This might be a pretty far fetched theory but here goes. During the shichibukai meeting in Mariejois Doflamingo and Kuma arrived at the same time on the same ship. Kuma also has a lower bounty than Luffy so maybe Luffy has already surpassed Kuma in strenth. So what if Doflamingo has made some kind of alliance with Kuma and that Kuma supports the "new era". This means that the strawhats will have to face two shichibukai at the same time. Luffy will have to fight Doflamingo and Someone else will have to face Kuma.
Doflamingo and Kuma
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I have a shichibukai discussion. This is going to get locked, since it is a bit un-needed. Also, dude, the bounties were frozen a long time ago… And bounties don't mean anything with power.
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I know about the shichibukai discussion you made but it seems it was closed a while ago so i couldn´t post this over there.
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Regardless if this get's closed, I just want to point something out.
Kuma also has a lower bounty than Luffy so maybe Luffy has already surpassed Kuma in strenth.
Bounty doesn't equal stregnth. Nico has a higher bounty than Franky and Sanji.
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Nico should have a higher bounty then dofalmingo but lets not start a VS thread.
Kuma also has a lower bounty than Luffy so maybe Luffy has already surpassed Kuma in strenth.
keyword beeing "maybe" Hitotsumami
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I said that Luffy has MAYBE surpassed Kuma although we can´t certainly be sure.
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First of all, going from the initial idea of this thread there is not need to lock it because it isn´t intended to be World Powers strenght level discussion but simply a theory about if two certain characters belong together.
That said, I always interpreted the same way as samurai that Doflamingo and Kuma are a team. Other then the fact that they appeared together at the same time (which really doesn´t have to mean much) there´s nothing that indicates it but with the little info we have about them it also isn´t enough to mean the opposite.
And since Doflamingo tries to launch a new era of great heroes and stuff I don´t think that a guy like Kuma, who seems to be the religious type (not only because of his bible but also because of his line after Sengoku´s insult) would be misplaced here. We can´t draw any conclusions on neither Doflamingos nor Kumas motives from what we´ve seen but we can make (baseless) assumptions. And mine would be that if they work together, Kuma would be to Doflamingo what Nico Robin was to Crocodile. That´s pretty much it.
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First of all bounties don't equal power, they equal your threat to the government. But even if they did,Kuma's bounty is frozen and we don't know how long it has been frozen for. So saying luffy is stronger because his bounty is higher is rather baseless.
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It doesnt say anywhere that bounties equal power.
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I going to shotty that Kuma is a zoan. There has to be at least one zoan in the shichibukai. There just has to. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's a bear zoan. A bear zoan would be nerfing tank.
I could be wrong, though. He may just have the holy equivalent of Zoro's demon ki. Or it'd be better if it were both.
"Smite thee with my divine bear claw of wrath and justice!"
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i'm going to have to go with luffy is stronger or will find a awy to win. If this doesn't happen, the stroy line will end due to his loss or somethimg like what happened with akoji will take place again.
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The strength of an individual is considered the most lethal attribute to the WG, as well as the crime committed.
Most of the time, a bounty is based on strength and always crime. Even Oda thinks like that, for example when Robin said that Moria's bounty is even higher than Luffy's. Oda wanted us to think "OMFG! Moria is teh superior!!!"…
So most of the time, bounty usually represents the strength of an individual. It's Oda's power level - but not directly strength all the time.
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Funny how every thread involving the Shichibukai becomes a strenght level crapfest even when the original idea was about something totally different.
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Its just because people dont read the OP and feel the need to point out how they interperate what bounties stand for because while there are many interperations it can only be one.
And they completly fail to read and understand the OP…
he said "MAY" peoeple! that there is a possibility that Luffy has surpassed Kuma. The likelyhood of someone haveing surpassed a person with Frozen bounty (even if bounty does not directly relate to strenght) is much higher if the Frozen bounty is lower then that persons current bounty then if it is higher.
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Some how I feel half of you are aiming this at me
So he said "may"…. he still thinks there is a possibilty that the bounty is reflecting strength. I'm just telling him it means threat to the WG and threat can be anything from strength to knowledge.
@$abz
Long time no see, did you watch the final? I told ya they'd win
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I think that Kuma is gonna just be used to make another person seem reallly powerful. Maybe Blackbeard or a Yonkou will defeat him now.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@ultimateclima:
I think that Kuma is gonna just be used to make another person seem reallly powerful. Maybe Blackbeard or a Yonkou will defeat him now.
Really? because I was thinking the same thing with DoFlamingo.
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Anyhow, Luffy will never have to fight every shichibukai one after another, in increasing order of bounties ! Why wouldn't he be already stronger than most of them ?
Even Moria doesn't seem powerfull, his bounty was probably linked to his DF power and the way he used it as a pirate (probably already to build strong crews). -
in my opinion Flamingo and Kuma aren't a team…
Flamingo for me is simply a stronger (more and more) version of Bellamy = a crazy idiot...
Kuma is a misterious character...
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in my opinion Flamingo and Kuma aren't a team…
Flamingo for me is simply a stronger (more and more) version of Bellamy = a crazy idiot...
Kuma is a misterious character...
And with that you are the hero of my day. I may not agree with you neither on Doflamingos and Kumas relationship nor on Doflamingo being a far stronger version of Bellamy (which is ok because it´s all about personal opinions) but you actually replied to what the thread is about. Respect!
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I actually like the thought of a pair working togeather. it would make it harder to beat them and emphazize team work between the two who are opposing them. the teamwork would lead to stronger bonds and a more powerful crew. the idea of two powerful shichibukai working togeather instead of all loners would add a twist to the plot. it could also give a way of how they met and where their friendship lies. this could turn into a "honor among pirates" senario where the bonds of them are strong, unlike most opponents the strawhats have faced.
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It doesnt say anywhere that bounties equal power.
The way that the translation was phrased at least, Aokiji seemed to imply that the major factor of bounties is power, or at very least it's of equal level to the threat factor.
But given the fact that their bounties are frozen, their strength level wouldn't necessarily be below Luffy's, as I'm sure most of it is threat level due to attacking Eneis Lobby, a direct attack to the World Government. And either Kuma or Doflamingo may possess an ability effective in dealing with him, and another major factor is, Luffy doesn't have to fight every Shichibukai, he has a crew.
Though I'd say an alliance is possible, but not extremely likely. I don't think the Strawhats are necessarily going to encounter every Shichibukai. The only connection established so far (as far as I know) is that they both showed up at the Shichibukai meeting at the intended time.
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I dont really think Kuma and DoFlamingo are connected in any way than being both shichibukai.
I mean, did you notice how surprised the WG was when realized that 2 shichibukai had answered the call? If kuma/doflamingo were a team, there would be no reason to surprise.
Even more than that, I think 2 strong people together being shishibukai would be very strange. In my mind they are 7 "strong points" of the Grand Line, holding pirates each one at a place and thus making them a major power to be feared. If 2 always worked together, this point would be missed.
And, except by that meeting in the HeadQuarters, we didn't see doflamingo and kuma together. Next time we see doflamingo and bellamy, there's no sign of Kuma.
My latest point is: Kuma has absolutely NO trace of similar personality with DoFlamingo, and that would make them a pretty strange team.
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If we go with their personalities, they seem to clash. B. Bear is fairly quiet and observant, while Doflamingo is loud, obnoxious, envious of others, and overall a show-off. Though they're both Shichibukai, I don't think their relationship goes beyond that.
Besides, we don't know enough about B. Bear to pass a judgment yet, but his behavior seems clashing with Doflamingo's, just based on the meeting.
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It's very curious. At first glance, it would seem like they would be a team of sorts seeing as how they arrived at the same time. Of course they knew of the meeting and that is why they came but it seems like this would be more than a coincidence that two of the Shichibukai that travel the worlds seas would show up at the exact same time. If they actually do work together that would advantages in several obvious ways and it would pretty interseting.
As noted before, the personalities seem to be the opposite. This might be perfect so if Doflamingo gets too excited doing something or goes crazy, Kuma could give him advice on stuff. Hmm…that sounds a bit like Napa and Vegeta. Well, anyway, they could balance each other out.
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So clashing personalities now means that they can't be friends.
I'm so glad I read these forums every second of the day to expand my facilities of logic and knowledge to new bounds.
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So clashing personalities now means that they can't be friends.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that while it's possible they get along, it's unlikely that they work together. A lot of people (including myself) have friends who have clashing personalities, but not a lot of people go into formal business with someone who has vastly different personality traits.
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@Fire Fist:
If we go with their personalities, they seem to clash. B. Bear is fairly quiet and observant, while Doflamingo is loud, obnoxious, envious of others, and overall a show-off. Though they're both Shichibukai, I don't think their relationship goes beyond that.
Besides, we don't know enough about B. Bear to pass a judgment yet, but his behavior seems clashing with Doflamingo's, just based on the meeting.
I agree with this. They just don't seem like the best fit to me.
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@Fire Fist:
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that while it's possible they get along, it's unlikely that they work together. A lot of people (including myself) have friends who have clashing personalities, but not a lot of people go into formal business with someone who has vastly different personality traits.
I can see them going into business by power. Each one is strong and the other knows it. If they are in the 'business' that one would think they would be in, having a powerful ally by your side would make it easier to 'gain' riches and in larger quantities. like when major firms merge or a partnership propriety is made, they merge because they believe they can make more money than while they are alone.
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I can see them going into business by power. Each one is strong and the other knows it. If they are in the 'business' that one would think they would be in, having a powerful ally by your side would make it easier to 'gain' riches and in larger quantities. like when major firms merge or a partnership propriety is made, they merge because they believe they can make more money than while they are alone.
You're absolutely right on this… in real life. In the One Piece world, powerful people tend to be blind to the idea of working with other powerhouses, and instead try to recruit less powerful people to overpower the others. Cooperation isn't something they're overly fond of, especially if their general goal is the same.
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@Fire Fist:
You're absolutely right on this… in real life. In the One Piece world, powerful people tend to be blind to the idea of working with other powerhouses, and instead try to recruit less powerful people to overpower the others. Cooperation isn't something they're overly fond of, especially if their general goal is the same.
Thank you, Oda. Anything else you wish to say now that I got you talking?
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Doflamingo and Kuma might have an alliance with each other because of the shichibukai meeting in Mariejois and also that Kuma might be a conservative religious person and probably believes the same ideas that Donflamingo believes in.
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What are you saying?!
DoFlaming seems to be a extremely pessimistic/ironic and envious guy, and if he believes the same things as Bellamy (and we have the right to suppose that way), he hate "People's Dreams". For him, this is just bullshit. The stronger is the right. The "new era".
I cant see ANY religious person agreeing with such a devilish view of the world. Even if they are against pirates… they won't be against dreams. They won't claim that "the stronger is right". They are (well, we expect to) spiritual, devoted and obedient to "God".
See why they can't match?
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Kuma beeing a pirate kinda alignes him with the "might makes right" mentality imo.
Also are we sure that Kuma is religious? all i'v seen is him carrying a book we suppose is the bible.. we dont even know if its real or not. Could be that its a hollowed out one and hes hiding something in it? Or perthaps he's just a bastard that carry what he considers an emergency supply of toiletpaper =P
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We're assuming this because the book said bible on the front, and he was reading it before the meeting started.
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Kuma beeing a pirate kinda alignes him with the "might makes right" mentality imo.
Also are we sure that Kuma is religious? all i'v seen is him carrying a book we suppose is the bible.. we dont even know if its real or not. Could be that its a hollowed out one and hes hiding something in it? Or perthaps he's just a bastard that carry what he considers an emergency supply of toiletpaper =P
Point is, we dont know if he was religious when he was a pirate, or if he "got converted" and became a Shichibukai exaclty for that reason… to think that, in the end, what he did was wrong, and Piracy is a "bad" thing.
That's my vote for his past, or something alike.
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i thought the shichibukais were still pirates? if he thought pirates were bad and had a change of heart he could just as well have joined the marines right? then he would get payed for busting up pirates instead of haveing to pay the WG…
ofc we dont know how a fictional character thinks so it could very well be so that he is a reformed pirate as you say.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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I've got this feeling in my gut that Doflamingo, Kuma, Jimbei and the still not introduced Shichibukai will team up against the Straw Hat crew in an upcoming arc. By the orders of the World Government or something.
I dunno, I can be wrong.
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The strong Shichibukai are more interested in their war against the Yonkou than a simple 17 years old boy and his crew.
Crocodile was the less poweful of them and this is the reason why the others are uninterested, for them Croc was a weakling and Moria will become another one at their eyes when he will lose against Luffy.
In other words, Strawhats have an excelent opportunity to strike into the new world, no one of the big players with the exception of the world goverment are taking them seriously. Why? They never suffered an attack from Luffy crew.
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Good point, Urian. I like it.
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I have seen no evidence of this war Urian is talking about.
-Crocodile as mentioned wasnt at all trying to upstage the yonkou.
-Mihawk doesnt seem to care either way he is playing his own game killing low bounty pirates that think they can manage in the grand line.
-Moria's ultimate goal is to take (personal) revenge on this Kaidou(sp?) person regardless if hes a yonkou or not because of the trouble he caused him.
-Doflamingo only came to the meeting with the marines because he was boored and his pirateing/raiding was going so well he didnt need to oversee it. To me that doesnt seem like a person engaged in war with an equal or stronger force.
-Dont rember jack about KumaPersonally i think they in addition to whatever it is they do take care of lesser pirates so that the Marines doesnt have to spread their forces so thinn.
also someone takeing down EL and getting a 300 bounty will still be considered by most shichibukai as a potential target imo.
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This might be a pretty far fetched theory but here goes. During the shichibukai meeting in Mariejois Doflamingo and Kuma arrived at the same time on the same ship. Kuma also has a lower bounty than Luffy so maybe Luffy has already surpassed Kuma in strenth. So what if Doflamingo has made some kind of alliance with Kuma and that Kuma supports the "new era". This means that the strawhats will have to face two shichibukai at the same time. Luffy will have to fight Doflamingo and Someone else will have to face Kuma.
Kuma could be stronger then Doflomango he could have became a shikibuki before doflomango joined giving doflomango more time to get a bigger bountie.
I also agree with the guy on the first page that said Kuma could be a Bear zoan.Maybe if Kuma joined forces with Doflomango Luffy can battle Sanji can battle Do flomango and Ussop can battle Kuma. -
Maybe if Kuma joined forces with Doflomango Luffy can battle Sanji can battle Do flomango and Ussop can battle Kuma.
¿Que?
Are you saying Doflamingo will make Luffy battle Sanji while Sanji is battling Doflamingo?
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¿Que?
Are you saying Doflamingo will make Luffy battle Sanji while Sanji is battling Doflamingo?
I think it was just bad grammar of Luffy will fight Doflamingo while Sanji fights Kuma.
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then he would get payed for busting up pirates instead of haveing to pay the WG…
Its like saying that if Ganhdi was religious and against bloodshed he should go on and become a member of the indian colonial government and get payed for avoiding blooshed.
im sorry i dont know enough about the indian colonial goverment to get your point?…
was Ganhdi shareing political views with the colonial goverment? (could have sworn that Ganhdi was fighting Brittain opressors with his nonviolence politics)
are you even argueing with me btw? or just trying to clearify something?
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^^^ Hey im idian I can under stand him.
What i meant was Doflomango could use Sanji to battle Luffy while luffy is trying to be Do.Since he controlls people like puppets.
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No matter how strong they look, when they start talkin shit about how badass they are they are beat in a shameless way
cougharlongcough
With that point in, is obvious that Kuma is going to be more badass that Doflamingo.
The exact moment I saw Do naggin at Bellamy (BELLAMY!), that became as clear as water
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Why do people assume that all the Shichibukai have to be taken out? The only ones I see that have to be beaten are Jimbei, maybe Doflamingo, Gecko Moria (duh). And that Doflamingo w/ Sanji vs. Luffy and Usopp vs. Kuma just sounds too farfetched, disgustingly plotted and hashed together in a few minutes.
