice not because of his collection, but because he cares. I think he is mature enough without being a judgmental pain in the ass and I'm sure he'll be a good listener and won't use his "powers" on a whim.
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count me in as support for the collectibles sub-forum. :)
I really really think that just one collectibles thread is just not enough anymore. our little community has grown quite a bit and I think we do need a bit of structure. as an example, our collectibles thread v. 4 has started in april 2010 and reached post #9952 after only 3 months. the same has happened with the collectibles thread v. 5 and I am sure v. 6 will count more than 9000 posts at the end of february (it already counts 8685 posts). seeing this, it is clear that this part of the one piece community has a lot to say.
as many before me have already mentioned, there is a lot of information to give members who are new in the area of collectibles, however right now we don't really have a chance to give them a FAQ. seriously, no new user views the first post of a thread with more than 400 pages. so a sub-forum would help organizing things like this a lot better. the red-flag sellers thread could find a new home there too. I'd personally like a thread for online stores where people have the chance to give their experiences with them. It is hard to look through 400 pages hoping that somewhere the shop you plan to buy from is mentioned. if you decide to ask in the actual thread chances are that your question wont be recognised or burried under hundreds of posts which occur once a new POP is announced or preorders go up.
I also really liked coopz idea of rating forum sellers from the marketplace thread. this would help others a lot seeing as many buyers don't really tell the community if something didn't went right.
EDIT: great .. T_T it's already decided .. please somebody tell me that my post wasn't for nothing .. T^T
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I'm putting my full support behind this.
Before when the forum was smaller, it was understandable to put all the collectable discussion in one thread. However, with the rapid production of various P.O.P figures, DX figures, Apparel and other random crap merchandise there needs to be another way for members to vent/brag about their collections.
With a sub-forum it'll be easier to navigate through. Just saying.
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Elisabeth, I like your idea for the customization section (I'd really love one because I'm into that) and I feel more people would become interested if told how? I would be willing to make tutorials and educate people on that front. It's always fun to see what people can do when they learn that it's possible!
Maybe an 'authenticate this' section as well where people can post questionable figures for us to verify before they buy… or, after -_-;;. Definitely put in the FAQ our lingo as well (SW POP DX NEO CB Mild GLM GLC IK HS SE MBH WCF SDX SHQ etc). We practically speak another language.
As for mods, my main vote is for Sensui. He's always been level headed, doesn't throw oil on flames and everyone seems to like and respect him (also he is here 24/7 and is a hard worker). Additionally he is not the kind to abuse power or seek it, and is patient to both sides of an argument. Lastly, he's the one that started this suggestion thread fighting for our own piece of the pie.
@ Chucklepants Fallupface : aww you should! I can send you an extra WCF and then we'll see how you like it XD
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I really like the idea of having sub forum.
For mods, i'll vote Maggie and Sensui. They always been great, calm, and neutral.
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my vote would also go to sensui. he's always there and knows what he's talking about. I also can't remember any situation where he didn't act fair. ^.^ I think he'd be the best to fill that spot. however I think the whole collectibles community should be able to have a say.
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AP won't do anything that would make the site liable for any of these transactions, so we won't "ensure" anything. People still need to realize that whatever happens at the end of the day, all transactions, good or bad, are still their own responsibility. We'll do what we can to help, but there are limits.
Other than that, just be patient I suppose. We're moving forward regarding this topic, but it could take some time.
Yeah, none of us were trying to imply that AP would be responsible in any way for our dealings with each other. What we meant was that a more personalized mod who pays more attention to our community would facilitate member safety - they'd help us keep things in check and hopefully help chase off the dishonest individuals still posting on the threads right now, heh. One of the problems we had recently was that - through no fault of their own at all, our thread is simply too big to keep up with - some mods made judgments for our whole community without knowing the complete story behind the situation.
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I agree that maggie would also be a great mod! For now I don't think we should be too greedy though, haha. Sensui has never been one to start arguments or pick fights over small things, and that's one of the things that would make him impartial during other peoples' arguments and, overall, a fair and level-headed mod. Maybe later on we'll ask how the workload is going and if sensui prefers some help, we can ask if we can elect someone else as well.
I agree with maggie, a customization section would be great. I've never been able to do anything to touch up my own figures, and both maggie and elisabeth are pros at it so that would rock. ;D
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I am quite new on the forums but love this plan. I honestly come here the most often because of merchandise talk. It's a different hobby within the fan community and it has grown beyond my own belief.
I think Alinka has made a really nice set up, stickies for the general talk, different topics for people their own collections and the market section. Aside from that obviously the "offtopic" in non OP merchandise.
Sounds like a plan you guys, if there is anything I can do to help just give a shout out ;).