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    • oceanizer
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      According to Japan's Association of Copyright for Computer Software, the Kyoto Prefectural Police's High-Tech Crime Task Force and other cooperating authorities arrested three male suspects in Tokyo, Morioka, and Osaka, and searched their homes on May 18 for unauthorized file-sharing of manga. The suspects allegedly scanned and uploaded images of Weekly Shonen Jump and Weekly Shonen Sunday manga magazines on the Winny peer-to-peer file-sharing network.

      Read more here.

      Just wanted to get you guys' attention. This is where we always get the raws from, and I don't know how much it will affect us, but whoever upload/download the raw should be careful.

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        Reminds me of that April Fools joke, only more serious…..I blame that Omae guy...

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          These arrestings have been going on for a while, but this time it seems like they've gotten the big ones.

          the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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            Huh. Wonder how much of an impact it will have.

            Originally Posted by Cap'n Carter

            Good thing that everytime I'm afraid I'll have the will to live I can browse Arlong Park have it utterly eliminated

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              those folks are unsung heroes in my eyes

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                I believe this was the flaw in their plan :

                The Winny peer-to-peer file-sharing software was developed on Microsoft Windows in 2002 by a then anonymous computer engineering student. The software promised anonymity for its users,…

                Promised by Microsoft...

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                  It says developed on not by. :wassat:

                  Originally Posted by Cap'n Carter

                  Good thing that everytime I'm afraid I'll have the will to live I can browse Arlong Park have it utterly eliminated

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                    -__-; but yeah, that was what I thought at first, lol.

                    These arrestings have been going on for a while, but this time it seems like they've gotten the big ones.
                    If it's limited to manga raws, police's involvement is actually only the second time. First time was couple of years ago who scanned, upload, and actually took money from their users.

                    Once it was mentioned in magazines in Japan about this activity, but none of manga publisher took action back then.

                    This time, though, they were doing for free, much like whoever uploads the raws here, or any other English manga-fan forums and likes. Since we are much more trackable (cause we log every single IP addresses here, and most of us upload to our own space), we should be much more careful.

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                      So when will the new chapter come out? ;)

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                        Damn, I hope they get out soon, they don't deserve that. Even more so cause they aren't making money off of it.

                        I hope this doesn't cripple getting One Piece each week.

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                          Winny is insecure as hell. I'm amazed that people still actually used it.

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                            rofl at these guys being hailed as unfairly prosecuted heroes. "This is like the holocaust, only worse and with comic books!"

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                              Soon all true fans of comics will be persecuted, and forced with wear badges

                              and then board the next train for Super-Auschwitz

                              the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                @Cap'n:

                                Soon all true fans of comics will be persecuted, and forced with wear badges

                                and then board the next train for Super-Auschwitz

                                Shit dude, shit!

                                I heard they brought back

                                too!

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                                  guys dont even joke, i am scared

                                  i bet 1gig=1 year in the pen

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                                    the pigs are at my house rite now shut down the forum quick

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                                      @KatanaJon1.1:

                                      the pigs are at my house rite now shut down the forum quick

                                      It shall be…....NOT done.

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                                        It'll probably be the same thing with Napster… at the end of this all, they'll make a manga file-sharing server that will be a legitimate business: 12.95 a month for unlimited manga downloads.

                                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                          @Cap'n:

                                          Soon all true fans of comics will be persecuted, and forced with wear badges

                                          and then board the next train for Super-Auschwitz

                                          (Comes back from inactivenes)

                                          Do I get to be in the Avengers?

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                                            Being pirates, they had to accept the risks.

                                            Yay pirates~😆

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                                              @Fire Fist:

                                              It'll probably be the same thing with Napster… at the end of this all, they'll make a manga file-sharing server that will be a legitimate business: 12.95 a month for unlimited manga downloads.

                                              That would actually be kind of nice.

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                                                That would actually be kind of nice.

                                                How would it work tho? I'd imagine if they had Japanese manga above what has been officially released it'll be in Japanese, so if someone downloads it and then scanlates it and put it out…it'll be illegal again.

                                                And I doubt many scanlators would be able to scanlate it and put it up for service, or many would even want to.

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                                                  @Cap'n:

                                                  Soon all true fans of comics will be persecuted, and forced with wear badges

                                                  and then board the next train for Super-Auschwitz

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                                                    @Fire Fist:

                                                    It'll probably be the same thing with Napster… at the end of this all, they'll make a manga file-sharing server that will be a legitimate business: 12.95 a month for unlimited manga downloads.

                                                    One problem with things like 'New Napster' is that they tend to ignore what made the origjnal work so well: the decentralized nature means it scales up VERY easily and cheaply, and the offerings will reflect the tastes of the actual customers. And they can't have decentralized without giving up some control.

                                                    Can you imagine if everyone hit a single site offering the new issue at the same time? They'd need ten times the infrastructure, one day a week.

                                                    On the subject though, an ad-supported online reading system would probably work well (maybe using a custom applet to make "scraping" more difficult and to manage the distribution network to shift the load, maybe embedding advertisements in blank portions of pages or in margins)

                                                    The math would be interesting. If a typical user reads even five out of the 20 or so Jump series a week, that's at least 100 impressions per user per week, plus any extras they want to read (or back chapters, or re-reading).

                                                    As of 2005, per http://www.comipress.com/article/2007/05/06/1923, WSJ has a circulation in the range of 3 million copies.

                                                    Also add foreigners who wouldn't buy Jump directly at "210 yen plus +$10 postage", and recapturing people who'd buy used copies or skip issues when they can't get or afford them new.

                                                    We're talking tens of millions of pageviews per week, if even one in thirty WSJ buyers goes to the online option. While that's not a lot compared to the absolute biggest sites on the web (MySpace boasts just over 10 BILLION pageviews a week), remember that this IS a niche product (I could actually see it being tailor-made for keyword advertising)

                                                    A pay-to-read system would almost certainly have issues with international purchases, and it will be hard to sell, because for under $9 per month (5 issues @ 210 yen each = ~$8.60), people in Japan can get a physical copy of Jump each week that they can read in the bathroom, burn the Naruto chapter, and tape the colourspreads to their walls. You couldn't price an online service low enough to be a real winner against that, and still cover expenses directly.

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                                                      @Buuhan1:

                                                      And I doubt many scanlators would be able to scanlate it and put it up for service, or many would even want to.

                                                      Majority of scanlators buy their own copy, debind them, and scan them. Except all those newer cheap scanlators :/

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                                                        Let them track me, I'll show them my tankobans and a bucket full of irony.

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                                                          @oceanizer:

                                                          Majority of scanlators buy their own copy, debind them, and scan them. Except all those newer cheap scanlators :/

                                                          I know that, what I meant was if this was deemed really illegal and the only way for it not to be and not be arrested would be this "new napster" method, how would scanlators put their work out without being threatened with jail? I'd imagine it wouldn't be that easy to get their scanlating into this "new napster" plan, or even if they'd want to go through doing it.

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                                                            Damn! Viploader was shut down. They ain't messin'! Makes sense though, since that's where a large majority of Jump & especially Sunday stuff is initially uploaded to, not Winny & or Share.

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                                                              Fortunately I have armed myself with several millions of bladed cardboard tubes and a pipe I stole out of my school's D&T class incase they want to invade mah limewires.

                                                              GET THE FUCK BACK BITCHES

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                                                                @Zephos:

                                                                Let them track me, I'll show them my tankobans and a bucket full of irony.

                                                                Copyright infringement doesn't work that way. You're not paying for the content of something but the medium to read it through - the content is licensed provisionally on the condition you access the content through that medium.

                                                                That's why it's illegal to burn DVDs, extract episodes or dissect Jump comics - you're seperating the content from the authorized medium, effectively no different from "reverse engineering" software or taking apart patented machinery (which is illegal too).

                                                                Even if what you scan is for your own use, it's still illegal because the manga publisher didn't grant you permission to read the content through the dummy medium.

                                                                MUV-LUV ALTERNATIVE

                                                                Making Anime and Manga OBSOLETE since 2006

                                                                PM me for details

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                                                                  @Malintex_Terek:

                                                                  That's why it's illegal to burn DVDs, extract episodes or dissect Jump comics - you're seperating the content from the authorized medium, effectively no different from "reverse engineering" software or taking apart patented machinery (which is illegal too).

                                                                  Even if what you scan is for your own use, it's still illegal because the manga publisher didn't grant you permission to read the content through the dummy medium.

                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._v._Universal_City_Studios

                                                                  vegetarian luffy

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                                                                    As long as something has to be paid for, there'll always be a few people willing to make it free, and about ten-thousand willing to download it. This is kind of a futile effort, because the next guys to do it will learn to be more careful.

                                                                    Besides, i figure if Shueisha's still making money off thier products (or other manga publishers for that matter), which they are 'cause i really doubt there's that many people gaining access to these pirated comics, they don't have all that much of a reason to complain.

                                                                    Furthermore, i think this is kind of justified for foreign countries, 'cause i know the Viz official translation won't get to this end of One Piece for the better part of a decade, unless they really get their shit in gear and crank out translated tankobons on a monthly basis until it's fallen in step with the Japanese releases.

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                                                                      whoa scary.
                                                                      hope nothing happens to them anymore .

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                                                                        @Neo:

                                                                        Furthermore, i think this is kind of justified for foreign countries, 'cause i know the Viz official translation won't get to this end of One Piece for the better part of a decade, unless they really get their shit in gear and crank out translated tankobons on a monthly basis until it's fallen in step with the Japanese releases.

                                                                        I've been saying that about foreign media for quite a long time. In many places, it's just next to impossible to acquire foreign media without having to get it shipped (which costs quite a bit most of the time) either directly from that country or an overseas distributor. So it's a bit of a punishment, because if you want foreign goods, you have to pay extra. Not only this, but you have to get someone to translate it for you or know the language in the first place or you've basically got a pretty picture book or what might as well be a silent film.

                                                                        The only other legal option you have is also a huge kick in the balls, which is waiting for the release in your own country, which can take months, years, or hell, it might not ever even happen.

                                                                        Unfortunately, the legal system is unsympathetic to this situation which is why we have media piracy in the first place. :B

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                                                                          Whoa, it´s Tuesday and there´s no spoilers yet. Is it because of the arrested guys?

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                                                                            Ivotas, that's enough…

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                                                                              Wow, with all the shit that´s going on here I get scolded for that. Good job. Might aswell ban me directly. Sheesh

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                                                                                oh, Ivotas.
                                                                                We expected better from you. Everyone knows you don't read spoilers.

                                                                                For shame.

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                                                                                  You don´t need to read them to see whether they are out or not. 😉

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                                                                                    Ivotas the Dragon.

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                                                                                      Reminds me of that April Fools joke, only more serious…..I blame that Omae guy...

                                                                                      Excuse me?

                                                                                      16 questions

                                                                                      No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                        God, I had no idea that this was where we were getting our spoilers from. =_=;

                                                                                        I'm kind of glad this happened, we shouldn't be getting them before the chapter comes out in Japan anyway. I don't mind waiting a few extra days now, if I didn't have to, it'd probably weigh on my conscience… x_x;;

                                                                                        I'm a lurker. I don't really post much. So… I'm not really sure what to put as my signature.

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                                                                                          @Kaze:

                                                                                          God, I had no idea that this was where we were getting our spoilers from. =_=;

                                                                                          I'm kind of glad this happened, we shouldn't be getting them before the chapter comes out in Japan anyway. I don't mind waiting a few extra days now, if I didn't have to, it'd probably weigh on my conscience… x_x;;

                                                                                          Your conscience fails.

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                                                                                            @Neo:

                                                                                            Furthermore, i think this is kind of justified for foreign countries, 'cause i know the Viz official translation won't get to this end of One Piece for the better part of a decade, unless they really get their shit in gear and crank out translated tankobons on a monthly basis until it's fallen in step with the Japanese releases.

                                                                                            I don't see why they shouldn't (As you put it) "get their shit in gear". Especially since Viz has announced that they're planning to release another manga series (One featuring a certain ramen obessed, rather annoying, orange jumpsuit wearing ninja) on a three volume per month rate in order to catch up to the second part of it. Even though there are less volumes of it currently out in Japan.

                                                                                            If they have the manpower to increase their speed of realeses by 900% for one series why the hell not spread that manpower over many series'?!

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                                                                                              Because nobody would buy it :silly:

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                                                                                                ….me want to stretch...

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