Anyway, i predict Heraclesn was one of Gold D. Rogers crew mates.
I actually think TiT is going insane with people saying "perona won't join" that he has actually deluded himself of all sense and is just saying anything to make it seem like perona will join. Whether its bullshit or editing its all the deluded sense. She took them out but by physical strength? Nope not at all.