^lol that is harsh dude, really harsh. But anyway after Brook joins we gonna get a new member at fishman island and then 10 crewmembers for the later half of the GL.
Chapter 459 "Cannot Call, So Sorry for Dying" Discussion
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Dont even mention Naruto here. It doesnt deserve to be mentioned in a OP forum. I dare anyone to show me a manga that looks worse than naruto does right now both artwise and storywise.
Agreed. I've seen worse manga,but never a manga start out well, be a huge hit and then have such a massive plunge from quality at the height of it's popularity like that. Naruto is the Star Wars of manga.
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Dont even mention Naruto here. It doesnt deserve to be mentioned in a OP forum. I dare anyone to show me a manga that looks worse than naruto does right now both artwise and storywise.
I dont even really care about it much and its been pretty crappy since after the first few arcs. Its just something thats massively popular for some stupid reason and the same genre/type of series as One Piece. One Piece is infinitely better though.
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scryed sucks, it's 100 times worse then naruto.
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Let's try not to get too off topic here. It'll start of at Naruto, and eventually we'll be right back at how gravity works.
On the subject of Brooke going straight to Laboon, rather that joining the crew, my opinion is that there may actually be a larger chance of afro-survival when traveling the New World with a group like the Straw Hats, as opposed to traveling the first half backwards, when your only form of transportation is running across the ocean.
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I dare anyone to show me a manga that looks worse than naruto does right now both artwise and storywise.
Take a gander at half the stuff that collects at the bottom of the Jump ToC, why doncha.
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Oh NOZE, OP must be teh avenged.
Oh and Inuyasha would be what you're looking for.
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Ok so there are mangas worse than naruto but nothing thats that bad getting that much attention and popularity. Its ridiculous the amount of popularity its gathering.
To get back on track, I give Brookes a 50% chance to join the SH. Ill list the pros and cons.
Pros
He fulfills the last ship "need", a musician
the entire crew obviously loves him
he needs to get back to laboonCons
no flashback as of yet and i can't see how he would get one seeing as how we already know his past already -
no flashback as of yet and i can't see how he would get one seeing as how we already know his past already
Why do we need the story of Brooke's tragic childhood right now?
We didn't get Robin's until Enies Lobby, a few arcs after she joined.
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Cons
no flashback as of yet and i can't see how he would get one seeing as how we already know his past alreadyWell it depends what you count as a flash back or not. There has been a pretty good amount of flash back segments (as shown in the shaded border) but nothing full blow like the other memebers.
Proud supporter of Brook for Straw Hat Musician.
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no flashback as of yet and i can't see how he would get one seeing as how we already know his past already
We "knew" Robin's past for quite some time before she got a flashback. Also, info from the flashback proved what we knew then to be false While that's not TOO likely to happen here, there's still possible details to get into. Did Brook's crew try to run away from the Grand Line, as Crocus claimed, and change their minds? Was that wrong from the start?
Is there any possible connection to Roger? If so, probably not too strong, or Brook could've gone with Roger. But they could've seen one another in passing, possibly. And nearly every One Piece character age 50 and up seems to give new Roger details.
Are the pirates that killed Brook's crew still out there in some form? Might not be likely, with a 50 year old crew, but then look at Whitebeard.
There is also potential for Brook's younger days giving him some musician dream that prompted him to go to the Grand Line in the first place.
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Yeah, I can't see how lack of a long in depth flashback makes brooke 50% less likely to join.
He has had multiple small flashbacks:
-The death of the friend in the striped shirt with whom he left Thriller Bark.
-Seeing the dancer lose his shadow.
-Learning about salt and causing a ruckus on TB.
-Fighting ryuma the first time and getting his skull broken in.
-Playing with laboon and leaving him behind.He's easily had more personal flashbacks than any other non-strawhat character in the entire series.
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Ok so there are mangas worse than naruto but nothing thats that bad getting that much attention and popularity. Its ridiculous the amount of popularity its gathering.
Have you ever heard of Bleach? It's been worse than Naruto from the beginning because it lacks any sort of originality whatsoever. It's basically Yuyu Hakusho 2 with the soul ripped out. The truth is most shounen stuff is pretty repetitive and crappy. But occasionally there are gems like OP and Slam Dunk that completely redeem the genre.
Zoro's flashbacks lasted about two pages. Brookes were thrown in during his fight and we'll almost definitely get a few more before the chapter ends. Now that he has a dream, it'l probably specifically to play Laboon's favorite song to him one more time or something, he's almost defintetly the crew's new musician.
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
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@Ao:
Have you ever heard of Bleach? It's been worse than Naruto from the beginning because it lacks any sort of originality whatsoever. It's basically Yuyu Hakusho 2 with the soul ripped out.
Finally, somebody else who realizes this.
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Yeah, I can't see how lack of a long in depth flashback makes brooke 50% less likely to join.
He has had multiple small flashbacks:
-The death of the friend in the striped shirt with whom he left Thriller Bark.
-Seeing the dancer lose his shadow.
-Learning about salt and causing a ruckus on TB.
-Fighting ryuma the first time and getting his skull broken in.
-Playing with laboon and leaving him behind.He's easily had more personal flashbacks than any other non-strawhat character in the entire series.
Perhaps. But it just seems that those are too small of a flashback for him to join. I still think he needs one more BIG flashback. Although maybe the 50-50 is a bit of a stretch. Ill bump it up to 70-30.
Btw i dunno how anyone can say Bleach is worse than Naruto. I dont give a dam about originality. If it was based on that FLCL would be the king of all manga. If the STORY is good then they can use whatever overused setting they want.
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…. Bleach has a story??? no seriously? all it seems to do is the baisic plot of the Supermario games. go rescue the damsel in distress...
its not a manga its a video game.
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Why people say Bleach is worse than Naruto you ask? I don't know as I'm not caught up, but apparently it almost completely lacks a story (atleast Naruto has one). But like I said, I'm only following the Bleach dub.
Why is that Naruto/Bleach somehow manages to be randomly dragged into convo's for no apparent reason at all? (Could've sworn this was a OP thread.)Anyways, not really liking the battle between Brooke and Ryuuma so far. Kinda boring, but the Laboon revelation is easily the best part about this chapter. Love how Oda foreshadows and plans these things well in advance. That's definitely his bread and butter.
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rofl! This is my favorite thread in the history of this forum,because I bashed Bleach and instead of a million fanboys bashing me into the dust for pointing out valid series flaws, people agreed. XD
Way before the Bleach hype started, when the anime first started airing in Japan(literally a week or two after it started) I gave this series a chance. I stuck with it, gave up. Then once it became the new_naruto I gave it another shot and stuck with it for 70+ episodes. And through the majority of I was bored and more excited about watching the catchy opening and ending songs.
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I kinda like the art style of the manga,but that too kinda lacks alot of originality. How can the story of Bleach be good if it's completely unoriginal? Part of a good story IS originality.Btw i dunno how anyone can say Bleach is worse than Naruto. I dont give a dam about originality. If it was based on that FLCL would be the king of all manga. If the STORY is good then they can use whatever overused setting they want.
No, it'd still be OP. FLCL is the weirdo, OVA-blender version of eva. If ur ripping off ur own series, it still doesn't count as original.
Finally, somebody else who realizes this.
When Kubo-sensei first sent in Bleach to the Shounen Jump offices for a contest or submissions or whatever, they rejected it. They literally said "It's too much like Yuyu Hakusho." Then he resubmitted later and they picked it up. I wonder if he changed story elements, his art style, or the SJ guys just thought they could get it away with it since more time had passed since the original run of yuyu hakusho ended a longer time ago than the first time they saw the entry.
Anyways, not really liking the battle between Brooke and Ryuuma so far. Kinda boring, but the Laboon revelation is easily the best part about this chapter. Love how Oda foreshadows and plans these things well in advance. That's definitely his bread and butter.
I seriously doubt he planned it. If he did, it probably wasn't much more than "the strawhats will eventually run into this whale's nakama somewhere in the grandline." But even that is a stretch. The trick to something like this is to just go back and look for possible connections to create from older storylines. Just like with Sogeking running into the giants at Enies Lobby. I doubt he planned that either.
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Yea Bleach has a story, maybe not as great as OP's but its still a story. It has betrayals, twists, and characters i actually give a dam about unlike naruto. I dont wanna go too deep into bleach cuz that would be getting too far off topic (which we already are). I aint sayin Bleach is great but at least it has a few laughs and memorable fights unlike the crap Naruto continuously puts out.
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@Ao Kiji: You're probably right tho. It is kind of a stretch to foreshadow that far back. Oda probably just winged it. He has a nack for pulling shit out his ass and somehow making it work too. Don't know how Oda does it.
I find it funny that people bash Naruto for it's story all the time, yet praise Bleach for its lack therof (or so I've heard). Odd, eh?
But again, let's not further degrade the manga section by randomly bashing the rival of our favorite manga to make ourselves feel better. If OP is as interesting as we believe, we should have more than enough to talk about without getting distracted.
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…. Bleach has a story??? no seriously? all it seems to do is the baisic plot of the Supermario games. go rescue the damsel in distress...
Except Bleach's plot (admittedly a simple and fairly cliched one) is well planned and paced, has amazing character designs and even better fights. Compared to Naruto, which you know, has a complicated plot that's ruined with bad pacing and terrible random plot twists.
To have something in this post related to One Piece, Oda's attention for detail is amazing, and I wonder if he had Brooke planned when he wrote the Laboon arc (I doubt it, but it's a nice thing to think about).
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@Mr.:
Except Bleach's plot (admittedly a simple and fairly cliched one) is well planned and paced, has amazing character designs and even better fights. Compared to Naruto, which you know, has a complicated plot that's ruined with bad pacing and terrible random plot twists.
To have something in this post related to One Piece, Oda's attention for detail is amazing, and I wonder if he had Brooke planned when he wrote the Laboon arc (I doubt it, but it's a nice thing to think about).
Yea what he said. lol. I like how Mr. All sunday was able to say exactly what i was trying to say in two sentences whereas i took three+ posts. Good job.
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Guys, can we keep the topic on One Piece in here? If you want to talk about other manga, there's a whole section in the forum for that.
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Yea sorry, its just one thing led to another…
But one problem i have with Brookes joining is that hes a swordsman and the SH already have that. Im not saying its proof that hes not gonna join but itll be the first time a new member will have the same basic fighting style as another member. Kinda takes away the uniqueness of the crewmates.
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Brook's and Zoro's styles seem sufficiently different to my eyes. as others have said, it's more fencing compared to Zoro's sword-brawling. Plus Brook could, like Nami, Usopp, Chopper, and (arguably) Robin, become a second-string fighter. Fully capable of pulling his own when needed, otherwise leaving it to the heavy hitters. That would render his fighting style more or less moot, as it wouldn't appear frequently enough for it to become an issue.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Brook's and Zoro's styles seem sufficiently different to my eyes. as others have said, it's more fencing compared to Zoro's sword-brawling. Plus Brook could, like Nami, Usopp, Chopper, and (arguably) Robin, become a second-string fighter. Fully capable of pulling his own when needed, otherwise leaving it to the heavy hitters. That would render his fighting style more or less moot, as it wouldn't appear frequently enough for it to become an issue.
Don't you dare put Robin with the weak trio. She's not one of the people running away and crapping herself when shit goes down. She fights back. Then again, so does Usopp, but Robin doesn't get scared to begin with. Robin's bounty is higher than Sanji's, still, making her the third most wanted Strawhat. Which makes me wonder… why wasn't Moria after Robin?
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because he knows what she did to spandam and he is afraid of her
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Who gets the sword? Zorro or Brooke?
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Because Robin's power is based around her Devil Fruit - which her shadow-zombie wouldn't possess.
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Because Robin's power is based around her Devil Fruit - which her shadow-zombie wouldn't possess.
Guh, I should slap myself on the head for not thinking about that.
But wait, how would Moria know that? He'd just see the bounty and assume she was dangerous… Unless Moria actually did some research into these people (which he didn't, as he's lazy as hell), he wouldn't know how or under what circumstances she achieved her bounty.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Guh, I should slap myself on the head for not thinking about that.
But wait, how would Moria know that? He'd just see the bounty and assume she was dangerous… Unless Moria actually did some research into these people (which he didn't, as he's lazy as hell), he wouldn't know how or under what circumstances she achieved her bounty.
Suppose he had someone else do it for him.
I'm not sure wether someone already mentioned it, but since the flower-head guy at the lighthouse apparently knew Brook's crew… And then said something about Gol D. Roger. So, could they be of the same crew?
Ahh, nevermind. Then again Brook's crew got killed already by the Florian Triangle, so that's not it. I guess. ><
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Suppose he had someone else do it for him.
I'm not sure wether someone already mentioned it, but since the flower-head guy at the lighthouse apparently knew Brook's crew… And then said something about Gol D. Roger. So, could they be of the same crew?
Ahh, nevermind. Then again Brook's crew got killed already by the Florian Triangle, so that's not it. I guess. ><
No, Brooke's crew, according to the Red Book, was Lumba (or Rumba or any variation) Kaizoku-dan. Crocus was speaking in general to Roger's spirit when Luffy left.
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@Ao:
Zoro's flashbacks lasted about two pages. Brookes were thrown in during his fight and we'll almost definitely get a few more before the chapter ends. Now that he has a dream, it'l probably specifically to play Laboon's favorite song to him one more time or something, he's almost defintetly the crew's new musician.
I'm in agreement with sgamer82, boiga and Ao Kiji on this. Quantity doesn't always indicate liklihood of joining. Look how big the snake's flashbacks about Norland were (in Skypiea) – and the snake didn't get to join the Mugiwara. (Though I'm sure boiga would have loved that if it did)
And look at Vivi's flashbacks -- several pages long, much longer than Zoro's -- and while she did become an honorary/symbolic crew-member, she didn't step on board the ship and continue adventuring with the crew. So it can't be said that there's a sliding scale, and that if your flashbacks are only this big, you become honorary, but THIS BIG, you become crew-mate.
There's also the possibility that we haven't seen all of Brook's flashbacks yet. As someone mentioned before, Robin's flashbacks didn't occur until long after she'd been on board the ship with the Mugiwara. If flashbacks had to occur the minute that the new crewmate stepped on board Merry, we would have have seen Robin's traumatic-childhood-epic in Jaya instead of Enies Lobby, where it wouldn't have been nearly as effective as it was when framed by the events of W7 and EL. She wasn't technically part of the crew until Enies Lobby, but she was certainly acting like a crew-member in Skypiea (helping with the food and the treasure hunting, "carryng" Zoro and Choppy to safety, etc.)
We're seeing something similar with Brook. He may not be an official Mugiwara yet, but he's been helping them for a while now -- telling them initially how to escape from Thriller Bark, and then helping them fight when they were unable to escape.
So there are two possibilities: he'll either join them for good down the Line, or else he'll join them temporarily like Vivi did, and leave them when they reach Laboon (or maybe Laboon will become the last crew-mate?)
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First of all, who says Moria isn't after Robin? He is after ALL of the SHs, including Robin.
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@Fire Fist:
Then again, so does Usopp, but Robin doesn't get scared to begin with.
Too bad that doesn't amount to anything. S'long as you accomplish your goal, it doesn't matter how fuckin' terrified you are.
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People, I'm gonna say this again: DO NOT SAY BROOKE IS A SWORDSMAN, DAMMIT.
He only had one named attack, which was the same as the delayed and unexplained attack by Ryuuma.
Unexplained.
I speculated Brooke's attacks are based on sound, but whatever it is, it's definitely not swordsmanship. There are tricks here, it's a different style.Also, I don't think Brooke's dream is meeting Laboon. I say Oda splitted Brooke's dream to: Reason to join the SHs, and reason to sail down the GL.
Because Laboon only covers the later, as Brooke can sail back using Eternal Poses instead of risking losing his life on a way that is considered to be purely impossible to complete.First of all, who says Moria isn't after Robin? He is after ALL of the SHs, including Robin.
Exactly what I wanted to say.
I know by one translation it was said he's only after the Big 3, but by Stephen [already cleared] it something completely different. -
On a side note, I like how Luffy recognised Zoro's zombie to be his by his "wooden shoes". lol any average person would have named his swordstyles and words. "shoes"?!?! lol that's so typical of Luffy.
Anyway Brook will definitely join. Luffy already said so. And there's no changing Luffy's mind about matters such as these ( unless brook suddenly becomes evil or sth)
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@Rai:
I speculated Brooke's attacks are based on sound, but whatever it is, it's definitely not swordsmanship. There are tricks here, it's a different style.
I hope they are based on his new (since he's dead) speed and lightness
It must be easy for him to do Soru to stay and move in the air, no ? (instead of falling
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@ Archtyrant
He wanted Kureha to join also. Xp
Anyway, yeah, I'm certain Brook's gonna join also.
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@Fire Fist:
Guh, I should slap myself on the head for not thinking about that.
But wait, how would Moria know that? He'd just see the bounty and assume she was dangerous… Unless Moria actually did some research into these people (which he didn't, as he's lazy as hell), he wouldn't know how or under what circumstances she achieved her bounty.
He probably knows that most of her bounty is due to her being Ohara born. He does have a connection with the WG after all, and she is very dangerous to them.
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I agree with most of what people have said in this thread. =D I'm glad brook is joining, I don't know why people think it's too much… Luffy wanted to have 10 people BEFORE he entered the GL...D: If my memory serves me right.
I also got so caught up in Thriller Bark that I forgot they were going to fishman island. XD
About Kureha, she said no...and Luffy wasn't exactly super determined to have her join...(and in case someone brings up anything about the others saying no, Luffy found a way to persuade them =D)
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the people who said Brook will not join because he will directly go back to Laboon have to explain someting to me : how will he do that? unless he suddenly and miraculously
find an EP to reverse mountain he only have 2 solution :
1 he follow Luffy to the end of GL
2 he cross the calm belt and then pass reverse mountain againand I also believe a squeleton will have trouble if he travel alone.
and please, he is NOT a swordman. he is a musician who use a sword to fight.
with the logic "he use a sword = he is a swordman", we have Luffy, Robin, Chopper : DF users… my god, Robin and Chopper must leave the crew immediatly ! !
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This whole "Brooke's not a swordsman he just uses a sword" crap if kind of silly. He's used special, named techniques with a sword, and is currently in a duel where he's using a sword. I'm pretty sure he considers himself a swordsman, maybe not as his primary occupation (like Zoro), but he's still a swordsman. Not saying this means he can't join.
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I agree with Mr. All Sunday. I think Brooke can definitely be called a swordsman. And I also think that it definitely doesn't eliminate the possibility of Brooke joining; like others have said his style is different than Zoro's and if his dream isn't becoming a world's greatest swordsman I don't see any obstacle for him to be new nakama.
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he is more like a regular pirate except the fact that he is a skeleton with an afro and a DF (and i'm sure that this DF gives to Brook not only the power to ressurect)
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Considering that it's the revival fruit, I somehow doubt he's going to have any other Devil Fruit based abilities.
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Jigoro is definitely stronger than ryuuma,because jigoro has zoro's shadow.Zoro is more experienced in sword fighting because he's always train himself while brook spend his time playing violin than practicing his sword skill
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the people who said Brook will not join because he will directly go back to Laboon have to explain someting to me : how will he do that? unless he suddenly and miraculously
find an EP to reverse mountain he only have 2 solution :
1 he follow Luffy to the end of GL
2 he cross the calm belt and then pass reverse mountain againWell, the Strawhats should still have the eternalport to Alabasta, and a quick letter to Vivi would definitely help him get back there…
But since he did promise to circle the world before coming back, I think that's a moot point.
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@bunshindattebayo:
Jigoro is definitely stronger than ryuuma,because jigoro has zoro's shadow.Zoro is more experienced in sword fighting because he's always train himself while brook spend his time playing violin than practicing his sword skill
The equation that brook gave us for zombie power is the Shadow of the person and the Body of the Zombie itself.
Brook is a Skilled swords man , his shadow is then combined with a legendary swords man, so the result is a very strong zombie.
Zoro is a great swords man, his shadow was put in a 59 year old man who killed a good deal of pirates. Its hard to say what the power is.
Alot of Zoro's skill comes from the body training that he does. We don't know if the effects of his training will actually go to Jigoro. So I'd say its too soon to call.
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